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Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2018 23:26:01 GMT
.....working for the Inquisition/Secret Inquistion in DA4 would be a GOOD thing?
Because it sounds awful. At least Hawke was a relatively free agent when it came to which jobs they took. I don't want to be my own errand boy/girl, that's just weird.
Quit hitting yourself.
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While I'm at it, I issue a challenge. how would a 50/50 split Dual Protaganist work in a way that would make you feel like you actually had the time to develop this new character and romance/friend the people around you? I'm not seeing it.
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Post by alihou on Dec 8, 2018 8:02:34 GMT
I had this idea, that we'd play as the Inquisitor and a new PC. The Inquisitor will be dealing with all the executive stuff, calling the shots, be in cut scenes. while our new pc is an agent, does all the grunt work and is out there in the field doing stuff. I also envisioned our new pc having conversations with our inquisitor (basically having a convo with yourself). the roleplaying opportunities are great imo. Also it gives us direct control in playing as both characters so they feel like our characters and are not forced. I think it's a fascinating idea if it's implemented properly.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 8, 2018 8:13:00 GMT
Honestly it can't really be a 50/50 split I doubt they could pull it off. But alihou is onto something here that I have been thinking because I think, for me, ideally the next Dragon Age will have basically two storylines going on, they will effect one another and be part of the same story, but you will have a higher meta level narrative which will be Solas V Inquisition. This will be the politics and the nation building and the moving around of chess pieces by bigger powers. And then you will have the down to Earth Hawke level narrative which will focus on our protagonist and the Qunari v Tevinter war. Now the protagonist, the new one, will still have a role to play to stopping Solas but the Solas plot will be the backdrop for the grand theater.
So I think while the character will have a very vested interest in stopping Solas...but that does not mean they have to think the Inquisition is playing with a full deck either.
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Post by Sah291 on Dec 11, 2018 20:14:41 GMT
.....working for the Inquisition/Secret Inquistion in DA4 would be a GOOD thing? Because it sounds awful. At least Hawke was a relatively free agent when it came to which jobs they took. I don't want to be my own errand boy/girl, that's just weird. Quit hitting yourself. .... While I'm at it, I issue a challenge. how would a 50/50 split Dual Protaganist work in a way that would make you feel like you actually had the time to develop this new character and romance/friend the people around you? I'm not seeing it. I agree, I would prefer to just have the Inquisitior in that scenario. If new PC is going to be working for the Inquisitior/Inquisition as an agent anyway, why not just make Inquisitor the protagonist? Unless Inquisitior takes on an NPC role or cameo that we don't actually control, I suppose. I'd probably still find that a little frustrating, to be honest. However, the games with multiple protagonists that I've liked have tended to start out with characters in different places/settings, with different goals, and then storylines would eventually converge. In this case you might not know how some of your actions as each character might play out and effect one another later on. I could see a scenario like that being interesting. As far as 50/50 character development and romances/companions go, it obviously couldn't be as lengthy and fleshed out as it could be with a single protagonist only. They would have to really go for quality over quantity, which could be a good thing, depending how you look at it. My first preference is for the Inquisitior as PC, even though I think its unlikely, but we'll see!
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Post by bshep on Dec 11, 2018 21:30:57 GMT
I prefer the idea of the free agent who chooses which missions (and factions) he or she is going to do.
I believe it would fit better with the idea of a low profile while searching for Solas and giving he players the chance to decide which side you are on.
I think the ex-Inquisitor will be a big NPC but not the protagonist.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2018 22:14:30 GMT
I think the ex-Inquisitor will be a big NPC but not the protagonist. Please no.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 11, 2018 23:16:32 GMT
I don’t think a 50/50 split would work, both because of the resources involved and it would leave the new protagonist with very little space to come into their own.
Better to give the Inquisitor a limited selection of missions taking place as the new protagonist reaches major story beats. They will advance the plot on their end and take part in high level decision making with Dorian, possibly setting goals for the new protagonist (Which they may or may not stray from).
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 11, 2018 23:37:06 GMT
Honestly I'd like to know the percentage of Inquisitors that didn't romance anyone, because if Inquisitor is coming back, I can't imagine many people going for a new romance, and then allocating a lot of time and muny on a feature that'll be mostly collecting dust because most Inquisitors already have their beau, seems so-so.
Of course the answer to this is fuk new romances, to which I answer fuk u.
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Post by twalicious on Dec 11, 2018 23:38:26 GMT
Yes, it does sound weird and I dislike it. It's like the opposite of a promotion where you're taking orders from your own Inquisitor; the same Inquisitor that you played and bonded with in DAI ....... just no. Just let us play the Inquisitor or give us a whole new protag. None of this inbetween business.
Edit: Not saying if we do have a new protag, that the Inquisitor shouldn't make appearances. Just don't want to be under the Inquisition taking orders from the Inky. That's what's strange.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2018 23:43:25 GMT
Honestly I'd like to know the percentage of Inquisitors that didn't romance anyone, because if Inquisitor is coming back, I can't imagine many people going for a new romance, and then allocating a lot of time and muny on a feature that'll be mostly collecting dust because most Inquisitors already have their beau, seems so-so. Of course the answer to this is fuk new romances, to which I answer fuk u. I’d play as an Inqythat didn’t romance anyone if there were LIs and romance paths I liked.
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Post by Sah291 on Dec 12, 2018 16:46:25 GMT
Honestly I'd like to know the percentage of Inquisitors that didn't romance anyone, because if Inquisitor is coming back, I can't imagine many people going for a new romance, and then allocating a lot of time and muny on a feature that'll be mostly collecting dust because most Inquisitors already have their beau, seems so-so. Of course the answer to this is fuk new romances, to which I answer fuk u. If the Inquisitior came back as protagonist (which is a pretty big if), I'd imagine they'd handle it a lot like the continuing romances in the Mass Effect trilogy. You could continue with returning companions, but some would have more or less content, and some might be small cameos only, to make room for new companions/characters. In DAI, some romances got more content, and some had more or less satisfying endings than others. A few were left open ended or could be dead, etc. That trend will probably continue, the more romances options they add.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 12, 2018 17:15:17 GMT
The dual-protag discussion comes back every few months, and it's an interesting read, but before anyone gets too carried away I just want remind everyone of BWs stance of wanting a new protag for each new game. And they have never backed away from that stance from what I've seen. In a GDC talk, they (again) reiterated that the goal of Trespasser was to conclusively tie-off the protagonist.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 12, 2018 17:21:05 GMT
The dual-protag discussion comes back every few months, and it's an interesting read, but before anyone gets too carried away I just want remind everyone of BWs stance of wanting a new protag for each new game. And they have never backed away from that stance from what I've seen. In a GDC talk, they (again) reiterated that the goal of Trespasser was to conclusively tie-off the protagonist. If so, to Bioware I say
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Post by Sah291 on Dec 12, 2018 17:42:10 GMT
Yes, I was all for a brand new protagonist 100% until Tresspaser happened, lol, and suddenly Quizzy became that much more interesting that I wanted to find out what happens to her next.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 12, 2018 18:00:35 GMT
The dual-protag discussion comes back every few months, and it's an interesting read, but before anyone gets too carried away I just want remind everyone of BWs stance of wanting a new protag for each new game. And they have never backed away from that stance from what I've seen. In a GDC talk, they (again) reiterated that the goal of Trespasser was to conclusively tie-off the protagonist. If so, to Bioware I say TBH I think that' a matter of interpretation though because at the end of the game my Inquisitor's do pretty much say my own adventuring days are done regardless of whether the Inquisition stays or disbands and with only one full working arm now I can't really disagree.I think they just left an opening if they wanted to bring them back in the future but not necessarily confirm it. But I think it's more likely that at best we'll only see them in a side missions/questline much like we did with Hawke.. Before anyone jumps on me though I'm not against the idea of the Inquisitor coming back as the protag I just feel it's unlikely due to the way DA's stories are usually written
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TBH I think that' a matter of interpretation though because at the end of the game my Inquisitor's do pretty much say my own adventuring days are done regardless of whether the Inquisition stays or disbands and with only one full working arm now I can't really disagree.I think they just left an opening if they wanted to bring them back in the future but not necessarily confirm it. But I think it's more likely that at best we'll only see them in a side missions/questline much like we did with Hawke.. Before anyone jumps on me though I'm not against the idea of the Inquisitor coming back as the protag I just feel it's unlikely due to the way DA's stories are usually written Yeah, I get why some people really want to see their Inquisitor take on Solas. But, none of my Inquisitors really had much to do with Solas, to be honest. He's one of my most sidelined companions (for some reason, I just don't gel with him -- he really dislikes all of my PCs) and none of them are elves or mages. So while I can certainly see why some Inquisitors (those who were mages; those who were elves; those who romanced Solas; etc.) really want to see closure with Solas, from my personal perspective, I could just as easily see a new protagonist picking up the mantle and moving forward with dealing with him. As long as they provide a solid narrative reason for why the Inquisitor isn't doing it and why the new protag cares, I actually much prefer this. Very similar to how I didn't need Hawke to be the one to take on Corypheus, I don't need the Inquisitor to take on Solas.
If they do have the Inquisitor return (which now seems much less likely thanks to the slide that Hrungr posted, thankfully), I can make do with that. I'll be disappointed, for sure. But it's not a deal breaker for me since I really do like my Inquisitor. But I do hope that they continue their tradition and give us a new PC in the new game. It's honestly one of my favorite aspects of the series. And I have faith that the DA writing team (who have really be outstanding overall) will be sure to provide us with a solid plot that makes sense and sets up the story for success.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 12, 2018 18:55:54 GMT
TBH I think that' a matter of interpretation though because at the end of the game my Inquisitor's do pretty much say my own adventuring days are done regardless of whether the Inquisition stays or disbands and with only one full working arm now I can't really disagree.I think they just left an opening if they wanted to bring them back in the future but not necessarily confirm it. But I think it's more likely that at best we'll only see them in a side missions/questline much like we did with Hawke.. Before anyone jumps on me though I'm not against the idea of the Inquisitor coming back as the protag I just feel it's unlikely due to the way DA's stories are usually written Yeah, I get why some people really want to see their Inquisitor take on Solas. But, none of my Inquisitors really had much to do with Solas, to be honest. He's one of my most sidelined companions (for some reason, I just don't gel with him -- he really dislikes all of my PCs) and none of them are elves or mages. So while I can certainly see why some Inquisitors (those who were mages; those who were elves; those who romanced Solas; etc.) really want to see closure with Solas, from my personal perspective, I could just as easily see a new protagonist picking up the mantle and moving forward with dealing with him. As long as they provide a solid narrative reason for why the Inquisitor isn't doing it and why the new protag cares, I actually much prefer this. Very similar to how I didn't need Hawke to be the one to take on Corypheus, I don't need the Inquisitor to take on Solas.
If they do have the Inquisitor return (which now seems much less likely thanks to the slide that Hrungr posted, thankfully), I can make do with that. I'll be disappointed, for sure. But it's not a deal breaker for me since I really do like my Inquisitor. But I do hope that they continue their tradition and give us a new PC in the new game. It's honestly one of my favorite aspects of the series. And I have faith that the DA writing team (who have really be outstanding overall) will be sure to provide us with a solid plot that makes sense and sets up the story for success. Yeah in my case I'm not really for or against the Inquisitor's return and whilst I don't use Solas much beyond the initial stages of the game that's more due to my quizzy being a mage themselves so therefore normally they're playing the role Solas plays within the team anyway rather than not liking him. I think most of my quizzy's respected him even if they don't like his idea of an end goal. I do tend to use either him or Viv more when I'm playing a non mage though
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 12, 2018 19:04:24 GMT
Let's not forget that Bioware was going to make Hawke the main character of this entire franchise going forward, and only changed their minds about this because DA2 bombed so hard. Bioware is not above bringing a character back.
Never mind that I fundamentally disagree with the philosophy of "New character every game no matter what". That to me is an idiotic mindset to have when creating stories. If Bioware truly cannot see how the ending of Trespasser begs for the Inquisitors return, then I seriously question their abilities of perception.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 12, 2018 19:21:13 GMT
Let's not forget that Bioware was going to make Hawke the main character of this entire franchise going forward, and only changed their minds about this because DA2 bombed so hard. Bioware is not above bringing a character back. Never mind that I fundamentally disagree with the philosophy of "New character every game no matter what". That to me is an idiotic mindset to have when creating stories. If Bioware truly cannot see how the ending of Trespasser begs for the Inquisitors return, then I seriously question their abilities of perception. But it doesn't beg for Inquisitor to return as a PROTAGONIST.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 12, 2018 19:22:22 GMT
Let's not forget that Bioware was going to make Hawke the main character of this entire franchise going forward, and only changed their minds about this because DA2 bombed so hard. Bioware is not above bringing a character back. Never mind that I fundamentally disagree with the philosophy of "New character every game no matter what". That to me is an idiotic mindset to have when creating stories. If Bioware truly cannot see how the ending of Trespasser begs for the Inquisitors return, then I seriously question their abilities of perception. But it doesn't beg for Inquisitor to return as a PROTAGONIST. For some like myself it absolutely does.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 12, 2018 19:24:27 GMT
But it doesn't beg for Inquisitor to return as a PROTAGONIST. For some like myself it absolutely does. For some like myself it absolutely does not.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 12, 2018 19:34:32 GMT
I too have to admit that if anything, Trespasser left me more with an impression that the Inquisitor's story was not finished and that he/she would be returning to chase Solas down to resolve unfinished business. *cue stabbing Tevinter with a knife!* it is the Inquisitors determination to see this through. Not anyone else. After all, it was the Inquisition that was blamed for the Qunari in Trespasser. You really think the Inquisitor would just jump ship from it all? Hells nah. The Inquisitor is already too involved in the core plot of DA4.
Beyond the Inquisitors obvious connection and interest in Thedas' fate and his/her ties to Solas, are these key phrases:
"Then we find people he doesn't know."-Inquisitor *WE* being the keyword here. It sounds obvious the Inquisitor intends himself/herself to scout out new people who can help save the world again and bring Solas down.
"We will save our friend from himself, if we can." -Inquisitor 'We' again. The Inquisitor has full intentions to not rest or sit idly by. NOT pass the torch on to someone else who doesn't even know Solas and his reasonings for his intentions.
"So you've found me at last. I suspect you have questions." -Solas This was in Trespasser and in the teaser. It only makes sense if that is directed at the Inquisitor since Solas said that to the Inquisitor and the Inquisitor alone. Anyone else and it falls flat.
In the midst of all this, and like I said in another thread: while DA is known for going through protagonists like a child going through crayons, BioWare is also known for sticking with their protagonist through multiple games: Commander Shepard. It wouldn't be too abrupt or odd to keep the Inquisitor for two DA games to magnify the atmosphere and setting of the game.
In short, the Inquisitor has far too much influence not just in Orlais and Ferelden, but in all of Thedas for it all to just go to waste. It would be a missed opportunity to bypass the Inquisitor for some new random newb. I think all this does merit the Inquisitor to return as the protagonist of DA4.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 12, 2018 19:59:33 GMT
Again, let's not forget the Hawke thing. Their original plan, their original tagline was "Rise to Power". Myself and many others, back on the old forum, speculated that this implied that DA2 would be Hawke rising to power, and DA3 would be Hawke exercising this power they have risen to. Hawke was destined to be "The most important person in the history of Thedas". They would change the world. It was constantly shoved down our throats how unbelievably important Hawke was going to be. Dragon Age was going to be Hawkes story, just like Mass Effect was Shepards story.
DA2 bombed, and in typical Bioware fashion, rather than fix the problems for the next game, they just scrap and gut everything and start over. Now I'll be the first to admit that I don't really like DA2 at all. But even I can admit that for a game that was cobbled together in 18 months, there was a lot of potential and promise to be found, and I honestly weep for the Dragon Age 2 that we could have had if Bioware had enough time to actually get a real go of it. With that being said, maybe, just maybe, Bioware never really abandoned their plan, they just changed who the chosen one is. The stand in they made to take Hawkes place in the story. Because honestly, DAI was Hawkes story imo, and I feel it would have been a superior game if Hawke was the Inquisitor. I say that as someone who didn't like DA2 and does not really like Hawke all that much.
The Exalted March DLC would have truly given us the Mage/Templar war a lot of people were hoping for. Instead it was canned, and what work they had done was thrown into the first act of DAI, hence why it feels so rushed and and underwhelming. The damage caused by EA rushing DA2 so damn hard has truly rippled so very far...My point is, from my perspective, the way the story has been written, it's as if they kept going as if Hawke was still The Guy, they just changed Hawkes name to "Inquisitor" in terms of script. DAI felt like it should have been Hawke, and Trespasser feels like it should still be the the character from DAI, who should have been Hawke...
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 12, 2018 20:01:46 GMT
The fact that the Inquisition can be either disbanded or kept intact makes it difficult for me to understand how Inquisitor as the protagonist would work. If you keep the Inquisition, you'll have to deal with Inquisition stuff and a lot of political bs, and Solas has that many more eyes on you, rather than when you disband the Inquisition and work incognito. It's like playing two completely different stories.
While Trespasser had Solas connect Inquisitor to DA4, it also hacked off one of their arm and revealed the messaging crystals through Dorian (who is going back to Tevinter), both things that tell me that hey, Inquisitor doesn't need to be around to lead the charge against Solas outside of giving orders.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 12, 2018 20:09:44 GMT
The fact that the Inquisition can be either disbanded or kept intact makes it difficult for me to understand how Inquisitor as the protagonist would work. If you keep the Inquisition, you'll have to deal with Inquisition stuff and a lot of political bs, and Solas has that many more eyes on you, rather than when you disband the Inquisition and work incognito. It's like playing two completely different stories. While Trespasser had Solas connect Inquisitor to DA4, it also hacked off one of their arm and revealed the messaging crystals through Dorian (who is going back to Tevinter), both things that tell me that hey, Inquisitor doesn't need to be around to lead the charge against Solas outside of giving orders. Well, given how Bioware has a talent for minimizing the impact of our choices (sometimes outright ignoring them). I really don't see the Inquisition thing being a problem. The Inquisition had and has no presence in Tevinter, them being disbanded or not would not change this fact. If it's not disbanded, Solas knows a few secrets your trying to hide from him, maybe foils a plan or two. if it's disbanded, he does not know as much, but maybe you still fail those one or two operations simply because now you lack the resources the Inquisition would have given you. it's really not that hard to get away with this. I know people keep acting like our choices are always these giant world shattering things...but I think Bioware has proven that when a sequal is involved...no, they typically really aren't that big a deal.
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