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Post by boxofscreaming on Dec 12, 2018 20:44:05 GMT
Dragon Age was going to be Hawkes story, just like Mass Effect was Shepards story. I wish this were the case. Alas, due to audience conservatism, I doubt we'll ever see a Dragon Age as good as DA2 again. I don't see 50/50 working at all - since we've already had a whole game with the Inquisitor it'd end up feeling more like 75/25. I enjoyed The Witcher 3 where you had a main hero but also occasionally controlled someone else - maybe that could work. I'd like to have controlled Hawke in Inquisition.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 12, 2018 21:06:31 GMT
I will also add this. Mike Laidlaw said if Witcher 3 came out first, DAI would have probably more closely resembled TW3. Now he didn't exactly elaborate on what he meant by that, however, what is something Witcher 3 successfully pulled off? 2 playable characters. Both of those characters arguably were the main characters. Yes, Geralt got VASTLY more screen time, but I don't think anyone whose played TW3 to completion can argue that Ciri was not treated like the Co-Star. You play as her on several occasions, you can even select what dialogues shes says in these sections. She is without question more important to the plot and it's resolution than Geralt by light years. "What do you know about saving the world silly? You are but a Witcher." This is not nearly the insurmountable challenge many seem to think. I think people just keep trying to tell themselves it's impossible because they are biased and don't want to see it...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 12, 2018 21:08:23 GMT
I will also add this. Mike Laidlaw said if Witcher 3 came out first, DAI would have probably more closely resembled TW3. Now he didn't exactly elaborate on what he meant by that, however, what is something Witcher 3 successfully pulled off? 2 playable characters. Both of those characters arguably were the main characters. Yes, Geralt got VASTLY more screen time, but I don't think anyone whose played TW3 to completion can argue that Ciri was not treated like the Co-Star. You play as her on several occasions, you can even select what dialogues shes says in these sections. She is without question more important to the plot and it's resolution than Geralt by light years. "What do you know about saving the world silly? You are but a Witcher." This is not nearly the insurmountable challenge many seem to think. I think people just keep trying to tell themselves it's impossible because they are biased and don't want to see it... How did they handle scenes when they were together? Could you choose the dialogue of both or only one?
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 12, 2018 21:20:37 GMT
I will also add this. Mike Laidlaw said if Witcher 3 came out first, DAI would have probably more closely resembled TW3. Now he didn't exactly elaborate on what he meant by that, however, what is something Witcher 3 successfully pulled off? 2 playable characters. Both of those characters arguably were the main characters. Yes, Geralt got VASTLY more screen time, but I don't think anyone whose played TW3 to completion can argue that Ciri was not treated like the Co-Star. You play as her on several occasions, you can even select what dialogues shes says in these sections. She is without question more important to the plot and it's resolution than Geralt by light years. "What do you know about saving the world silly? You are but a Witcher." This is not nearly the insurmountable challenge many seem to think. I think people just keep trying to tell themselves it's impossible because they are biased and don't want to see it... How did they handle scenes when they were together? Could you choose the dialogue of both or only one? Well, given how many of the scenes where they are together, involve them talking to EACH OTHER, no, you only pick Geralts lines, because talking to yourself via dialogue selections is just clunky and ridiculous.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 12, 2018 21:22:35 GMT
How did they handle scenes when they were together? Could you choose the dialogue of both or only one? Well, given how many of the scenes where they are together, involve them talking to EACH OTHER, no, you only pick Geralts lines, because talking to yourself via dialogue selections is just clunky and ridiculous. Eh, that doesn’t fill me with much confidence then since that means the main problem I have will still exist.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 12, 2018 21:27:00 GMT
However, I cannot help but think. Had Bioware seen TW3 pull this off before hand, they would have realized this was feasible. So maybe, just maybe, when time came to "change DAI based on TW3" as Laidlaw said. Then maybe, they would have drastically changed Hawkes cameo, made it so we controlled Hawke and chose their dialogues in segregated sections, and have those choices impact the tone of their Auto-Dialogue in those situations where we lose control.
This can still possibly be the case for DA4, who knows.
Edit: But there is one thing I know for sure. whether anyone likes it or not. The Witcher 3 changed gaming, and RPGs in particular forever. Almost every other game is now Open World, and all of those games tries very hard to imitate The Witcher 3's style. Which is ironically even more hilarious, since the same industry that so desperately tries to copy it, is the same one that insists Single Player games suck and are a dead end, despite the fact those same single player games keep smashing sales records and winning all the awards.
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Post by Zatche on Dec 13, 2018 15:20:43 GMT
I wonder if, instead of working directly for the Inquistion, we might have our own backstory but end up with working with Inquisition agents to stop Solas. Assuming we still have the Keep to keep our World State going, someone like Harding could be a companion sent by the Inquisitor and be a conduit for what your Inquisitor's beliefs were. (Harding seems like she would support whichever choices the Inquisitor made at the end of Trespasser).
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Post by Blaze on Dec 15, 2018 22:56:03 GMT
i don't want to play an inquisition agent, that's just a step down. playing a mercenary would be nice. also i'm not as thrilled about the dual protagonist. honestly after the teaser i have given it a lot of thought and decided that while i think it's important bioware will handle the inquisitor well in the next game (they did handle hawke well in inquisition at least), i would much rather play a new character.
heck, playing ben hasserath or an agent of fen'harel would be much more interesting.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 15, 2018 23:52:56 GMT
i don't want to play an inquisition agent, that's just a step down. playing a mercenary would be nice. also i'm not as thrilled about the dual protagonist. honestly after the teaser i have given it a lot of thought and decided that while i think it's important bioware will handle the inquisitor well in the next game ( they did handle hawke well in inquisition at least), i would much rather play a new character. heck, playing ben hasserath or an agent of fen'harel would be much more interesting.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 16, 2018 0:16:21 GMT
i don't want to play an inquisition agent, that's just a step down. playing a mercenary would be nice. also i'm not as thrilled about the dual protagonist. honestly after the teaser i have given it a lot of thought and decided that while i think it's important bioware will handle the inquisitor well in the next game ( they did handle hawke well in inquisition at least), i would much rather play a new character. heck, playing ben hasserath or an agent of fen'harel would be much more interesting. *shrugs* it would be for me. i'm not going to give any speculation on the matter anyway, not untill we get more info. i will say this however: whatever solas is planing, going to effect the entire world, so the inquisitor don't get exclusivity on the matter of dealing with him.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 16, 2018 0:23:08 GMT
*shrugs* it would be for me. i'm not going to give any speculation on the matter anyway, not untill we get more info. i will say this however: whatever solas is planing, going to effect the entire world, so the inquisitor don't get exclusivity on the matter of dealing with him. I was merely commenting on them handling Hawke well in DAI. I don’t think they could have gotten my Hawke more wrong if they tried. And I never said they get exclusivity. They can use a new protagonist but my argument is if they go so it will not have nearly the same potential since it reduces it to just another crazy mage trying to destroy the world as well as leaving things with DAI and the Inquisitor in such a state as to ruin both things.
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Post by phoray on Dec 16, 2018 1:58:45 GMT
ith DAI and the Inquisitor in such a state as to ruin both things. The romance would certainly lose it's luster entirely if it was completely dropped altogether.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 16, 2018 2:10:23 GMT
ith DAI and the Inquisitor in such a state as to ruin both things. The romance would certainly lose it's luster entirely if it was completely dropped altogether. Well, it is only one of eight romances... 👀 That said I don't think it will be dropped like a hot potato or anything. People had the same worries about Morrigan's romance at the end of Origins, then there was Witch Hunt and acknowledgment of the romance in DAI.
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Post by phoray on Dec 16, 2018 2:13:24 GMT
The romance would certainly lose it's luster entirely if it was completely dropped altogether. Well, it is only one of eight romances... 👀 That said I don't think it will be dropped like a hot potato or anything. People had the same worries about Morrigan's romance at the end of Origins, then there was Witch Hunt and acknowledgment of the romance in DAI. I guess I was just talking about it from my vantage point. It was a heavily gated tacked on romance with little outside of your own mind to carry it. The only reason it appeals to me at all (the Solas Romance) is the GRAND DRAMA that is hunting down and possibly executing someone who holds your heart so tightly it would be like killing yourself to save the world. So if it doesn't have that sort of resolution, all of the appeal goes right out the window.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 16, 2018 2:24:01 GMT
Well, it is only one of eight romances... 👀 That said I don't think it will be dropped like a hot potato or anything. People had the same worries about Morrigan's romance at the end of Origins, then there was Witch Hunt and acknowledgment of the romance in DAI. I guess I was just talking about it from my vantage point. It was a heavily gated tacked on romance with little outside of your own mind to carry it. The only reason it appeals to me at all (the Solas Romance) is the GRAND DRAMA that is hunting down and possibly executing someone who holds your heart so tightly it would be like killing yourself to save the world. So if it doesn't have that sort of resolution, all of the appeal goes right out the window. Oh, I get it. I think there's just this perspective in the fandom - at least here and on Reddit - that Solas's romance is more... canon? Important? I don't know how to say it because I'm not dissing those who are invested in his romance and want that sweet anguished resolution, it's just not the only thing that matters.
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Post by Starfang on Dec 16, 2018 7:56:51 GMT
I'd rather just play a brand new protagonist, whoever or whatever they'll be. I say limit the appearances from the Inquisitor to minute in-game references and letter exchanges, no more.
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Post by setecastronomy on Dec 16, 2018 13:08:40 GMT
Let's not forget that Bioware was going to make Hawke the main character of this entire franchise going forward, and only changed their minds about this because DA2 bombed so hard. Bioware is not above bringing a character back. Never mind that I fundamentally disagree with the philosophy of "New character every game no matter what". That to me is an idiotic mindset to have when creating stories. If Bioware truly cannot see how the ending of Trespasser begs for the Inquisitors return, then I seriously question their abilities of perception. But it doesn't beg for Inquisitor to return as a PROTAGONIST. But it does beg for the option to allow my new protag to bang my Inquisitor.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 16, 2018 13:14:26 GMT
But it doesn't beg for Inquisitor to return as a PROTAGONIST. But it does beg for the option to allow my new protag to bang my Inquisitor. .. yes, I agree.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 16, 2018 18:34:20 GMT
I don't want to be my own errand boy/girl, that's just weird. Not any weirder that your Inquisitor in DAI, I'd imagine. Talk about errand boy/girl! "Go hunt some meat for these poor starving refugees!" My agents seemed to have a blast with all those operations I sent them on from the War Table. Hell, I was envious! They seemed to be doing more fun stuff than I was at times. Besides, not all of those agents would do exactly what I told them to do. Some seemed to have a mind of their own. Who woulda figured that elite operatives could adapt to changing situations and improvise on the fly? And even the noobs, like Sutherland, got better and started making their own decisions, even if it did get them into trouble. So, overall, I think it could be fun being an agent of the Shadow Inquisition. I certainly don't think it would be a handcuffed and follow-orders kind of gig, well, anymore than it already has been for previous protagonists. About the 50/50, yeah I agree, I don't see the point in doing that. Even 90/10 (with 10% being your Inquisitor or whatever) would seem weird. The only way I could see this working is if the Inquisitor portion (or whatever) is cutscenes/NPC talk only, no actual gameplay or decision making.
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Post by arwynvalya on Dec 16, 2018 18:42:43 GMT
I see the next protagonist being like someone who happens to be useful for the inquisition, but who will have the choice to go along with them or go against (or at least, not agree with their goals). But they will definately have some tie to the Inquisition, since:
1. No one knows more about Solas than the Inquisition and our new character must have access to that knowledge (or at least _some_ knowledge) to decide what will be done 2. Since we will go after egghead for whatever reason, it is only logical we will stumble upon the Inquisition at some point
While the Inquisition may be important, I wouldnt want to see them taking too much space in the new game. From what I have seen from the end of Trespasser, I think the devs will focus more on a small party (old Origins fashion) with outside help rather than a massive organized approach. Solas would easily see a big group coming and he knows the Inquisition, thus, I dont see a lot of advantages in trying to give them the protagonism again.
I could see them sending someone like Harding to help us, and staying more on the background. I dont see us as an Inquisition agent simply because I think it would make us too "tied" to their goals/ideals/choices.
As for that Co-protagonism, a big nono. We have seen enough of the Inquisitor as players, plus Bioware made me get used to the idea of someone new each game. And two main characters would be too much to manage, as well as more variables that would make the job more difficult for devs to get right. I would like to see Inky and HoF again, just not as playable characters. And as a final note, I think that if the devs go with the small secretive party approach, a 50/50 protagonism would just not be nice. Seriously. With single protagonism we could have much deeper and meaningful stories amongst the party members, while adding another main would be too much work to do and would take that "deepness" aspect out of the characters' relations.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 16, 2018 18:46:33 GMT
However, I cannot help but think. Had Bioware seen TW3 pull this off before hand, they would have realized this was feasible. I have to disagree with this. I personally found playable Ciri a ginormous disappointment. I'm biased by the books, but I think I can safely say that whatever is causing people to cling to their Inquisitor's story and character is analogous to how I felt about Ciri from the books, and the dual-play in TW3 did not do justice to Ciri. By a long, long chalk. Playing Ciri felt like playing a crippled character. It didn't help that they railroaded the hell out of the Ciri segments. You basically were an actor in a prewritten scene with no agency. Even her final fate didn't depend on her own choices, they depended entirely on Geralt's!
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 16, 2018 18:58:52 GMT
Just caught up with the thread. There's a big assumption that the protagonist in DA4 will take orders from the Inquisitor of DAI, but why would that be so? It looked to me like my Inq was handing off operations to someone Solas wouldn't know.
Leliana: Solas knows everything about us. Who we are, how we work, out strengths and weaknesses ...
Inquisitor: Then we find people he doesn't know.
If they were smart, the entire Inner Circle would be laying down a smokescreen to disinform Solas's agents. Give fake orders to fake operatives to run the spies in circles. Meanwhile, the real leadership, as a cut-out (no contact with the Inner Circle), would be calling the shots.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 16, 2018 19:45:07 GMT
If the Inky is a protag, at all, it is in cutscenes and dialog. That person has one hand, and not even a Jamie Lannister prosthetic to go with. In this sort of a combat game, lol nope Inky's done "fighting", definitely done on the front line.
That sort of limitation, makes Inky an NPC in the next game. Their story isn't finished, but their starring role is. If this was Cyberdragon 2:77, maybe Inky gets another go.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 16, 2018 19:53:23 GMT
The whole '' Inquisitor gets one of their arms chopped off '' really just sounds like a way not to bring them back as a protagonist. Why would they deliberately take on of their arms, if not for that?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 16, 2018 19:55:32 GMT
The whole '' Inquisitor gets one of their arms chopped off '' really just sounds like a way not to bring them back as a protagonist. Why would they deliberately take on of their arms, if not for that? There are many reasons. Serve as a permanent reminder, could come back as something connected to the plot, reset their power, etc. For example Luke lost his hand only to get a new one a few minutes later but that loss certainly came up in the story later.
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