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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 7, 2019 8:04:18 GMT
Things are looking good for EA as the 'lootbox-stuffed' Apex Legends looks to be a hit.
The only tricky part is that it'll push the MTX vs game sales proportion (heading towards 80%) off guidance, but profit is profit...
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Post by PillarBiter on Feb 7, 2019 11:11:48 GMT
Things are looking good for EA as the 'lootbox-stuffed' Apex Legends looks to be a hit. The only tricky part is that it'll push the MTX vs game sales proportion (heading towards 80%) off guidance, but profit is profit... As long as it's cosmetic, they can add all the MTX they want.
Provided, of course, they keep their promise of continued content...
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 7, 2019 11:46:42 GMT
Things are looking good for EA as the 'lootbox-stuffed' Apex Legends looks to be a hit. The only tricky part is that it'll push the MTX vs game sales proportion (heading towards 80%) off guidance, but profit is profit... Make Anthem F2P like AL and maybe that will work. This has no bearing on EA's outlook - Battlefront wasn't F2P. Comparing dimes to doughnuts.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 7, 2019 16:36:56 GMT
That’s why I said narrative, which is everything other than the financials, which are regulated. I’m talking about bs like blaming putting SP first as to why BFV missed targets. That’s pure spin. Technically I think what they said about the SP is that they delayed the game, and instead of using that extra time to finish the Battle Royale mode and have it ready for launch, they used it to shore up the SP campaign. The assumption, it seems, is that if the Battle Royale mode had been ready at launch that BF5 might have had a better reception/more active player-base. Of course that could be spin, but I think the point is not that SP focus hurt the game, only that that focus deprived the game of a potentially attractive and lucrative feature at launch. It's spin because 1) it supports their stupid "nobody likes SP anymore" narrative, and 2) they could have made exactly the same point without referring to SP -- "We decided to hold back Battle Royale in order to make our announced ship date, and that had a negative impact on sales." If asked by analysts as to why, the prepared answer would be, "It was a judgment call based on the mix of content we thought would sell best." It's a general rule, in earnings narratives, to give as little specific detail about judgment calls as possible, because you may have to make that same judgment call again in the future. When you see a very concrete reason given for a judgment call that goes negative, you can bet there is an ulterior motive.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 7, 2019 16:45:27 GMT
That’s why I said narrative, which is everything other than the financials, which are regulated. I’m talking about bs like blaming putting SP first as to why BFV missed targets. That’s pure spin. I've recently gained position in my company where I am now subject to yearly financial reports, and - more interestingly - the precursor meetings to the public showing. Well that was an eye opener. Similar story for me, except I was working on the reality and I saw how that got translated into earnings report narrative. I agree that spin is not intrinsicaly evil -- sometimes the spin actually "did the right thing" in terms of customer value and protecting the company from unfair competition. Analysts don't give a shit about customer value, they just want their earnings models to be better than their competitors. Actually, something I find pretty entertaining listening to quarterly earnings calls is when the CEO or COO goes off script and gets cut-off by the CFO, because what the CEO/COO was saying or was about to say was going to get them in hot water one way or the other.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 16:45:48 GMT
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 7, 2019 16:52:42 GMT
Second sentence of the linked article? "Respawn’s Titanfall-but-BR-but-without-Titans is something of an instant hit, attracting fans from all over to the free game that plays smoothly and is more fun than you might imagine."
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 7, 2019 16:56:04 GMT
"Hit" more in terms of player engagement and "Hype!". I read that article as well and it just reinforced why I never spent a dime on randomized loot boxes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 16:57:13 GMT
Second sentence of the linked article? "Respawn’s Titanfall-but-BR-but-without-Titans is something of an instant hit, attracting fans from all over to the free game that plays smoothly and is more fun than you might imagine." Ok? That doesn't mean the "Loot Boxes" are the reason for the instant hit which was what I was replying too but maybe I read that wrong... I know the game is a hit overall and have stated as such in previous post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 16:58:57 GMT
"Hit" more in terms of player engagement and "Hype!". I read that article as well and it just reinforced why I never spent a dime on randomized loot boxes. I guess I did read his quote wrong then. My bad!
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 7, 2019 17:01:53 GMT
Second sentence of the linked article? "Respawn’s Titanfall-but-BR-but-without-Titans is something of an instant hit, attracting fans from all over to the free game that plays smoothly and is more fun than you might imagine." Ok? That doesn't mean the "Loot Boxes" are the reason for the instant hit which was what I was replying too but maybe I read that wrong... Oh, I see. I don't think Sofa was saying it's a hit because of lootboxes. I took it as more being a hit despite there being lootboxes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 17:05:49 GMT
Ok? That doesn't mean the "Loot Boxes" are the reason for the instant hit which was what I was replying too but maybe I read that wrong... Oh, I see. I don't think Sofa was saying it's a hit because of lootboxes. I took it as more being a hit despite there being lootboxes. The more I read the more I realize I took it out of context. It just seems to be an odd way of phrasing it...
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 7, 2019 17:10:21 GMT
Technically I think what they said about the SP is that they delayed the game, and instead of using that extra time to finish the Battle Royale mode and have it ready for launch, they used it to shore up the SP campaign. The assumption, it seems, is that if the Battle Royale mode had been ready at launch that BF5 might have had a better reception/more active player-base. Of course that could be spin, but I think the point is not that SP focus hurt the game, only that that focus deprived the game of a potentially attractive and lucrative feature at launch. It's spin because 1) it supports their stupid "nobody likes SP anymore" narrative,Big Snip
It does, however, indicate EA's future gaming focus = no SP, imo. This implies ill tidings for DA4 or a future ME RPG games.... especially if you look at the abysmal DAIMP design.
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Post by H0RSE on Feb 7, 2019 17:48:07 GMT
Things are looking good for EA as the 'lootbox-stuffed' Apex Legends looks to be a hit. The only tricky part is that it'll push the MTX vs game sales proportion (heading towards 80%) off guidance, but profit is profit... yes, but the argument then will be that Apex Legends is a free game, and Anthem is full, retail price.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 7, 2019 17:51:11 GMT
It's spin because 1) it supports their stupid "nobody likes SP anymore" narrative,Big Snip
It does, however, indicate EA's future gaming focus = no SP, imo. This implies ill tidings for DA4 or a future ME RPG games.... especially if you look at the abysmal DAIMP design.
The performance of the SP linear Star Wars game they are releasing later this year will be interesting to see regarding this.
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Post by jackdaniel on Feb 7, 2019 17:59:33 GMT
It's spin because 1) it supports their stupid "nobody likes SP anymore" narrative,Big Snip
It does, however, indicate EA's future gaming focus = no SP, imo. This implies ill tidings for DA4 or a future ME RPG games.... especially if you look at the abysmal DAIMP design.
That is my concern as well. If a CEO tells the investors that earning is down because SP isnt making money, how can the CEO go on and make more SP game w/o looking like either a massive idiot or a massive fraud? He can't, he can only double down on massive multiplayer games and hope to jesus that those doesnt flop.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 7, 2019 18:03:18 GMT
It does, however, indicate EA's future gaming focus = no SP, imo. This implies ill tidings for DA4 or a future ME RPG games.... especially if you look at the abysmal DAIMP design.
The performance of the SP linear Star Wars game they are releasing later this year will be interesting to see regarding this. I kinda wouldn't put it pass them to set some ridiculously high initial sales bar, and if Respawn can't reach it they'll say, "Sorry girl, but I gotta take you out back".
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Post by aznricepuff on Feb 7, 2019 18:26:54 GMT
That is my concern as well. If a CEO tells the investors that earning is down because SP isnt making money, how can the CEO go on and make more SP game w/o looking like either a massive idiot or a massive fraud? He can't, he can only double down on massive multiplayer games and hope to jesus that those doesnt flop. I think people are generalizing that quote more than they should. What EA said was said specifically about BFV, and honestly their analysis probably isn't wrong. People don't line up to buy Battlefield for the SP campaigns, and the SP in BFV is mediocre at best; it tries to do some interesting things narratively and there are some fun moments, but the gameplay itself is surprisingly dull for large stretches. If DICE had flipped their priorities and launched BFV with Firestorm and added in the SP later as part of Tides of War (like they did with The Last Tiger), the extra lure of battle royale could very well have increased sales. None of the above necessarily translates to "MP good; SP bad" as a general rule. That would be ludicrous, and I don't think EA is that dumb and reactionary.
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Post by jackdaniel on Feb 7, 2019 18:43:08 GMT
That is my concern as well. If a CEO tells the investors that earning is down because SP isnt making money, how can the CEO go on and make more SP game w/o looking like either a massive idiot or a massive fraud? He can't, he can only double down on massive multiplayer games and hope to jesus that those doesnt flop. I think people are generalizing that quote more than they should. What EA said was said specifically about BFV, and honestly their analysis probably isn't wrong. People don't line up to buy Battlefield for the SP campaigns, and the SP in BFV is mediocre at best; it tries to do some interesting things narratively and there are some fun moments, but the gameplay itself is surprisingly dull for large stretches. If DICE had flipped their priorities and launched BFV with Firestorm and added in the SP later as part of Tides of War (like they did with The Last Tiger), the extra lure of battle royale could very well have increased sales. None of the above necessarily translates to "MP good; SP bad" as a general rule. That would be ludicrous, and I don't think EA is that dumb and reactionary. sure, maybe thats what he meant to say, buy how will his words be received by his investors, who knows little about gaming but understand cash flow. Its not a stretch to imagine that those people would think he said "MP good, SP bad". Mind you this is the same company would said nobody is intested in linear story game anymore qnd canceled those SP starwars game.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 7, 2019 18:52:36 GMT
The performance of the SP linear Star Wars game they are releasing later this year will be interesting to see regarding this. I kinda wouldn't put it pass them to set some ridiculously high initial sales bar, and if Respawn can't reach it they'll say, "Sorry girl, but I gotta take you out back". I doubt it. I know EA has, some verified some rumor, set some ridiculous standards for their games but I’m inclined to put those down to managerial error rather than malice. Regardless, I don’t think EA can afford to miss any more estimates right around now and I’m not sure but do they have any other games coming in the fall?
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 7, 2019 18:56:06 GMT
It does, however, indicate EA's future gaming focus = no SP, imo. This implies ill tidings for DA4 or a future ME RPG games.... especially if you look at the abysmal DAIMP design.
The performance of the SP linear Star Wars game they are releasing later this year will be interesting to see regarding this. Do we know that it is going to be a linear game?
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Post by bshep on Feb 7, 2019 18:57:36 GMT
Star Wars Fallen was mentioned but there is no release date/window that i remember.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 7, 2019 18:58:24 GMT
With all this talk about BFV campaign being worked on so much, I am downloading BFV now to see what all the noise is about Tell me it won't be just 2-3 hours of set piece action sequences.
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Post by aznricepuff on Feb 7, 2019 19:03:05 GMT
Tell me it won't be just 2-3 hours of set piece action sequences I honestly would have preferred that over what we got, lol. Instead, you get a few set pieces interspersed between too many interminable poorly executed stealth sections. They even manage to somehow squeeze a stealth section into the one where you are a Tiger commander.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 7, 2019 19:03:50 GMT
Star Wars Fallen was mentioned but there is no release date/window that i remember. The headlines I’ve seen say EA announced it for “this fall”
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