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Post by Iddy on Jul 5, 2018 1:37:15 GMT
I mean in terms of being supportive and developing the deepest connection with the protagonist.
Sure, all companions can have their approval raised, but I don't think the friendship's quality is equal.
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Post by Sokemis on Jul 5, 2018 2:08:54 GMT
The two (non-romanced) companions that I felt my main protagonists formed a deep connection with were Varric in DA2 and Dorian in DAI. I don't think I can even point out any specific reasons why (although I can say with Dorian that it probably helped that that protagonist did In Hushed Whispers instead of Champions of the Just), but it was just a feeling I got while playing them.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 5, 2018 3:35:30 GMT
For me it's Cassandra and Dorian. Even as non-romance, Dorian's friendship feels quite deep, based on mutual support and caring; I incorporate aspects of that for my headcanon of the romance. While my Inquisitor's next-closest friend is Cassandra, there's always a bit of distance there because she puts you on a pedestal and admires you a great deal; it's a bit hard to build a friendship as equals when that's the case. Those are the two I feel the closest to in the series.
However, I'll cast a third vote for non-romance Leliana in DAO as well. In my most recent new canon play, I was surprised to find that my Warden liked her quite a bit, appreciated her friendship, and was glad he could help her through her struggles.
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Post by Pokemario on Jul 5, 2018 3:54:23 GMT
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Post by phoray on Jul 5, 2018 4:37:53 GMT
Aveline and Varric are tied for DA2. That pedestal Varric puts the Inky on in DAI really ruins the friendship feel. I'd also say Bodahn, except he abandons you for greener pastures in act III Oddly enough to maybe some, I find Sera to be very supportive in Trespasser, so she comes to mind for DAI over all. Even in base game, when you realize how friggen truly terrified of what's going on, yet grits her teeth and pushes through it, real impressive. I'd say Harding for 2nd due to her location introductions. When I think back to DAO, I think of Wynne. In spite of how annoying I find her butting her nose in, she wouldn't do so unless she cared. 2nd, Zevran. He's very supportive of a friended Warden, even willing to turn on his longer term romance when push comes to shove. The above ratings are not based on my romance feels.
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Post by Liadan on Jul 5, 2018 14:13:11 GMT
For me it`s Alistair, Zevran, Varric (DA2), Aveline and Dorian. I felt they really cared for the PC as a friend instead of just being friendly co-workers. I also think that Morrigan established a deep friendship with the warden in the end but she`s not the most supportive character .
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 5, 2018 15:35:33 GMT
Alistair for sure. He sticks with your Warden no matter what. Varric seems to be the best option in DA2. Cassandra and Varric in DAI. I excluded Dorian because you can choose not to recruit him. The other two are required.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 5, 2018 17:50:33 GMT
Overall, Aveline and Varric. The dynamic Hawke can form with those two is outstanding and the three of them have been through so much. Every companion in DA2 can have some great moments of friendship with Hawke though.
In Origins, I actually think it's Sten. You have to earn his respect, but when you do it's truly heartwarming. Oh, and Sigrun - I like her epilogue about how the Warden- Commander spent years finding ways to keep her around instead of letting her go and find her death fighting darkspawn.
I don't feel it quite so strongly with Inquisition, but Cassandra is possibly the closest, although Descent and Jaws of Hakkon make Scout Harding into an unlikely candidate. Who wouldn't want to be friends with a dwarf? They're just so cool.
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Post by vertigomez on Jul 5, 2018 17:54:38 GMT
This is going to depend very much on who your character is.
For DAO... I don't know really? I think they all feel a little distant if you're not romancing them. Maybe Morrigan with her "I may not always prove worthy of your friendship" stuff.
DA2, from a purely friendship point of view I'd go with Varric, Aveline, and Isabela.
DAI, my strongest friendships were with Sera, Bull, and Dorian. I felt like even if I wasn't romancing Sera my Inquisitor would've kept in close contact with all of them. They were very dear to her.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 5, 2018 18:15:13 GMT
I actually found Alistair something of a fair weather friend. Even though you stepped up and took the lead when he didn't want to, if you do things he doesn't approve of he is something of a pain, even when you are actually following the suggestion of a senior warden. Also I found him less than supportive of my Cousland PC over his family. Okay so Duncan was his surrogate father but my guy had lost his entire family except for his brother that he still hadn't been able to locate and, if still alive, would be in danger from Howe.
So I do find Zevran and Leliana better friends overall and I also agree that Wynne may seem a busybody but with the best intentions and at least she will admit she was wrong later.
Varric and Averline are the most loyal friends in DA2 but I found that Fenris was pretty good as well even when you make a choice at the end that he normally wouldn't approve of.
I found Dorian the best friend in DAI and I could imagine him continuing to support my female Lavellan over her disastrous romance choice, even though they didn't have him do so in game. It was touching that even though he felt he did need to return to Tevinter, he didn't want to lose touch and so ensured that we didn't with the crystal. I found him an equally good friend to my male Lavellan who didn't romance him.
I also have to admit that Sera ends up a good friend, if you can get over the initial difficulties with her attitude, particularly as an elf. She becomes touchingly supportive by Trespasser, being one of only two characters that actually asks how you are over Solas (if you romanced him) and taking an interest in your clan's safety if they survived or being sympathetic if they didn't. I assume that offering you a place in the Jennies is her way of saying that she wants to stay in touch.
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Post by copper on Jul 5, 2018 22:26:12 GMT
Hm. In Origins this varied a lot depending on the warden I was playing. I guess Dog would be the most consistent one for me haha. Though Zevran's arc with the warden is always touching to me, whether it be friendship or romance.
In DA2 it's Varric and Aveline, easily. Varric is Hawke's best buddy in all my play throughs, and Aveline was with Hawke's family since Lothering. Her conversation after Leandra's death in particular always moved me, where she says not let anyone tell you when you should move on.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jul 7, 2018 11:09:35 GMT
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DA2: Varric.
DAI: No one. I think to them, you can't be anything but the Inquisitor.
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Post by fylimar on Jul 7, 2018 13:40:26 GMT
Zevran and Wynne in DAO. Zev becomes a very loyal friend (and/or lover), when he finally starts to trust you. And Wynne is the down-to earth voice of reason, the warden sometimes needs. She is not afraid to say unpopular things and she can admit, if she is wrong about something, which are both good qualities in a friend.
Varric and Aveline in DA2: no matter what, Varric stays by your side, he might not be happy about some decisions, but he is there for Hawke. Aveline is, like Wynne, a very down-to earth person, who is loyal and tells you the truth, even if you don't want to hear it.
Dorian and again Varric in DAI. Varric is the same loyal friend as in DA2 and Dorian is really good best friend material. I also like Bulls friendship, but since that is connected with how a certain quest turns out, I left it out. Sera can be a good friend too - not so much to a Dalish elf, but to most other inquis.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 7, 2018 17:14:55 GMT
I always felt like I related more to Anders than to anyone else in the series. But in Origins, I found Alistair, Zevran and Morrigan to be good friends, and in Inquisition Dorian is alright, although it annoys me that he's so chill about slavery, of all things.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 7, 2018 20:54:50 GMT
For Origins & Awakening I'd say Wynne and Nathaniel Howe Wynne because she acts like a (grand)mother to the Warden, giving them advise listening to their troubles, that sort of thing she's made mistakes in her past, and she admits to them, and if you help her come to terms with them she becomes stronger for it Nathaniel because after all that the Warden did to his home, and his father...he still tries to understand them and gain their trust playing a human noble, it's also about regaining that trust, not just in him but in his entire family my current (and one of my favorite origins) Warden is a human noble, she let him go even after he admitted he wanted to kill her something along the lines of -he's not his father-, because she remembers him for the person he is when he comes back she's surprised to put it mildly and despite Anders and Oghren disapproving, she allows him to come to reaffirm their friendship (I head canon that he looked out for her when they were kids, and then she had a bit of a puppy crush on him) and I think that's real friendship right there ^^ For DA 2 Varric, hands down I mean even if he becomes your rival (which I never have, because my Hawke's tend to be either diplomatic or sarcastic) he will never sell you out to anyone I mean he could've told Cassandra were Hawke was, but when she asks him where Hawke is because she wants them to lead the Inquisition, he pauses and tells her he doesn't know, even though we later learn he knew exactly where they were, what they were doing and who they were with Aveline as well, she's a good person and loves Hawke no matter what (err, except if you rival her, which I haven't, but I've seen the vids ) And she's one of the few people genuinely concerned about Hawke (aside from their love interest) when their mother dies Inquisition... that's a tough one, I think it depends on my Inquisitors, of which there aren't many yet (I've only played it like...3 times, and I've yet to finish the dlc's) but I think Cassandra and Dorian are good friends of my Quizzies with Dorian they can gush over cute men, and with Cassandra about their love for books, maybe the three of them can even start a book club, invite Solas every so often (he seems type to like that sort of thing xD) ^^ though with Cassandra they'd have a few points on which they'd butt heads, and that's religion as an atheist myself, my canon Inquisitor is one as well, sure she was raised as an Andrastian, but she believes that if the Maker really cared he'd just show up and knock some sense into the world. But other than that, yeah...Cassandra would be a great friend of my Quizzy ^^ Or, hm...maybe Cole? He's a helper, and he's a good person/spirit ^^
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 7, 2018 22:13:29 GMT
For DA 2 Varric, hands down I mean even if he becomes your rival (which I never have, because my Hawke's tend to be either diplomatic or sarcastic) he will never sell you out to anyone I mean he could've told Cassandra were Hawke was, but when she asks him where Hawke is because she wants them to lead the Inquisition, he pauses and tells her he doesn't know, even though we later learn he knew exactly where they were, what they were doing and who they were with. Him doing this is evidence of how he isn’t a true friend in my opinion. He manages to betray the trust and friendship of both Hawke, whom mine would want to help, and the Inquisitor by keeping this secret to himself. He was being selfish, doing that for him not for Hawke. Still wish we could have kicked him out in DAI at least. DA2 as well.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 7, 2018 22:45:23 GMT
For DA 2 Varric, hands down I mean even if he becomes your rival (which I never have, because my Hawke's tend to be either diplomatic or sarcastic) he will never sell you out to anyone I mean he could've told Cassandra were Hawke was, but when she asks him where Hawke is because she wants them to lead the Inquisition, he pauses and tells her he doesn't know, even though we later learn he knew exactly where they were, what they were doing and who they were with. Him doing this is evidence of how he isn’t a true friend in my opinion. He manages to betray the trust and friendship of both Hawke, whom mine would want to help, and the Inquisitor by keeping this secret to himself. He was being selfish, doing that for him not for Hawke. Still wish we could have kicked him out in DAI at least. DA2 as well. This is simply not right. He protects Hawke, but tells to Hawke, the Inquisition needs him/her. If Hawke helped the mages to escape, NO reason to Varric to trust in a Seeker, who kidnapped and interrogated him. Probably supposed, this fate waits for Hawke too. You know, an interrogation not a five o'clock tea. Cassandra is a Seeker. A mage hunter. No reason to trust her. If Hawke supported the mad woman, probably Varric still thinks, Hawke needs some rest.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 7, 2018 22:52:44 GMT
Him doing this is evidence of how he isn’t a true friend in my opinion. He manages to betray the trust and friendship of both Hawke, whom mine would want to help, and the Inquisitor by keeping this secret to himself. He was being selfish, doing that for him not for Hawke. Still wish we could have kicked him out in DAI at least. DA2 as well. This is simply not right. He protects Hawke, but tells to Hawke, the Inquisition needs him/her. If Hawke helped the mages to escape, NO reason to Varric to trust in a Seeker, who kidnapped and interrogated him. Probably supposed, this fate waits for Hawke too. If Hawke supported the mad woman, probably Varric still thinks, Hawke needs some rest. Sorry, you are objectively wrong. Varric doesn’t think that. In the first interaction with Cassandra, before he even tells the true story, he says that he knows she is looking for Hawke because they are seen as the only person who can put things back together. He just doesn’t tell because he doesn’t want to lose his friend. It isn’t for Hawke’s sake, it was for his own. Just like pretty much everything else he does.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 7, 2018 22:59:05 GMT
This is simply not right. He protects Hawke, but tells to Hawke, the Inquisition needs him/her. If Hawke helped the mages to escape, NO reason to Varric to trust in a Seeker, who kidnapped and interrogated him. Probably supposed, this fate waits for Hawke too. If Hawke supported the mad woman, probably Varric still thinks, Hawke needs some rest. Sorry, you are objectively wrong. Varric doesn’t think that. In the first interaction with Cassandra, before he even tells the true story, he says that he knows she is looking for Hawke because they are seen as the only person who can put things back together. He just doesn’t tell because he doesn’t want to lose his friend. It isn’t for Hawke’s sake, it was for his own. Just like pretty much everything else he does. The friendship is selfish. Just like everything. Yes, we can say. Everything that you do for people you do for yourself as well. What your problem with Varric? He's absolutely okay. Varric's not a saint – a killer, like everyone else in the game. But a very good friend. Or Anders is the ONLY altruist in the whole game... You agree, you not?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 7, 2018 23:08:08 GMT
Sorry, you are objectively wrong. Varric doesn’t think that. In the first interaction with Cassandra, before he even tells the true story, he says that he knows she is looking for Hawke because they are seen as the only person who can put things back together. He just doesn’t tell because he doesn’t want to lose his friend. It isn’t for Hawke’s sake, it was for his own. Just like pretty much everything else he does. The friendship is selfish. Just like everything. Yes, we can say. Everything that you do for people you do for yourself as well. What your problem with Varric? He's absolutely okay. Or Anders is the ONLY altruist in the whole game... You agree, you not? Oh, I could write an essay about the problem I have with Varric but this isn't the thread for that. Needless to say I disagree completely with everything being selfish or him being 'absolutely okay' and if I had the option I would have kicked him out in both the games he was in. And no, Anders is among the most selfish person in the series. But I know far better than to get involved in a discussion involving him with you.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 7, 2018 23:15:47 GMT
The friendship is selfish. Just like everything. Yes, we can say. Everything that you do for people you do for yourself as well. What your problem with Varric? He's absolutely okay. Or Anders is the ONLY altruist in the whole game... You agree, you not? Oh, I could write an essay about the problem I have with Varric but this isn't the thread for that. Needless to say I disagree completely with everything being selfish or him being 'absolutely okay' and if I had the option I would have kicked him out in both the games he was in. And no, Anders is among the most selfish person in the series. But I know far better than to get involved in a discussion involving him with you. I don't want an essay – but a reason, why a bad friend is Varric. He keeps Hawke's secret but informs Hawke. When Cassandra kidnapped him, probably wouldn't able to speak Hawke – so he waited the moment when he able to inform Hawke, without betraying him/her. Yes, betrayal. Regardless, Hawke wanted to help, Cassandra still a Seeker, who interrogated Varric. You know, what it means?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 7, 2018 23:17:35 GMT
Or Anders is the ONLY altruist in the whole game... You agree, you not? Seriously? Anders lies and manipulates Hawke, even if your Hawke has demonstrated, though word and deed, that he or she is completely supportive of mage freedom and him. Trust goes both ways. He wants Hawke to have blind trust in him, but doesn't show the same to Hawke. I know what you're going to say, since you've said it before: he does it to protect Hawke. But is he doing that for Hawke or himself, because he doesn't want to lose his friend (or partner). altruist - a person unselfishly concerned for or devoted to the welfare of others No. Anders is not an altruist. Even his cause for mage freedom is self serving because he is also a mage. Sure, I'll agree he also does care for others, but it's not selfless on his part.
I don't think there are any altruists among all of the followers we've had in the DA series. Perhaps Cole is the only one, since he doesn't have the capacity to be anything more (until he starts to become more human).
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Post by Catilina on Jul 7, 2018 23:31:32 GMT
Or Anders is the ONLY altruist in the whole game... You agree, you not? Seriously? Anders lies and manipulates Hawke, even if your Hawke has demonstrated, though word and deed, that he or she is completely supportive of mage freedom and him. Trust goes both ways. He wants Hawke to have blind trust in him, but doesn't show the same to Hawke. I know what you're going to say, since you've said it before: he does it to protect Hawke. But is he doing that for Hawke or himself, because he doesn't want to lose his friend (or partner). altruist - a person unselfishly concerned for or devoted to the welfare of others No. Anders is not an altruist. Even his cause for mage freedom is self serving because he is also a mage. Sure, I'll agree he also does care for others, but it's not selfless on his part.
I don't think there are any altruists among all of the followers we've had in the DA series. Perhaps Cole is the only one, since he doesn't have the capacity to be anything more (until he starts to become more human). Cole's not altruist – he's a spirit. Spirit of Compassion. Comforting/helping the suffering people is his essence... He only can be an altruist, if he become more human. And I didn't say Anders altruist, because of the mage freedom – but of course: he able to sacrifice everything for it – even his friendship/love with Hawke. And he was already free (and possible he lived in the Hightown in love...) But I spoke about the Darktown's free healer.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 7, 2018 23:46:41 GMT
Oh, I could write an essay about the problem I have with Varric but this isn't the thread for that. Needless to say I disagree completely with everything being selfish or him being 'absolutely okay' and if I had the option I would have kicked him out in both the games he was in. And no, Anders is among the most selfish person in the series. But I know far better than to get involved in a discussion involving him with you. I don't want an essay – but a reason, why a bad friend is Varric. He keeps Hawke's secret but informs Hawke. When Cassandra kidnapped him, probably wouldn't able to speak Hawke – so he waited the moment when he able to inform Hawke, without betraying him/her. Yes, betrayal. Regardless, Hawke wanted to help, Cassandra still a Seeker, who interrogated Varric. You know, what it means? Okay, I'll give you a couple reasons. First, his complete disregard for your secrecy. He tells everyone stories about you even as early as Act 1, the time when you are trying to lay low and not attract attention. He could very well be partly responsible for Bethany being discovered and taken to the Circles. Second, he is the only companion that never comforts you when Leandra dies. Speaking to Hawke is exactly what Cassandra wanted Varric to do actually. It's only when he says he can't that she says if he can't lead to them then tell her everything he knows. Then after the Conclave, Varric still waits months to involve Hawke. No, I don't get what you mean with that last part.
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