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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 21, 2019 2:45:51 GMT
The characters not being absurdely stupid freaking morons like in Andromeda (ALL OF THEM) and treating everything like a joke would already be an improvement. That is where I am at. I don't need worst of ME3 dark, but i sure as hell want more serious than MEA. Stupid auto dialogue points about shooting people in the face ha ha, or when Cora finds out her hero is more of a bad ass they she can comprehend and she pouts out of jealousy, she whines in the car about how sad she is and then wants to kill things to make her happy ha ha. Almost everything was a joke. I don't know what game to point to in the series as they all had tonal issues at points. Some kind of mid point between people getting processed into sludge and jokey everything crap. Liam gives private information about the Nexus to people he just met. People get captured by pirates. He invades without any plan and acts like a kid when obviously it doesn't go right. Calls you a jerk afterwards. AND THERE IS NOT AN OPTION TO THROW HIM OUT OF THE AIRLOCK
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Post by ahglock on Mar 21, 2019 2:57:25 GMT
That is where I am at. I don't need worst of ME3 dark, but i sure as hell want more serious than MEA. Stupid auto dialogue points about shooting people in the face ha ha, or when Cora finds out her hero is more of a bad ass they she can comprehend and she pouts out of jealousy, she whines in the car about how sad she is and then wants to kill things to make her happy ha ha. Almost everything was a joke. I don't know what game to point to in the series as they all had tonal issues at points. Some kind of mid point between people getting processed into sludge and jokey everything crap. Liam gives private information about the Nexus to people he just met. People get captured by pirates. He invades without any plan and acts like a kid when obviously it doesn't go right. Calls you a jerk afterwards. AND THERE IS NOT AN OPTION TO THROW HIM OUT OF THE AIRLOCK A lot if not most of the loyalty quests had tonal issues. Cora's was solid I think, I think the rest seriously dipped into lighthearted in inappropriate situations or had a terrible buy in like with pee bee firing you out in a escape pod with no way back on a erupting volcano planet.
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Post by clips7 on Mar 21, 2019 4:35:25 GMT
Liam gives private information about the Nexus to people he just met. People get captured by pirates. He invades without any plan and acts like a kid when obviously it doesn't go right. Calls you a jerk afterwards. AND THERE IS NOT AN OPTION TO THROW HIM OUT OF THE AIRLOCK A lot if not most of the loyalty quests had tonal issues. Cora's was solid I think, I think the rest seriously dipped into lighthearted in inappropriate situations or had a terrible buy in like with pee bee firing you out in a escape pod with no way back on a erupting volcano planet. Yeah...Pee Bee should have been punished or something for those antics.....i also had issues with Andromeda's writing. Tann telling to go make Entire planets habitable and then when you ask how he just states "figure it out..you are the pathfinder"...i wanted to smack him....but while this conversation is happening Sloane is just chillin' on Kadara having kicked the s**t outta the Kett and ran them off planet....and apparently took some shuttles and built those structures you see on Kadara.... I accepted that overall Andromeda was trying to tell a story, but pulling back and reflecting on it, the game early on made it seem like everybody was depending on you to find viable planets when there have already been people practically relaxing and chilling on planets like Kadara and Ellandra *spel* that Krogan desert planet....now of course Sloane and crew didn't enter vaults and did things to the atmosphere, but i'm just saying the game made it seem like you was the last hope when lol humans have been living on other planets for some time now... As for topic relevance,...i don't want a happy quirky storyline...i want a darker story with some high stake risks.....Andromeda was a journey into the unknown and yet the entire game was written like a comedy sitcom....
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 21, 2019 5:01:28 GMT
Liam gives private information about the Nexus to people he just met. People get captured by pirates. He invades without any plan and acts like a kid when obviously it doesn't go right. Calls you a jerk afterwards. AND THERE IS NOT AN OPTION TO THROW HIM OUT OF THE AIRLOCK A lot if not most of the loyalty quests had tonal issues. Cora's was solid I think, I think the rest seriously dipped into lighthearted in inappropriate situations or had a terrible buy in like with pee bee firing you out in a escape pod with no way back on a erupting volcano planet. I liked Peebee, she was the only decent character on the entire game. But yeah, her entire loyalty mission was plain BS.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 21, 2019 5:07:14 GMT
A lot if not most of the loyalty quests had tonal issues. Cora's was solid I think, I think the rest seriously dipped into lighthearted in inappropriate situations or had a terrible buy in like with pee bee firing you out in a escape pod with no way back on a erupting volcano planet. I liked Peebee, she was the only decent character on the entire game. But yeah, her entire loyalty mission was plain BS. Yeah. I generally liked her character. But man her loyalty mission was bad.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 21, 2019 6:55:53 GMT
I liked Peebee, she was the only decent character on the entire game. But yeah, her entire loyalty mission was plain BS. Yeah. I generally liked her character. But man her loyalty mission was bad. I actually didn't like her. She was annoying, like most of her race. (I know, space racism, but I'm not a big fan of the asari.) I'd have to say the Drack was my favorite squadmate in MEA.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 21, 2019 8:49:06 GMT
I liked Peebee, she was the only decent character on the entire game. But yeah, her entire loyalty mission was plain BS. Yeah. I generally liked her character. But man her loyalty mission was bad. I enjoyed the loyalty misison. Got the important bit of tech, some nobody who kept shooting at us died. I agree though that if you're not a fan of her brand of crazy you should have had more severe options even if it lost her loyalty.
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Post by hulluliini on Mar 21, 2019 10:24:38 GMT
To me, Star Trek is optimistic, and Andromeda is lighthearted. Different things. People on Star Trek are highly responsible and ethical and they want to believe you can sort problems ethically without compromising your values. They question themselves and what they're doing because that's what morally good people do.
Anrdomeda is turning everything into a joke and not taking responsibility for your antics. That's not the same as optimistic. It's running away from being a responsible, ethical adult.
ME1 was optimistic in the Star Trek style, had sense of awe and all that, but also very dark storylines, both small and big. It's entirely possible to have sense of wonder and awe about exploration but still feel empathy and be serious when you encounter sad and dark fates. IMO ME1 had a great balance there.
ME2 is ok as well, it simply had less exploration so the sense of wonder was replaced with sense of terror in all those Collector bases and ships. But there was more obvious humor as well with the crew but they were all still responsible individuals.
In ME3, the Citadel DLC was very different from the main game and very similar to ME:A in terms of silliness. But it didn't go too far with it. I still don't like it anyway because it was too jokey, too much fan service. I want drama.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 21, 2019 14:35:36 GMT
Yeah. I generally liked her character. But man her loyalty mission was bad. I enjoyed the loyalty misison. Got the important bit of tech, some nobody who kept shooting at us died. I agree though that if you're not a fan of her brand of crazy you should have had more severe options even if it lost her loyalty. Thing is my problem is on both ends. If you are a fan of her crazy your best response is a sigh and I’m not mad. If you aren’t a fan of her crazy you can’t really make a big deal out of it. All your answers are this mushy mid range. Edit to add though it just shouldn’t happen in the first place. They spend so much time making their characters quirky they stop making their characters realistic. Was she impulsive sure but she’s not a total fuckwit without plans but for a quirky scene she becomes a fuckwit. It’s like Suvi that everyone loves. My top scientist is a idiot eating things without testing them first and licking rocks etc. my crisis manager is handing out security info with no plan.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 21, 2019 18:19:14 GMT
I enjoyed the loyalty misison. Got the important bit of tech, some nobody who kept shooting at us died. I agree though that if you're not a fan of her brand of crazy you should have had more severe options even if it lost her loyalty. Thing is my problem is on both ends. If you are a fan of her crazy your best response is a sigh and I’m not mad. If you aren’t a fan of her crazy you can’t really make a big deal out of it. All your answers are this mushy mid range. Edit to add though it just shouldn’t happen in the first place. They spend so much time making their characters quirky they stop making their characters realistic. Was she impulsive sure but she’s not a total fuckwit without plans but for a quirky scene she becomes a fuckwit. It’s like Suvi that everyone loves. My top scientist is a idiot eating things without testing them first and licking rocks etc. my crisis manager is handing out security info with no plan. Except she does run tests before trying to eat things. This is explicitly stated in the dialogue on the matter. As for licking rocks, that is actually not that unusual a thing since the lick test can help tell some minerals apart in ways feeling with your hands can’t.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 21, 2019 18:49:43 GMT
Thing is my problem is on both ends. If you are a fan of her crazy your best response is a sigh and I’m not mad. If you aren’t a fan of her crazy you can’t really make a big deal out of it. All your answers are this mushy mid range. Edit to add though it just shouldn’t happen in the first place. They spend so much time making their characters quirky they stop making their characters realistic. Was she impulsive sure but she’s not a total fuckwit without plans but for a quirky scene she becomes a fuckwit. It’s like Suvi that everyone loves. My top scientist is a idiot eating things without testing them first and licking rocks etc. my crisis manager is handing out security info with no plan. Except she does run tests before trying to eat things. This is explicitly stated in the dialogue on the matter. As for licking rocks, that is actually not that unusual a thing since the lick test can help tell some minerals apart in ways feeling with your hands can’t. She's run some tests you are right I forgot. But as the Dr is against them and was also able to run tests and find things we could eat per the Aya scanning fruit test her tests were clearly half assed. And yes, in the field without ways to test things we may use the lick test now. It the far future with portable super high sci-fi scanners its just dumb. They are so focused on making everyone quirky they end up bad, and in the end not very quirky because everyone is.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 21, 2019 18:55:57 GMT
Except she does run tests before trying to eat things. This is explicitly stated in the dialogue on the matter. As for licking rocks, that is actually not that unusual a thing since the lick test can help tell some minerals apart in ways feeling with your hands can’t. She's run some tests you are right I forgot. But as the Dr is against them and was also able to run tests and find things we could eat per the Aya scanning fruit test her tests were clearly half assed. And yes, in the field without ways to test things we may use the lick test now. It the far future with portable super high sci-fi scanners its just dumb. They are so focused on making everyone quirky they end up bad, and in the end not very quirky because everyone is. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
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Post by Sah291 on Mar 21, 2019 23:10:35 GMT
Optimistic like Andromeda. I'd still like to see a sequel and the Ryder twins back, but older, more mature, with a more serious tone.
I liked how Andromeda was sort of showing the antithesis to many themes of the trilogy, this was a setting where AI tech survived the journey and was portrayed a bit more positively (though with some perhaps darker undertones with the whole mystery of the Benefactor, etc).
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 22, 2019 2:43:06 GMT
I'd actually like to see, maybe instead of Paragon/Renegade, lighthearted/serious options. You could be the Ryder who forgives Liam for his terrible, traitorous decision (even with the best intentions) or lock him up for it. Then you're either down a squadmate or maybe pick up someone else, like Reyes.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2019 14:31:14 GMT
ah okay I get what your saying. Personally I think all the ME games were good for what they were. ME3 had to be dark because of what it was but I cried a few times and when grunt almost dies I get misty even though I know he lives. Same with mordin and legion. And if thane is my LI it takes all I have not to bawl Wait Mordin dies?
J/K I shoot him in the back every time I can't convince him to stop his insane flip flop.Still usually Wrex is already dead, and Eve isn't stable because I convinced him to destroy the data in ME2. So Mordin lives muhahaahah. I actually kind of like shooting him in the back with Wrex alive story wise because it spirals out pretty far, and while I stand by my decision in character it is really costly.
What flip flop? Putting aside that Mordin was already clearly conflicted about the ethics around the genophage modification project, he even says outright that the reaper invasion was a factor in his decision to cure the krogan. It was pretty obvious that he would’ve maintained his previous position had the galaxy been relatively safe.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 22, 2019 15:14:43 GMT
Wait Mordin dies?
J/K I shoot him in the back every time I can't convince him to stop his insane flip flop.Still usually Wrex is already dead, and Eve isn't stable because I convinced him to destroy the data in ME2. So Mordin lives muhahaahah. I actually kind of like shooting him in the back with Wrex alive story wise because it spirals out pretty far, and while I stand by my decision in character it is really costly.
What flip flop? Putting aside that Mordin was already clearly conflicted about the ethics around the genophage modification project, he even says outright that the reaper invasion was a factor in his decision to cure the krogan. It was pretty obvious that he would’ve maintained his previous position had the galaxy been relatively safe. He knew the reaper invasion was happening in me2. And their birth rate is totally irrelevant to your success vs the reapers. You are buying time to use your magic wand and it doesn’t matter how many kids they pop out as they won’t be anywhere near full grown by the time it’s either built or stopped. He flipped flopped and came up with an excuse to try and convince himself that his purely emotional decision was rational.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 22, 2019 15:20:52 GMT
I'd actually like to see, maybe instead of Paragon/Renegade, lighthearted/serious options. You could be the Ryder who forgives Liam for his terrible, traitorous decision (even with the best intentions) or lock him up for it. Then you're either down a squadmate or maybe pick up someone else, like Reyes. > remove Liam for treason > recruit Reyes who has consistently committed treason on all groups he’s worked with Seems legit.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 22, 2019 15:33:35 GMT
I would shoot Kosta, but my Ryder would hand him over to Nexus security so he can explain why he did what he did. To replace him, have the other sibling on the roster or add Bain Massani so he can call Ryder little duck throughout the game.
I would also get rid of the eye smeared asari. With her crap, I would have left her on the planet, but for my Ryder, he/she would have turned her over to Nexus security to explain why she did what she did. To replace her, put a quarian on the roster, if the quarians are included in a sequel.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2019 15:34:11 GMT
What flip flop? Putting aside that Mordin was already clearly conflicted about the ethics around the genophage modification project, he even says outright that the reaper invasion was a factor in his decision to cure the krogan. It was pretty obvious that he would’ve maintained his previous position had the galaxy been relatively safe. He knew the reaper invasion was happening in me2. And their birth rate is totally irrelevant to your success vs the reapers. You are buying time to use your magic wand and it doesn’t matter how many kids they pop out as they won’t be anywhere near full grown by the time it’s either built or stopped. He flipped flopped and came up with an excuse to try and convince himself that his purely emotional decision was rational. The terms of agreement for providing aid to the turians and in turn to earth is the deciding factor here, not the krogan’s capacity to refill their ranks with young krogan. The krogan would simply say fuck off and the Primarch would go back to die with his people on Palaven while the asari meditated and the salarians hide. The Primarch pretty much started all this with his outright insistence that the krogan are vital to the war effort. But, before Mordin fed intel to the krogan leader, no one had anything of value to offer them as incentive to help.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 22, 2019 15:55:10 GMT
I'd actually like to see, maybe instead of Paragon/Renegade, lighthearted/serious options. You could be the Ryder who forgives Liam for his terrible, traitorous decision (even with the best intentions) or lock him up for it. Then you're either down a squadmate or maybe pick up someone else, like Reyes. > remove Liam for treason > recruit Reyes who has consistently committed treason on all groups he’s worked with Seems legit. He hasn't committed treason against the AI. We know he was "nobody" in the MW. He wasn't exiled from the AI (but did leave with them). He never claimed to be part of the Outcasts so there was no issue there with his betraying her. He does [potentially] eliminate Sloane but let's be honest; she was nothing more than a thug. He sets up a figurehead on Kadara, true, but it least it's an Angara. He participates in the final battle at Meridian. Worst crime? Smuggling. Whatever else he did, he wasn't a traitor to the the AI. Exactly what groups did he commit treason on? I'd really like to know.
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Post by opuspace on Mar 22, 2019 16:48:05 GMT
I would shoot Kosta, but my Ryder would hand him over to Nexus security so he can explain why he did what he did. To replace him, have the other sibling on the roster or add Bain Massani so he can call Ryder little duck throughout the game. I would also get rid of the eye smeared asari. With her crap, I would have left her on the planet, but for my Ryder, he/she would have turned her over to Nexus security to explain why she did what she did. To replace her, put a quarian on the roster, if the quarians are included in a sequel. I definitely wish Massani was a teammate. The Quarians were perfect for Andromeda from mention of them looking into migrating into deep space to their centuries of experience living on starships without a homeworld, it's just disappointing that they never showed up.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 22, 2019 16:54:37 GMT
I would shoot Kosta, but my Ryder would hand him over to Nexus security so he can explain why he did what he did. To replace him, have the other sibling on the roster or add Bain Massani so he can call Ryder little duck throughout the game. I would also get rid of the eye smeared asari. With her crap, I would have left her on the planet, but for my Ryder, he/she would have turned her over to Nexus security to explain why she did what she did. To replace her, put a quarian on the roster, if the quarians are included in a sequel. I definitely wish Massani was a teammate. The Quarians were perfect for Andromeda from mention of them looking into migrating into deep space to their centuries of experience living on starships without a homeworld, it's just disappointing that they never showed up. Next game hopefully they will.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 22, 2019 23:05:42 GMT
I definitely wish Massani was a teammate. The Quarians were perfect for Andromeda from mention of them looking into migrating into deep space to their centuries of experience living on starships without a homeworld, it's just disappointing that they never showed up. Next game hopefully they will. Or they could have showed up in a dlc like they were supposed too.
I'm sorry I went by this post three times and couldn't not say that
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 23, 2019 13:22:26 GMT
In short, both. Everything gets boring real quick otherwise. Ultimately it's about the quality of the writting they pull out.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 23, 2019 16:03:34 GMT
if they go the Volus. I do hope it is more of comedy.
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