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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 1:43:04 GMT
and BTW, in ME1, all we had to do was beat Saren to the target (the Conduit)... that ridiculous plot device that ultimately only led us back to a public plaza on the Citadel. You'd think that, in the more than 1000 years the Salarians, Asari, and other Milky Way species occupied the Citadel, someone would have taken some time to study that "statue" and at least discovered that it wasn't a statue at all. You keep ragging about that, but what about the keepers? Why didn't the asari investigate them? It would be funny if the owners show up, then wipe out the asari that are invading their house. There's a law not to mess with the keepers. Due to the fact the keepers persist in destroying themselves when interfered with, they are nearly impossible to scan or study. By Council law, it has become illegal to interfere with the keepers on penalty of imprisonment, because the Citadel cannot be maintained without them. No matter how many keepers die due to old age, violence, or accident, they maintain a constant number. No one has discovered the source of new keepers, but some hypothesize they are genetic constructs: biological androids created somewhere deep in the inaccessible core of the Citadel itself.
In regards to the little relay, it's supposedly prothean art. Why didn't anyone investigate it? It's possible there's a law not to go near it. Don't know.
And I agree about ragging on them for withholding that information, but I don't recall anyone saying that they should have figured the artifact out. Had they revealed the artifact earlier, x number of lives might have been saved. Yes, why didn't they investigate the keepers... and even if they had opportunity and ability, they just didn't and then Chorban comes along out of blue without funding and some stolen tech and scans them... and discovers some things. It is not impossible for thee ODSY drive to have been in development somewhere in the MEU (by some Doc Brown unknown) and we players just not know about it.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 27, 2020 2:11:29 GMT
If Garrus dies in ME2, you don't get him resurrected and saying those lines... he stays dead. If it were a declaration of a canon... he would be alive in ME3 regardless of what happened in ME2... but he's not..l so it's a dialogue error. So, if you don't want to hear those lines, then just kill him off in ME2 or choose not to go onto the roof and shoot bottles with him. It then will never have been said in your playthroughs I know what to do if I don't want to hear the dialogue, but the problem is that I already heard it. It is not impossible for thee ODSY drive to have been in development somewhere in the MEU (by some Doc Brown unknown) and we players just not know aboutit. Why are you telling me this? I haven't said anything about the drive.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 27, 2020 2:50:35 GMT
I've updated my vote. Was MEA2 with Ryder but that's akin to a throwaway vote. Now on to MEN(ext) with Other. I love Shep but even if alive I can't buy into another miracle save like TIM did. Shep would have to be either dead or otherwise retired and in seclusion. We'd need a new protagonist, possibly someone who stood out in the Reaper Wars. Doesn't have to be a Spectre. Explorer wasn't a bad idea but another galaxy was probably the wrong way to go. I'd go exploring to dark areas, places where the relays had been offline. You'd still need a tough protagonist to go into these uncharted areas. Maybe it wouldn't work given the outcome of MEA but I wouldn't mind.
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Post by Polka Dot on Jan 27, 2020 3:27:31 GMT
I've updated my vote. Was MEA2 with Ryder but that's akin to a throwaway vote. How come? It is by far the most popular option here.
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Post by shermos on Jan 27, 2020 13:23:40 GMT
More on the basics side of things that I would want in the next game are these wishes: - I would like to get a task from the leaders of the organization I work for, that brings me far out in a galaxy, where my team and I face difficulties on our own and feel the loneliness in space. Maybe the connection to the leadership gets lost for most of the game, until we solve the big mystery we were send out to and report back.
- I would like to visit multiple planets as the first human ever and feel wonder and excitement while discovering what's going on.
- I would like to have some autonomy about choosing or rejecting team members the way I see fit.
- I would like to visit cities of Alien species on the ground level.
- I would like the next game not to try to fit a formula.
In the other thread I already mentioned a serious tone and the focus on a well written story.
That sounds good to me. Bioware needs to drop the huge open world thing though. Trying to do this for multiple planets was one of the major factors which screwed up MEA's development. It's better to have smaller levels which can be made to feel more full and alive. There could still be some vehicle exploration of course.
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Post by shermos on Jan 27, 2020 13:29:52 GMT
I've updated my vote. Was MEA2 with Ryder but that's akin to a throwaway vote. Now on to MEN(ext) with Other. I love Shep but even if alive I can't buy into another miracle save like TIM did. Shep would have to be either dead or otherwise retired and in seclusion. We'd need a new protagonist, possibly someone who stood out in the Reaper Wars. Doesn't have to be a Spectre. Explorer wasn't a bad idea but another galaxy was probably the wrong way to go. I'd go exploring to dark areas, places where the relays had been offline. You'd still need a tough protagonist to go into these uncharted areas. Maybe it wouldn't work given the outcome of MEA but I wouldn't mind. There's practically limitless room for exploration. Only 2% of the Milky Way had been explored by the Citadel races by the time of ME3. There are lots of relays which haven't been explored due to Council policy and the sheer size of the galaxy, and there are also globular clusters and dwarf galaxies which orbit the galaxy. Who knows if they are linked to the relay network or not.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 27, 2020 14:59:40 GMT
I've updated my vote. Was MEA2 with Ryder but that's akin to a throwaway vote. Excellent That's most likely what might happen for the next ME game Why would a miracle be needed? Here's a suggestion to have Shepard return for ME4. And here's a suggestion for a trailer.
My preference is to have Shepard return. Since it's been said that the next DA game might not release until 2022, maybe 2023, it would likely be 2025 or later for the next ME game to be released. I don't see Shepard returning. I like to be wrong. For now, I believe that a remastered trilogy could be released. Time will tell.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 27, 2020 15:00:41 GMT
I've updated my vote. Was MEA2 with Ryder but that's akin to a throwaway vote. How come? It is by far the most popular option here. I really enjoyed MEA but I don't see a sequel ever coming. I've decided to go with a most realistic option.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 27, 2020 15:46:36 GMT
How come? It is by far the most popular option here. I really enjoyed MEA but I don't see a sequel ever coming. I've decided to go with a most realistic option. So you go with a post-ME3 option?
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 27, 2020 15:47:30 GMT
I've updated my vote. Was MEA2 with Ryder but that's akin to a throwaway vote. Now on to MEN(ext) with Other. I love Shep but even if alive I can't buy into another miracle save like TIM did. Shep would have to be either dead or otherwise retired and in seclusion. We'd need a new protagonist, possibly someone who stood out in the Reaper Wars. Doesn't have to be a Spectre. Explorer wasn't a bad idea but another galaxy was probably the wrong way to go. I'd go exploring to dark areas, places where the relays had been offline. You'd still need a tough protagonist to go into these uncharted areas. Maybe it wouldn't work given the outcome of MEA but I wouldn't mind. There's practically limitless room for exploration. Only 2% of the Milky Way had been explored by the Citadel races by the time of ME3. There are lots of relays which haven't been explored due to Council policy and the sheer size of the galaxy, and there are also globular clusters and dwarf galaxies which orbit the galaxy. Who knows if they are linked to the relay network or not. This is what I was thinking and what would have worked better than going to another galaxy. As you say, they might not have been linked, or maybe were "turned off" for some reason. That would entirely circumvent the endings of ME3.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 27, 2020 15:49:37 GMT
I really enjoyed MEA but I don't see a sequel ever coming. I've decided to go with a most realistic option. So you go with a post-ME3 option? Yep, I do now. There's no question that I thoroughly enjoyed MEA. Big fan of Ryder. I mostly didn't like Peebee or Keri (but only because of that possible cheating thing with both of them). Otherwise I liked the cast. Still, if I'm going for what I realistically believe could happen, I'd go for a post-ME3 set in an uncharted area of the MW.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 27, 2020 15:52:49 GMT
So you go with a post-ME3 option? Yep, I do now. There's no question that I thoroughly enjoyed MEA. Big fan of Ryder. I mostly didn't like Peebee or Keri (but only because of that possible cheating thing with both of them). Otherwise I liked the cast. Still, if I'm going for what I realistically believe could happen, I'd go for a post-ME3 set in an uncharted area of the MW. Realistic is subjective so I won’t say you’re wrong, but I see anything post-ME3 in the Milky Way as the most unrealistic option due to how drastically the galaxy can be different after your choices in ME3 (and not just the final choice that affects the entire galaxy) as well as BioWare wanting to respect said choices.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 27, 2020 16:45:17 GMT
So you go with a post-ME3 option? Yep, I do now. There's no question that I thoroughly enjoyed MEA. Big fan of Ryder. I mostly didn't like Peebee or Keri (but only because of that possible cheating thing with both of them). Otherwise I liked the cast. Still, if I'm going for what I realistically believe could happen, I'd go for a post-ME3 set in an uncharted area of the MW. The problem is that there's literally no escape from the effects of the Final Choice in any part of the galaxy, even in its farthest reaches from any explored section of space. Even being 100+thousand light years across, the new world state just hangs over all of it. Basically, if we go back to the Milky Way, the only true way to reconcile it is to select a final world state, or some form of it while omitting certain details, and just run with that so we can get some familiar locales as well as the new. The path of least resistance in this path, I feel, would just be some hybrid of the post-Control and Destroy endings, leaving most if not everything largely intact, and we have most of the familiar races back. Geth would probably not be an enemy faction again, but whether they get a mention would be anyone's guess.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 27, 2020 17:00:25 GMT
The funny thing is that such a hybridization would end up mangling both the Control and Destroy endings. In theory this should end up satisfying no one, but I get the feeling that many players aren't nearly as committed to the integrity of the setting as they claim to be.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 27, 2020 17:11:52 GMT
How come? It is by far the most popular option here. I really enjoyed MEA but I don't see a sequel ever coming. I've decided to go with a most realistic option. Yep. Remake MEA, and release ME4 with Shepard returning. Or go with what the guy says, the details have changed. Depending on the details, remaking the trilogy might happen.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 27, 2020 17:14:59 GMT
Yep, I do now. There's no question that I thoroughly enjoyed MEA. Big fan of Ryder. I mostly didn't like Peebee or Keri (but only because of that possible cheating thing with both of them). Otherwise I liked the cast. Still, if I'm going for what I realistically believe could happen, I'd go for a post-ME3 set in an uncharted area of the MW. The problem is that there's literally no escape from the effects of the Final Choice in any part of the galaxy, even in its farthest reaches from any explored section of space. Even being 100+thousand light years across, the new world state just hangs over all of it. Basically, if we go back to the Milky Way, the only true way to reconcile it is to select a final world state, or some form of it while omitting certain details, and just run with that so we can get some familiar locales as well as the new. The path of least resistance in this path, I feel, would just be some hybrid of the post-Control and Destroy endings, leaving most if not everything largely intact, and we have most of the familiar races back. Geth would probably not be an enemy faction again, but whether they get a mention would be anyone's guess. No Geth actually being involved? Hard Pass.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 27, 2020 18:50:01 GMT
I've updated my vote. Was MEA2 with Ryder but that's akin to a throwaway vote. Now on to MEN(ext) with Other. I love Shep but even if alive I can't buy into another miracle save like TIM did. Shep would have to be either dead or otherwise retired and in seclusion. We'd need a new protagonist, possibly someone who stood out in the Reaper Wars. Doesn't have to be a Spectre. Explorer wasn't a bad idea but another galaxy was probably the wrong way to go. I'd go exploring to dark areas, places where the relays had been offline. You'd still need a tough protagonist to go into these uncharted areas. Maybe it wouldn't work given the outcome of MEA but I wouldn't mind. There's practically limitless room for exploration. Only 2% of the Milky Way had been explored by the Citadel races by the time of ME3. There are lots of relays which haven't been explored due to Council policy and the sheer size of the galaxy, and there are also globular clusters and dwarf galaxies which orbit the galaxy. Who knows if they are linked to the relay network or not. If ME3 hadn't Skittled the galaxy, I'd say there was no reason MEA couldn't have been set in the Milky Way
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Post by Iakus on Jan 27, 2020 18:51:59 GMT
The funny thing is that such a hybridization would end up mangling both the Control and Destroy endings. In theory this should end up satisfying no one, but I get the feeling that many players aren't nearly as committed to the integrity of the setting as they claim to be. It's almost like ME3's endings weren't very satisfying...
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 27, 2020 19:13:22 GMT
The problem is that there's literally no escape from the effects of the Final Choice in any part of the galaxy, even in its farthest reaches from any explored section of space. Even being 100+thousand light years across, the new world state just hangs over all of it. Basically, if we go back to the Milky Way, the only true way to reconcile it is to select a final world state, or some form of it while omitting certain details, and just run with that so we can get some familiar locales as well as the new. The path of least resistance in this path, I feel, would just be some hybrid of the post-Control and Destroy endings, leaving most if not everything largely intact, and we have most of the familiar races back. Geth would probably not be an enemy faction again, but whether they get a mention would be anyone's guess. No Geth actually being involved? Hard Pass. I didn’t say no involvement necessarily, just not as an enemy faction. The geth in a post-war setting could largely abandon the iconic gestalt platforms and just exist as software in their own spaceborne structures. The geth are the trickiest race to continue with because of the fact that they only really existed as enemy robots nearly the entirety of the trilogy and are seldom seen again whether or not they survive on Rannoch. In an idealized hybrid ending, they’d probably exist, but far away with maybe the occasional flashlight head making an appearance, if that.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 27, 2020 19:16:20 GMT
The funny thing is that such a hybridization would end up mangling both the Control and Destroy endings. In theory this should end up satisfying no one, but I get the feeling that many players aren't nearly as committed to the integrity of the setting as they claim to be. This is why I prefer leaving the fate of the galaxy open-ended from what we get out of the post-EC epilogues rather than re-scripting the whole thing so the OT MEU isn’t going “Rumors of my death were greatly exaggerated.”
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 27, 2020 19:40:22 GMT
No Geth actually being involved? Hard Pass. I didn’t say no involvement necessarily, just not as an enemy faction. The geth in a post-war setting could largely abandon the iconic gestalt platforms and just exist as software in their own spaceborne structures. The geth are the trickiest race to continue with because of the fact that they only really existed as enemy robots nearly the entirety of the trilogy and are seldom seen again whether or not they survive on Rannoch. In an idealized hybrid ending, they’d probably exist, but far away with maybe the occasional flashlight head making an appearance, if that. Still hard pass. I don’t want my favorite ME race to be just a maybe rare cameo after all the work I did to save them.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 27, 2020 19:59:42 GMT
I didn’t say no involvement necessarily, just not as an enemy faction. The geth in a post-war setting could largely abandon the iconic gestalt platforms and just exist as software in their own spaceborne structures. The geth are the trickiest race to continue with because of the fact that they only really existed as enemy robots nearly the entirety of the trilogy and are seldom seen again whether or not they survive on Rannoch. In an idealized hybrid ending, they’d probably exist, but far away with maybe the occasional flashlight head making an appearance, if that. Still hard pass. I don’t want my favorite ME race to be just a maybe rare cameo after all the work I did to save them. That's fair, but I guess their level of involvement really depends on the story you want to tell with them. Heavier involvement just flat out requires canonizing their continued existence, so this is basically a post-Control/Synthesis hybrid without the less palatable parts of either, like reapers occasionally flying by or everyone having green glowing eyes or something. Thing is, geth platforms exist primarily as a means to either wage battle or serve particular tasks. In a post-war setting in which the geth get to determine their own future, it would make sense that they would embrace the software side of themselves and build their own virtual society in a place that caters to them alone, like the Dyson bubble they were building. Only reason we'd see a platform anywhere is because the geth need something done, or are reaching out to someone like our protagonist. In a hypothetical post-ME3 game, I can see that platform becoming a companion because the geth/quarians need something from us in particular. Heck, I could see a situation where it's a Quarian companion that happens to have a Geth program acting like a sort of Jarvis/SAM-type character.
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Post by Polka Dot on Jan 27, 2020 22:37:34 GMT
How come? It is by far the most popular option here. I really enjoyed MEA but I don't see a sequel ever coming. I've decided to go with a most realistic option. I appreciate the response. That said, the poll question asks what you want, not what you expect or think is most realistic. I think it'd be a real shame to toss Ryder - and all of that potential - aside after having gone through the process of taking the character from untested, unproven, unprepared to a position of respect. I also quite like the VAs they used for Ryder and think they deserve another go. (And no, I don't want to see Ryder as an NPC. They did that with DA2's Hawke in DAI, with... shall we say, mixed results.)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 27, 2020 22:54:39 GMT
I really enjoyed MEA but I don't see a sequel ever coming. I've decided to go with a most realistic option. I appreciate the response. That said, the poll question asks what you want, not what you expect or think is most realistic. I think it'd be a real shame to toss Ryder - and all of that potential - aside after having gone through the process of taking the character from untested, unproven, unprepared to a position of respect. I also quite like the VAs they used for Ryder and think they deserve another go. (And no, I don't want to see Ryder as an NPC. They did that with DA2's Hawke in DAI, with... shall we say, mixed results.) Not just Hawke. Revan and the Exile too, also with mixed reception. It’s part of why I want the Inquisitor to return as the protagonist or not at all, since BioWare has a track record of ruining former PCs when turned into NPCs.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 27, 2020 23:04:37 GMT
I really enjoyed MEA but I don't see a sequel ever coming. I've decided to go with a most realistic option. I appreciate the response. That said, the poll question asks what you want, not what you expect or think is most realistic. I think it'd be a real shame to toss Ryder - and all of that potential - aside after having gone through the process of taking the character from untested, unproven, unprepared to a position of respect. I also quite like the VAs they used for Ryder and think they deserve another go. (And no, I don't want to see Ryder as an NPC. They did that with DA2's Hawke in DAI, with... shall we say, mixed results.) What some people want is basically Shepard 2.0, since S1 is not in the cards. Some even hold to the cockamamie notion that Shepard *is* Mass Effect. The sad thing is that nothing really precludes building and developing(redeveloping) an existing character to grow it in a larger narrative. Whatever quality that goes into that would be no less than what goes into a new one, but now they'd have to rebuild from scratch. If anyone insists that attempting to do this would somehow break continuity or compromise the integrity of it, that would just be laughably disingenuous anyway.
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