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Post by zipzap2000 on Aug 11, 2018 5:53:39 GMT
So you take the ME3 Ending and you make it the start of a new game. Shepard dies. Miranda Liara and your gay LI are freezing your corpse.
We rebuild Shepard but better and come up with a lame ass asspull like.
"While you and your crew were sleeping we beat the reapers.But the relays have reset themselves and we don't know what's going on behind them."
Which lets face it you'd still pay for anyway.
And reset with Shepard as a pathfinder resetting and reopening the relays 100 years later. All the species are scattered all over the place a fight for dominance Yada Yada.
Oh look someone ran away to Andromeda and the Geth have Conquered Thessia. Sweet.
Bring back every species and the idea of criminal empires etc etc.
Reset to ME1 style universe by the end of the Trilogy.
Done.
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Post by correctamundo on Aug 11, 2018 11:16:59 GMT
You should quit drinking, seriously.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 11, 2018 11:24:59 GMT
Lol! You should keep drinking, ignore the above poster. This is too funny.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 11, 2018 21:35:26 GMT
Drop the Shepard part and its a better story hook than Andromeda. But the Geth are dead, so they wont be the ones destroying Thessia
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Post by 10k on Aug 12, 2018 13:36:40 GMT
Most people here really loved Andromeda and would like to see an Andromeda 2. So the results aren't that surprising. I'd really love a return with shepard and his crew. I couldn't imagine a return of Ryder and his crew. They all were so dull and reskins of the Normandy crew.
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Post by Phantom on Aug 12, 2018 13:56:46 GMT
humm, is someone indoctrinated? Drinking makes it easier to be indoctrinated by the Reapers. *gives everyone research data on relations between drugs, alcholism and Reaper Indoctrination*
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Post by Serza on Aug 12, 2018 14:16:39 GMT
humm, is someone indoctrinated? Drinking makes it easier to be indoctrinated by the Reapers. *gives everyone research data on relations between drugs, alcholism and Reaper Indoctrination*
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 12, 2018 14:23:42 GMT
Most people here really loved Andromeda and would like to see an Andromeda 2. So the results aren't that surprising. I'd really love a return with shepard and his crew. I couldn't imagine a return of Ryder and his crew. They all were so dull and reskins of the Normandy crew. I don't see how the Andromeda crew was any worse then the first appearances of any of the other Mass Effect crew, what made them standout was them returning and developing. They are to the point where they are best left alone so the game doesn't become only a relationship simulator and they try to fit the different characters in.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 13, 2018 5:16:28 GMT
Most people here really loved Andromeda and would like to see an Andromeda 2. So the results aren't that surprising. I'd really love a return with shepard and his crew. I couldn't imagine a return of Ryder and his crew. They all were so dull and reskins of the Normandy crew. I liked MEA. Not sure I loved it. I would, however, like another game to tie up loose ends and leave the AI with a sense that they're going to have a bright, shiny future. That leaves an opening for an MEA3 but not a requirement. Was the MET intended to be a trilogy? If I look at the end of ME1, it suggests Shepard is going to go out and fight the good fight against the Reapers but that the story doesn't necessarily need to be told.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 14, 2018 5:00:34 GMT
Most people here really loved Andromeda and would like to see an Andromeda 2. So the results aren't that surprising. I'd really love a return with shepard and his crew. I couldn't imagine a return of Ryder and his crew. They all were so dull and reskins of the Normandy crew. I don't see how the Andromeda crew was any worse then the first appearances of any of the other Mass Effect crew, what made them standout was them returning and developing. They are to the point where they are best left alone so the game doesn't become only a relationship simulator and they try to fit the different characters in. It was marginally better than the first appearance of the ME1 crew but far worse than ME2-3 crews first appearances. It was just worse writing, dialogue and voice acting.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 14, 2018 5:07:23 GMT
I don't see how the Andromeda crew was any worse then the first appearances of any of the other Mass Effect crew, what made them standout was them returning and developing. They are to the point where they are best left alone so the game doesn't become only a relationship simulator and they try to fit the different characters in. It was marginally better than the first appearance of the ME1 crew but far worse than ME2-3 crews first appearances. It was just worse writing, dialogue and voice acting. I guess its all personal preference for in ME2 I pretty much only went to go see Mordin, the rest of the crew I left alone for I didn't find them interesting to talk to.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 14, 2018 5:11:35 GMT
It was marginally better than the first appearance of the ME1 crew but far worse than ME2-3 crews first appearances. It was just worse writing, dialogue and voice acting. I guess its all personal preference for in ME2 I pretty much only went to go see Mordin, the rest of the crew I left alone for I didn't find them interesting to talk to. I didn't necessarily like many of them, but they had character. MEA they were so flat I won't give them that.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 14, 2018 8:18:42 GMT
I don't see how the Andromeda crew was any worse then the first appearances of any of the other Mass Effect crew, what made them standout was them returning and developing. They are to the point where they are best left alone so the game doesn't become only a relationship simulator and they try to fit the different characters in. It was marginally better than the first appearance of the ME1 crew but far worse than ME2-3 crews first appearances. It was just worse writing, dialogue and voice acting. I think they did a fine job with the va.
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Post by Sondergaard on Aug 14, 2018 12:39:31 GMT
It was marginally better than the first appearance of the ME1 crew but far worse than ME2-3 crews first appearances. It was just worse writing, dialogue and voice acting. I think they did a fine job with the va. Yep. The ME:A crew had many problems but the VAs weren't one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 15:54:01 GMT
The only way I would agree the next game is in Milky Way is A) destroy ending is made canon and Shepard stays dead. Let the man/woman rest in peace, he/she has been through enough shit already.
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Post by ropedrink on Aug 16, 2018 17:13:25 GMT
Going to have to agree - the VA's overall were very solid and did a respectable job, more-so given the models for Hum/Asari and the questionable animations. It's easier to criticise when the model said VA is coming out of contorts into play-dough constantly.
Their stories and personalities were also more relatable than pretty much any ME1 variant seeing as each one dealt with issues any random Joe could experience, except launch that issue into a new galaxy beforehand. You were just as capable of building up favourites in MEA as you were in ME1+ ; easier, actually, as a lot of their problems could be happening to you. Meanwhile, I can't relate to Liara, Tali, Garrus, Wrex as their charm were often buried under personality more than background.
Cora has "Number 2" syndrome - the role she's groomed for being sidelined due to the fact Alec had planned to have one of the Ryder kids in the role all along for 'reasons' without any actual concern for the chain of command. She still becomes your close(est) friend, canonically, and is the only crew-member you knew before Andromeda, despite the fact her other mentor proves to be less savoury and her fate tied to the Asari ark. The whole "ASARI HUNTRESS THING" which she clearly doesn't repeat 24/7 is just a side-effect. Her real story is coming to terms with being No.2.
Liam is truly the only inconsistent character of the crew. It is clear he was meant to be some kind of lovable drifter-type with abstract/alternative ideas that others wouldn't consider (with a little charisma to pull it off), but in the end he proves to contradict everything about himself throughout the game due to how oddly he was handled. He wants to build bridges with the Angara yet he actively burns bridges constantly with everyone else via nomad banter. He's super-friendly to the PF at all times (even when you chew him out for his bullshit, except for that one moment post-loyalty mission), yet he's almost always a dick to pretty much everyone else for no reason. His brainwave with Jaal is that it would be good to be intentionally insulting towards him in order to understand what not to say during Angara meetings - that's fine in principle, but he does it constantly with EVERYONE.
Suvi is a 'scientist that believes in god'. It's an intentional play on the fact that science and religion are often meant to butt-heads, not join together. She has enough intelligence (and the role) to disprove her own faith but chooses to believe anyway. Insert other concern for her family and you have enough for a character. You can go along with her belief or debate it - but she doesn't hold it against you if you do, it is simply her choice to do what she does.
Kallo is (literally) living in the past due to photographic memory - the story-arc is written vicariously through your new ship (and its respective engineer who is a total opposite to Kallo in terms of work ethic and mentality). His drama often belongs to other people (typically of the 600 years dead variety), except Gil. He's a likeable character and an exceptional pilot, yet his stubbornness and bitterness comes forward if you go against his ways.
Gil, see above. Kallo is stubbornly set in his ways, Gil is a 'go with your gut' guy. Due to both having a role dedicated to the ship itself, they conflict constantly. Insert the fact he is openly gay and also being groomed for fatherhood by his besty, Jill, which has no bearing on his work. He's happily resigned to this idea, even if you remind him of 'responsibilities' (seeing as he often gives the impression of not really wanting any responsibilities at all).
Vetra is a rendition of all the people out there who have found themselves essentially serving as parents or carers way before parenthood themselves. Her own parents were awful people and left it up to her to care for the youngest. As such, she adapted to this through hard labour but found the less conventional methods paid off a bit more. In the end, she becomes so set on caring for Sid that she almost suffocates any kind of opportunity for Sid to have a life of her own. Their story concludes with understanding in both directions once she realizes she can't (and shouldn't) try to protect Sid from EVERYTHING.
Drack is the token granddad trope. Grumpy, set in his ways and typically very 'Krogan'. However, you realize that his grand crusade is mostly a means of ensuring a future for his granddaughter and clan, less so because he's a 'typical violent Krogan'. He's so ancient and accepting of his status as a 'fossil' that he has no real care for himself, so long as he can achieve previously mentioned goal. If he dies in the process, in his mind it is meant to be. His granddaddy role rubs off on the crew, as he ends up giving parenting or fatherly advice to pretty much everyone bar a small few in a caring way. He's instantly more relatable and likeable because of this compared to, say, Wrex (who becomes a 'bro' as well as a Krogan who 'breaks the mould') and Grunt (who becomes a surrogate son to Sheperd).
Peebee is your typical teenage Asari, give or take blatant attachment issues and a lack of need for any kind of filter. As far as she's concerned, she/you won't be sticking around long, so there's no need to beat around the bush or pussyfoot around subjects - just say it as it is and live in the moment.
Jaal is mostly parallel to the Angara in general. His is less of a story and more of a "Curious case of an Angara living with a bunch of odd-ball aliens and trying to understand the nonsense". His story is almost always entwined with the Moshae or Roekar, so he's your window into their world (much like we're a window into ours).
Lexi, well, Lexi is a professional, but clearly takes things to heart. Peebee's antics, Dracks condition, SAM's influence over you and various other things drive her nuts in one way or another, but she keeps work and personal separate... For the most part.
TLDR you can see any character in ME:A and pin it on someone you know in reality. This is why I 'like' all of them in one way or another... Except Liam. He's the only one suffering some massive issues (of the writing variety). Now, I also like Garrus, Wrex, Tali, Liara, Ashley etc, but only one of those had a relatable angle - the rest relied on your capability of separating your own 'reality' from the fact this was going to be an alien space-opera. Just look at the reaction to Ashley's personality and you understand why her angle is debated constantly, whereas all the other characters are projected across the entire trilogy, not so much ME1.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 16, 2018 23:34:26 GMT
The only way I would agree the next game is in Milky Way is A) destroy ending is made canon and Shepard stays dead. Let the man/woman rest in peace, he/she has been through enough shit already. Except that in my Destroy ending, I had high EMS and Shepard lives. In fact, an ending where Shepard dies is a terrible one IMO. Now we're at odds. Who wins?
That said, I do agree that Shepard should be able to rest. It doesn't mean Shepard has to be dead. How about if Shepard runs of with an LI, settles down and has a family? Still not fighting but not dead.
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Post by Guardian on Aug 19, 2018 22:28:34 GMT
The only way I would agree the next game is in Milky Way is A) destroy ending is made canon and Shepard stays dead. Let the man/woman rest in peace, he/she has been through enough shit already. Except that in my Destroy ending, I had high EMS and Shepard lives. In fact, an ending where Shepard dies is a terrible one IMO. Now we're at odds. Who wins?
That said, I do agree that Shepard should be able to rest. It doesn't mean Shepard has to be dead. How about if Shepard runs of with an LI, settles down and has a family? Still not fighting but not dead.
The bolded part is really all I wanted in an ending for ME 3. I got so tired of the "must be grimdark for the sake of being grimdark" endings that were so popular at the time. And I remember back on the old BSN, if you weren't in favor of the "grimdark ending" of ME 3, that meant you were brainwashed in wanting "Disney Endings".
Would I object to one last run with Shep? Not at all. Do I need to play another game with Shep? Not really, and as it was already said, the Andromeda crew had lots of issues, but the VAs weren't one of them.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 19, 2018 22:42:20 GMT
if you weren't in favor of the "grimdark ending" of ME 3, that meant you were brainwashed in wanting "Disney Endings". Synthesis? To me, that's a fairy tale. That's why I destroy Reapers. I'm pulling out the "Nazi card" but don't end the thread for it - no one was going to let Hitler live after his mass genocide. (It was okay for Stalin, though.) Why should the Reapers get away with it?
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