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Post by Catilina on Aug 31, 2016 23:57:31 GMT
Catilina : In my canon playthrough I had Fenris spare Varania, both for his sake (she is his only living relative, and I was unsure if he could live with the possible guilt) and Varania's (I pity her; her life seems to have dealt her som harsh blows, and although what she did was terrible I did not find it unforgivable like what Danarius did). Varania looks so different in coloring from Fenris, I wonder if they were only half siblings? I see, they are totally similar. Yes, you right, what she did, that was terrible, but Fenris had kill enough from hatred. He want to stop it, and he also want his hatred left behind.
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Why Wynne call home the Circle? Because it was her home. She was without home, orphan, who was not really able to handle her magic. Population in Thedas towards mages is like Anders biological father. Or like Amell family. "Mage ? In my family !?! That's horrible !" Now there is three way of reacting: Anders father style "I am ashamed that this boy .. this mage ... is my son. (to templars) Please take him away." And then you have Amell/Hawke style "Okay, we have magical kids. We need to hid them and keep them safe from templars !" Wynne parents "She is a mage. We don't need that. Let's take her somewhere where she can get lost from us, and perhaps trouble will fade away." Ferelden Circle was way more like Ostwick Circle. A home, a school, a place with Templars who were not only bunch of sadists. They were more like Sir Barris or those in Ferelden Circle (except traumatized Cullen) Wynne loved that place, it was her home - it was safe for her, around her friends and place where she can without fear practice her magic. There is plenty of evidence that Circle matter is not like Justice (who is a damn demon now) is claiming. It is two sided, like Templar Order. You have good sides and bad sides. And Fenris knew that. That's why he wasn't condamning Templars and neither did he forgot that Circle has a point when it comes to it's existance. dragontartare - "Slut" in mine NATIVE language one means "Zdzira". And only ZDZIRA. Zdzira is someone who is NOT a prostitute. Zdzira is kind of female person (or even male) who is just awfull from behaving, many times likes to fly from guy/girl to guy/girl for their own pleasure. Zdzira/Slut however demands this person to be SELFISH (like Varania), GREEDY (like Varania), UNCOMPASSIONABLE (like Varania) and over all very RUDE (like Varania) So to put in short Varania IS slut. Her being for one point prostitute is meaningless. You have Prostitute - a job. And Slut - a way of being. There is no other translation of "Zdzira" than Slut into English. Little translations: Protytutka - Protitute. A job only. Zdzira - Slut. A way of being, matter of character. Dziwka - Bitch. Uglier version of calling prostitute only. Thank you for the explanation. In English, "slut" refers to a woman -- specifically a woman -- who has lots of casual sex with lots of different partners for pleasure. So, it doesn't actually seem to have much in common with your word "zdzira." "Slut" is a very sexist term (men, by and large, do not get called "sluts" no matter how much indiscriminate sex they have) and very derogatory. Do not call Varania a slut. If we think that Varania turned to prostitution in order to survive, then she was NOT having casual sex, and she was NOT doing it for pleasure. If you think Varania is selfish, greedy, uncompassionate, and rude, then use those words. She is not a slut. For the sake of argument, why do you forgive Fenris for murdering the Fog Warriors, but you can't even try to understand why Varania did what she did to Fenris (terrible though it was)? Catilina : In my canon playthrough I had Fenris spare Varania, both for his sake (she is his only living relative, and I was unsure if he could live with the possible guilt) and Varania's (I pity her; her life seems to have dealt her som harsh blows, and although what she did was terrible I did not find it unforgivable like what Danarius did). Varania looks so different in coloring from Fenris, I wonder if they were only half siblings? I never thought about that. It's possible...although, it is also possible for siblings to have very different coloring even if they have the same parents.
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@ lythinae - Well I could understand that she was desperate. I can imagine that she was tailor as well as when she says "You have no idea what I had to do after our mother died !" she meant she sold herself as prostitute very possibly. But I just can't agree with fact that she wanted to sell Fenris. Again. To Denarius. I may understand why she didn't left the Tevinter since she is a mage. But I am not sure what is worse - being in such poverty as she probably was after being freed, or living in North Circles as mage. I just ... couldn't she leave Tevinter behind if she had nothing to lose anyway ? I'm sure it was about more than just "nothing to lose." She thought she would actually have something to gain by giving Fenris up to Danarius. Hell, it's possible she even thought she was helping Fenris by "saving" him from freedom. It sounds crazy to us, of course, but she grew up in a very different world than any of us did. Regardless, you say "leave Tevinter behind" like that's no big deal. Can you imagine being peniless and having to leave the only home you ever knew? It wouldn't be a trivial thing. Where would you go? How would you get there? How would you get supplies for your journey if you don't even have enough money to make a life for yourself where you already are?It's such a tragedy that Varania didn't reach out to Fenris to ask for his help. Maybe she really did assume that he must be homeless and scrounging in the streets for scraps. ^^ This. Plus, she's an elf – none of her options are good ones. Magic on it's own is not going to be enough to overcome the way Tevinter society treats elves (and it's not like southern Thedas is much better). catilina : In my canon playthrough I had Fenris spare Varania, both for his sake (she is his only living relative, and I was unsure if he could live with the possible guilt) and Varania's (I pity her; her life seems to have dealt her som harsh blows, and although what she did was terrible I did not find it unforgivable like what Danarius did). Varania looks so different in coloring from Fenris, I wonder if they were only half siblings? I usually spare her, though I don't go with the 'family' dialogue option. She's a product of the same fucked up socitey Fenris is, and killing won't change what she's done. (I do headcanon that he and my Hawke talk about grief afterward, since I think he'd still need to greive the loss of a relationship that he did want, and the connection to his life before). I headcanon them as twins, since I like the parrallel between that and the Hawke siblings (which is the other non-story related reason I don't kill her, and I've modded her to look a little bit more like him). Half siblings is definitely possible, too.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 1, 2016 8:36:09 GMT
The reason (other than the difference in looks) for why I think it's possible that Varania and Fenris might be half siblings is that:
- Neither Varania or Fenris mentions their father at all, which would imply that he is either dead or has not been in the picture for a considerable time.
- They are slaves, and from what I've gathered slaves are not allowed to have a family - so either they were enslaved after the birth of Fenris and Varania, or they are the product of illicit nightly meetings, or they are the result of the magisters "breeding" slaves (I really hope not, because that would be horrible if not unheard of).
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Post by noname55rr on Sept 1, 2016 10:50:28 GMT
dragontartare - At least Fenris had explanation about his way of seeing world as slave. He didn't wanted to do it he he did. And when he understood he ran. Varania did what she had to, was ashamed of it, but .. what did she do ? It seems to me that she blamed Fenris for this. This is seriosuly bad here. So Fenris regretted what he had done and blamed himself, but Varania didn't want to get any responsibility for her decision of prostitution so she found a scape-goat. Ugh. Thanks to you I dislike her even more. And I must call her "slut" since English version of "zdzira" even by translators is only this word. Now I must say i am surprised that English don't have any more accurate word of telling "zdzira" other than "slut". And from what I know "slut" is widely used as negative thing to say about woman you you don't like too. I mean we have never seen Isabella banging other males or females at large and yet Aveline at one point called her this way. And shouldn't be "bitch" word describing only sexual women ? In my native "bitch" is more insulting than "slut" ever was. QuizzyBunny - Wasn't in Inquisition at one point founded note of slave father who had slave daughter Lenna working for some other Magister ? Also it was in Inquisition memory of slave who saved his family when Corypheus decided to contact Dumat for last time by blood ritual. So in Ancient Tevinter there were full families of slaves. I think even if father of Fenris and Varania is alive he was sold out to other Magister, or he was killed during his work. Or they may be half-siblings. I don't think Tevinter changed much regarding treating of slaves. Catilina - And what Irving could do ? He was in none power compared to this Chantry Mother. I don't even think Irving was helping in Wynne giving birth too since this is a medical situation and I bet Wynne only wanted women in this being there. And no if they were in trouble (like in case of Uldred rebel) you have seen bunch of mages who wanted to help each other. Like Wynne with her students. They didn't left alone any kid ... at beggining of this mess I must say Cullen also wanted to help but then he was captured and tortured witnessing the death of his fellow templars. Like he said some of them were his friends. When it comes to dealing with CHANTRY itself then both - Templars and Mages alike are POWERLESS. Just look at Petrice. She could do whatever she like with Varnell. First she used him as bodyguard everywhere, and then when she turned him into radical tool she sold him out for Hawke to kill him. Just to hide her crimes. If mages are in trouble - they have each other. If templars have trouble - they have each other. But if in their trouble Chantry appears, those two can't do ANYTHING except to see what Chantry does. That's what happened to Wynne. And it was Wynne who didn't blamed Circle for her kid. Remember old Anders ? How he cheerfully was telling Oghren about sex in Circle ? Situation with kid is result of such behave. What I may not understand is why Chantry even cared to take away kid. Wasn't just from parents alone this seem to be a short recipe for a mage ? Templar + Mage ? Templars in series seem to have awfully big chances of having magical offspring ...
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Post by Catilina on Sept 1, 2016 11:10:47 GMT
[...] Catilina - And what Irving could do ? He was in none power compared to this Chantry Mother. I don't even think Irving was helping in Wynne giving birth too since this is a medical situation and I bet Wynne only wanted women in this being there. And no if they were in trouble (like in case of Uldred rebel) you have seen bunch of mages who wanted to help each other. Like Wynne with her students. They didn't left alone any kid ... at beggining of this mess I must say Cullen also wanted to help but then he was captured and tortured witnessing the death of his fellow templars. Like he said some of them were his friends. When it comes to dealing with CHANTRY itself then both - Templars and Mages alike are POWERLESS. Just look at Petrice. She could do whatever she like with Varnell. First she used him as bodyguard everywhere, and then when she turned him into radical tool she sold him out for Hawke to kill him. Just to hide her crimes. If mages are in trouble - they have each other. If templars have trouble - they have each other. But if in their trouble Chantry appears, those two can't do ANYTHING except to see what Chantry does. That's what happened to Wynne. And it was Wynne who didn't blamed Circle for her kid. Remember old Anders ? How he cheerfully was telling Oghren about sex in Circle ? Situation with kid is result of such behave. What I may not understand is why Chantry even cared to take away kid. Wasn't just from parents alone this seem to be a short recipe for a mage ? Templar + Mage ? Templars in series seem to have awfully big chances of having magical offspring ... Anders. Never. Was. "CHEERFULLY"! He never was that jaunty, funny boy, who has shown himself. He was hopeless, and sarcastic in the Avakening. Since his childhood the hopeful thing that's happened to him was the Warden Commander's offer (and the one really happy thing was Karl's love – but the Circle took Karl away form Anders...). Yes. Wynne didn't blame the Circle, because the Circle was her home, and her life. That's very sad.
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Post by noname55rr on Sept 1, 2016 11:37:44 GMT
[...] Catilina - And what Irving could do ? He was in none power compared to this Chantry Mother. I don't even think Irving was helping in Wynne giving birth too since this is a medical situation and I bet Wynne only wanted women in this being there. And no if they were in trouble (like in case of Uldred rebel) you have seen bunch of mages who wanted to help each other. Like Wynne with her students. They didn't left alone any kid ... at beggining of this mess I must say Cullen also wanted to help but then he was captured and tortured witnessing the death of his fellow templars. Like he said some of them were his friends. When it comes to dealing with CHANTRY itself then both - Templars and Mages alike are POWERLESS. Just look at Petrice. She could do whatever she like with Varnell. First she used him as bodyguard everywhere, and then when she turned him into radical tool she sold him out for Hawke to kill him. Just to hide her crimes. If mages are in trouble - they have each other. If templars have trouble - they have each other. But if in their trouble Chantry appears, those two can't do ANYTHING except to see what Chantry does. That's what happened to Wynne. And it was Wynne who didn't blamed Circle for her kid. Remember old Anders ? How he cheerfully was telling Oghren about sex in Circle ? Situation with kid is result of such behave. What I may not understand is why Chantry even cared to take away kid. Wasn't just from parents alone this seem to be a short recipe for a mage ? Templar + Mage ? Templars in series seem to have awfully big chances of having magical offspring ... Anders. Never. Was. "CHEERFULLY"! He never was that jaunty, funny boy, who has shown himself. He was hopeless, and sarcastic in the Avakening. Yes. Wynne didn't blame the Circle, because the Circle was her home, and her life. That's very sad. Hopeless ? I thought he was joking with Oghren since Oghren insulted his suit by calling it "dress". As for hopeless ... well I never got that vibe from him there. Too much resembled Oghren to me. Wynne did blame Chantry. Circle was her true home, and compare to the rest of her experiance I may easily say it was better. I mean if on contrary you have being alone and trying to survive, or being kept by some farmers who do nothing to stop their oldest from bullying you 24 hours per day by throwing stones, calling you names etc. etc. then I say Circle does seem like "home". Especially if you have members like Petra, this Finn, Irving who is more like mentor etc. Anders .. well let me put this straight here. I mentioned already Anders father yes ? You read that one ? So Anders family was like: father who didn't want him to be his son because he is a MAGE and that was some sort of dishonor thing. And you had mother who wanted to keep him in home, even if he was a mage ! Anders seem to me like he wanted entire Circle time reconnect with his loving mother in Anderfels. So that's why Anders never considered Circle anything else besides word "prison". This is his view, his perspective. Now Wynne or Varania would not have any relatives who would love them. Varania don't mention father, and mother died. Wynne was orphan. Also Varania really wanted to train her magic. That's why she agreed with Denarius offer. Because she wanted to train her magic, and we know how magic rule Tevinter. So at least two points go to Varania when it comes to her life - she has no place to go (like Wynne) and she want to master her skills (like Wynne). Those two points can be easily fullfilled by Circles. With Denarius was already doubt if he was serious with offer. Thanks to Fenris Varania now is outside Tevinter. She don't have money to go back. Since she had coin from Fenris to come to Kirkwall in first place. And her going back was planned to be on cost of Denarius but he is dead now. So she is trapped in Southern Thedas, she can easy reconsider Circles offer. We had few mages in Circle and only Anders was telling you that it was "prison, prison, prison" and nothing positive about it. Maybe easy sex. Wynne was like "It's my home, I love it", Sketch doesn't have much to say except that he run off but he is an elf so I don't know if his issue wasn't race based, Finn who didn't want anything else to see except Circle (they had swimming lessons and he hated them ! He hated being outside of Circle !), Vivienne who praised Circle for being academy, and Fiona who seemed eager with idea of Circle existing but without Chantry influence. The rest mages were apostates who didn't know much about Circle. Only Kirkwall Circle was more like hard prison, with Meredith being in charge of Templars. But Kirkwall itself has some deep darkness even when it comes to normal civilians. I mean Hawke can literally stumble across ancient demons just by going into lower levels of Darktown ! Anyway we shouldn't I guess dwell on topic of Fenris about Circle, wasn't this mentioned before somewhere here ? It was confusing others if I remember correctly.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 1, 2016 11:50:36 GMT
Yes, Anders was hopeless, and YES, SARCASTIC. My first Origin-choice was a Circle-mage character (Surana). The (Ferelden!) Circle seemed for me terrible, unjust and hopeless.
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Post by noname55rr on Sept 1, 2016 12:07:21 GMT
Yes, Anders was hopeless, and YES, SARCASTIC. My first Origin-choice was a Circle-mage character (Surana). The (Ferelden!) Circle seemed for me terrible, unjust and hopeless. Well it's matter of perspective. I may say that Circle seem to be better sort of PRISON .. like LUXURY prison than Alienage. And mine first character was Enayra Tabris. You know in Circle your Surana at least can use her magic. Mine Enayra mother Adaia was KILLED by humans because she was having dagger ! She didn't used it even ! And they have killed her for having this. Enayra was not able to use either bow, sword or daggers in Alienage. She was expected to bow blindly to humans even if they came in to rape her ! This sort of behave will resemble pretty much slavery in Tevinter. So yes in my perspective Tevinter is hell, like Alienage of Denerim was kind like Hell. And Alienage like Circles are APPROVED by Chantry. It is Chantry idea in first place to have Alienages ! Just like Circles or Templar Order ! You are born in Thedas as elf and as mage ! You don't have a choice ! Anders seem to me sooo ... hypocritical at times. He was like "Yeah Alienages are fine, keep those nasty elves there. But Circles are inhumane !!! That's outrageous !" just look at Justice approval to sell back Fenris. I am pretty much on view like Fenris. Alienages and Circles have some good points (like keeping population of elves/mages safe from too much interfere from humans who would want them do some harm - and from games alone I saw a plenty of people who would want to harm mages and elves alike) and then they have pretty nasty negative points. Both have reasons to exist and both fails in many points. They should change. So we now speak about feelings taken from game. In my only Circle mage - Evelyn Travelyan Circle by her was painted like peacefull home. Just like Wynne put it. And we speak about Inquisition where you have Templar-Mage war.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 1, 2016 19:59:13 GMT
Luxury prison still prison. All oppressive system have supporters (such as communism...) and those who quietly endured. From that, they are not good. To be fair: Fenris also not worried about city elves. But this still irrelevant. What about we talking? Not about the Inquisition, and mage–templar war, and not about Anders. We talking about: why Varania don't left Tevinter, and why she betrayed her brother? I never said, what she had done, was acceptable. Probably she betrayed her brother, because she dont wanted to leave Tevinter, but she wanted to live in Tevinter better than before. So: she probably thought about Tevinter, as her home.
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Post by noname55rr on Sept 1, 2016 21:22:58 GMT
Luxury prison still prison. All oppressive system have supporters (such as communism...) and those who quietly endured. From that, they are not good. To be fair: Fenris also not worried about city elves. But this still irrelevant. What about we talking? Not about the Inquisition, and mage–templar war, and not about Anders. We talking about: why Varania don't left Tevinter, and why she betrayed her brother? I never said, what she had done, was acceptable. Probably she betrayed her brother, because she dont wanted to leave Tevinter, but she wanted to live in Tevinter better than before. So: she probably thought about Tevinter, as her home. Catilina - Communism ? Nazism yeah, but Communism from idea (where all people was supposed to be equal and have the same, anyone like Stalin is an insult to this idea) was supposed to be against oppression. After all Communism belongs to systems deep rooted into Anarchy. Unlike many other political systems. Anyway not dwelling on politic. Oh Fenris did not worried. I remember when he was speaking with Merrill. And he stated right over there that he actually LIVED trough state like Alienage is. And I wonder ever since about that. Was he referring to Tevinter times as slave or was he speaking about living in Southern Alienage during his time of escaping Denarius ? If he refers to Tevinter then I have no hope when it comes to this country and slavery. Alienages + SLAVERY ? What is it ? An overkilling combo ? He cared about more people not ending up as slaves. That was priority. As for Merrill she generally didn't really noticed Alienage problems, since she was too much concerned over Sabrae clan. We generally speak about Tevinter, Fenris stand (support Templars) and about Varania. Those all three are tied to various topics. Mage-Templar war, Anders doings, Chantry, Circles and so on and so on. Inquisition is just next step of those themes. I don't accuse you of supporting her being ... yh slut. Slavian meaning version of word "slut". Since dragontartare is so upset over this word. If she thought like this I may say she is again ... slut ? Like really. She come to Kirkwall because Fenris paid for her trip, she came there WITH Denarius since she gave him an info of where Fenris is to sell him out, then she is not even sorry for what she is doing. I generally never understood her with this "I'm sorry Leto." she is sorry of what ? Selling him ? Of her greed ? Did she was sorry that she even felt anythiong to Fenris right over there ? Did she think she is helping ? I wish there would be other way of doing this quest. So Varania wouldn't look so evil. As much as i would want to call her by anything else I just can't. Her whole characterization right over there was like 100% definition of Slavian "Slut" word. Overall I think she do not consider Tevinter her "home". She just is blind like Orana was. Never seen any other country and she has zero idea of possibilities outside Tevinter. So she is concerned of improving her life inside it (like being trained in magic) - there we have this deal with Denarius. I have really confusing situation to had opinion of her. At one part I sympathize with her, but at second I hate her for being in game such slut. Luxury prisons still better prisons than others. Also if Circles are treated by some mages as "home" then it shouldn't be even called prisons. I am not sure if anybody ever liked Alienages on contrast. Anyway I will go from this topic, since the only way to know anything more about Fenris is to counting for Dragon Age 4 finally coming out one day and having Fenris inside it. I hope he will be in 4.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 1, 2016 22:12:44 GMT
Fenris don't worried about the Circles. If he accepted an apostate, he will able to accept, that the mages need to be free, or the relationship will end. Just as if Hawke don't accept, that the slavery is bad. This is simple. In the long run a man can not live with a someone, who have a completely different set of values. It will be difficult to retrieve him. I hope if Fenris will be back, it will not be a disappointment. (Communism is bad. Perhaps, based on a nice idea, but bad in the reality. Failed, yes, you know... This forced equality was not freedom: The existing communist / socialist form of government was hypocrite, stupid, cruel, and yes, was slavery for too much good person. Nonetheless still have so much supporter.)
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 2, 2016 0:21:18 GMT
dragontartare - At least Fenris had explanation about his way of seeing world as slave. He didn't wanted to do it he he did. And when he understood he ran. Varania did what she had to, was ashamed of it, but .. what did she do ? It seems to me that she blamed Fenris for this. This is seriosuly bad here. So Fenris regretted what he had done and blamed himself, but Varania didn't want to get any responsibility for her decision of prostitution so she found a scape-goat. Ugh. Thanks to you I dislike her even more. And I must call her "slut" since English version of "zdzira" even by translators is only this word. Now I must say i am surprised that English don't have any more accurate word of telling "zdzira" other than "slut". And from what I know "slut" is widely used as negative thing to say about woman you you don't like too. I mean we have never seen Isabella banging other males or females at large and yet Aveline at one point called her this way. And shouldn't be "bitch" word describing only sexual women ? In my native "bitch" is more insulting than "slut" ever was. ...snip... I'll tackle the curse words first: It looks like English doesn't have a perfect translation of "zdzira." Or maybe "bitch" is actually a better translation. It is also a bad word, but it is usually not sexual (except sometimes...see below). A "bitch" can be simply a very rude, arrogant, or selfish person. So, for instance, if you said, "Varania was a bitch," then that would mean, "Varania was a very nasty and horrible person." Or if you said, "It was bitchy of Varania to betray Fenris," then that would mean, "It was very nasty and horrible of Varania to betray Fenris." I would argue with you much less if you said one of those things, because you would not be making light of sexual abuse. On the other hand, if someone said, "Danarius made Varania his bitch," that could be sexual, but is definitely awful. The possessive word "his" is what changes the meaning. The word "slut" is sexual, always. It refers to a woman who has lots of casual sex for pleasure. I take issue with this word for two reasons: 1) If a woman (such as Isabela, for example) wants to have sex with lots of people and her partners are willing adults, then so what? She isn't hurting anyone. 2) Calling Varania a slut makes light of what we think happened to her. If she was forced into prostitution because she had no other way of making ends meet, then dismissing this as a supposed moral failing on her part is abhorrent. Her becoming a prostitute hurt no one but herself. And now the first part: The difference here is that by the time we meet Fenris, he has already reached his revelation about slavery and the horribleness of what he did to the Fog Warriors. We meet Varania before she can come to the same conclusion about her own actions. You haven't given Varania even a chance to regret what she did...although, to be honest, she already doesn't seem too proud of herself when we meet her at the Hanged Man. She is desperate, and her desperation led her to do something truly awful. ...snip... I wish there would be other way of doing this quest. So Varania wouldn't look so evil. As much as i would want to call her by anything else I just can't. Her whole characterization right over there was like 100% definition of Slavian "Slut" word.Overall I think she do not consider Tevinter her "home". She just is blind like Orana was. Never seen any other country and she has zero idea of possibilities outside Tevinter. So she is concerned of improving her life inside it (like being trained in magic) - there we have this deal with Denarius. I have really confusing situation to had opinion of her. At one part I sympathize with her, but at second I hate her for being in game such slut....snip... Okaaaay, and you're still doing it. I hope my explanation above makes more sense, because you seriously need to stop calling Varania a slut. Your word "zdzira," as you have described it, is much closer to "bitch" or "asshole", and I don't care what the online translators say. When you say, "...I hate her for being in game such slut," then you are really saying, "...I hate her for having so much sex with so many people." And that's a pretty nasty thing to say about someone who (we think) was forced to become a prostitute because she didn't know what else to do. QuizzyBunny That...is a disturbing possibility, considering that "slave breeding" is precisely what happened in the Atlantic slave trade. I suppose all we really know about the father is that he was an elf. (Or both were elves.) Sooo...on a lighter note, I found two mods to make Varania look more like Fenris. Does anyone have experience with either of them? Nicol's Varania Morphivey's Varania and Lia mod
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 5:45:04 GMT
I've used the first one, and it looks really lovely in game (plus it makes my headcanon a little more likely ). I'm not sure if it was the skin tone in combination with bright orange hair, but her vanilla model looks very pink in comparison.
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Post by noname55rr on Sept 2, 2016 18:02:01 GMT
dragontartare - "Bitch" is translated into "dziwka". Now only into "dziwka". Dziwka is rude calling only for prostitute. It's literally accusation of being prostitute with much negativity. I am not rapper so I don't see any use for term "bitch" too often. I do not accuse her of being prostitute. That alone is fine with me. Like I mentioned previous SLAVIAN version of word "slut". Meaning whatever you assume to word itself is thrown away by me for version of what this word exacly means in mine country. We can't exacly make agreement in culture and languages. I will call her a slut because that's how you translates "zdzira" into English. Whoever thought in first place to make "slut" - zdzira and "bitch" - dziwka, you can complain to them. I don't want accuse Varania of being prostitute, I want to call her how she behave. She is exact meaning of "zdzira" not "dziwka". Anyway I don't want to argue over culture differences, because we basically argue now about it ... just I say Varania was UNPLEASANT elven girl. VERY unpleasant. And yeah when it comes to wonders of languages in older times word "kobieta" - "woman" was used as an insult no better than "dziwka" - "bitch". On this note I may also say that in those times we were using word "dziewka" (older version of "dziwka") to describe POSITIVE girls and adult women. I believe on timeline also English has such wonders of changes in meanings. Catilina - Dissapointment is depended on perspective. That's the trouble. If for example Fenris would reappear without Hawke, telling me that they broke up because he needs to fight slavery in Tevinter, he would be butchered from look and they would switch him another voice-actor (like in case of Mordin Solus for ME3) then I bet I would be dissapointed. Hopefully he will reappear and have better role than Hawke had in Inquisition. Because I feel that entire Hawke reappear in Inquisition was just to calm fans and then make excuse for "MOAR DRAMA !!!" when it came to end of quest line. Now for DA 4 we at least already have one "Drama" situation. Ending things between Inquisitor and Solas (BioWare I won't even be mad if Verissa and Solas will die in the end). So it would be more logical if second part about changing Tevinter itself from slavery as from Magisterium would be taken more lightly.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Sept 2, 2016 18:22:10 GMT
dragontartare - "Bitch" is translated into "dziwka". Now only into "dziwka". Dziwka is rude calling only for prostitute. It's literally accusation of being prostitute with much negativity. I am not rapper so I don't see any use for term "bitch" too often. I do not accuse her of being prostitute. That alone is fine with me. Like I mentioned previous SLAVIAN version of word "slut". Meaning whatever you assume to word itself is thrown away by me for version of what this word exacly means in mine country. We can't exacly make agreement in culture and languages. I will call her a slut because that's how you translates "zdzira" into English. Whoever thought in first place to make "slut" - zdzira and "bitch" - dziwka, you can complain to them. I don't want accuse Varania of being prostitute, I want to call her how she behave. She is exact meaning of "zdzira" not "dziwka". Anyway I don't want to argue over culture differences, because we basically argue now about it ... just I say Varania was UNPLEASANT elven girl. VERY unpleasant. And yeah when it comes to wonders of languages in older times word "kobieta" - "woman" was used as an insult no better than "dziwka" - "bitch". On this note I may also say that in those times we were using word "dziewka" (older version of "dziwka") to describe POSITIVE girls and adult women. I believe on timeline also English has such wonders of changes in meanings. Catilina - Dissapointment is depended on perspective. That's the trouble. If for example Fenris would reappear without Hawke, telling me that they broke up because he needs to fight slavery in Tevinter, he would be butchered from look and they would switch him another voice-actor (like in case of Mordin Solus for ME3) then I bet I would be dissapointed. Hopefully he will reappear and have better role than Hawke had in Inquisition. Because I feel that entire Hawke reappear in Inquisition was just to calm fans and then make excuse for "MOAR DRAMA !!!" when it came to end of quest line. Now for DA 4 we at least already have one "Drama" situation. Ending things between Inquisitor and Solas (BioWare I won't even be mad if Verissa and Solas will die in the end). So it would be more logical if second part about changing Tevinter itself from slavery as from Magisterium would be taken more lightly. Unfortunately I don't think they'll be bringing Fenris back. Too many different possibilities for where he is in people's game states. The only character I think we will actually see in DA4 is Dorian. After all the outrage from people who didn't like how their Hawke's were portrayed I don't think we will see the Inquisitor as a cameo either. But they should feel free to bring Fenris' VA back in a prominent role. Hehehe
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 2, 2016 22:58:14 GMT
Unfortunately I don't think they'll be bringing Fenris back. Too many different possibilities for where he is in people's game states. The only character I think we will actually see in DA4 is Dorian. After all the outrage from people who didn't like how their Hawke's were portrayed I don't think we will see the Inquisitor as a cameo either. But they should feel free to bring Fenris' VA back in a prominent role. Hehehe Well, Gideon Emery already voiced Samson in Inquisition, so I doubt he will get another prominent role in the next game sadly... But hey, Fenris might still make a small cameo like Alistair did in DA:I!
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 2, 2016 23:33:50 GMT
It would be really fun to see Fenris again, as long as they don't destroy his character. That's my only concern. A little cameo, or maybe a letter showing he and a romanced Hawke are working in Tevinter, or travelling together, or...something. I refuse to acknowledge that Hawke is dead in some world states. So! Another fun picture. I just about died seeing this one:
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 4, 2016 9:59:34 GMT
I felt very sorry for him of what he has gone through as a slave and his mind is damaged from all the evil of that motherfucker had done to him. Danarius obviously raped him and if I were Fenris I would take my time killing him slow by tearing his limbs off one by one while he was alive. I let him run, scream, and cry to put fear into him, and after his limbs were gone I'll tear his head off with my bare hands.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 4, 2016 10:50:18 GMT
I felt very sorry for him of what he has gone through as a slave and his mind is damaged from all the evil of that motherfucker had done to him. Danarius obviously raped him and if I were Fenris I would take my time killing him slow by tearing his limbs off one by one while he was alive. I let him run, scream, and cry to put fear into him, and after his limbs were gone I'll tear his head off withy bare hands. Fenris quite killed him, I did not think he (Fenris) would have been sadistic inclinations.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 4, 2016 21:03:06 GMT
Quick death is far too kind for that evil motherfucker.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 4, 2016 21:18:20 GMT
Quick death is far too kind for that evil motherfucker. But from Fenris' viewpoint totally sufficient. Fenris' thinking logical. He can't let Danarius go, because he dangerous, and yes, he can't forgive him, but he just want to left his anger, and I don't know, that the sadism how can help for it. Fenris is not bloodthirsty.
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 4, 2016 21:48:31 GMT
I agree...while Danarius absolutely deserved to suffer, it is not in Fenris' nature to torture someone to death. He wanted closure, and an end to his life as a fugitive, and a quick (though violent) death for Danarius gave him that.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 4, 2016 22:52:46 GMT
Look if someone had raped you and end up traumatized beyond repair, you would torture him too so he could live in horror before he dies and he would wish he was never born.
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