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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 2, 2020 20:13:45 GMT
I saw nothing in Anders that suggested mental illness nor any manic or depressive behaviors That's what I was getting at. Is it really so bad that Ander's author took inspiration from bipolar disorder even if her inspiration was flawed? I just don't see why it is relevant to bring it up and start to connect Anders with that mental disorder if it had nothing really to do with his presentation in game. Some people are much too sensitive and concerned with being politically correct, to the detriment of stifling open discussion about controversial issues. I'm am not trying to be politically correct but a fantasy RPG is not necessarily the best way to explore some controversial issues because they can be complex and need more time and space than the short dialogue options are able to give.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 2, 2020 20:25:00 GMT
Than please help and tell me which type you think he is. It wasn't easy and the List is incomplete. So please help that the next cam aprove. I'd say Anders falls under "rebel" as well.
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Post by githcheater on Aug 2, 2020 20:25:49 GMT
Although Aveline and Sigrun are not "fan service", women like them would be nice to romance. Velanna might have been fun to romance despite her hateful emotional anti-human baggage. And what Typ are they? I would pigeonhole Aveline and Sigrun as strong women, and Valenna as traumatized.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 2, 2020 20:35:47 GMT
Than please help and tell me which type you think he is. It wasn't easy and the List is incomplete. So please help that the next cam aprove. I'd say Anders falls under "rebel" as well. Why rebel? He killed innocent people. Terrorist would fit better. rebel is less violent for me. *sigh* a question of word interpretation. I haved believe this would be so hard.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 2, 2020 20:37:40 GMT
Why does Merrill have an ellipsis?
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 2, 2020 20:45:15 GMT
Why does Merrill have an ellipsis? Do you mean the dots? I don't know which typ she is, but i don't want to drop her. If you have a typ for her, please tell me.
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Post by githcheater on Aug 2, 2020 21:00:29 GMT
I saw nothing in Anders that suggested mental illness nor any manic or depressive behaviors That's what I was getting at. Is it really so bad that Ander's author took inspiration from bipolar disorder even if her inspiration was flawed? I just don't see why it is relevant to bring it up and start to connect Anders with that mental disorder if it had nothing really to do with his presentation in game. Some people are much too sensitive and concerned with being politically correct, to the detriment of stifling open discussion about controversial issues. I'm am not trying to be politically correct but a fantasy RPG is not necessarily the best way to explore some controversial issues because they can be complex and need more time and space than the short dialogue options are able to give. I was not referring to you as politically correct. I was referring to another comment that stated that many controversial subjects should be abstained from in the entertainment media.
I believe the Anders author was only giving "The fandom" an interesting story of how Anders was dreamed up as a character, and did not really believe or portray Anders as bipolar.
I do understand that using a "controversial" label for a person can be risky and could possibly help perpetuate stereotypes. However I do not believe that discussion or portrayal of certain subjects should be avoided. Although the bipolar label might be unfortunate, I believe that a positive discussion or education about mental illness can result.
As you know (but many don't) mental illness is not a death sentence. I have worked for the same company for 30 years, and do not hide that I am manic depressive. I had a two week manic episode at work two years ago where I was extremely productive. People at work were able to redirect me if my ideas became too infeasible, and were able to tolerate me. My wife, however, hated my manic state as I had less of verbal filter at home than I did at work. Somehow she has put up with me for nearly 30 years despite my history of depression.
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Post by githcheater on Aug 2, 2020 21:10:40 GMT
I'd say Anders falls under "rebel" as well. Why rebel? He killed innocent people. Terrorist would fit better. rebel is less violent for me. *sigh* a question of word interpretation. I haved believe this would be so hard.
Anders rebelled against the tyrany of the templars.
Rebel is a more general label of which terrorist could be considered a subset.
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Post by NotN7 on Aug 2, 2020 21:31:28 GMT
That's what I was getting at. I just don't see why it is relevant to bring it up and start to connect Anders with that mental disorder if it had nothing really to do with his presentation in game. I'm am not trying to be politically correct but a fantasy RPG is not necessarily the best way to explore some controversial issues because they can be complex and need more time and space than the short dialogue options are able to give. I was not referring to you as politically correct. I was referring to another comment that stated that many controversial subjects should be abstained from in the entertainment media.
I believe the Anders author was only giving "The fandom" an intersting story of how Anders was dreamed up as a character, and did not really believe or portray Anders as bipolar.
I do understand that using a "controversial" label for a person can be risky and could possibly help perpetuate stereotypes. However I do not believe that discussion or portrayal of certain subjects should be avoided. Although the bipolar label might be unfortunate, I believe that a positive discussion or education about mental illness can result.
As you know (but many don't) mental illness is not a death sentence. I have worked for the same company for 30 years, and do not hide that I am manic depressive. I had a two week manic episode at work two years ago where I was extremely productive. People at work were able to redirect me if my ideas became too infeasible, and were able to tolerate me. My wife, however, hated my manic state as I had less of verbal filter at home than I did at work. Somehow she has put up with me for nearly 30 years despite my history of depression.
Hummmmm? to be honest what is politicly correct in our day in age (present) and what is in a game are two sides of a coin, politics in our world should have no influence in a game world especially when we are talking a whole new world and political agenda which I would love to leave at such.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 2, 2020 21:50:25 GMT
I wish I hadn't made my original comment, now, as this was a benign thread that can spiral out of control. I am sorry, OP.
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To hopefully get back on topic, I prefer roguish characters, but also healing-type romances, which is why Dorian is my favorite LI of the series. I also headcanon my Orlesian Warden with Nathaniel Howe, who has a wry sense of humor (as does Fenris, my other LI).
I can't vote in the poll as I don't agree with most of the characterizations, even for the LI that I like. Most of them are too narrow or shallow. I would say that Blackwall is defined more by his search for redemption than by his status as a "criminal." Avaline and Cassandra are both "strong women" in a literal sense, but their primary characteristic is that they have a rigid sense of right and wrong. To pin Iron Bull down as simply a "mercenary" ignores 90% of the character: he has a roguish personality, is paternal with those under his command, and is deeply conflicted.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 2, 2020 22:04:40 GMT
Perhaps the best thing would be not to have had Hawke present at all. I'd be fine with that. I wasn't able to remake him to my satisfaction; I disliked the forced guilt that made no practical sense (all indications were that Corypheus was dead in Legacy, how is ANY of this Hawke's fault?); it was naked fanservice; The Choice in the Fade was naked player manipulation. And don't forget the mandatory rants about "OMG evul blodd magicks" every 3.27 meters. Makes Hawke come across as pretty hypocritical or what I would call verbally abusive, depending on choice of specialisation or romance (i.e. Merrill). Also, I found the "Corypheus is my responsibility, so I'm gonna die to Spider Demon now" thing pretty off. ... As for romance monikers... Sigrun I'd call "giddy curious child-like goth" As for Merrill (or ME1 Liara), perhaps "bumbly scholar"?
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Post by dazk on Aug 3, 2020 0:54:22 GMT
Although Aveline and Sigrun are not "fan service", women like them would be nice to romance. Velanna might have been fun to romance despite her hateful emotional anti-human baggage. Sigrun is one of my favourite characters in all of DA.
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Post by Zemgus on Aug 3, 2020 3:11:41 GMT
I loved the Reyes romance in MEA... (although it was very short) and Solas romance in DAI (as well as Hunter and Arcann in SWTOR) so I guess the antagonistic/rebel/tragic endings type is for me.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 3, 2020 4:23:54 GMT
That's what I was getting at. I just don't see why it is relevant to bring it up and start to connect Anders with that mental disorder if it had nothing really to do with his presentation in game. I'm am not trying to be politically correct but a fantasy RPG is not necessarily the best way to explore some controversial issues because they can be complex and need more time and space than the short dialogue options are able to give. I was not referring to you as politically correct. I was referring to another comment that stated that many controversial subjects should be abstained from in the entertainment media. If you mean me, I did not say all media should abstain from them, I said BioWare should, because they are shithouse at it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 3, 2020 8:00:49 GMT
And when you click "somthing i forgot" it would be nice if you could say what i forgot.
Sorry for my previous negativity. May be you could substitute "Revolutionist" for the character type assigned to Anders.
As for a forgotten category. What about the "Wise Mentor" type role? Something along the lines of Obi Wan when Luke first meets him. Everybody locally just thinks of him as a hermit in the hills type, unassuming and prepared to offer advice when asked but generally not offensive, Then it turns out he is so much more without ever losing that wise benevolent teacher persona.
Solas started off seeming like that but he did become very preachy at times and took offense when people didn't want to listen to his wisdom. Also he approached the organisation with an agenda of his own and was always being evasive to cover the truth about himself. Now he is the next antagonist so was never truly the wise mentor type. However, the writers already have two backgrounds that could fill this role:
Rivaini Wise Woman: Someone who is already accustomed to being a wise mentor to her community. Also the opportunity to have a companion who has a wholly benign relationship with her indwelling wisdom spirit. The PC is directed to her by someone else in order to receive advice about something and then she agrees to join up to continue in that role. It turns out she is a kick-ass fighter as well with her magic.
Fog Dancer: The Lore Keepers and spiritual guides to the Fog Warrior freedom fighters on Seheron. Thus a Fog Dancer could expand on their knowledge of history/legends in their part of the world, which from WoT would seem very ancient and thus might give valuable insights into how to deal with the problem of Solas among other things, and are also likely able to utilise helpful new magical expertise to assist the party.
To be honest I wouldn't mind having both of these in our next party but that is probably too much to hope for. I'd settle for a Rivaini Wise Woman and a Fog Warrior, who might still know a bit of lore about his own people. To romance any of these would be great.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 3, 2020 8:27:42 GMT
Punks.I know. Doesn't fit the setting. I'll take goths.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 3, 2020 12:38:56 GMT
Do you mean the dots? I don't know which typ she is, but i don't want to drop her. If you have a typ for her, please tell me. Obsessive? By this I don't mean an actual mental condition but just about one particular issue. Merrill seems fairly open minded and easy going about most things but is completely the opposite when it comes to the eluvian. Naïve? Even her attitude to the demon and blood magic is a bit naïve. Certainly when wandering around Kirkwall. She says something about not encountering any trouble and Varric comments about it costing him a fortune for it to stay that way. Isabella is also very protective towards her, so clearly recognises this. I remember she threatened my Hawke with physical harm to a sensitive area if he hurt Merrill romantically. However, I wouldn't class her as innocent. Mind you I wouldn't apply that to either Leliana or Josephine either. Both of them lost their innocence when they became bards. Devoted? Actually that might fit Merrill rather well. She is devoted to her project with the eluvian, devoted to her people and ultimately devoted to Hawke.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 3, 2020 16:52:49 GMT
I wish I hadn't made my original comment, now, as this was a benign thread that can spiral out of control. I am sorry, OP.
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To hopefully get back on topic, I prefer roguish characters, but also healing-type romances, which is why Dorian is my favorite LI of the series. I also headcanon my Orlesian Warden with Nathaniel Howe, who has a wry sense of humor (as does Fenris, my other LI).
I can't vote in the poll as I don't agree with most of the characterizations, even for the LI that I like. Most of them are too narrow or shallow. I would say that Blackwall is defined more by his search for redemption than by his status as a "criminal." Avaline and Cassandra are both "strong women" in a literal sense, but their primary characteristic is that they have a rigid sense of right and wrong. To pin Iron Bull down as simply a "mercenary" ignores 90% of the character: he has a roguish personality, is paternal with those under his command, and is deeply conflicted.
Hey, thanks for the comment. Why apologize? I am happy that you at least discuss about my bad poll.
I reaped my self, have you any idea how this poll can work?
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 3, 2020 17:05:48 GMT
And when you click "somthing i forgot" it would be nice if you could say what i forgot.
Sorry for my previous negativity. May be you could substitute "Revolutionist" for the character type assigned to Anders.
As for a forgotten category. What about the "Wise Mentor" type role? Something along the lines of Obi Wan when Luke first meets him. Everybody locally just thinks of him as a hermit in the hills type, unassuming and prepared to offer advice when asked but generally not offensive, Then it turns out he is so much more without ever losing that wise benevolent teacher persona.
Solas started off seeming like that but he did become very preachy at times and took offense when people didn't want to listen to his wisdom. Also he approached the organisation with an agenda of his own and was always being evasive to cover the truth about himself. Now he is the next antagonist so was never truly the wise mentor type. However, the writers already have two backgrounds that could fill this role:
Rivaini Wise Woman: Someone who is already accustomed to being a wise mentor to her community. Also the opportunity to have a companion who has a wholly benign relationship with her indwelling wisdom spirit. The PC is directed to her by someone else in order to receive advice about something and then she agrees to join up to continue in that role. It turns out she is a kick-ass fighter as well with her magic.
Fog Dancer: The Lore Keepers and spiritual guides to the Fog Warrior freedom fighters on Seheron. Thus a Fog Dancer could expand on their knowledge of history/legends in their part of the world, which from WoT would seem very ancient and thus might give valuable insights into how to deal with the problem of Solas among other things, and are also likely able to utilise helpful new magical expertise to assist the party.
To be honest I wouldn't mind having both of these in our next party but that is probably too much to hope for. I'd settle for a Rivaini Wise Woman and a Fog Warrior, who might still know a bit of lore about his own people. To romance any of these would be great.
It's okay. I tried and it went not so well, but hey "no master has fallen from the sky". I try again. I make some other poll and when it work i close this poll, but l leave the comments open. Then i start this again. Biggest mistake the comparisons to the companions.
But thanks for your help. revolutionst is perfekt. Wise mentor i allready have in my new excel list.
Would you agree solas being a manipulator?
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 3, 2020 17:26:52 GMT
Do you mean the dots? I don't know which typ she is, but i don't want to drop her. If you have a typ for her, please tell me. Obsessive? By this I don't mean an actual mental condition but just about one particular issue. Merrill seems fairly open minded and easy going about most things but is completely the opposite when it comes to the eluvian. Naïve? Even her attitude to the demon and blood magic is a bit naïve. Certainly when wandering around Kirkwall. She says something about not encountering any trouble and Varric comments about it costing him a fortune for it to stay that way. Isabella is also very protective towards her, so clearly recognises this. I remember she threatened my Hawke with physical harm to a sensitive area if he hurt Merrill romantically. However, I wouldn't class her as innocent. Mind you I wouldn't apply that to either Leliana or Josephine either. Both of them lost their innocence when they became bards. Devoted? Actually that might fit Merrill rather well. She is devoted to her project with the eluvian, devoted to her people and ultimately devoted to Hawke. yes and no. I have a completely different picture for "devoted" and "obsessive" and they aren't family safe.
She is naive in DAO but not anymore in DA2 and that is my problem. I cann't follow her development. She is so different in DA2. She is obsessed with her dream. Maybe obsessed should work.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 3, 2020 17:30:22 GMT
Would you agree solas being a manipulator? Not a bad description or how about Trickster as that is how he has generally been known? But I suppose that suggests someone who plays tricks rather than what he does. How about Sly Manipulator because he does it very subtly?
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 3, 2020 18:05:21 GMT
Would you agree solas being a manipulator? Not a bad description or how about Trickster as that is how he has generally been known? But I suppose that suggests someone who plays tricks rather than what he does. How about Sly Manipulator because he does it very subtly? We are a good team. Thanks a lot, the next one will be so much better.
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Post by wright1978 on Aug 3, 2020 18:23:19 GMT
Strong but still flawed female characters have always appealed to me. Casanova, yeah tend to prefer likes of Issy, move fast with the body, slow with the soul as chianna would say More morally flexible.
Makes me smile seeing leliana marked as innocent. My steel baby, really.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 3, 2020 18:29:09 GMT
Strong but still flawed female characters have always appealed to me. Casanova, yeah tend to prefer likes of Issy, move fast with the body, slow with the soul as chianna would say More morally flexible. Makes me smile seeing leliana marked as innocent. My steel baby, really. How would you marked her?
But hey at least I made you smile
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