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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 6, 2019 8:09:53 GMT
*sigh*...knew I should've added "according to the Bioware default/canon" The default/canon in game is not quite the same thing as being the actual canon for the universe. The point I was making is that the story in the comic series did not have any impact on the world going forward. Even if Alistair did meet his father, all it really did was make him finally accept his role as his heir. Certain things, like Sten being the latest Arishok, had already occurred before the start of the story and were not dependent on it. Hopefully, as the magrellan was destroyed in the story, it is something that will be quietly forgotten about. To be honest I rather hope the whole business of Calenhad having some passed on some mutated gene to his descendants is also put in the category of rumour. In the comic Varric does suggest that maybe Koslun got it wrong. I'd still like to know how the Qunari discovered this story about Calenhad when they didn't arrive in Thedas until nearly another century had passed. Which is why it is better that the comic is thought of as a possible time-line in the universe but not the canon one. Nevertheless, I will concede that subsequent novels have had a bearing on the universe going forward and so events in them are part of the canon. The Magekiller comics did not really have much impact as for the most part the characters in them were merely treading old ground that the Inquisitor had already covered. If Marius were to be in a future game along with Calpernia, then their previous relationship might be of significance but that is about it. The Knight Errant and Deception comics, involving as they do red lyrium and characters/areas in Tevinter, may be included by the writers as part of the canon universe in much the same way the novels Asunder and Masked Empire were because the principle characters involved do not have a previous history with our PCs so their story is not impacted by choices we have made in the past. Of course this is not true with the Blue Wraith as the involvement of Fenris in the story is something that is dependent on the events of DA2. So for me it falls into the category of alternative timeline universe rather than canon one.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 6, 2019 11:12:48 GMT
The default/canon in game is not quite the same thing as being the actual canon for the universe. The point I was making is that the story in the comic series did not have any impact on the world going forward. Even if Alistair did meet his father, all it really did was make him finally accept his role as his heir. Certain things, like Sten being the latest Arishok, had already occurred before the start of the story and were not dependent on it.
Hopefully, as the magrellan was destroyed in the story, it is something that will be quietly forgotten about. To be honest I rather hope the whole business of Calenhad having some passed on some mutated gene to his descendants is also put in the category of rumour. In the comic Varric does suggest that maybe Koslun got it wrong. I'd still like to know how the Qunari discovered this story about Calenhad when they didn't arrive in Thedas until nearly another century had passed. Which is why it is better that the comic is thought of as a possible time-line in the universe but not the canon one.
Nevertheless, I will concede that subsequent novels have had a bearing on the universe going forward and so events in them are part of the canon. The Magekiller comics did not really have much impact as for the most part the characters in them were merely treading old ground that the Inquisitor had already covered. If Marius were to be in a future game along with Calpernia, then their previous relationship might be of significance but that is about it.
The Knight Errant and Deception comics, involving as they do red lyrium and characters/areas in Tevinter, may be included by the writers as part of the canon universe in much the same way the novels Asunder and Masked Empire were because the principle characters involved do not have a previous history with our PCs so their story is not impacted by choices we have made in the past.
Of course this is not true with the Blue Wraith as the involvement of Fenris in the story is something that is dependent on the events of DA2. So for me it falls into the category of alternative timeline universe rather than canon one. yeah, I tend to see the DA Keep as the Bioware default/canon , and generally form my own opinions around it
for example, according to the default Loghain died in Origins, but in my personal canon he doesn't die until the events of Inquisition
but I suppose you're right on saying the novels and comics are considered alternate universes, especially given the fact that many characters can be either dead or never having been recruited by the respective protagonists
as for the Calenhad thing...I just hope they don't file everything away as being magical or whatever, let some things remains a mystery to be honest, finding out the Evanuris (elven gods) were just highly powerful mages felt like a bit of a bummer to me, I'd rather they just kept them as mysterious enigmatic entities that were just gone
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 6, 2019 15:04:53 GMT
as for the Calenhad thing...I just hope they don't file everything away as being magical or whatever, let some things remains a mystery to be honest, finding out the Evanuris (elven gods) were just highly powerful mages felt like a bit of a bummer to me, I'd rather they just kept them as mysterious enigmatic entities that were just gone I felt like that about the Evanuris. The elven legends were better when they were just that, something in the past that could not be proven one way or the other. The revelations in Trespasser also raised a load of questions in my mind about why the only story that got handed down was the pro-Evanuris one. What in the hell happened to the supporters of Fen'Harel? Surely there should have been two versions of elven history handed down to future generations, according to which side you were on? Instead we have only a positive history of the elven gods until we are given a different version by the person who was their enemy. Why does it seem like the only elven settlements that survived the civil war were the enclave in Arlathan Forest and the Temple of Mythal in the south, both of which revered the elven gods, even though Solas says they were the ones who murdered Mythal? Too many loose ends in that history to my mind. As for Calenhad, it was always likely that his legend had grown in the telling and there were hints in his story that he had a darker side to his ambition, like the way he betrayed his old friend and ally Aldenon, but to suggest that instead of being just a charismatic leader, he owed his rise in power to some strange ritual with great dragon blood that was transmitted to future generations, just didn't feel right to me. Even less convincing was the idea that no one in Thedas was aware of the truth but somehow the Qunari were. Why would they even care? So I feel Calenhad is best left as a figure from the past with no bloodline legacy apart from the usual one.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 6, 2019 15:26:12 GMT
as for the Calenhad thing...I just hope they don't file everything away as being magical or whatever, let some things remains a mystery to be honest, finding out the Evanuris (elven gods) were just highly powerful mages felt like a bit of a bummer to me, I'd rather they just kept them as mysterious enigmatic entities that were just gone I felt like that about the Evanuris. The elven legends were better when they were just that, something in the past that could not be proven one way or the other. The revelations in Trespasser also raised a load of questions in my mind about why the only story that got handed down was the pro-Evanuris one. What in the hell happened to the supporters of Fen'Harel? Surely there should have been two versions of elven history handed down to future generations, according to which side you were on? Instead we have only a positive history of the elven gods until we are given a different version by the person who was their enemy. Why does it seem like the only elven settlements that survived the civil war were the enclave in Arlathan Forest and the Temple of Mythal in the south, both of which revered the elven gods, even though Solas says they were the ones who murdered Mythal? Too many loose ends in that history to my mind. As for Calenhad, it was always likely that his legend had grown in the telling and there were hints in his story that he had a darker side to his ambition, like the way he betrayed his old friend and ally Aldenon, but to suggest that instead of being just a charismatic leader, he owed his rise in power to some strange ritual with great dragon blood that was transmitted to future generations, just didn't feel right to me. Even less convincing was the idea that no one in Thedas was aware of the truth but somehow the Qunari were. Why would they even care? So I feel Calenhad is best left as a figure from the past with no bloodline legacy apart from the usual one. I agree
plus there's a few of the Evanuris who hardly got any mentions from Solas, June and Sylaise...he mentions the others but never those two...what happened to them? Where they part of the whole "kill Mythal" party, were they on the side of Solas, were they neutral? And if they were neutral, why'd he lump them with the others and cast them as "evil" and lock them away?
I always thought that Calenhad was based on King Arthur's legend I saw one of the Arthur movies once (the one from 2004 with Clive Owen as the titular Arthur) which is said to be based on the actual telling of the time in which Arthur's legend is based (which according to historians was around the time of Rome's occupation of England) however, most people know King Arthur mostly due to the magic sword Excalibur given to him by the Lady of the Lake and Merlin being the wizard who taught and raised him
Calenhad has many similarities with Arthur, he has a magical advisor/friend (Aldenon) a "magic" sword (Nemetos), and a legend that has changed and mutated over time (with for example the Qunari telling of Calenhad being a reaver of sorts)
but as I said, I'd rather like it if they allowed some of the things in the world of Thedas to remain a mystery... (even in the real world there are still things we can't explain, that's what makes it exciting)
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 6, 2019 15:46:27 GMT
I'm still hoping we get the Evanuris side of the story. I'm not happy getting my history from a mass murderer and his cult
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Post by Heimdall on Oct 6, 2019 16:37:56 GMT
I’m under the impression Fen’Harel’s supporters were a small minority so it doesn’t surprise me that the pro-evanuris story is what got passed down, especially the story of how he is responsible for losing their leaders and their empire, which is actually true. With the exception of Mythal’s followers, the vast majority of the elves would have blamed him for losing their leaders and everything else. Even some of his followers must have been displeased with the destruction of their civilization and the loss of their immortality.
There is probably more to the story though
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 6, 2019 16:59:15 GMT
all it really did was make him finally accept his role as his heir I don't consider the last panel of the comic as Alistair "accept[ing]" his role as heir. He looks pissed and obligated. During the comic's adventure, he seemed to have this fantasy that they would find Maric and he would return to Ferelden to rule, relieving Alistair of the burden. That didn't happen. Perhaps that's down to the artist and he was just supposed to look serious and authoritative, but that was the feeling I came away with after reading the comic. Unless there is some dialogue confirming your take, I'd say that's up to reader interpretation of that final scene as the artist drew it.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 6, 2019 19:31:15 GMT
as for the Calenhad thing...I just hope they don't file everything away as being magical or whatever, let some things remains a mystery to be honest, finding out the Evanuris (elven gods) were just highly powerful mages felt like a bit of a bummer to me, I'd rather they just kept them as mysterious enigmatic entities that were just gone I felt like that about the Evanuris. The elven legends were better when they were just that, something in the past that could not be proven one way or the other. The revelations in Trespasser also raised a load of questions in my mind about why the only story that got handed down was the pro-Evanuris one. What in the hell happened to the supporters of Fen'Harel? Surely there should have been two versions of elven history handed down to future generations, according to which side you were on? Instead we have only a positive history of the elven gods until we are given a different version by the person who was their enemy. Why does it seem like the only elven settlements that survived the civil war were the enclave in Arlathan Forest and the Temple of Mythal in the south, both of which revered the elven gods, even though Solas says they were the ones who murdered Mythal? Too many loose ends in that history to my mind. As for Calenhad, it was always likely that his legend had grown in the telling and there were hints in his story that he had a darker side to his ambition, like the way he betrayed his old friend and ally Aldenon, but to suggest that instead of being just a charismatic leader, he owed his rise in power to some strange ritual with great dragon blood that was transmitted to future generations, just didn't feel right to me. Even less convincing was the idea that no one in Thedas was aware of the truth but somehow the Qunari were. Why would they even care? So I feel Calenhad is best left as a figure from the past with no bloodline legacy apart from the usual one. Per the bolded, I just want to say that I think there *were* pro-fen'harel/anti-evanuris stories passed down from Arlathan times. We know that the recollections of Fen'Harel's rebellion seem to have been around during and after Andraste's time, since they seem to have been mixed with Shartan's legend. Now most, if not all, of the currently accepted stories about the creators stem from a single source: Keeper Gisharel of the Ralaferin clan. ( Codex Entries Attributed to Gisharel. Scroll all the way down, fyi.) Being "of _____ clan" implies that its post-fall of the Dales. To me it seems like there were surviving tales that would be anti-evanuris, but with the fall of the Dales, there was a combination of the knowledge being lost in the death and chaos, and maybe a push towards the revitalization of creator-worship as a reaction to the loss of the latest iteration of Elvhen civilization. Kind of a "We lost this b/c we weren't faithful." response. The anti-evanuris stuff was lost/suppressed, and the pro-evanuris stuff rose and took prominence.
The above may have also happened with the *establishment* of the Dales, not their fall. I'm iffy on that point. Depends on the timeline of Gisharel's life (assuming Gisharel was an actual person), as well as the actual age of the various ruins we see in the Exalted Plains. Cus it'd be odd for a people who had anti-evanuris tales to build bathhouses and coliseums dedicated to them. However, if the buildings were actually Arlathan-era sites that were already there when the elves (re)settled the Dales (which I think is implied by the presence of things like fade runes that lead to Dirthamen's actual arlathan-era temple being in one of them), and the elves just repurposed them without defacing them or something, then it could still work.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 7, 2019 8:11:42 GMT
The above may have also happened with the *establishment* of the Dales, not their fall. I'm iffy on that point. Depends on the timeline of Gisharel's life (assuming Gisharel was an actual person), as well as the actual age of the various ruins we see in the Exalted Plains. Cus it'd be odd for a people who had anti-evanuris tales to build bathhouses and coliseums dedicated to them. However, if the buildings were actually Arlathan-era sites that were already there when the elves (re)settled the Dales (which I think is implied by the presence of things like fade runes that lead to Dirthamen's actual arlathan-era temple being in one of them), and the elves just repurposed them without defacing them or something, then it could still work. I got the impression from the biography for Neria in WoT2 that Gisharel was a clan leader in more recent times, as he was said to be the predecessor of the current Keeper of clan Ralaferin. The reason he is the only Keeper quoted in the texts is because it was his idea to share elven culture with the human scholars in the hope that greater understanding would lead to greater respect for the Dalish. This idea was not universally supported by the other Dalish, some of the more conservative clans (presumably like the one in Masked Empire) actually thinking less of his entire clan as a result. I was somewhat puzzled by the ruins we encountered in the Dales. Clearly the majority were not built by modern elves but must have dated to an earlier time. I even find it hard to believe that the shrine to the Emerald Knights could be anything other than a use of an already existing construct. The reason being that is was less than 300 years from the foundation of the Dales to its destruction and given the new arrivals had to build their civilisation from scratch (or so we are led to believe), they would have had other things to occupy their time than build numerous large structures outside of the capital city of Halamshiral. To have achieved that amount of building in such a short time would have required a large amount of probably forced manual labour, which is unlikely to have gone down well with former slaves, particularly those who had just escaped such drudgery. This is why the burial place of the forest in the Emerald Graves and the enclosed area in the Exalted Plains made more sense as they both fitted the burial rites recorded in the codices and would have been a practical way of dealing with their dead. Which begs the question, who did they ascribe the ruins to? If they realised they were relics of Elvhenan then one wonders what they made of the huge wolf statue overlooking the Exalted Plains. Presumably once the Emerald Knights with their wolf guardians were established then it was simply regarded as symbolic of them but I do wonder where the idea of wolf guardians came from. So it is possible that murals showing symbolic representations of Fen'Harel's followers protecting elves from their enemies were misinterpreted as showing real wolves. Anyway, I seem to have steered the conversation away from the Blue Wraith but would be happy to continue the debate on the Evanuris Thread.
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Post by lynroy on Oct 18, 2019 13:57:13 GMT
I feel like I'm the only person not excited by his inclusion. I'm not excited either, though it might be for a different reason. I straight up hate Fenris and didn't want to see him again. Nevertheless, I'll give the comic a chance.
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Post by ames4u on Oct 19, 2019 6:25:57 GMT
That seals it. Fenris definitely will be in DA4. I wouldn't go that far... Possibly in a cameo, but since Fenris is "quantum" (and can die in DA2), this reduces his chances of making an appearance.
Didn't stop them dragging a certain red headed bard back from the dead with a handwave and, "ehh, no one will question it."
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 19, 2019 8:11:28 GMT
Didn't stop them dragging a certain red headed bard back from the dead with a handwave and, " ehh, no one will question it."
They also said subsequently that they wouldn't do that again and if a person could potentially die in game then they wouldn't make them a major player in future games. Thus Fenris could be mentioned in a speech or codex as still being involved and (if they use it again) could be part of a War Table mission if he was alive in that person's playthrough but he will not be present in a significant way in the active plot.
The comics are effectively following one possible world state out of many that could exist. This was true of the first series which was about Alistair's search for his father, even though Alistair could be potentially dead at the end of DAO. In the Magekiller series the author had the protagonists working with Bull's Chargers as part of the Inquisition, even though there was the option in DAI of never recruiting them (and they could also be dead depending on where in the time-line this joint venture was occurring). So Fenris is alive in this particular world state but that will only be significant if the player has carried through the same world state into DA4 and even then it would likely be handled as I have outlined above.
Fenris never died in any of my world states but in several of them he is the devoted lover of my Hawke. I was rather annoyed at how this was dealt with in the Hawke conversation as to why he still wasn't with them and even more when Hawke returns unscathed to Kirkwall in the epilogue to Trespasser but no suggestion of them being reunited with their lover (whoever they might be). Still I was able to headcanon my own resolution. So the world state in the comic series is likely to run contrary to how I envisaged their relationship progressing, although I do not rule out Fenris returning to Tevinter to settle old scores at some point and, since Hawke could leave him behind for his own safety, he could argue the same in this scenario. Thus the comic series will not totally run contrary to how I see Fenris post DAI and this is why I am actually interested to see where this story takes him.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 19, 2019 15:44:34 GMT
Hawke returns... to Kirkwall in the epilogue to Trespasser pft I just ignored that bit of railroading. Asida from Hawke's living situation, I get annoyed at how Varric is foisted on Hawke and assumed to be their best friend. I like Varric just fine, and I appreciate his affection for Hawke, but he's not my Hawke's best friend, my Hawke has no interest in returning to a city that caused him a great amount of grief and hardship, and furthermore wants nothing to do with running that city. He's made a home elsewhere in a place he wasn't forced to go.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 19, 2019 18:44:20 GMT
Hawke returns... to Kirkwall in the epilogue to Trespasser pft I just ignored that bit of railroading. Asida from Hawke's living situation, I get annoyed at how Varric is foisted on Hawke and assumed to be their best friend. I like Varric just fine, and I appreciate his affection for Hawke, but he's not my Hawke's best friend, my Hawke has no interest in returning to a city that caused him a great amount of grief and hardship, and furthermore wants nothing to do with running that city. He's made a home elsewhere in a place he wasn't forced to go. I head canon my own Hawkes don't return to life in Kirkwall either, sure they may visit from time to time to see their friends, but I don't think either of them would like living in Kirkwall my main Hawke Nimue goes to life somewhere in the country side with Fenris, and my other Hawke Balthazar is going to sail the seas with Isabela
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Oct 19, 2019 21:37:35 GMT
I think it’s likely, as they’ve done it for previous minis. I’m also very hopeful about a library edition with Deception and Blue Wraith, though we’d need another mini to fill that out (another thing we’re very hopeful about).
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 19, 2019 21:53:19 GMT
pft I just ignored that bit of railroading. Asida from Hawke's living situation, I get annoyed at how Varric is foisted on Hawke and assumed to be their best friend. I like Varric just fine, and I appreciate his affection for Hawke, but he's not my Hawke's best friend, my Hawke has no interest in returning to a city that caused him a great amount of grief and hardship, and furthermore wants nothing to do with running that city. He's made a home elsewhere in a place he wasn't forced to go. I head canon my own Hawkes don't return to life in Kirkwall either, sure they may visit from time to time to see their friends, but I don't think either of them would like living in Kirkwall my main Hawke Nimue goes to life somewhere in the country side with Fenris, and my other Hawke Balthazar is going to sail the seas with Isabela
It annoyed me intensely that they railroaded hawke that way on top of the initial railroading. my hawke’s want to be sailing with Izzy not in Kirkwall.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 21, 2019 11:59:00 GMT
though we’d need another mini to fill that out Interesting. Interesting. Hmmm. So we might be getting more than Blue Wraith alone, then. Interesting. Thanks nunziodefilippis. I'm guessing at least part of that will do with Blue Wraith's success. Any chance for an ongoing Dragon Age series of comics? Something that you've ever talked about with Bioware/Dark Horse? As you can see here, the wait between games can be a bit brutal, sometimes
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 21, 2019 14:36:44 GMT
though we’d need another mini to fill that out Interesting. Interesting. Hmmm. So we might be getting more than Blue Wraith alone, then. Interesting. Thanks nunziodefilippis. I'm guessing at least part of that will do with Blue Wraith's success. Any chance for an ongoing Dragon Age series of comics? Something that you've ever talked about with Bioware/Dark Horse? As you can see here, the wait between games can be a bit brutal, sometimes There already is an ongoing series of comics. Blue Wraith is the fourth in a series, three of which were written by Nunzio and Christina. In order they are Magekiller, Knight Errant, Deception, and now Blue Wraith.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 21, 2019 14:50:51 GMT
There already is an ongoing series of comics. Blue Wraith is the fourth in a series, three of which were written by Nunzio and Christina. In order they are Magekiller, Knight Errant, Deception, and now Blue Wraith. You know how we have Batman or Superman etc. Like a very long lasting on going series. These series, Magekiller etc. are mini series set in the Dragon Age setting.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 21, 2019 14:54:57 GMT
There already is an ongoing series of comics. Blue Wraith is the fourth in a series, three of which were written by Nunzio and Christina. In order they are Magekiller, Knight Errant, Deception, and now Blue Wraith. You know how we have Batman or Superman etc. Like a very long lasting on going series. These series, Magekiller etc. are mini series set in the Dragon Age setting. They are miniseries that make up a larger series. Like arcs.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 21, 2019 15:41:58 GMT
You know how we have Batman or Superman etc. Like a very long lasting on going series. These series, Magekiller etc. are mini series set in the Dragon Age setting. They are miniseries that make up a larger series. Like arcs. To be honest I actually like how they have been smaller installments. Keeps them nice and concise. Run on too long like the ones you mentioned and problems start to occur like repetitiveness, filler, etc. If we're going to be honest, there's no story left that hasn't been told before. If repetitiveness is an issue, we would have stopped making stories of any kind around 50 years ago. Repetitiveness isn't an issue. Even filler can be good. You can make fun little stories about smaller stuff in a character's life. Like that one time Cyclops went to get his groceries and stumbled on a convenience store robbery and we expanded on his secondary mutation. Having a single, ongoing comic line, with a central character that can become iconic and loved for the setting will be a plus. Especially if that character can make a cameo in an upcoming game, as well. And it's good, honest work for everyone involved.
But have at it. No ongoing series.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 21, 2019 15:53:57 GMT
Having a single, ongoing comic line, with a central character that can become iconic and loved for the setting will be a plus. Especially if that character can make a cameo in an upcoming game, as well. And it's good, honest work for everyone involved. But have at it. No ongoing series. Again, that’s what these comics are doing though. All of them are following the same group of people. It’s like how Shepard’s story was split across three games, each having their own little story but all contributing to a single big story.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 21, 2019 15:59:31 GMT
Having a single, ongoing comic line, with a central character that can become iconic and loved for the setting will be a plus. Especially if that character can make a cameo in an upcoming game, as well. And it's good, honest work for everyone involved. But have at it. No ongoing series. Again, that’s what these comics are doing though. All of them are following the same group of people. It’s like how Shepard’s story was split across three games, each having their own little story but all contributing to a single big story. You're arguing like it's a form of hero ensemble comic series that goes over certain arcs. Like Avengers or Justice League or X-Men, then. While I do see the point of that, it's not exactly what I was going for, but sure.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 21, 2019 16:50:05 GMT
Didn't stop them dragging a certain red headed bard back from the dead with a handwave and, " ehh, no one will question it."
They also said subsequently that they wouldn't do that again and if a person could potentially die in game then they wouldn't make them a major player in future games. Thus Fenris could be mentioned in a speech or codex as still being involved and (if they use it again) could be part of a War Table mission if he was alive in that person's playthrough but he will not be present in a significant way in the active plot.
The comics are effectively following one possible world state out of many that could exist. This was true of the first series which was about Alistair's search for his father, even though Alistair could be potentially dead at the end of DAO. In the Magekiller series the author had the protagonists working with Bull's Chargers as part of the Inquisition, even though there was the option in DAI of never recruiting them (and they could also be dead depending on where in the time-line this joint venture was occurring). So Fenris is alive in this particular world state but that will only be significant if the player has carried through the same world state into DA4 and even then it would likely be handled as I have outlined above.
Fenris never died in any of my world states but in several of them he is the devoted lover of my Hawke. I was rather annoyed at how this was dealt with in the Hawke conversation as to why he still wasn't with them and even more when Hawke returns unscathed to Kirkwall in the epilogue to Trespasser but no suggestion of them being reunited with their lover (whoever they might be). Still I was able to headcanon my own resolution. So the world state in the comic series is likely to run contrary to how I envisaged their relationship progressing, although I do not rule out Fenris returning to Tevinter to settle old scores at some point and, since Hawke could leave him behind for his own safety, he could argue the same in this scenario. Thus the comic series will not totally run contrary to how I see Fenris post DAI and this is why I am actually interested to see where this story takes him. Nah. Fenris still could show up in a scenario where you get different characters depending on the world state. You know, like Loghain/Alistair/Stroud in HLTA.
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