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Post by samhain444 on Mar 15, 2019 16:26:29 GMT
In August 2017, no one knew to that point, except for BioWare, that no SP DLC was coming. People speculated on both sides, and some were very confident we were not getting any SP DLC, but no one knew definitely. What I stated a few posts above was what was actually said about Andromeda's DLC by one of the Lead Producers while comparing Andromeda's and Anthem's respective DLC schedules. Are you certain you understand what "changing your mind" means? And you choose to believe this producer, even though he lied countless times before, because he says what you wanted to hear. And of course, I understand his lies. Obviously he is not going to say things like "Yeah, Andromeda sucked, we dropped it". You have your own mind, you can put two and two together. You know no successful game would be completely dropped like that and the studio that produced it would close months later, no matters what "producers" tell you. Jason Schreier did a pretty comprehensive autopsy of "ME:A" and he stated that the developers at Bio Ware Montreal immediately started plotting out a potential sequel before they were told to cease working on the project. SP DLC was never mentioned and, considering that most of what we got at release was pushed out with Mac Walter's assistance within 18 months, maybe wasn't a priority at that point. Also, so as not to be accused of "lying" and "hypocrisy"...here's what I quoted in this thread in terms of ME:A being considered a "success": CEO Andrew Wilson said "if you look at Mass Effect [Andromeda], while there was some polarizing sentiment in that franchise, it's actually performed really well, and player engagement is really strong." Per wikipedia: "Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter estimated that Mass Effect: Andromeda shipped at least 2.5 million physical units in its opening quarter, resulting in $110 million in revenue." These quotes are not from Mike Gamble so they tell it didn't lose money and wasn't a financial failure but not enough to continue producing content for it. It made money but not ALL the money
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 15, 2019 16:32:24 GMT
Additionally, you can save this for September 2020, since we seem to dipping a year and a half in the past for speculative content now, it is my "speculation" that, based on "Anthem's" mixed reception and issues with development, BioWare will be given more time to get DA4 "right".
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 15, 2019 16:46:02 GMT
And you choose to believe this producer, even though he lied countless times before, because he says what you wanted to hear. And of course, I understand his lies. Obviously he is not going to say things like "Yeah, Andromeda sucked, we dropped it". You have your own mind, you can put two and two together. You know no successful game would be completely dropped like that and the studio that produced it would close months later, no matters what "producers" tell you. Jason Schreier did a pretty comprehensive autopsy of "ME:A" and he stated that the developers at Bio Ware Montreal immediately started plotting out a potential sequel before they were told to cease working on the project. SP DLC was never mentioned and, considering that most of what we got at release was pushed out with Mac Walter's assistance within 18 months, maybe wasn't a priority at that point. Also, so as not to be accused of "lying" and "hypocrisy"...here's what I quoted in this thread in terms of ME:A being considered a "success": CEO Andrew Wilson said "if you look at Mass Effect [Andromeda], while there was some polarizing sentiment in that franchise, it's actually performed really well, and player engagement is really strong." Per wikipedia: "Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter estimated that Mass Effect: Andromeda shipped at least 2.5 million physical units in its opening quarter, resulting in $110 million in revenue." These quotes are not from Mike Gamble so they tell it didn't lose money and wasn't a financial failure but not enough to continue producing content for it. It made money but not ALL the money It maybe wasn't a priority, but they hinted it a lot, we all know it. The "#savethequarians" didn't come out of nowhere. Yes, financially, it may have been a success. It's very hard for a game with a lot of microtransactions and stuff to NOT generate profit, especially when it drinks from an already known franchise like Mass Effect. We're talking about "public success", being liked by the public. That, I think we can all agree it wasn't.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 15, 2019 16:46:23 GMT
To put into perspective: MEA teased Quarian DLC. Many expected a Quarian DLC. It got canned. Or was never planned - it doesn't matter - the impression it left was that they wouldn't support their game.
Now we're with Anthem and in the light of MEA, I'm just sceptical they'll support Anthem like previously expected. Is not hard to understand and if someone feels different because they "changed their mind" is no big thing neither. Denial is a strong power, and who knows - might turn out right. When I was in denial with MEA DLC I was wrong - such is life.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 15, 2019 17:01:21 GMT
Jason Schreier did a pretty comprehensive autopsy of "ME:A" and he stated that the developers at Bio Ware Montreal immediately started plotting out a potential sequel before they were told to cease working on the project. SP DLC was never mentioned and, considering that most of what we got at release was pushed out with Mac Walter's assistance within 18 months, maybe wasn't a priority at that point. Also, so as not to be accused of "lying" and "hypocrisy"...here's what I quoted in this thread in terms of ME:A being considered a "success": CEO Andrew Wilson said "if you look at Mass Effect [Andromeda], while there was some polarizing sentiment in that franchise, it's actually performed really well, and player engagement is really strong." Per wikipedia: "Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter estimated that Mass Effect: Andromeda shipped at least 2.5 million physical units in its opening quarter, resulting in $110 million in revenue." These quotes are not from Mike Gamble so they tell it didn't lose money and wasn't a financial failure but not enough to continue producing content for it. It made money but not ALL the money It maybe wasn't a priority, but they hinted it a lot, we all know it. The "#savethequarians" didn't come out of nowhere. Yes, financially, it may have been a success. It's very hard for a game with a lot of microtransactions and stuff to NOT generate profit, especially when it drinks from an already known franchise like Mass Effect. We're talking about "public success", being liked by the public. That, I think we can all agree it wasn't. Yep...when you are memed to death from the EA Early Access trial and you Metacritic score ranges from 71-76 depending the platform, you are not a "public success". And it seems EA doesn't really learn either...nor cares. ME:A was released needing months of patching to be complete so it can provide revenue in an empty Financial Quarter (Q4 2016). If it's released in July 2017 in the condition of patch 1.09, you don't get the memes, the mission-ending glitches, no "my face is tired" Addison dead-eye, no "popping mouth" animations but it was exposed prior to the day one patch. "Anthem" was released unfinished as well because, again, EA needed something for Q4 2018 and needed to sell EA Access Premier subscriptions. "Anthem" was served up to critics essentially 60% done and was savaged for it. Hopefully, DA4 gets the chance to be the game it could be or it might be it for BioWare
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 15, 2019 17:43:07 GMT
Hopefully, DA4 gets the chance to be the game it could be On that, we can all agree.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2019 17:52:06 GMT
Well judging by these forums, I'd say it's a definite yes. Hardly anyone posts and the first page topics are still the same with just a few people posting. You can tell how a game is doing by its forums, as people soon cleared out of here sharpish leaving those same lifers (10000 plus posters) who haven't even bought the game and just want to defend Bioware. Bioware, it's just a name now that people forget that the ethos, developers and even the owners left years ago. Bioware was hemorrhaging after DAO and finally died after ME3. Get over it. Most people who like the game post elsewhere because constantly being insulted by the haters tends to get old. Since the Mods don’t do anything they went to places the others can’t degrade them.
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Post by tatarforas on Mar 15, 2019 17:55:11 GMT
Yeah I genuinely feel that DA4 is there last chance, otherwise the only things I can see them doing currently that would restore some faith in them is remaster the ME trilogy and maybe come out with an expansion or two for Andromeda. Basically pull a 343, but I doubt EA will let them do anything of the sort. I mostly blame EAs requirement to use Frostbite for a lot of the problems that Bioware games have had in recent years. Frostbite probably contributes to there problems. But, does frostbite reduce the range of content to 3 mission types on repeat? The game doesn’t have a stat page or the ability to flag on the map. Many of the loot mechanics are broken. I mean some things can probably be attributed to frostbite like maybe how the enemies spawn or map density. But most of the core complaints I expect are completely unrelated to it. Yeah yeah spending time fighting frostbite on the things it did effect took time from other parts of the game. But, there comes a point when it’s no longer a reason for your problems but just an excuse. Yeah that's a fair point, and going off of MEAs development cycle it also seems like there's bit of an overall management problem within the company. I'm just waiting see how DA4 plays out at this point, if it makes the same mistakes that DAI and Andromeda made then frankly even if Bioware continues to exist I don't think I'll bother with their games anymore....or at least I'll wait till they're on sale, no more preorders from me.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 15, 2019 19:10:48 GMT
Well judging by these forums, I'd say it's a definite yes. Hardly anyone posts and the first page topics are still the same with just a few people posting. You can tell how a game is doing by its forums, as people soon cleared out of here sharpish leaving those same lifers (10000 plus posters) who haven't even bought the game and just want to defend Bioware. Bioware, it's just a name now that people forget that the ethos, developers and even the owners left years ago. Bioware was hemorrhaging after DAO and finally died after ME3. Get over it. Most people who like the game post elsewhere because constantly being insulted by the haters tends to get old. Since the Mods don’t do anything they went to places the others can’t degrade them. The fans are not the ones being insulted, trolled, and chased out of these forums with the mods aiding and abetting said trolls.
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Post by biggydx on Mar 15, 2019 20:32:57 GMT
Serious question here, no bullshit - Do you think that with some more patches, fixes, extra content etc, Anthem could be a great game? Are the foundations there, or will it perhaps be a good game, or a mediocre one? Obviously this stuff should've been sorted on release, but now I'm intrigued to see what they can do from this point forward, and where the future of the game lies. Given enough patches, any game focused on online can get good. The problem with Andromeda was that it was focused on story, and the story was terrible, the characters were terrible, and pretty much everything related to the story was terrible, so that's really not fixable through patches, fixes or whatever. Anthem's story seems to be pretty lame as well, but that's not the focus of the game, it's there only to be a background for a good shooting game. So, if they fix the bugs, fix the looting problems, the wrong mechanics, etc, yeah, maybe it can get good. At least they are fixable, unlike the story. But there are still a few problems: 1. How long will players wait? There are a lot of games going around, people will certainly not going to wait for Anthem. They didn't wait for No Man's Sky, which had a much bigger hype, they surely ain't going to wait for Anthem. By the time it becomes "good", everyone will be gone. 2. We really shouldn't support this thing of "the game getting good later". It will give an incentive for developers to just continue releasing crappy games believing they may fix it later. Releasing a shitty game just to try fix it in the future IS NOT OKAY, even if it becomes great in the future. To point one, players were willing to wait in upwards of a year for Destiny 1/2 and The Division. Though a good counterpoint would be that people are more apathetic to games releasing in this state now. To point 2, unfortunately, players have already decided that they're willing to up with this. Both Destiny and The Division continuously being updated, let alone getting a sequel, is indicative of that.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 15, 2019 20:45:15 GMT
Just passing to see this thread... Exaggeration is always popular on the internet.
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 15, 2019 20:48:25 GMT
Given enough patches, any game focused on online can get good. The problem with Andromeda was that it was focused on story, and the story was terrible, the characters were terrible, and pretty much everything related to the story was terrible, so that's really not fixable through patches, fixes or whatever. Anthem's story seems to be pretty lame as well, but that's not the focus of the game, it's there only to be a background for a good shooting game. So, if they fix the bugs, fix the looting problems, the wrong mechanics, etc, yeah, maybe it can get good. At least they are fixable, unlike the story. But there are still a few problems: 1. How long will players wait? There are a lot of games going around, people will certainly not going to wait for Anthem. They didn't wait for No Man's Sky, which had a much bigger hype, they surely ain't going to wait for Anthem. By the time it becomes "good", everyone will be gone. 2. We really shouldn't support this thing of "the game getting good later". It will give an incentive for developers to just continue releasing crappy games believing they may fix it later. Releasing a shitty game just to try fix it in the future IS NOT OKAY, even if it becomes great in the future. To point one, players were willing to wait in upwards of a year for Destiny 1/2 and The Division. Though a good counterpoint would be that people are more apathetic to games releasing in this state now. To point 2, unfortunately, players have already decided that they're willing to up with this. Both Destiny and The Division continuously being updated, let alone getting a sequel, is indicative of that. Eh, those were very different situations. Destiny 1 was the first major player in the genre, so no one really had a choice. Destiny 2 was really only competing with itself, and TD1 launched in the wake of Destiny 2's own rough launch. Now that Destiny 2 is in a really nice spot and TD2 just launched well, Anthem is in a very different situation. It will not get the same pass the other games got years ago - it has to compete with well-received contemporaries, and it just can't.
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Post by river82 on Mar 15, 2019 20:55:59 GMT
Your problem wasn't speculating, but changing your mind according to what was needed to defend Bioware's mistakes. I don't think Bioware is "months from closing", but the degrees you guys go to keep saying that there is nothing wrong going on and that there was nothing wrong with Andromeda is hilarious. In August 2017, no one knew to that point, except for BioWare, that no SP DLC was coming. People speculated on both sides, and some were very confident we were not getting any SP DLC, but no one knew definitely. Except Schreier. And the Andromeda community responded by ripping his journalistic credentials to shreds, which he responded by humiliating those people on social media. Good times xD The problem was Bioware fans are sometimes in their own little bubble. Anyone who knew anything about Jason knew that he had hardly ever been wrong (I don't think at all) with his leaking with the Destiny franchise ( www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/456mdr/reminder_kotakujason_schreier_has_been_right/ ). So when Jason said he got information from 3 different inside sources and that he was confident enough to put down their plan in late June beginning of July, people familiar with Schreier pretty much knew it was all over.
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Post by masterwarderz on Mar 15, 2019 21:41:51 GMT
This portion of the podcast relates specifically to the ongoing dumpster that is Anthem, and how they view its impact on the future of Bioware.
My personal take on the ongoing topic?
BioWare is going to run on fumes for a few more months but its going to disintegrate before the year is out.
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Post by masterwarderz on Mar 15, 2019 21:44:07 GMT
Most people who like the game post elsewhere because constantly being insulted by the haters tends to get old. Since the Mods don’t do anything they went to places the others can’t degrade them. The fans are not the ones being insulted, trolled, and chased out of these forums with the mods aiding and abetting said trolls.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 15, 2019 21:44:47 GMT
In August 2017, no one knew to that point, except for BioWare, that no SP DLC was coming. People speculated on both sides, and some were very confident we were not getting any SP DLC, but no one knew definitely. Except Schreier. And the Andromeda community responded by ripping his journalistic credentials to shreds, which he responded by humiliating those people on social media. Good times xD The problem was Bioware fans are sometimes in their own little bubble. Anyone who knew anything about Jason knew that he had hardly ever been wrong (I don't think at all) with his leaking with the Destiny franchise ( www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/456mdr/reminder_kotakujason_schreier_has_been_right/ ). So when Jason said he got information from 3 different inside sources and that he was confident enough to put down their plan in late June beginning of July, people familiar with Schreier pretty much knew it was all over. You say that like it's surprising no one gives journalists any credit for doing their job.
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Post by decafhigh on Mar 15, 2019 21:45:27 GMT
BioWare is going to run on fumes for a few more months but its going to disintegrate before the year is out. If they get to their first major update/content patch and the players (and all their sweet sweet micro-transaction $$) don't come back for it, yeah that will be bad.
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Post by masterwarderz on Mar 15, 2019 21:47:32 GMT
Additionally, you can save this for September 2020, since we seem to dipping a year and a half in the past for speculative content now, it is my "speculation" that, based on "Anthem's" mixed reception and issues with development, BioWare will be given more time to get DA4 "right". On the DA4 Topic, my mind is a bit mixed to be frank. To be honest? I think the IP will be sold by EA to another studio tbh(For completion, if the game is going to be made all), I view that as far more likely then them giving Bioware another two to four years of time, money and support just for them to potentially release yet another bomb.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 15, 2019 21:48:15 GMT
Additionally, you can save this for September 2020, since we seem to dipping a year and a half in the past for speculative content now, it is my "speculation" that, based on "Anthem's" mixed reception and issues with development, BioWare will be given more time to get DA4 "right". On the DA4 Topic, my mind is a bit mixed to be frank. To be honest? I think the IP will be sold by EA to another studio tbh, I view that as far more likely then them giving Bioware another two to four years of time, money and support just for them to potentially release yet another bomb. You clearly have no idea how EA operates then with that opinion of yours.
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Post by masterwarderz on Mar 15, 2019 21:54:29 GMT
On the DA4 Topic, my mind is a bit mixed to be frank. To be honest? I think the IP will be sold by EA to another studio tbh, I view that as far more likely then them giving Bioware another two to four years of time, money and support just for them to potentially release yet another bomb. You clearly have no idea how EA operates then with that opinion of yours. Neither do you then, considering they are famous or infamous depending upon your stance for dissolving low performance studios that cost them oceans of money without making it back plus interest. Pandemic, DICE LA, Origin Systems of Wing Commander fame, Visceral, Fucking Westwood Studios, if you think BioWare's name is worth anything to them at this point then you clearly need to take a breath of first air and realize that their name is dirt in the gaming community and has been for a while. BioWare might could have gotten away with some special treatment and it got it over the years, but its lost them money enough that I think that the kid gloves are going to be sliding off in short order if the major patch update and new stronghold pack does not bring them the expected revenue. EA isn't a charity, and they killed studios a lot more talented then modern day Bioware.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 15, 2019 22:00:44 GMT
You clearly have no idea how EA operates then with that opinion of yours. Neither do you then, considering they are famous or infamous depending upon your stance for dissolving low performance studios that cost them oceans of money without making it back plus interest. Pandemic, DICE LA, Origin Systems of Wing Commander fame, Visceral, Fucking Westwood Studios, if you think BioWare's name is worth anything to them at this point then you clearly need to take a breath of first air and realize that their name is dirt in the gaming community and has been for a while. BioWare might could have gotten away with some special treatment and it got it over the years, but its lost them money enough that I think that the kid gloves are going to be sliding off in short order if the major patch update and new stronghold pack does not bring them the expected revenue. EA isn't a charity, and they killed studios a lot more talented then modern day Bioware. I question the talent of some of those studios, especially considering how self-inflicted the deaths of Westwood and Visceral were. When you have half of a dev team quitting when the studio is acquired and another studio with known internal problems, I kind of lose sympathy for them in some ways. You are right EA is not a charity, they have no reason to keep such dead weight on their yoke. As to BioWare, your opinion was wrong because EA does not sell IP. It would stay internal and likely be given over to another studio, like Motive, if that happens. But BioWare is not likely going to be shut down over Anthem, considering they have not really "lost" money in the sense that you think they have. We can cite Andromeda as the example sure due to the lack of support or DLC, but let's remember, it did turn a profit that effectively made the game a wash for the company. We don't have numbers on Anthem at all yet to really discuss this, so it's frankly a bit premature to dig a grave.
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Post by Mobius Y on Mar 15, 2019 22:08:18 GMT
You clearly have no idea how EA operates then with that opinion of yours. Neither do you then, considering they are famous or infamous depending upon your stance for dissolving low performance studios that cost them oceans of money without making it back plus interest. Pandemic, DICE LA, Origin Systems of Wing Commander fame, Visceral, Fucking Westwood Studios, if you think BioWare's name is worth anything to them at this point then you clearly need to take a breath of first air and realize that their name is dirt in the gaming community and has been for a while. BioWare might could have gotten away with some special treatment and it got it over the years, but its lost them money enough that I think that the kid gloves are going to be sliding off in short order if the major patch update and new stronghold pack does not bring them the expected revenue. EA isn't a charity, and they killed studios a lot more talented then modern day Bioware. A moment of silence for our fallen heroes, gone but not forgotten...
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Post by masterwarderz on Mar 15, 2019 22:11:31 GMT
Neither do you then, considering they are famous or infamous depending upon your stance for dissolving low performance studios that cost them oceans of money without making it back plus interest. Pandemic, DICE LA, Origin Systems of Wing Commander fame, Visceral, Fucking Westwood Studios, if you think BioWare's name is worth anything to them at this point then you clearly need to take a breath of first air and realize that their name is dirt in the gaming community and has been for a while. BioWare might could have gotten away with some special treatment and it got it over the years, but its lost them money enough that I think that the kid gloves are going to be sliding off in short order if the major patch update and new stronghold pack does not bring them the expected revenue. EA isn't a charity, and they killed studios a lot more talented then modern day Bioware. A moment of silence for our fallen heroes, gone but not forgotten... They aren't gone but merely marching far away
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