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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 22, 2019 11:04:22 GMT
I mean, over a billion dollars in net revenue and an increase in said revenue, but you are saying they are in financial trouble, the proof kind of needs to come from your end at this point, yes? Since you know so much about what we are talking about. Explain to me how EA is in financial trouble. It seems like you have all the requisite knowledge to, but something is holding you back. I'm curious! Inform me, poor stupid Max, exactly how EA is in financial trouble? First off, this is what I said: "A single business division underperforming by $60m is absolutely a major event for a company, yes." Why you keep bringing up insolvency at the holding company level, I have no idea. Claiming a company is healthy because it does $1b revenue is the same as claiming it's about to go bankrupt because it spent $500m. One number without context doesn't say anything. Since you keep bringing up my background, I am a corporate lawyer and get paid a lot of money to deal with this stuff every day. Teaching people how to properly interpret financial information over a message board is like trying to teach a toddler to read over the telephone. That's another assertion, not proof. And maximusarael020 didn't make a claim, just questioning your claim.
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 11:43:12 GMT
We are celebrating a 7.6 now, lol.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 22, 2019 11:47:48 GMT
We are celebrating a 7.6 now, lol. Worse. We are celebrating review positive review which had to be translated from italian, as no one (yet) could find any positive in english.
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Post by link2twenty on Feb 22, 2019 11:48:04 GMT
We are celebrating a 7.6 now, lol. I'm just happy to see a splash of green
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Post by spacev3gan on Feb 22, 2019 12:02:06 GMT
Battlefield V scored significantly better than that and it is deemed as a massive disaster from which EA can barely recover anytime soon. I mean, assuredly they were not exceptionally pleased with Battlefield 5's sales (underperformed by 1 million copies) but where do you get that it was such a disaster that EA can barely recover? That seems hyperbolic at best. Electronic Arts net income for the twelve months ending December 31, 2018 was $1.417B, a 41.42% increase year-over-year. Electronic Arts annual net income for 2018 was $1.043B, a 7.86% increase from 2017. Electronic Arts annual net income for 2017 was $0.967B, a 16.35% decline from 2016. Electronic Arts annual net income for 2016 was $1.156B, a 32.11% increase from 2015. I mean, their net income is measured in BILLIONS. You think underperforming by roughly $60 million is going to cripple their company? EA made some money? That is right, but that is not the whole picture. Let me present you the whole picture: - EA stocks fell in value by 45% from July 2018 to January 2019; - Patrick Söderlund, former CEO of Dice, Chief Design Officer of EA, rumored to be highest-paid employee in the company and overseer of all gaming production, left EA in the advent of Battlefield V release; - The Battlefield franchise is at an all-time low in popularity. Right now Battlefield V is being watched by 256 viewers on Twitch. That is right, the viewer count of one of EA's most prestigious gaming franchises is numbered in the lower 3-digits. Those three factors can cripple the company, and it won't be easy for EA to turn the tide anytime soon.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Feb 22, 2019 12:07:21 GMT
So you don't have any actual evidence to suggest you have any clue what you're talking about. Thanks. Burden of proof lies on you having claimed that EA is in financial trouble. maximusarael020 appears to have just been skeptical and simply questioning this claim. Financially they're not going to fall off the cliff but their stocks have hit all time lows, the worst it's been in a decade. I said it during Andromeda and star wars, EA needs a good chunk of time before they'll disappear, they're still to big of a company to fall in ruins over anthem and the next few projects. I will say people are getting to comfortable though if they think EA is doing nothing cause they're current games are contributing to their declining stocks so there's no doubt they're doing something for that, they really haven't put out one good game in years.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Feb 22, 2019 12:31:58 GMT
Willing to bet a lot of this is plain old Bioware review bombing.
Anyway who cares? Only review that matters is yours. I'll probably pick up Anthem in a month or two.
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Post by link2twenty on Feb 22, 2019 12:35:01 GMT
Willing to bet a lot of this is plain old Bioware review bombing. Anyway who cares? Only review that matters is yours. I'll probably pick up Anthem in a month or two. It matters because it affects sales, which in turn affects the future of the studio and future support of the game.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 22, 2019 12:37:55 GMT
Don't forget that you can't play this game if your online subscription expires on consoles, even if you just wanna play the story. That is an interesting mention.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Feb 22, 2019 12:38:39 GMT
Willing to bet a lot of this is plain old Bioware review bombing. Anyway who cares? Only review that matters is yours. I'll probably pick up Anthem in a month or two. It matters because it affects sales, which in turn affects the future of the studio and future support of the game. Well Bioware is screwed since a lot of people with a grudge for its "agendas" have made it their life's mission to shit on Bioware and EA. I'm sure the game has many flaws as per usual in today's gaming industry but the level of salt directed at Bioware in particular has been remarkably exaggerated.
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Post by link2twenty on Feb 22, 2019 12:41:30 GMT
It matters because it affects sales, which in turn affects the future of the studio and future support of the game. Well Bioware is screwed since a lot of people with a grudge for its "agendas" have made it their life's mission to shit on Bioware and EA. I'm sure the game has many flaws as per usual in today's gaming industry but the level of salt directed at Bioware in particular has been remarkably exaggerated. I agree I'm really not sure what people want from BioWare anymore.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Feb 22, 2019 12:45:33 GMT
They want it to shut down as either an FU to its inclusiveness or an FU to EA.
Sites like these will always be trash anyway as they are inconsistent with modern game design paradigms.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 22, 2019 12:50:02 GMT
Well Bioware is screwed since a lot of people with a grudge for its "agendas" have made it their life's mission to shit on Bioware and EA. I'm sure the game has many flaws as per usual in today's gaming industry but the level of salt directed at Bioware in particular has been remarkably exaggerated. I agree I'm really not sure what people want from BioWare anymore. To do the games they are good/great at doing or at least do games that are not "just average". In essence - exactly what people want from every developer out there.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 22, 2019 12:51:30 GMT
It matters because it affects sales, which in turn affects the future of the studio and future support of the game. Well Bioware is screwed since a lot of people with a grudge for its "agendas" have made it their life's mission to shit on Bioware and EA. I'm sure the game has many flaws as per usual in today's gaming industry but the level of salt directed at Bioware in particular has been remarkably exaggerated. So this is going to be the excuse going forward? Even after ME3 was released and how bad that ending stuff went, DAI was still the fastest selling Bioware game, got good scores and won many GOTY awards. This is even after DA2 in which many of the "SJW" stuff began and the whole Anders romance stuff.....DAI still succeeded. I mean use some logic. Do you really think Gamespot and IGN have it out for Bioware cause of "agendas"? Hell, even IGN is dogged at times for pushing or supporting "SJW" stuff and yet they gave Anthem a 6.5. Just accept the fact that while YOU may enjoy the game or is interested in buying it later on, not everyone shares your opinion.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 22, 2019 12:56:05 GMT
Well Bioware is screwed since a lot of people with a grudge for its "agendas" have made it their life's mission to shit on Bioware and EA. I'm sure the game has many flaws as per usual in today's gaming industry but the level of salt directed at Bioware in particular has been remarkably exaggerated. So this is going to be the excuse going forward? Even after ME3 was released and how bad that ending stuff went, DAI was still the fastest selling Bioware game, got good scores and won many GOTY awards. This is even after DA2 in which many of the "SJW" stuff began and the whole Anders romance stuff.....DAI still succeeded. I mean use some logic. Do you really think Gamespot and IGN have it out for Bioware cause of "agendas"? Hell, even IGN is dogged at times for pushing or supporting "SJW" stuff and yet they gave Anthem a 6.5. Just accept the fact that while YOU may enjoy the game or is interested in buying it later on, not everyone shares your opinion. It's not logical to rely on Gamespot and IGN.
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 12:59:50 GMT
Willing to bet a lot of this is plain old Bioware review bombing. Anyway who cares? Only review that matters is yours. I'll probably pick up Anthem in a month or two. If it were review bombing, the spread would be high. There is nothing higher than the 70s. This is actually one of the more consistent set of scores I've seen.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Feb 22, 2019 13:02:28 GMT
Well Bioware is screwed since a lot of people with a grudge for its "agendas" have made it their life's mission to shit on Bioware and EA. I'm sure the game has many flaws as per usual in today's gaming industry but the level of salt directed at Bioware in particular has been remarkably exaggerated. So this is going to be the excuse going forward? Even after ME3 was released and how bad that ending stuff went, DAI was still the fastest selling Bioware game, got good scores and won many GOTY awards. This is even after DA2 in which many of the "SJW" stuff began and the whole Anders romance stuff.....DAI still succeeded. I mean use some logic. Do you really think Gamespot and IGN have it out for Bioware cause of "agendas"? Hell, even IGN is dogged at times for pushing or supporting "SJW" stuff and yet they gave Anthem a 6.5. Just accept the fact that while YOU may enjoy the game or is interested in buying it later on, not everyone shares your opinion. You accuse me of making excuses, apparently oblivious to how you are doing the exact opposite and failing to provide any context of support. I don't care about MEA. The fact that you bring it up just goes to show how game releases by the same developer are inexorably linked despite any rhyme or reason. You then bring up reviews from professionals as if they are supposed to be worth more than anyone else, in an apparent contradiction to what you said about people not sharing one's opinion. I don't give a shit about what others think. You seem to think the issue lies with the game only. I'm sure the game is flawed in many ways. I can't count a single game that has been released completely polished in the last decade. It takes many games a dozen patches to get to an acceptable state. But reviews don't care about that. They're done on the spot, on release, with such exaggerated and hyperbolic assertions and standards that are completely arbitrary, that they cannot be taken seriously by anyone with half a brain. No game ever deserves a 0, especially ones with actually good graphics and combat, ignoring literally everything else. In short, review sites like these are trash because the entire scoring system is trash and inapplicable to games, which unlike movies and books actually have a lifecycle after their release. Anyone who takes them seriously for their decision making is a witless moron. My God I hate gamer culture. I actually think the gaming industry is on a slow death roll. I can't wait for the days til it's all just Facebook games. We get what we deserve.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Feb 22, 2019 13:06:35 GMT
Willing to bet a lot of this is plain old Bioware review bombing. Anyway who cares? Only review that matters is yours. I'll probably pick up Anthem in a month or two. If it were review bombing, the spread would be high. There is nothing higher than the 70s. This is actually one of the more consistent set of scores I've seen. What a silly notion. Review bombing has nothing to do with general reception. That the bombing aligns with a general "meh" just makes them look more justified. There are so many 0s so soon after release that it's just laughable. www.metacritic.com/game/pc/anthem/user-reviewsrofl
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Post by Fredward on Feb 22, 2019 13:12:46 GMT
Oof.
So when can we start expecting to hear how the launch went in terms of sales? I imagine a positive number will be bandied about sooner than a bad one.
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 13:13:17 GMT
If it were review bombing, the spread would be high. There is nothing higher than the 70s. This is actually one of the more consistent set of scores I've seen. What a silly notion. Review bombing has nothing to do with general reception. That the bombing aligns with a general "meh" just makes them look more justified. There are so many 0s so soon after release that it's just laughable. www.metacritic.com/game/pc/anthem/user-reviewsrofl Oh, so by "review bombing" you mean people giving scores that differ from your opinion. In that case, sure.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Feb 22, 2019 13:17:03 GMT
What a silly notion. Review bombing has nothing to do with general reception. That the bombing aligns with a general "meh" just makes them look more justified. There are so many 0s so soon after release that it's just laughable. www.metacritic.com/game/pc/anthem/user-reviewsrofl Oh, so by "review bombing" you mean people giving scores that differ from your opinion. In that case, sure. I didn't even state my opinion. Take your trash agenda elsewhere.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 22, 2019 13:21:04 GMT
What a silly notion. Review bombing has nothing to do with general reception. That the bombing aligns with a general "meh" just makes them look more justified. There are so many 0s so soon after release that it's just laughable. www.metacritic.com/game/pc/anthem/user-reviewsrofl Oh, so by "review bombing" you mean people giving scores that differ from your opinion. In that case, sure. Strawman. Maybe look up what the word means; A review bomb is an Internet phenomenon in which large groups of people leave negative user reviews for video games and other products in an attempt to harm their sales and popularity.
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Post by cypherj on Feb 22, 2019 13:26:44 GMT
I mean, assuredly they were not exceptionally pleased with Battlefield 5's sales (underperformed by 1 million copies) but where do you get that it was such a disaster that EA can barely recover? That seems hyperbolic at best. Electronic Arts net income for the twelve months ending December 31, 2018 was $1.417B, a 41.42% increase year-over-year. Electronic Arts annual net income for 2018 was $1.043B, a 7.86% increase from 2017. Electronic Arts annual net income for 2017 was $0.967B, a 16.35% decline from 2016. Electronic Arts annual net income for 2016 was $1.156B, a 32.11% increase from 2015. I mean, their net income is measured in BILLIONS. You think underperforming by roughly $60 million is going to cripple their company? EA made some money? That is right, but that is not the whole picture. Let me present you the whole picture: - EA stocks fell in value by 45% from July 2018 to January 2019; - Patrick Söderlund, former CEO of Dice, Chief Design Officer of EA, rumored to be highest-paid employee in the company and overseer of all gaming production, left EA in the advent of Battlefield V release; - The Battlefield franchise is at an all-time low in popularity. Right now Battlefield V is being watched by 256 viewers on Twitch. That is right, the viewer count of one of EA's most prestigious gaming franchise is numbered in the lower 3-digits. Those three factors can cripple the company, and it won't be easy for EA to turn the tide anytime soon.
I don't think it's as bad as you're making it sound. EA was doing really well for the first half of 2018, well over their forecasts. The market as a whole declined at the end of last year, with people saying that we were in Bear Market territory. Outside of that, most of EA's issues arose from two games, Battlefield & Battlefront. They delayed the release of Battlefront and had adjust their earning forecasts which caused the stock to get hammered. Then Battlefield and Battlefront didn't perform as well as they thought and they missed earnings, which caused the stock to get hammered again.
In order for EA to be crippled they would really need to mess up the FIFA and Madden franchises, as well as the Sims whenever they release Sims 5.
The ironic thing about all of this is that EA is making games for investors (Battlefront II), but that's causing the investors to lose money because gamers aren't buying them in the numbers they would like.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 22, 2019 13:27:29 GMT
Well Bioware is screwed since a lot of people with a grudge for its "agendas" have made it their life's mission to shit on Bioware and EA. I'm sure the game has many flaws as per usual in today's gaming industry but the level of salt directed at Bioware in particular has been remarkably exaggerated. I agree I'm really not sure what people want from BioWare anymore. Blood for going mainstream I suspect...
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