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Post by oyabun on Jul 8, 2018 23:31:29 GMT
For me Sirgun Nhataniel Varric Cassandra Leliana Wynne Shale Dog Oghren Maybe others I can"t remember now.
Generally for me the people that seems more "normal", by normal I mean that don't help you just to fulfill their own dubious goals,but just because they understand helping you is beneficial for nations and countries.
So people like Solas,Isabela,Morrigan,Anders,ecc... are not my cup of tea.Solas and Isabela I save just because of their dialogues and writing,the rest I'm happy to never recruit.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 8, 2018 23:37:48 GMT
No problem with Aveline? She prevents Carver joining to the guards... not only didn't help him, actively prevented it. Not if you play with Bethany.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 9, 2018 8:10:42 GMT
The point is nobody's perfect in Hawke's gang – nor even Aveline. I don't think anyone would suggest Averline is perfect. Nor do you expect your friends to be perfect generally. No one is. But I never denied that Hawke can trust her. She's honest and stands by Hawke even against the law This is the important part of being a friend. Whilst I think she disagrees with Hawke helping the mages she still stands by them, even if they spare Anders, which she definitely is not happy about. Funnily enough, whilst she tells Anders that he will turn himself in when the current crisis is averted, it would seem that ultimately she allows Hawke's decision to stand.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 9, 2018 9:37:39 GMT
The point is nobody's perfect in Hawke's gang – nor even Aveline. I don't think anyone would suggest Averline is perfect. Nor do you expect your friends to be perfect generally. No one is. But I never denied that Hawke can trust her. She's honest and stands by Hawke even against the law This is the important part of being a friend. Whilst I think she disagrees with Hawke helping the mages she still stands by them, even if they spare Anders, which she definitely is not happy about. Funnily enough, whilst she tells Anders that he will turn himself in when the current crisis is averted, it would seem that ultimately she allows Hawke's decision to stand. You misunderstood me. I adressed it that to Hanako, who said, Varric is NOT a good friend, because just selfish and betrayed Hawke and the Inquisitor and the Inquisition (everyone, who contacted with him...). While Aveline the best friend ever. It just was an example, that Varric just as good friend as Aveline, no one of them better or worse. I just was curious, why so judgemental in Varric's case, and sees Aveline as a perfect friend.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 9, 2018 12:54:20 GMT
It's not about the distance of Hawke. This would be Carver's way – so he would step out Hawke's shadow if become a guard – and would be able to prove himself. He doesn't hate Hawke, only wants to be his own. And even if this is true – it's not an excuse for Aveline. She was not even guar captain, just a guard in the Act1, when she prevented Carver's joining. The point is nobody's perfect in Hawke's gang – nor even Aveline. She does her best, but still, she has flaws: the elven case, for example... (Arishok scene), and in the Deep Road, she doesn't want to help to Nathaniel's crew in Deep roads (to protect fools from their own stupidity), etc. And has some interesting views – she blames Hawke and the mages for her weakness in the Fade... But I never denied that Hawke can trust her. She's honest and stands by Hawke even against the law. Oh I love all the DA2 companions, flaws and all. I'm just not sure Aveline wasn't incorrect about how Carver might be as a guard. Because even if it allowed him to step out of Hawke's shadow, he'd still have Aveline hovering over him. Carver always seems happiest as a warden, and I think the fact that he's not in Kirkwall is a big part of that. I mean, I know my relationship with my parents improved vastly after I moved out. Does he mind Meredith hovering over him?
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Post by copper on Jul 9, 2018 13:51:07 GMT
Oh I love all the DA2 companions, flaws and all. I'm just not sure Aveline wasn't incorrect about how Carver might be as a guard. Because even if it allowed him to step out of Hawke's shadow, he'd still have Aveline hovering over him. Carver always seems happiest as a warden, and I think the fact that he's not in Kirkwall is a big part of that. I mean, I know my relationship with my parents improved vastly after I moved out. Does he mind Meredith hovering over him? Honestly I've never done a run with Templar Carver, so I can't really comment on that path. But man, having her as a boss would be disturbing though.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Jul 9, 2018 20:57:14 GMT
Varric is the best friend a player character can ever have. Why? Because even if your canon Hawke is like mine, and was Varric's "rival," the dwarf is still scripted to be your closest friend. Heck, even in Inquisition, my Hawke's grudging acceptance of Varric as a "friend" (Varric was everyone else's friend...so you get used to him being around) had him spouting "Look after Varric for me" after Here Lies the Abyss.
In all seriousness, I believe Aveline is the best Dragon Age friend. Whether she respects Hawke and sees eye-to-eye, or has to pummel Hawke into shape, Aveline always has your back. There is no one Hawke can count on more.
P.S. I actually do like Varric. My Inquisitor is a "funny dwarf," so I feel like they have a stronger and better friendship than anything going on with that Hawke person.
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Post by TheEmptyRoad on Jul 10, 2018 6:59:06 GMT
Garrus Vakarian!
Wait...
So, Dragon Age Friends: DAO: Either Oghren or Shale. Everyone else either has an agenda or tries to kill you. DAA: Sigrun, she's pure awesome and should've been AT LEAST flirtable. By the PC. DA2: Varric, Chaotic Good bros 4 life. Also Aveline for the more Lawful Good side of things. DAI: Honestly depends on the character I'm playing; I'd say either Dorian, Sera, or Iron Bull depending.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 10, 2018 16:21:32 GMT
Varric is the best friend a player character can ever have. Why? Because even if your canon Hawke is like mine, and was Varric's "rival," the dwarf is still scripted to be your closest friend. Heck, even in Inquisition, my Hawke's grudging acceptance of Varric as a "friend" (Varric was everyone else's friend...so you get used to him being around) had him spouting "Look after Varric for me" after Here Lies the Abyss. In all seriousness, I believe Aveline is the best Dragon Age friend. Whether she respects Hawke and sees eye-to-eye, or has to pummel Hawke into shape, Aveline always has your back. There is no one Hawke can count on more. P.S. I actually do like Varric. My Inquisitor is a "funny dwarf," so I feel like they have a stronger and better friendship than anything going on with that Hawke person. Unfortunately, Inquisition doesn't really care what you did in DA2!
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Post by Sifr on Jul 11, 2018 23:35:35 GMT
Anyway, for truest friend of each Dragon Age game: DAO: Dog DA2: Aveline DAI: Josephine No problem with Aveline? She prevents Carver joining to the guards... not only didn't help him, actively prevented it. Because she can see that Carver doesn't really want to be a guard, he only wants to belong to something that will validate him and offer him the chance to move out from his sibling's shadow, whether it be the Fereldan army, the Red Iron, the City Guard, the Templars or the Wardens.
As she correctly points out, Carver doesn't follow orders, which makes him a liability. Even his comrades at Ostagar had to drag him kicking and screaming from the field at Ostagar because he refused to retreat, even when it was clear the battle was lost. And throughout Act 1 he demonstrates an insubordinate attitude towards most of the party (especially his elder sibling) and snaps at those who try to offer him friendly advice or guidance.
Carver may have had the skill and training to become a guard, but he lacked the temperament and discipline that was needed.
It's not like being a guard is even the only thing that Carver could be doing, either.
Aveline wasn't exactly wrong that Carver could have attempted to pick up a trade and enter into an apprenticeship instead, if it weren't for his stubborn pride. But the prospect of becoming a merchant, carpenter or tailor isn't glamourous enough for Carver, so he refuses to even entertain the suggestion.
(I suppose Hawke could have picked up a trade as well, rather than bet everything on Bartrand's expedition... but then again, the only way that Hawke could invest in the expedition was to be willing to seek out and take whatever job they could find in Kirkwall, regardless of how mundane/dangerous those jobs were.)
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Post by Catilina on Jul 11, 2018 23:45:35 GMT
No problem with Aveline? She prevents Carver joining to the guards... not only didn't help him, actively prevented it. Because she can see that Carver doesn't really want to be a guard, he only wants to belong to something that will validate him and offer him the chance to move out from his sibling's shadow, whether it be the Fereldan army, the Red Iron, the City Guard, the Templars or the Wardens. As she correctly points out, Carver doesn't follow orders, which makes him a liability. Even his comrades at Ostagar had to drag him kicking and screaming from the field at Ostagar because he refused to retreat, even when it was clear the battle was lost. And throughout Act 1 he demonstrates an insubordinate attitude towards most of the party (especially his elder sibling) and snaps at those who try to offer him friendly advice or guidance.
Carver may have had the skill and training to become a guard, but he lacked the temperament and discipline that was needed.
It's not like being a guard is even the only thing that Carver could be doing, either. Aveline wasn't exactly wrong that Carver could have attempted to pick up a trade and enter into an apprenticeship instead, if it weren't for his stubborn pride. But the prospect of becoming a merchant, carpenter or tailor isn't glamourous enough for Carver, so he refuses to even entertain the suggestion. (I suppose Hawke could have picked up a trade as well, rather than bet everything on Bartrand's expedition... but then again, the only way that Hawke could invest in the expedition was to be willing to seek out and take whatever job they could find in Kirkwall, regardless of how mundane/dangerous those jobs were.) I said: I have a problem only with Aveline actively prevented Carver to be a guard. Not only refused the help, and let the guard captain decide. Let's see the previous points. Hanako said, Varric's a traitor, who never was a friend to Hawke, just a selfish person. Then I asked, why Aveline's better? Both are good, but not one of them's perfect. By the way... Aveline follows the order? Not always... and this is the best in her.
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Post by copper on Jul 12, 2018 0:13:17 GMT
Because she can see that Carver doesn't really want to be a guard, he only wants to belong to something that will validate him and offer him the chance to move out from his sibling's shadow, whether it be the Fereldan army, the Red Iron, the City Guard, the Templars or the Wardens. As she correctly points out, Carver doesn't follow orders, which makes him a liability. Even his comrades at Ostagar had to drag him kicking and screaming from the field at Ostagar because he refused to retreat, even when it was clear the battle was lost. And throughout Act 1 he demonstrates an insubordinate attitude towards most of the party (especially his elder sibling) and snaps at those who try to offer him friendly advice or guidance.
Carver may have had the skill and training to become a guard, but he lacked the temperament and discipline that was needed.
It's not like being a guard is even the only thing that Carver could be doing, either. Aveline wasn't exactly wrong that Carver could have attempted to pick up a trade and enter into an apprenticeship instead, if it weren't for his stubborn pride. But the prospect of becoming a merchant, carpenter or tailor isn't glamourous enough for Carver, so he refuses to even entertain the suggestion. (I suppose Hawke could have picked up a trade as well, rather than bet everything on Bartrand's expedition... but then again, the only way that Hawke could invest in the expedition was to be willing to seek out and take whatever job they could find in Kirkwall, regardless of how mundane/dangerous those jobs were.) I said: I have a problem only with Aveline actively prevented Carver to be a guard. Not only refused the help, and let the guard captain decide. Let's see the previous points. Hanako said, Varric's a traitor, who never was a friend to Hawke, just a selfish person. Then I asked, why Aveline's better? Both are good, but not one of them's perfect. I don't know, a person has a right to give someone a bad job reference. Should Aveline lie if she truly believes Carver would be a bad guard? That could affect her career later on if it turned out she was right. As for why Aveline may be "better", it's just a matter of opinion. As much as I adore Varric, the game really shoves him at you as Hawke's best friend. That can really turn a player off if they don't like the character already. It made me go from being indifferent to Liara in Mass Effect to actually disliking her.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 12, 2018 0:28:25 GMT
I said: I have a problem only with Aveline actively prevented Carver to be a guard. Not only refused the help, and let the guard captain decide. Let's see the previous points. Hanako said, Varric's a traitor, who never was a friend to Hawke, just a selfish person. Then I asked, why Aveline's better? Both are good, but not one of them's perfect. I don't know, a person has a right to give someone a bad job reference. Should Aveline lie if she truly believes Carver would be a bad guard? That could affect her career later on if it turned out she was right. As for why Aveline may be "better", it's just a matter of opinion. As much as I adore Varric, the game really shoves him at you as Hawke's best friend. That can really turn a player off if they don't like the character already. It made me go from being indifferent to Liara in Mass Effect to actually disliking her. They (Aveline herself!) can kick Carver still if he's a bad guard. But why would be? He's an honest, good guy, good, experienced warrior. Just young. Why would affect Aveline's career, if she didn't help him? She wouldn't risk anything if do nothing... Carver was not a bad guy. You can say, Varric is a "forced best friend" (not so different from Aveline...), but not that was the problem. The problem was: Varric a traitor of Hawke, and never was Hawke's friend. Not that he was a forced best friend, or was boring, annoying, but that he's a traitor.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 12, 2018 0:38:52 GMT
I said: I have a problem only with Aveline actively prevented Carver to be a guard. Not only refused the help, and let the guard captain decide. Let's see the previous points. Hanako said, Varric's a traitor, who never was a friend to Hawke, just a selfish person. Then I asked, why Aveline's better? I don't see that as disloyalty, but looking out for Carver's best interests, even if that meant going against his wishes.
Being a guard wouldn't have satisfied Carver's ego or his need to prove himself, he'd either end up being thrown out for insubordination or because his recklessness and refusal to follow orders got someone else hurt or even killed.
I don't think she wants to risk him joining the guard, only to find him dead in an alley at 19, all because he ran off to take down a gang without informing anyone or waiting for backup first. And I especially don't think she wants to be the one to break the news to Leandra that another one of her children has perished before their time. Nor have Hawke blame themselves for failing to protect their last remaining sibling.
Concern over his welfare might be why she suggested finding employment elsewhere, rather than risking going into the Deep Roads. Aveline doesn't even want Hawke to go, as she will comment up reaching 50 Sovereigns that that's enough for the Deep Roads, if that's what they still want?
She's definitely over-protective at times, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. As she says in Act 1 to Hawke;
"After what we went through to get here, I... well, you're no child, but I take care of my friends."
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Post by Catilina on Jul 12, 2018 0:47:35 GMT
I said: I have a problem only with Aveline actively prevented Carver to be a guard. Not only refused the help, and let the guard captain decide. Let's see the previous points. Hanako said, Varric's a traitor, who never was a friend to Hawke, just a selfish person. Then I asked, why Aveline's better? I don't see that as disloyalty, but looking out for Carver's best interests, even if that meant going against his wishes. Being a guard wouldn't have satisfied Carver's ego or his need to prove himself, he'd either end up being thrown out for insubordination or because his recklessness and refusal to follow orders got someone else hurt or even killed.
I don't think she wants to risk him joining the guard, only to find him dead in an alley at 19, all because he ran off to take down a gang without informing anyone or waiting for backup first. And I especially don't think she wants to be the one to break the news to Leandra that another one of her children has perished before their time. Nor have Hawke blame themselves for failing to protect their last remaining sibling.
Concern over his welfare might be why she suggested finding employment elsewhere, rather than risking going into the Deep Roads. Aveline doesn't even want Hawke to go, as she will comment up reaching 50 Sovereigns that that's enough for the Deep Roads, if that's what they still want? She's definitely over-protective at times, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. As she says in Act 1 to Hawke;
"After what we went through to get here, I... well, you're no child, but I take care of my friends."
It's a good point – but Carver would hate!
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Post by copper on Jul 12, 2018 1:17:23 GMT
I don't know, a person has a right to give someone a bad job reference. Should Aveline lie if she truly believes Carver would be a bad guard? That could affect her career later on if it turned out she was right.
As for why Aveline may be "better", it's just a matter of opinion. As much as I adore Varric, the game really shoves him at you as Hawke's best friend. That can really turn a player off if they don't like the character already. It made me go from being indifferent to Liara in Mass Effect to actually disliking her. They (Aveline herself!) can kick Carver still if he's a bad guard. But why would be? He's an honest, good guy, good, experienced warrior. Just young. Why would affect Aveline's career, if she didn't help him? She wouldn't risk anything if do nothing... Carver was not a bad guy. You can say, Varric is a "forced best friend" (not so different from Aveline...), but not that was the problem. The problem was: Varric a traitor of Hawke, and never was Hawke's friend. Not that he was a forced best friend, or was boring, annoying, but that he's a traitor. I think Sifr gave a pretty good explanation for why Carver could be a bad guard so I won't say anything else on that point. But for how the job reference could hurt Aveline's career... if Carver sucked as a guard and got fired, Aveline's supervisors would remember that she endorsed him. That could prevent Aveline from advancing further in the ranks. Though I always assumed that Aveline was asked about Carver since she knows him, not that she butted in the hiring process to give Carver a bad reference out of nowhere, in which case I'd agree with you that doing nothing wouldn't affect Aveline's career in the slightest. For the Varric thing I wasn't paying attention to the details of that conversation. That one's on me.
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Post by phoray on Jul 12, 2018 3:48:02 GMT
. Carver is a great Grey Warden and doesn't put himself above others. Seems Aveline a terrible in judging people. HAHA XD burn Tomwise (the poison seller in Darktown) if you click on him in Act 3, even says that Meredith is just waiting to throw them into the Gallows NEAT! and I even had a pt where I made a habit of clicking on all the people just to get tidbits like this, but I guess I didn't apply it to darktown.
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Post by opuspace on Jul 12, 2018 3:57:16 GMT
I said: I have a problem only with Aveline actively prevented Carver to be a guard. Not only refused the help, and let the guard captain decide. Let's see the previous points. Hanako said, Varric's a traitor, who never was a friend to Hawke, just a selfish person. Then I asked, why Aveline's better? I don't see that as disloyalty, but looking out for Carver's best interests, even if that meant going against his wishes.
Being a guard wouldn't have satisfied Carver's ego or his need to prove himself, he'd either end up being thrown out for insubordination or because his recklessness and refusal to follow orders got someone else hurt or even killed.
I don't think she wants to risk him joining the guard, only to find him dead in an alley at 19, all because he ran off to take down a gang without informing anyone or waiting for backup first. And I especially don't think she wants to be the one to break the news to Leandra that another one of her children has perished before their time. Nor have Hawke blame themselves for failing to protect their last remaining sibling.
Concern over his welfare might be why she suggested finding employment elsewhere, rather than risking going into the Deep Roads. Aveline doesn't even want Hawke to go, as she will comment up reaching 50 Sovereigns that that's enough for the Deep Roads, if that's what they still want?
She's definitely over-protective at times, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. As she says in Act 1 to Hawke;
"After what we went through to get here, I... well, you're no child, but I take care of my friends."
I've looked over the dialogue and to be honest, while I do agree it's within Aveline's right to refuse to recommend Carver if it reflects badly on her and if she doesn't think he's professional enough, I don't agree that it's done in his best interest. If she was truly looking out for him, she could have put in a good word for him in a career that was safer, more suited for him. Instead, she denies him a chance to crawl his way out of poverty...and then sits back and does nothing to help him find more honest work. She suggests it, but doesn't help him look for it and with Carver's path leading to lyrium addiction, dealing with the Taint as a Warden or death, she's bringing about a worse outcome for him. Aveline: So, Carver, have you thought about what you'll do if your expedition doesn't pay off? Carver: This is our only chance and you know it. Aveline: You're so damned proud you couldn't pick up a trade? Carver: And who would take on a Fereldan apprentice? Maybe in another year I could work my way up to pissboy. Aveline: Fine, let's crawl down some holes. Good bloody luck for your sake So no, Aveline, you don't get to claim altruistic motives for doing that. She's well within her right to refuse him for personal reasons, but I strongly disagree that it was for a noble reason.
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Post by kira on Jul 18, 2018 23:33:45 GMT
I think my Warden mage definitely bonded emotionally with Leliana. While Leliana's a significant person in DAI as well, I miss that feeling of personal devotion and loyalty she had to my Warden in Origins. I think she didn't give it cheaply either, in the context of where she was in her life.
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Post by Norstaera on Jul 19, 2018 16:07:49 GMT
I have to weigh in on the Carver/Aveline debate, even though Aveline isn't my favorite companion. IMO, 'protect and serve' is very much who Aveline is, and that's why being a City Guardsman suits her so well (even if it turns out her boss is corrupt). Protecting doesn't mean the civilian citizens of Kirkwall, but her fellow guardsmen as well. Act I Carver is an immature hothead who would likely put not only himself at risk, but anyone on patrol with him. If I'm patrolling Lowtown at night, I want to know the guy at my side will think before acting.
Carver doesn't have to stay in Kirkwall (except for game necessity). He could go elsewhere and pick up a trade. City Guard is not a place for people to go and grow up. Remember Sergeant Kylon in Denerim, having to deal with the noble bastards because their noble fathers considered city guard a sinecure? Carver wouldn't be that useless, but he still needed to grow up before Aveline might recommend him. (And I don't believe she went out of her way to deny him, but gave her honest opinion).
Aveline doesn't have a crystal ball, so she could hardly know that Carver would end up dead, a Templar, or a Grey Warden.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 19, 2018 16:40:16 GMT
I have to weigh in on the Carver/Aveline debate, even though Aveline isn't my favorite companion. IMO, 'protect and serve' is very much who Aveline is, and that's why being a City Guardsman suits her so well (even if it turns out her boss is corrupt). Protecting doesn't mean the civilian citizens of Kirkwall, but her fellow guardsmen as well. Act I Carver is an immature hothead who would likely put not only himself at risk, but anyone on patrol with him. If I'm patrolling Lowtown at night, I want to know the guy at my side will think before acting. Carver doesn't have to stay in Kirkwall (except for game necessity). He could go elsewhere and pick up a trade. City Guard is not a place for people to go and grow up. Remember Sergeant Kylon in Denerim, having to deal with the noble bastards because their noble fathers considered city guard a sinecure? Carver wouldn't be that useless, but he still needed to grow up before Aveline might recommend him. (And I don't believe she went out of her way to deny him, but gave her honest opinion). Aveline doesn't have a crystal ball, so she could hardly know that Carver would end up dead, a Templar, or a Grey Warden. She literally admits that she told them not to take him in.
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Post by opuspace on Jul 19, 2018 18:46:49 GMT
I have to weigh in on the Carver/Aveline debate, even though Aveline isn't my favorite companion. IMO, 'protect and serve' is very much who Aveline is, and that's why being a City Guardsman suits her so well (even if it turns out her boss is corrupt). Protecting doesn't mean the civilian citizens of Kirkwall, but her fellow guardsmen as well. Act I Carver is an immature hothead who would likely put not only himself at risk, but anyone on patrol with him. If I'm patrolling Lowtown at night, I want to know the guy at my side will think before acting. Carver doesn't have to stay in Kirkwall (except for game necessity). He could go elsewhere and pick up a trade. City Guard is not a place for people to go and grow up. Remember Sergeant Kylon in Denerim, having to deal with the noble bastards because their noble fathers considered city guard a sinecure? Carver wouldn't be that useless, but he still needed to grow up before Aveline might recommend him. (And I don't believe she went out of her way to deny him, but gave her honest opinion). Aveline doesn't have a crystal ball, so she could hardly know that Carver would end up dead, a Templar, or a Grey Warden. She literally admits that she told them not to take him in. She also knows they're refugees in desperate need for money. She couldn't even get into the city without their help. Easy to say that they go look for a job but if you don't have enough money, options are limited in where you can search. Carver at that point wasn't even turning down job options; He wasn't sure anyone would take someone like him. Of all the positions in the Guard, there wasn't one loathsome, boring beyond measure job that would have planted him behind paperwork or standing in one spot? It would have been the test for him right there and if he failed, that's on his head. One more thing. She has no problem offering Hawke a job in the Guard even when she believes Hawke would make a terrible one. With existing friendship, Aveline will comment on how Hawke does good in the city, but asks them to "petition a title, take a job. The guard is always looking."The Charming option ("You're the captain, not me") leads to Hawke quipping "Don't blame me for not being you. I'd make a poor guard." Aveline smirks and agrees, and states that Hawke's had an effect, but that "Maybe it's time to get serious. Before the option isn't your own."dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Questioning_Beliefs_(Aveline_Act_2)
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 19, 2018 19:06:32 GMT
To be fair, Aveline lets a lot of stuff slide for Hawke. I've bribed public officials, stabbed prostitutes and slaughtered Templars in front of her.
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Post by opuspace on Jul 19, 2018 19:25:00 GMT
To be fair, Aveline lets a lot of stuff slide for Hawke. I've bribed public officials, stabbed prostitutes and slaughtered Templars in front of her. Which makes it all the worse that she played favorites with one sibling but couldn't give Carver a fighting chance to prove himself. No wonder Carver hated his sibling. She personally trains her guards. She couldn't kick the recklessness out of Carver in his own training while telling him not to put his teammates at risk?
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