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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 21, 2019 23:55:42 GMT
Ign 6.5....
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 22, 2019 0:02:05 GMT
Well, this sucks.
I did want this game to be a runaway smash hit, and I thought their choice of "Dylan" as a codename was interesting - maybe they really were on to something I thought and hoped.
Now, it is just a waiting game for sales figures, and then watching what EA does in reaction.
None of this is good for BioWare, ME or DA. It may be the best possible thing for "AAA" gaming. Kill it with fire. Games are not eggs, ditch the idiotic concept of Triple-A being better. Is giving 110% what you like to give? Good for you, moron; I live in a world where 100% actually means 100%, and giving 110% is an impossibility reserved for "high achieving" idiots. Superlatives in marketing play to the lowest common denominator; strive to be a greater being.
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Post by MediocreOgre on Feb 22, 2019 0:05:14 GMT
63, we're now 10 below ME:A 😅 I mean Andromeda’s score is still more embarrassing. That was the type of game they as a company were supposed to be good at where as Anthem is at least something “new” for them. oh BioWare... I hope for your legacy this was EA being a terrible influence on you and not the most recent example of BW being incapable of keeping themselves in check.
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Post by bakgrind on Feb 22, 2019 0:07:27 GMT
This game was so far off of my radar that I only viewed it as the IP that had to be released before Bioware started to work on projects that I actually cared about.But, even so I am really surprised that it has scored so low. So I have to ask this question is there anyone out there that is really surprised by this out come?
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Post by Heroicmass on Feb 22, 2019 0:10:43 GMT
Time for bioware to schmooze people for favorable reviews. I have played the demo and about 5 hours of early access. Ive enjoyed it so far and decided to buy it. Whether or not it sates my appetite will remain to be seen. Im sure i will get my moneys worth over time.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Feb 22, 2019 0:11:21 GMT
63, we're now 10 below ME:A 😅 I mean Andromeda’s score is still more embarrassing. That was the type of game they as a company were supposed to be good at where as Anthem is at least something “new” for them. oh BioWare... I hope for your legacy this was EA being a terrible influence on you and not the most recent example of BW being incapable of keeping themselves in check. I don't agree, anthem had 7 years and multiple studios helping them, it essentially had more resources and it's still worse. As for the 2nd paragraph, at this point I'm definitely leaning more towards Bioware no longer being competent as they're getting to the point where game after game is mixed or bombing review wise. I can't put it on EA when EA has been more generous with Bioware than any of their other studios when it comes to time given for game development. Inquisition was in the making since DA2, and it had a delay, Andromeda had 5 years and a delay and anthem gets 7 years, it really proves my in point that time alone isn't enough for a good game, you also need devs who know how to use said time. I'll be interested in how anthems development went once the devs open up about it.
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Post by MediocreOgre on Feb 22, 2019 0:29:10 GMT
I mean Andromeda’s score is still more embarrassing. That was the type of game they as a company were supposed to be good at where as Anthem is at least something “new” for them. oh BioWare... I hope for your legacy this was EA being a terrible influence on you and not the most recent example of BW being incapable of keeping themselves in check. I don't agree, anthem had 7 years and multiple studios helping them, it essentially had more resources and it's still worse. As for the 2nd paragraph, at this point I'm definitely leaning more towards Bioware no longer being competent as they're getting to the point where game after game is mixed or bombing review wise. I can't put it on EA when EA has been more generous with Bioware than any of their other studios when it comes to time given for game development. Inquisition was in the making since DA2, and it had a delay, Andromeda had 5 years and a delay and anthem gets 7 years, it really proves my in point that time alone isn't enough for a good game, you also need devs who know how to use said time. I'll be interested in how anthems development went once the devs open up about it. I mean in video games / movies we think more time is good because we equate big budgets (which allow long development times) with quality. Which is just not true. But successful movies these days and even games are designed to simply get a massive audience. Think about that World of Warcraft movie. That thing was mediocre, expensive and had been in development for like a decade. It still was successful even if it was panned by the critics because it harvested a large audience. not saying anything like that will happen in this scenario but inevitably video games will follow the movie route. Anthem reeks of this to me. And I can’t really say BW failing at the cynicism of the new age of cultural production is as embarrassing to me as BW completely failing a beloved IP from the get go and mismanaging it so much 3 years of development got lost because they thought procedurally generated stuff is what people want and not a high quality story. but opinions are opinions. No doubt Anthem is unfortunately a definite dumpster fire though.
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Post by General Mahad on Feb 22, 2019 0:33:18 GMT
My worst rating would have been a 7/10, I never thought the game would get even worse scores.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 22, 2019 0:34:13 GMT
I feel a bit sorry for creative people at BioWare. They just didn't have a chance to prove their talents with Anthem.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 22, 2019 0:37:11 GMT
I feel a bit sorry for creative people at BioWare. They just didn't have a chance to prove their talents with Anthem.
if EA loses enough money maybe they will stop asking for stupid monetizeable games from a studio whose wheelhouse is very VERY far from that and just let them do their thing
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Post by ShadowAngel on Feb 22, 2019 0:47:46 GMT
I feel a bit sorry for creative people at BioWare. They just didn't have a chance to prove their talents with Anthem.
How so? Cause it's Bioware that wanted to do it to begin with.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 22, 2019 0:50:46 GMT
I feel a bit sorry for creative people at BioWare. They just didn't have a chance to prove their talents with Anthem.
How so? Cause it's Bioware that wanted to do it to begin with. ea has pushed projects on devs before. Anthem might gave become a looter shooter because EA demanded it
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Post by ShadowAngel on Feb 22, 2019 0:59:21 GMT
How so? Cause it's Bioware that wanted to do it to begin with. ea has pushed projects on devs before. Anthem might gave become a looter shooter because EA demanded it Maybe or maybe not, I'm not one to make that generalization though, especially when Bioware seemed pretty open on wanting to do something new themselves and anthem fits that. I'm not denying EA could be involved but I also don't see why this couldn't be biowares own doing either🤷🤷 I think people are honestly giving their hopes up if they thought Bioware wanted to do a new IP like mass effect or dragon age, sorry but people like to try something new at some point, maybe that something new doesn't work out or it doesn't interest you but i don't see the point in doing a new IP like what they've done before when they could've just stuck to them in the first place. Anthems not even the first time, I can remember when mass effect was announced and people didn't approve, the difference I see is mass effect actually had people enjoying it to justify it's continuation where as anthem isn't going to last 10 years let alone 5 if this is how it's reception is going to be.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 22, 2019 1:01:46 GMT
ea has pushed projects on devs before. Anthem might gave become a looter shooter because EA demanded it Maybe or maybe not, I'm not one to make that generalization though, especially when Bioware seemed pretty open on wanting to do something new themselves and anthem fits that. I'm not denying EA could be involved but I also don't see why this couldn't be biowares own doing either🤷🤷 I think people are honestly giving their hopes up if they thought Bioware wanted to do a new IP like mass effect or dragon age, sorry but people like to try something new at some point, maybe that something new doesn't work out or it doesn't interest you but i don't see the point in doing a new IP like what they've done before when they could've just stuck to them in the first place. Anthems not even the first time, I can remember when mass effect was announced and people didn't approve, the difference I see is mass effect actually had people enjoying it to justify it's continuation where as anthem isn't going to last 10 years let alone 5 if this is how it's reception is going to be. quite a few things hint at it no proof but theory fits evidence
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Post by ahglock on Feb 22, 2019 1:07:25 GMT
Maybe or maybe not, I'm not one to make that generalization though, especially when Bioware seemed pretty open on wanting to do something new themselves and anthem fits that. I'm not denying EA could be involved but I also don't see why this couldn't be biowares own doing either🤷🤷 I think people are honestly giving their hopes up if they thought Bioware wanted to do a new IP like mass effect or dragon age, sorry but people like to try something new at some point, maybe that something new doesn't work out or it doesn't interest you but i don't see the point in doing a new IP like what they've done before when they could've just stuck to them in the first place. Anthems not even the first time, I can remember when mass effect was announced and people didn't approve, the difference I see is mass effect actually had people enjoying it to justify it's continuation where as anthem isn't going to last 10 years let alone 5 if this is how it's reception is going to be. quite a few things hint at imo proof but theory fits evidence I definitely think it looks like they changed direction at some point. The why I haven’t seen evidence for one way or the other. It could have been EA but it could have been internal.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 22, 2019 1:19:26 GMT
hm... I'm not a fanboy of this game but in all fairness, reviews ought to be based on after the official launched games.
EA with their Premier Access, Early Access and crap access contributed to the loew score, imo.
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Post by sentinel87 on Feb 22, 2019 1:27:20 GMT
I did some more looking around and one source, James Ohlen, Anthem's narative director says Bioware wanted to make this game and EA said sure.
But the Metracritic scores being even markedly lower than Mass Effect Andromeda so far has got to be a blow to the devs.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 22, 2019 1:27:54 GMT
quite a few things hint at imo proof but theory fits evidence I definitely think it looks like they changed direction at some point. The why I haven’t seen evidence for one way or the other. It could have been EA but it could have been internal. ok Pardon the lack of organization but I just binged a double stuffed calzone and 2 liters of diet cream soda... I'm a bit fuzzy First off. EA wanted a looter shooter to get a slice of the destiny pie,vwe all know this. Now, as I said before, even if they they commissioned it to a great studio and landed an amazing game there is always a LARGE chance of the game suffering from the World of warcraft effect (E.G. League of legends is a great game but...my friends play wow so imma keep playing wow...this works with social games of the same genere as long as they are comparable and there is no breakthrough innovation or some such thing) thus keeping the player base way lower than desired especially for a live service game. How do you combat that? By having an established, loyal fanbase. How do you get that? You make Bioware develop the game. Rather than starting from scratch you take the project that are working on and all its assets and have them adapt it to the destiny model. Notice how a LOT of people noticed how BW repeated a lot of destiny mistakes as if they had been designing Anthem using destiny as a model. As if someone just pointed and said... MAKE ME THAT Now...marketing the game as a looter shooter destiny clone would have pissed off the core fanbase that EA needed as established above. So what do you do? You lie (like for instance saying that it will feel like a proper bioware game...and that you have found a way to marry shared world shooters with Bioware storytelling) and then you slowly start telling the truth little by little warming the water gradually (sorry, no romances...oops, no companions....awww no choice and consequences either folks) so the frog does not jump down until it is boiled alive See where I'm going?
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 22, 2019 1:30:02 GMT
hm... I'm not a fanboy of this game but in all fairness, reviews ought to be based on after the official launched games.
EA with their Premier Access, Early Access and crap access contributed to the loew score, imo.
the game has officially launched. It has gone gold and people are playing it. the "day one patch" at this point is an act of desperation....and it is out already apparently not doing much
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 22, 2019 1:31:14 GMT
I did some more looking around and one source, James Ohlen, Anthem's narative director says Bioware wanted to make this game and EA said sure.
But the Metracritic scores being even markedly lower than Mass Effect Andromeda so far has got to be a blow to the devs. I had to lie for my company many times....you think he would be allowed to say "they made us do it"?
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Post by smilesja on Feb 22, 2019 1:40:13 GMT
Try again I have no problem with reviews like the one from arekkz. Arekkz is a shill. He has been hyping Anthem for months, making videos about Anthem, posting gameplay straight from Bioware devs streaming sessions into his youtube channel, getting his views and cashing in. He has a vested interest in Anthem being successful. There is nothing wrong in doing what he does, I would for sure do the same were I in his position. But the point is: Arekkz is not a reviewer, and he is not a source of unbiased opinion. Considering he was critical of some parts of the game hence “despite the issues” I wonder what makes guys like Yongyea then?
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 22, 2019 1:45:09 GMT
Arekkz is a shill. He has been hyping Anthem for months, making videos about Anthem, posting gameplay straight from Bioware devs streaming sessions into his youtube channel, getting his views and cashing in. He has a vested interest in Anthem being successful. There is nothing wrong in doing what he does, I would for sure do the same were I in his position. But the point is: Arekkz is not a reviewer, and he is not a source of unbiased opinion. Considering he was critical of some parts of the game hence “despite the issues” I wonder what makes guys like Yongyea then? IF Arekkz is a shill (spoiler, he's not) Then people like Cleanprince, YongYea etc are nothing short of Hatemongers. I say that as someone who occasionally actually watches a YongYea video.
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 1:50:39 GMT
Considering he was critical of some parts of the game hence “despite the issues” I wonder what makes guys like Yongyea then? IF Arekkz is a shill (spoiler, he's not) Then people like Cleanprince, YongYea etc are nothing short of Hatemongers. I say that as someone who occasionally actually watches a YongYea video. YongYea is a hate monger, so that doesn't really help you.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 22, 2019 1:53:33 GMT
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 22, 2019 1:54:36 GMT
IF Arekkz is a shill (spoiler, he's not) Then people like Cleanprince, YongYea etc are nothing short of Hatemongers. I say that as someone who occasionally actually watches a YongYea video. YongYea is a hate monger, so that doesn't really help you. And calling a guy a shill who, in the title of his video acknowledges problems, talks about said problems more than the things he enjoys, is nothing short of hilarious. Because apparently the only way you aren't a "shill" is by calling a game irredemable trash with no hope of ever being good.
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