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Post by SomberXIII on Feb 16, 2020 6:33:35 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ Drew Karpyshyn joined Archetype Entertainment because the previous dev FogBank whom he wrote stories for got closed down by Disney. But okay it’s fine to twist this because it gets clicks.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 16, 2020 6:41:21 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ You do realize he never said when he started to feel that way. So it could have been even before Microsoft and EA were their publishers and it started with Jade Empire or another game BioWare made. Just because he said something negative doesn't automatically mean it started with EA.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 16, 2020 7:08:00 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ Like many other games company, shocking to you isn't it?
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 16, 2020 7:20:12 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ Yep, how will they ever replace Drew's past contributions to the Dragon Age franchise?!
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 16, 2020 14:39:08 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ Like many other games company, shocking to you isn't it? They partnered with Wizards of the Coast which is owned by Hasbro so that environment won't become too corporate would it?
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 16, 2020 15:28:26 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ oooh corporate, scary. This is the substance:
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 16, 2020 15:29:37 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ Drew Karpyshyn joined Archetype Entertainment because the previous dev FogBank whom he wrote stories for got closed down by Disney. But okay it’s fine to twist this because it gets clicks. Did you even read what he said? Or are we just going to ignore it because it doesnt paint Bioware in positive light?
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 16, 2020 15:32:26 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ Like many other games company, shocking to you isn't it? You mean like Naughty Dog who has not only been able to sustain success but increasingly improve it?
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Post by SomberXIII on Feb 16, 2020 15:40:19 GMT
Drew Karpyshyn joined Archetype Entertainment because the previous dev FogBank whom he wrote stories for got closed down by Disney. But okay it’s fine to twist this because it gets clicks. Did you even read what he said? Or are we just going to ignore it because it doesnt paint Bioware in positive light? Yes I did. Doesn't change the fact that I pointed out. I'm taking his comment with a grain of salt just like you are being skeptical with Bioware. Can't be helped. This comment might be my last contribution here. The topic was titled "Can DA4 even compete in today's quality of games?" but rather dwelled on subjects that's far off-topic. It's less about asking the members on whether DA4 could be a good game but more about how the OP and a few others venting out their frustrations with Bioware. Like I said, can't be helped. So long.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 16, 2020 16:01:59 GMT
Like many other games company, shocking to you isn't it? You mean like Naughty Dog who has not only been able to sustain success but increasingly improve it? What does that have to do with my point?
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 16, 2020 16:10:55 GMT
Like many other games company, shocking to you isn't it? You mean like Naughty Dog who has not only been able to sustain success but increasingly improve it? That doesn't mean they aren't a corporate environment either especially with how they have talked about crunch and how much they have locked down what employees can say doesn't scream out to me claiming they are not a corporate environment that fosters individuality and taking risks.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 16, 2020 16:12:39 GMT
You mean like Naughty Dog who has not only been able to sustain success but increasingly improve it? That doesn't mean they aren't a corporate environment either especially with how they have talked about crunch and how much they have locked down what employees can say doesn't scream out to me claiming they are not a corporate environment that fosters individuality and taking risks. Besides, Naughty Dog has had some production troubles with The Last of Us and Uncharted I believe.
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Post by githcheater on Feb 16, 2020 16:18:30 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ Thanks Majestic for linking this article.
Somber had nothing better to do than necro a thread that had been dead for over three weeks just so he can rag on those who don't see Bioware with rose tinted glasses.
I am thankful for occasionally hearing an alternate viewpoint rather than just how "awesome" Bioware is.
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Post by melbella on Feb 16, 2020 16:30:09 GMT
I am thankful for occasionally hearing an alternate viewpoint rather than just how "awesome" Bioware is. I guess you aren't paying attention then, because that quote from Karpyshyn was posted a week or so ago in a different thread.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 16, 2020 16:42:28 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ Thanks Majestic for linking this article.
Somber had nothing better to do than necro a thread that had been dead for over three weeks just so he can rag on those who don't see Bioware with rose tinted glasses.
I am thankful for occasionally hearing an alternate viewpoint rather than just how "awesome" Bioware is.
Have you seen this site? Opinions about Bioware vary from "awesome" to "awful".
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Post by slimgrin727 on Feb 16, 2020 17:46:34 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ oooh corporate, scary. To be fair, this is what critics were saying on the original BSN after EA acquired Bioware. Though there's obviously more to it since they made good games under EA as well.
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 16, 2020 18:08:07 GMT
You mean like Naughty Dog who has not only been able to sustain success but increasingly improve it? That doesn't mean they aren't a corporate environment either especially with how they have talked about crunch and how much they have locked down what employees can say doesn't scream out to me claiming they are not a corporate environment that fosters individuality and taking risks. BioWare has been "corporate" since they were acquired by EA in 2007. So, does he think working under the "Wizards of the Coast" umbrella is going to be less "corporate"? Drew just sounds petty here...
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Post by smilesja on Feb 16, 2020 18:22:55 GMT
To be fair, this is what critics were saying on the original BSN after EA acquired Bioware. Though there's obviously more to it since they made good games under EA as well. That is true.
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Post by Frost on Feb 16, 2020 18:27:35 GMT
EA/Bioware deprioritized working on rpgs (and single-player games) to work on a looter shooter, so definitely corporate. Can they still make a good rpg? I will have to wait and see when/if DA4 comes out. Archetype looks good so far, but there have been no details about specific games. So, I will wait for more information there as well.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 16, 2020 18:30:36 GMT
Drew Karpyshyn joined Archetype Entertainment because the previous dev FogBank whom he wrote stories for got closed down by Disney. But okay it’s fine to twist this because it gets clicks. Did you even read what he said? Or are we just going to ignore it because it doesnt paint Bioware in positive light? I don't think the argument is something being glossed over. It's more like, as unfortunate as it is, this is kinda what things eventually lead to when you're working for a Third-Party publisher. Such a sentiment would likely be shared by many other developers working at big-name publishers, be it Ubisoft, Take-Two Interactive, EA, etc. It's often times a balancing act where Developers try to push back against corporate influence. Do you think Rockstar would have wanted to have $100 Shark Cards in their game? Do you think they would have even wanted multiplayer at all? Do you think Naughty Dog wanted to make Uncharted: Lost Legacy, or do you think Sony wanted them to cash in on the Uncharted name one last time (which may not even be the last time)? We also need to consider that, just because a prominent writer or developer speaks up about corporate influence impacting one particular studio, that doesn't mean it isn't happening elsewhere. It's just that people at these other studios are remaining quite. One thought experiment I do run in my mind sometimes is what would have happened if BioWare had become a 1st-party studio for Microsoft. I imagine things wouldn't have changed all that much during the Don Mattric days, since he ran Microsoft almost similarly to EA; at a time when every game was adding multiplayer modes to them. With Phil Spencer, he seems to be relatively more studio inclined, even if the titles put out by said 1st-party studios haven't always been stellar.
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Post by Frost on Feb 16, 2020 18:41:14 GMT
One thought experiment I do run in my mind sometimes is what would have happened if BioWare had become a 1st-party studio for Microsoft. I imagine things wouldn't have changed all that much during the Don Mattric days, since he ran Microsoft almost similarly to EA; at a time when every game was adding multiplayer modes to them. With Phil Spencer, he seems to be relatively more studio inclined, even if the titles put out by said 1st-party studios haven't always been stellar. Microsoft bought Obsidian not long ago, so we will see what they do with an rpg studio. In general I am waiting to see which studio(s) will make the rpgs I want to play.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 16, 2020 19:13:45 GMT
Did you even read what he said? Or are we just going to ignore it because it doesnt paint Bioware in positive light? Yes I did. Doesn't change the fact that I pointed out. I'm taking his comment with a grain of salt just like you are being skeptical with Bioware. Can't be helped. This comment might be my last contribution here. The topic was titled "Can DA4 even compete in today's quality of games?" but rather dwelled on subjects that's far off-topic. It's less about asking the members on whether DA4 could be a good game but more about how the OP and a few others venting out their frustrations with Bioware. Like I said, can't be helped. So long. Lol of course you'll take it with a grain of salt, it paints Bioware in a negative light. Denial is one hell of a drug.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Feb 16, 2020 19:20:23 GMT
EA may have done some meddling. I believe they were the ones that cut DA2's development time so short. But then they gave Bioware 7 bloody years on Anthem, and reading Schreier's report it's clear all the blame in that case is on Bioware. I think the sad reality is most of the former devs have moved on for various reasons and their replacements just aren't as talented.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 16, 2020 19:22:27 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ You show people the truth, they still want to believe that BioWare can't do no wrong.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 16, 2020 19:27:35 GMT
Doesnt look good for DA4. wccftech.com/former-bioware-writer-joins-archetype-entertainment-says-bioware-has-become-corporate/ You show people the truth, they still want to believe that BioWare can't do no wrong. Hilarious coming from people who take Yongyea's word as truth or any article that thrashes Bioware.
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