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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 21, 2019 17:17:31 GMT
Nah. Fenris still could show up in a scenario where you get different characters depending on the world state. You know, like Loghain/Alistair/Stroud in HLTA. Well it might simply depend on whether his voice actor is available and they want to spend resources on it. Plus there was a logical reason why we got those alternatives as the plot demanded a Grey Warden contact and each fitted with the world state established for the earlier games and had already been introduced to people who had played them. Much of the dialogue was also applicable to all three, with a few variants to distinguish between them. I struggle to think of a scenario in which there were known alternatives to Fenris that we have met in previous games who could substitute for him. Marius might be an alternative mage hunter but you have to have read the comics (or Calpernia's story) to know anything about him. Otherwise he is just some random dude. However, I suppose if there was a sub-plot or section of the main plot involving a mage killer, that would allow them to utilise Fenris or Marius and a codex could fill us in on the latter.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 21, 2019 18:10:55 GMT
I struggle to think of a scenario in which there were known alternatives to Fenris that we have met in previous games who could substitute for him. It doesn't have to be a known alternative; it can be a new character for whatever quest, or Fenris, depending on world state. They already did this in DA2. If you import a save with Nathaniel alive, a known character, you get his side quest in Act 3; if not, there is a different side quest with different characters; both of the quests involve the same area of the Deep Roads.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 21, 2019 19:25:05 GMT
This comic is sounding so good. I can't wait!
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Oct 22, 2019 5:24:38 GMT
though we’d need another mini to fill that out Interesting. Interesting. Hmmm. So we might be getting more than Blue Wraith alone, then. Interesting. Thanks nunziodefilippis . I'm guessing at least part of that will do with Blue Wraith's success. Any chance for an ongoing Dragon Age series of comics? Something that you've ever talked about with Bioware/Dark Horse? As you can see here, the wait between games can be a bit brutal, sometimes We've never discussed an ongoing series. We've worked in miniseries, but also with an eye on the big picture for these characters. So we plot far ahead of the current mini, and then adjust as we move forward. For example, we had a story planned for Blue Wraith before we wrote Deception. We adjusted our plans after writing Deception (most particularly because of Francesca), and again when it came time to write this, once we went into the details and got notes from Bioware. So we are, in some ways, working on a series of miniseries length stories. The only real differences are the delays between minis, and the fact that we can't promise a next mini until everything is confirmed.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 22, 2019 15:36:52 GMT
Interesting. Interesting. Hmmm. So we might be getting more than Blue Wraith alone, then. Interesting. Thanks nunziodefilippis . I'm guessing at least part of that will do with Blue Wraith's success. Any chance for an ongoing Dragon Age series of comics? Something that you've ever talked about with Bioware/Dark Horse? As you can see here, the wait between games can be a bit brutal, sometimes We've never discussed an ongoing series. We've worked in miniseries, but also with an eye on the big picture for these characters. So we plot far ahead of the current mini, and then adjust as we move forward. For example, we had a story planned for Blue Wraith before we wrote Deception. We adjusted our plans after writing Deception (most particularly because of Francesca), and again when it came time to write this, once we went into the details and got notes from Bioware. So we are, in some ways, working on a series of miniseries length stories. The only real differences are the delays between minis, and the fact that we can't promise a next mini until everything is confirmed. The wait and delays between minis is what I am referring to. I do understand the problem it would pose to write the same character over and over again, though, as a dedicated on going series with a dedicated protagonist. That must get a little bit drab, after a while. I do wonder, though, what the "big picture" for these characters eventually is. Now you've teased me and I like where my mind wanders. Many thanks, yet again for taking the time to answer my questions.
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Oct 22, 2019 18:02:15 GMT
The wait and delays between minis is what I am referring to. I do understand the problem it would pose to write the same character over and over again, though, as a dedicated on going series with a dedicated protagonist. That must get a little bit drab, after a while. I do wonder, though, what the "big picture" for these characters eventually is. Now you've teased me and I like where my mind wanders. Many thanks, yet again for taking the time to answer my questions. Honestly, if you love the characters you're writing and the story world you're writing for, an ongoing is exciting. Amazing Agent Luna, the X-Men... we never felt like we were with them too long, and probably could have kept going in both worlds for a very long time. The same holds true here - we love Thedas, and there is so much more to explore. And the characters we're building and creating still have a lot more to do and say, so we could write them for a very long time. With these minis, there is a specific big picture that extends past Blue Wraith but has a definite conclusion we're moving towards. But then, beyond the conclusion of that larger story arc, there is a lot more we'd love to do or say with this group of characters we've assembled.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 22, 2019 18:09:02 GMT
The same holds true here - we love Thedas, and there is so much more to explore. And the characters we're building and creating still have a lot more to do and say, so we could write them for a very long time. I just wanted to say that I read the article in which you answered questions about the comic and enjoyed it. However, you mentioned how you were disappointed at the reaction to Calix compared with the other characters. I actually thought Calix might turn out to be an interesting character because he wasn't immediately likeable in the way that Vaea or Ser Aaron were,but then you had only really scratched the surface with him in Deception, so I hope you will persevere with him.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 22, 2019 19:07:56 GMT
I'm not crazy about the hair, but it's nice that they evolved his look. I get that these characters have an iconic appearance, but it's a bit silly to see characters that look exactly the same after however many years.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 23, 2019 12:04:21 GMT
The wait and delays between minis is what I am referring to. I do understand the problem it would pose to write the same character over and over again, though, as a dedicated on going series with a dedicated protagonist. That must get a little bit drab, after a while. I do wonder, though, what the "big picture" for these characters eventually is. Now you've teased me and I like where my mind wanders. Many thanks, yet again for taking the time to answer my questions. Honestly, if you love the characters you're writing and the story world you're writing for, an ongoing is exciting. Amazing Agent Luna, the X-Men... we never felt like we were with them too long, and probably could have kept going in both worlds for a very long time. The same holds true here - we love Thedas, and there is so much more to explore. And the characters we're building and creating still have a lot more to do and say, so we could write them for a very long time. With these minis, there is a specific big picture that extends past Blue Wraith but has a definite conclusion we're moving towards. But then, beyond the conclusion of that larger story arc, there is a lot more we'd love to do or say with this group of characters we've assembled. I very much feel like that for a great many characters, but I get the feeling, from Bioware's writing team at least, that after a 4 year development cycle, they are not too keen on writing the same characters for their next game. Which I totally understand. 4 years is a long time and you'd want to try something new, after that.
Of course, I do have to commend the enthusiasm you put in making these mini-series, but I am sure a few here would love an ongoing series, even more. And so would you, I'm guessing. I can't hope to get you to share with us something pertaining to that big picture? I'm sure we'll find more in Blue Wraith, either way. Anything that you would like to spoil us? Like, does all this build up mean we can expect a big showing for Dread Wolf, for example?
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Oct 24, 2019 4:37:23 GMT
I very much feel like that for a great many characters, but I get the feeling, from Bioware's writing team at least, that after a 4 year development cycle, they are not too keen on writing the same characters for their next game. Which I totally understand. 4 years is a long time and you'd want to try something new, after that.
Of course, I do have to commend the enthusiasm you put in making these mini-series, but I am sure a few here would love an ongoing series, even more. And so would you, I'm guessing. I can't hope to get you to share with us something pertaining to that big picture? I'm sure we'll find more in Blue Wraith, either way. Anything that you would like to spoil us? Like, does all this build up mean we can expect a big showing for Dread Wolf, for example?
Don't know the specifics of working on a game for 4 years, so I can't say I wouldn't feel that way. I just know from writing comics and manga, it'd be hard to imagine me feeling that way after 4 years with characters. If we'd been on X-Men longer, maybe we'd have been tired of writing the same characters. But 4 years? I'd definitely have kept going. And on Luna, we wrote those characters for 10 years, and would have been happy to continue. As for the Big Picture... I can't even promise a miniseries after Blue Wraith, so I don't want to spoil what we might hypothetically write. Just know that the Dread Wolf is part of our thinking when we plan these things. Can't promise anything more than that.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 24, 2019 5:03:45 GMT
Fenris' opinions on Solas outta be... interesting. lol (Assuming we get them, of course.)
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 24, 2019 14:57:42 GMT
I very much feel like that for a great many characters, but I get the feeling, from Bioware's writing team at least, that after a 4 year development cycle, they are not too keen on writing the same characters for their next game. Which I totally understand. 4 years is a long time and you'd want to try something new, after that.
Of course, I do have to commend the enthusiasm you put in making these mini-series, but I am sure a few here would love an ongoing series, even more. And so would you, I'm guessing. I can't hope to get you to share with us something pertaining to that big picture? I'm sure we'll find more in Blue Wraith, either way. Anything that you would like to spoil us? Like, does all this build up mean we can expect a big showing for Dread Wolf, for example?
Don't know the specifics of working on a game for 4 years, so I can't say I wouldn't feel that way. I just know from writing comics and manga, it'd be hard to imagine me feeling that way after 4 years with characters. If we'd been on X-Men longer, maybe we'd have been tired of writing the same characters. But 4 years? I'd definitely have kept going. And on Luna, we wrote those characters for 10 years, and would have been happy to continue. As for the Big Picture... I can't even promise a miniseries after Blue Wraith, so I don't want to spoil what we might hypothetically write. Just know that the Dread Wolf is part of our thinking when we plan these things. Can't promise anything more than that. I also understand the sentiment of bonding with a character, over a long standing series. I love the fact that an argument can be made both ways and would ultimately depend on the individuals involved and the characters as they develop in a story. Speaking of Manga, Dragon Ball is still being made, even today, so that's certainly an argument about a creator loving and sticking with their character(s) for a veeeery long period of time. As a fan of the X-Men myself and one that's been reading them since the late 80s to early 90s, which is kinda how long I've known how to read, I can definitely say that I have a hard time saying goodbye to two of my favourite characters, Wolverine and Nightcrawler, who had both died and remained dead for an extended period of time in the past decade or so. We love the commitment of the creators to their characters, which in turn fuels our dedication and investment in their storylines.
Alright, I see a big team-up for Dread Wolf as a culmination of our journey that started with Origins, then. It's just my prediction, from our conversations and I do understand not everyone will turn up, but I do expect a big showing. Now what's left is to speculate on the who and how, as that part is much more fun than actually knowing.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 25, 2019 12:43:04 GMT
Fenris' opinions on Solas outta be... interesting. lol (Assuming we get them, of course.) Oh, you know. "As expected from a mage "
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 25, 2019 13:01:12 GMT
Fenris' opinions on Solas outta be... interesting. lol (Assuming we get them, of course.) Oh, you know. "As expected from a mage " And then there's an explosion, yes. lol I look forward to it.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 12, 2019 21:44:10 GMT
Axe of Kindness @larakaaaOh there's another #DragonAge Miniseries coming soon!
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Post by Little Bengel on Nov 12, 2019 22:14:50 GMT
Axe of Kindness @larakaaaOh there's another #DragonAge Miniseries coming soon! I see nothing but elves in that page, and only elven slaves are being discussed. Red flags slowly rise
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 12, 2019 22:17:47 GMT
A little background on Nenealeus who bought & trained Marius to be a Mage-Killer: "They were as discreet as they could be. But Marius’s talents were drawing more and more attention. Even Calpernia saw he was wasted as a bodyguard. With the right training he could become a talented assassin or even a mage-killer: a source of prestige for any magister and a way to tip the political scale. But she told herself Erasthenes didn’t care about such things, only his work. It would be all right. When it happened, it was painfully quick. Calpernia came home from the markets shouldering a bag of vegetables to see Erasthenes speaking with a stooped but powerful man. Even in her exhaustion Calpernia knew Nenealeus the trainer, the one who honed the finest fighters in the city—if they survived. She knew at once for whom he had come. Dumping the vegetables in the kitchen, she raced through the mansion, from room to room, her eyes becoming more frantic as she realized Marius was already gone. There were no goodbyes. Coin changed hands, a ledger was signed, and it was done. Calpernia looked for Marius’s name on the roster each time Nenealeus’s slaves posted it in the marketplace, but she never saw it. When rumors of his fate crisscrossed the mansion, she couldn’t bear to listen. She refused to imagine a riven helmet or blood on the hot sand of the training ground."
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 12, 2019 23:11:21 GMT
I see nothing but elves in that page, and only elven slaves are being discussed. Red flags slowly riseCan you explain your trepidation here? We know that Fenris goes around attacking slavers and freeing slaves. Aside from the specific conversation topic, this seems like just another day for him.
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Post by Little Bengel on Nov 12, 2019 23:13:52 GMT
I see nothing but elves in that page, and only elven slaves are being discussed. Red flags slowly riseCan you explain your trepidation here? We know that Fenris goes around attacking slavers and freeing slaves. Aside from the specific conversation topic, this seems like just another day for him. Let's say there's now a non-zero chance his talents in freeing slaves may be being put to good use by a certain bald boi.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 12, 2019 23:44:51 GMT
Let's say there's now a non-zero chance his talents in freeing slaves may be being put to good use by a certain bald boi. Oh! Hm... Well I was going to argue against the possibility, but it's difficult to know how Solas recruits, what he tells his agents, and what they in turn tell others. Fenris has some things going for him in this regard, however: he's intelligent, he's cautious, and he's slow to trust, all of which make him a less-than-ideal candidate for recruitment by Solas or his agents; they'll want someone who will follow blindly, and that does not describe Fenris (at this point in his life). If you just mean that, even without recruitment, Solas is taking advantage of the chaos and mage paranoia created by the Blue Wraith's activities, then that's to be expected. I would hope that any villain worth his salt would do the same; in the end, it's less work for him and means he's freer to machinate from the shadows.
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Post by xerrai on Nov 13, 2019 0:25:14 GMT
Let's say there's now a non-zero chance his talents in freeing slaves may be being put to good use by a certain bald boi. Oh! Hm... Well I was going to argue against the possibility, but it's difficult to know how Solas recruits, what he tells his agents, and what they in turn tell others. Fenris has some things going for him in this regard, however: he's intelligent, he's cautious, and he's slow to trust, all of which make him a less-than-ideal candidate for recruitment by Solas or his agents; they'll want someone who will follow blindly, and that does not describe Fenris (at this point in his life). [...] Are we so sure about that? Just like we don't know how he recruits, we don't know what his criteria is for recruitment either. At least not for certain. But Solas isn't building your standard marching army, he's building an intelligence and special agent network. In such lines of work it will not be uncommon for agents to be sent behind enemy lines, maintain thier own communications in certain regions, and potentially remain outside of contact with a superior for several days/months at a time. And this all has to be done with minimal chance of discovery or betrayal. Your average grunts might be able to do that in a pinch at the lowest rungs, but I doubt they would have the intelligence and problem-solving skill to really maintain the security for anything really significant. At best they will pick up on gossip and rumors for the slums or a particular lord's territory, but that's about it. I'm sure even Briala, being primarily focused on city elves that she was, still ensured that she had a robust roster of elves that could adeptly play the Game instead on relying on alienage grunts. And since Solas will probably be focusing on area that are more high class (either for the purpose of info or relics) it would actually make sense for Solas to prioritize the recruitment of elves who are slow-to-trust, intelligent and cautious--as those are exactly the elves that would be useful for maintain the integrity of his organization as a general whole. Especially if he's expanding. Which isn't to say Solas has no use for low-skill grunts (both now and in the future), but his current brand of army almost definitely means that he will have a demand for specialized skill. Or at least until he enters his proverbial Stage 2 of his Plan TM and just needs your standard 'throw-bodies-at-the-problem' old school rebellion that usually rely on sheer numbers.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 13, 2019 3:33:41 GMT
Let's say there's now a non-zero chance his talents in freeing slaves may be being put to good use by a certain bald boi. Oh! Hm... Well I was going to argue against the possibility, but it's difficult to know how Solas recruits, what he tells his agents, and what they in turn tell others. Fenris has some things going for him in this regard, however: he's intelligent, he's cautious, and he's slow to trust, all of which make him a less-than-ideal candidate for recruitment by Solas or his agents; they'll want someone who will follow blindly, and that does not describe Fenris (at this point in his life). If you just mean that, even without recruitment, Solas is taking advantage of the chaos and mage paranoia created by the Blue Wraith's activities, then that's to be expected. I would hope that any villain worth his salt would do the same; in the end, it's less work for him and means he's freer to machinate from the shadows. David Gaider once touched on this, and seemed to think Fenris could join Solas. Of course, this was after he left, so bear that in mind. But it's worth noting... CutieInk @maddie_B_Artist
@gideonemery @davidgaider So many people want to see Fenris in DA4 (including myself). How does that make you feel knowing how beloved the character is? :3 #TheDreadWolfRises #Fenris #DragonAge4 David Gaider @davidgaider
I think it's super! And considering how susceptible a certain broody elf might be to egg-related propaganda, it's an idea completely within the realm of plausibility. 😉
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2019 3:57:27 GMT
Oh! Hm... Well I was going to argue against the possibility, but it's difficult to know how Solas recruits, what he tells his agents, and what they in turn tell others. Fenris has some things going for him in this regard, however: he's intelligent, he's cautious, and he's slow to trust, all of which make him a less-than-ideal candidate for recruitment by Solas or his agents; they'll want someone who will follow blindly, and that does not describe Fenris (at this point in his life). If you just mean that, even without recruitment, Solas is taking advantage of the chaos and mage paranoia created by the Blue Wraith's activities, then that's to be expected. I would hope that any villain worth his salt would do the same; in the end, it's less work for him and means he's freer to machinate from the shadows. David Gaider once touched on this, and seemed to think Fenris could join Solas. Of course, this was after he left, so bear that in mind. But it's worth noting... CutieInk @maddie_B_Artist
@gideonemery @davidgaider So many people want to see Fenris in DA4 (including myself). How does that make you feel knowing how beloved the character is? :3 #TheDreadWolfRises #Fenris #DragonAge4 David Gaider @davidgaider
I think it's super! And considering how susceptible a certain broody elf might be to egg-related propaganda, it's an idea completely within the realm of plausibility. 😉 And some people thought Merrill would be the one to follow Solas.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2019 4:00:15 GMT
Also I recognize the elf with Fenris. He was the one we saw like a year ago when I think some concept art of the next comic or something was teased.
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