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Post by Kenny Bania on Mar 1, 2019 18:12:48 GMT
If you really didn't care, you wouldn't have taken the time to create this thread.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 1, 2019 18:35:26 GMT
Firstly, I'm genuinely glad you like the game, OP. I kinda envy you - as a fellow gamer, I love trying and buying new games and having fun playing them. I hope you'll enjoy Anthem for a long time to come. That said, don't be like the few people on this forum that seem to be in complete denial of Anthem's flaws. It's okay to like flawed games. I like some severely flawed games too, but I'm aware of their flaws and not denying them. I think that's a more realistic attitude than the Oslo Effect that some folks here appear to have going on... or whatever that thing with the Scandinavian town is being called. Their line of thought seems to be "Critics are terrible when they don't like what I like, but quite okay when they pick my favourite game as GOTY. Then I'll quote them often." Exactly. I like many flawed games, but people here don't seem to be able to accept any kind of criticism. Not only they don't accept the game has flaws, but they also refuse to acknowledge the game was disliked by the majority, no matter how much proof you show them, and acknowledge the game was a success even with every fact going against it. Or even worse, go for the argument "everything is opinion". Some fanboys in this forum are impossible to talk with. Also I sense a desire to be an "outcast", of "liking the game nobody likes" (even though they also claim the majority like the games and only youtuber haters didn't like it). I sense it especially when, out of nowhere, they start to attack loved games like The Witcher 3 or even Mass Effect 2.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 1, 2019 18:37:54 GMT
I think he's more than aware that there are flaws in the game.
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 1, 2019 18:44:29 GMT
Firstly, I'm genuinely glad you like the game, OP. I kinda envy you - as a fellow gamer, I love trying and buying new games and having fun playing them. I hope you'll enjoy Anthem for a long time to come. That said, don't be like the few people on this forum that seem to be in complete denial of Anthem's flaws. It's okay to like flawed games. I like some severely flawed games too, but I'm aware of their flaws and not denying them. I think that's a more realistic attitude than the Oslo Effect that some folks here appear to have going on... or whatever that thing with the Scandinavian town is being called. Their line of thought seems to be "Critics are terrible when they don't like what I like, but quite okay when they pick my favourite game as GOTY. Then I'll quote them often." Exactly. I like many flawed games, but people here don't seem to be able to accept any kind of criticism. Not only they don't accept the game has flaws, but they also refuse to acknowledge the game was disliked by the majority, no matter how much proof you show them, and acknowledge the game was a success even with every fact going against it. Or even worse, go for the argument "everything is opinion". Some fanboys in this forum are impossible to talk with. Also I sense a desire to be an "outcast", of "liking the game nobody likes" (even though they also claim the majority like the games and only youtuber haters didn't like it). I sense it especially when, out of nowhere, they start to attack loved games like The Witcher 3 or even Mass Effect 2. I don't care what "forum members" and "people who have played the game" have to say if it's critical. I'm only willing to accept praise, and if you say anything negative, you're not real.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 1, 2019 18:58:49 GMT
See above post, on console at least, it's selling just fine lol
My post had nothing to do with current sales good or bad. I just said had the game been in better condition at launch, it would have gotten better reviews, better word of mouth. This is turn would have turned the social media machine it it's favor and increased sales and subscriptions.
Like it not, some people do buy things based solely on reviews, some based solely on scores without even digging into the reviews. Unless you're saying a better reception would not have meant more sales, I don't know what you're disagreeing with.
Do we even know the sales at this point?
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Post by rikimaru on Mar 1, 2019 19:07:08 GMT
i personally couldn't care less what each of those reviewers, and all these YouTube videos say.I bought Anthem cause it was love at first sight (E3 2017), and i don't regret purchasing this game at all. I understand that the game have some bugs, but how many games got released and still have bugs. Just like that game Lair for the PS 3, that game got so much hate and yet this game was a mater piece. I would always say that these website reviewers can make or break a game.
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 1, 2019 19:21:23 GMT
i personally couldn't care less what each of those reviewers, and all these YouTube videos say.I bought Anthem cause it was love at first sight (E3 2017), and i don't regret purchasing this game at all. I understand that the game have some bugs, but how many games got released and still have bugs. Just like that game Lair for the PS 3, that game got so much hate and yet this game was a mater piece. I would always say that these website reviewers can make or break a game. [Lair] was a masterpiece media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif
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Post by cypherj on Mar 1, 2019 19:28:56 GMT
My post had nothing to do with current sales good or bad. I just said had the game been in better condition at launch, it would have gotten better reviews, better word of mouth. This is turn would have turned the social media machine it it's favor and increased sales and subscriptions.
Like it not, some people do buy things based solely on reviews, some based solely on scores without even digging into the reviews. Unless you're saying a better reception would not have meant more sales, I don't know what you're disagreeing with.
Do we even know the sales at this point?
No, but that's not the point I was making. My point was that in the social media age it's easier to reach more people, and for word of mouth and negative/positive press to spread like wildfire. Then I went on to say that it was a double edged sword, because if you have that working in your favor you can sell games just based on that, and people are sitting around saying I don't see why people like this game so much.
I don't know if the sales are good or bad, but people can't possibly be sitting here saying that the game wouldn't have more sales than it has right now, good or bad if the reception were positive and Bioware had the media machine working in their favor.
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Post by rikimaru on Mar 1, 2019 19:59:15 GMT
i personally couldn't care less what each of those reviewers, and all these YouTube videos say.I bought Anthem cause it was love at first sight (E3 2017), and i don't regret purchasing this game at all. I understand that the game have some bugs, but how many games got released and still have bugs. Just like that game Lair for the PS 3, that game got so much hate and yet this game was a mater piece. I would always say that these website reviewers can make or break a game. [Lair] was a masterpiece media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif i think so, you might think differently.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 1, 2019 22:05:03 GMT
Many movie critics are literary critics, and all things literary are trained to snub their noses at plot in favour of character development and style. Whereas most people going to see a movie for entertainment purposes want to see a good plot and fun characters. Game reviewers are almost all amateur reviewers though, so there shouldn't be such a disconnect. I agree with the point — game reviewers are closer to actual gamers than film critics are to movie goers — but I’m compelled to make a correction. Film reviewers are more likely to have film criticism credentials, like an MA in history of film, than a literary or literature critique credential. It’s also a bit reductive to say film critiques care more about character development and style, although style is a pretty big tent that could hold a lot of things that film critics care a lot about, like cinematography. I do absolutely agree that film critics as a whole can be pretty snobbish when it comes to the entertainment value of a film. This is why we get such disconnects as the original Indiana Jones movie getting panned because Nazi’s aren’t funny.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 1, 2019 22:14:41 GMT
I would alternatively advise to find people who's opinions you trust, in the general community if you want, who has played the game and listen to them. And only if those people have you excited, to take the leap. If only I could find such people. Apart from my son, who hates 70% of the games I love. He’s much more picky than I am. So my method is a lot more insular. If there’s a free demo, that’s best. If there isn’t, I try to find non-LP gameplay vids and I turn off the sound because I don’t give a shit what the voice over is saying. I apply a little bit of brand loyalty — I pay more attention to a new Bioware release that some random studio I’ve never heard of — but I also actively seek out random studios I’ve never heard of. Finally, if all else fails, I look at what Joseph Anderson or Errant Signal have reviewed and take that as a lead. I don’t necessarily watch the review — just the fact that they reviewed it makes it worth a look. I guess that’s trust in a way, but I certainly don’t agree with everything they say about games I’ve played. Joe is much more picky and Dark Souls leaning than I am. Edit: I forgot to mention that I don’t have a deep backlog. I have exactly one game in my not played stack (it’s not Anthem). As you said, time is limited. And yet, I’m very happy with my success rate. I think the only absolute mistake was Battlezone VR, and only because it makes me barf after just a few minutes of play.
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Post by nanotm on Mar 1, 2019 23:21:39 GMT
I would alternatively advise to find people who's opinions you trust, in the general community if you want, who has played the game and listen to them. And only if those people have you excited, to take the leap. If only I could find such people. Apart from my son, who hates 70% of the games I love. He’s much more picky than I am. So my method is a lot more insular. If there’s a free demo, that’s best. If there isn’t, I try to find non-LP gameplay vids and I turn off the sound because I don’t give a shit what the voice over is saying. I apply a little bit of brand loyalty — I pay more attention to a new Bioware release that some random studio I’ve never heard of — but I also actively seek out random studios I’ve never heard of. Finally, if all else fails, I look at what Joseph Anderson or Errant Signal have reviewed and take that as a lead. I don’t necessarily watch the review — just the fact that they reviewed it makes it worth a look. I guess that’s trust in a way, but I certainly don’t agree with everything they say about games I’ve played. Joe is much more picky and Dark Souls leaning than I am. Edit: I forgot to mention that I don’t have a deep backlog. I have exactly one game in my not played stack (it’s not Anthem). As you said, time is limited. And yet, I’m very happy with my success rate. I think the only absolute mistake was Battlezone VR, and only because it makes me barf after just a few minutes of play. thats always the problem with VR, unless they can get to a point where its a cortex interaction its never going to work, the first time I used VR was more than 20 years ago (since you know it was developed as a military training aid) and even though we had a giant open room covered in padding and our headsets only gave us a green screen vision (so it was like NVG's) we had to be moving or standing on a rumble pad as the scenario loaded in and moved to the contact point or everyone barfed, it did get better over the course of about 18 months but not a lot... last time I tried it as a gaming setup in someone's front room I hated it, got a headache and wanted to barf within minutes, its this continuous problem that made the military opt for the old duck hunt style simulator rooms and lazer quest setups, the holo style screens work really well when they work, and thats the biggest problem right now the entertainment industry just cant figure out how to do it properly and the military no longer wants to fund dozens of expensive projects only to find out there not robust enough to be used or dont work in the way they needed at all... if I had the option to use an immersion pod device I would probably give it a go (goo tanks, everyone's favourite) but those are not practical for anyone and there like half a million per tank...
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Post by seVitarius on Mar 1, 2019 23:46:35 GMT
Well, I had a very complicated romance with this game ... I wanted to share my review with you in Hype Train thread but I think this place will fit quite good. Let me know what you think guys. I hope that I will not become one of those "professional reviewers" from the title. Energizer Bunny 211 let me know ! EDIT: Warning - extremely crappy english, can cause brain damage :v
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Mar 2, 2019 2:17:11 GMT
Well, I had a very complicated romance with this game ... I wanted to share my review with you in Hype Train thread but I think this place will fit quite good. Let me know what you think guys. I hope that I will not become one of those "professional reviewers" from the title. Energizer Bunny 211 let me know ! EDIT: Warning - extremely crappy english, can cause brain damage :v I by no means meant the average person who posts their review on youtube, my point was concerning mediums such as IGN and others like it when I spoke about "professional reviewers", as I believe I went on to clarify in my post. Though your opinion and experience of the game may very well be different from mine, I am- under no circumstances condemning you or anyone for having a differing opinion, experience etc.
Case and point: A great number of people love ASUS (and even ATI though that is a totally different rant for the same reasons) and dating back to the early 1990s ASUS was the company to get a motherboard from. But between 2006 and 2013, I purchased several products (including motherboards and GPUS) from ASUS...and all of them (especially the much-loved Maximus Hero VI) were complete garbage that I had nothing but problems and trouble with. And I promised myself if I ever built another PC, I would never ever buy another product from ASUS, because in my experience and opinion they are not the amazing company they were from the 1990s that same company that made true quality motherboards, the company that was the staple of countless home PCs. In my experience since the mid-2000s they have taken a severe plummet in quality, craftsmanship, reliability and dependability. I have since switched to using Gigabyte for motherboards and EVGA for GPUS and have never once had any problems with either.
Peoples' experiences and opinions are very different from one another and that's okay. I simply wanted to give voice to my own opinion about the game in light of much of the negative things that I had read.
I do appreciate the time and effort you took to make your video, and I hope that in time your experience with ANTHEM will become more positive.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 2:17:58 GMT
To you. Objectively. What is objectivity when it comes to the media we consume?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 2, 2019 2:23:28 GMT
Objectively. What is objectivity when it comes to the media we consume? C’mon, loading screens are objectively bad. Who is going to argue that more loading screens makes a game better? There are objective criteria we can all agree to, and for some of them, Anthem gets low marks. That’s just a fact. Denying facts undermines credibility, and yes that applies to haters as well.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 2:34:23 GMT
What is objectivity when it comes to the media we consume? C’mon, loading screens are objectively bad. Who is going to argue that more loading screens makes a game better? There are objective criteria we can all agree to, and for some of them, Anthem gets low marks. That’s just a fact. Denying facts undermines credibility, and yes that applies to haters as well. Try applying that to them, I don't know about the loading screens as I've yet to buy the game. It just very irratating, that every time something positive about Anthem gets bought up It's drowned down by how we're in denial. But what I'm trying to say is that is Anthem objectively bad game? That's up to the player or has the rules changed when I wasn't paying attention?
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Mar 2, 2019 2:36:40 GMT
The bunny has been drumming like its batteries are sponsored by EA ever since being switched on. Which is fine. The game can only get better in the best case. But ignoring the overall feedback won't make it go away. I think you give me far too much credit my friend. I am just your average guy; I have nothing to do with EA in the slightest, nor have I ever. (I've never even been to California) (if that was what you are/were implying). I am not part of their "Game Changers" Program--not even really sure what that is. I really am just your average Canadian who has a monday-to-friday job and enjoys doing moderate weekend gaming sessions. One thing is true though, I am particularly fond of Bioware games over other companies out there, because of the amazing stories they tell.
(Laughs to self) Yet considering my Avatar is the Energizer Bunny....(smiles) I do like your quip about "the bunny has been drumming like its batteries are sponsored by EA ever since being switched on." That was good! I like that! Actually made me smile and laugh....I'm gonna have to remember that one.
And what you said is true: ignoring overall feedback won't make it go away. The game does have faults and bugs, hopefully those will be fixed with time. And in the long run the game can only get better. Well said.
Thank you for your reply.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 2, 2019 2:37:03 GMT
Objectively. What is objectivity when it comes to the media we consume? Yes, there are objective aspects when we analyze any media. Just because YOU don't have critical thought, doesn't mean it's not there Next you're going to say bugs may be good because "there is no objectivity in the media we consume, so a game can be only bug and still be good, it depends on the player" It's a naive and kinda stupid way of thinking.
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 2, 2019 2:37:22 GMT
C’mon, loading screens are objectively bad. Who is going to argue that more loading screens makes a game better? There are objective criteria we can all agree to, and for some of them, Anthem gets low marks. That’s just a fact. Denying facts undermines credibility, and yes that applies to haters as well. Try applying that to them, I don't know about the loading screens as I've yet to buy the game media.giphy.com/media/YzvPqrOVoS9tC/giphy.gif
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Post by CryMeARiver on Mar 2, 2019 2:38:20 GMT
C’mon, loading screens are objectively bad. Who is going to argue that more loading screens makes a game better? There are objective criteria we can all agree to, and for some of them, Anthem gets low marks. That’s just a fact. Denying facts undermines credibility, and yes that applies to haters as well. Try applying that to them, I don't know about the loading screens as I've yet to buy the game. It just very irratating, that every time something positive about Anthem gets bought up It's drowned down by how we're in denial. But what I'm trying to say is that is Anthem objectively bad game? That's up to the player or has the rules changed when I wasn't paying attention? What I find EXTREMELY funny is you've never even played the game yet "white knight" the shit out it and complain about people (like me or others) who have actually played the game and critique it. What type of damn logic is that? I'd call you a fanboy but this statement speaks volumes about you already.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 2:54:15 GMT
Try applying that to them, I don't know about the loading screens as I've yet to buy the game. It just very irratating, that every time something positive about Anthem gets bought up It's drowned down by how we're in denial. But what I'm trying to say is that is Anthem objectively bad game? That's up to the player or has the rules changed when I wasn't paying attention? What I find EXTREMELY funny is you've never even played the game yet "white knight" the shit out it and complain about people (like me or others) who have actually played the game and critique it. What type of damn logic is that? I'd call you a fanboy but this statement speaks volumes about you already. I played the demo and over all enjoyed the experience though I had some criticisms towards it.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 2:55:25 GMT
I had other important things to do before buying the game but I did play the demo and really liked it.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 2:57:13 GMT
What is objectivity when it comes to the media we consume? Yes, there are objective aspects when we analyze any media. Just because YOU don't have critical thought, doesn't mean it's not there Next you're going to say bugs may be good because "there is no objectivity in the media we consume, so a game can be only bug and still be good, it depends on the player" It's a naive and kinda stupid way of thinking. Critical thought? Or just think differently than you.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 2, 2019 3:05:47 GMT
Yes, there are objective aspects when we analyze any media. Just because YOU don't have critical thought, doesn't mean it's not there Next you're going to say bugs may be good because "there is no objectivity in the media we consume, so a game can be only bug and still be good, it depends on the player" It's a naive and kinda stupid way of thinking. Critical thought? Or just think differently than you. After the "everything is opinion" argument he comes with "I just think different from you" argument. Congratulations, you just won the Trump's award for Best Worst Argument. You can get your prize at Bioware's Montreal Studio.
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