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Post by Lebanese Dude on Aug 7, 2020 21:24:51 GMT
A male KISA who isn't straight for once.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 8, 2020 10:09:48 GMT
bastard (Alistair) Cassanova (Zeveran/Isabella) schizophrenic (Anders)* traumatized person (Cullen/Fenris) royal (Sebastian) rebel (Dorian) mercenary (Iron Bull) robin hood (Sera) Shining Armor unbridled guy Etc... Plot relevant (Morrigan, Alistair, Anders, Isabela, Solas) gay love, for example – if possible, with marriage. Dreams. ___ *Anders is rebel and possessed (new category), also traumatized and unbridled. And plot relevant. The most passionate LI in the whole series – to me: the best. I would like someone with the same/similar conditions – while I would like the possession would be a possibility to our protagonist. gervaise21 He didn't change a lot – while I agree one-two of your points, I think, Anders/Justice is surprisingly consistent – and as I imagine, the change very much fits the possession, two personality inside him. Nightscrawl Merging/inhabitant is interesting stuff. We see, sometimes he behaves like he was two of them, sometimes like Anders or Justice. Seems like they have common and independent thoughts as well. I imagine that like when we have a strange thought and to argue ourselves. Hard to imagine, I think it was also hard to write – and interesting. Addition: Fade scene, Old-God-Soul Kieran Inqisitor: Then you carry Mythal inside you? FleMyth: She's a part of me. No more separate than your hearth from your chest.Anders and Hawke in Act1: Hawke: So you have this spirit of Justice living in your head? Anders: It's not like that. He's gone now, he's a part of me. [...] Not even the greatest scholars could tell you, where I end and he begins.About Velanna: I think, while she also has interesting dialogue with Justice (one conversation can refer to the manifestos for example), he wouldn't work the same way, and not just because of her goal is the Dalish, she had nothing with the Circle Mages. But Anders is simply perfect to this role: if we listen him and their conversations with Justice, we can see, this was their fate. Nobody should cry for Awakening-Anders. He wanted it.
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Post by witchcocktor on Aug 8, 2020 22:21:15 GMT
Someone who feels as passionately about me (or more) as I feel about them, and isn't going to abandon me. Also would like the gay male LI to NOT be human for once.
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Post by Syv on Aug 9, 2020 1:17:17 GMT
Mhh. I loved Morrigan's romance, disliked Cassandra's. How should I vote. I generally like strong women though. ( M1 Ashley, Miranda, Isabela ) I suppose it's all about the content, the way the protagonist and his romance interact and talk to each other. I need to feel a dynamic, to feel it is not too video gamey or too theatrical, that quite feels natural and realistic. I'm less concerned about types like strong women or innocents girls, robin hood or dark criminals. However I do know I don't want another type like we had with Cassandra. Both video gamey and too theatrical, but worse than that, made with women in mind, not men while it was for straight men. The behavior of Cassandra reminds me of too much some IRL demanding women that gladly play with beta nice men totally submitted to them by the way, an absolute turn off. I just can't understand how some men could appreciate that type of behavior. I have read " she is so cute, she is just terribly romantic ". Ugh. Do not feel that way at all. Cassandra make absolutely no effort for the relationship to happen, it's only about her ideal, rules she has herself fixated in spite of love, it's only about her own feelings, she doesn't care about the rest. The inquisitor does everything alone, if you don't do it her way, she just brutally ignores you and admits it. Her own words : << My heart. It yearns for these things I cannot have. If you cannot see that, then desist. >> << I think too much of myself to settle for less >>The inquisitor must be worth of her and of her ideal. She can't settle for less. She claimed it herself. At no point did she show she was attracted or interested to you, or flirted with you before becoming an official couple. She did ignore all your attempts to flirt with her. She even rejects you a little when you take her hands with audacity... ( then just one night, reading poetry and it's suddenly all OMG I love you, I won't let Corypheus take you ! Guess the sex must have been really really really good to change her behavior overnight, or the fact that she felt finally validated ) * there is nothing remotely romantic about her, she just wants what other traditional girls have always had and she always missed in her life as a warrior. Her ideal, her wishes, her needs. A spoiled child. Any guy fullfilling her dream, could have been good, didn't feel the inquisitor was chosen by her because of who he was specifically. Like at all. That's like that same type of IRL women that talk about themself as romantic, but the first thing they state and absolutely need for their first date is that you bring them into a gigantic and super expensive restaurant that costs a lot, otherwise it's not worth it and you can desist. You know then they are just spoiled children, they are not into you, don't care about you, they care only about your social status and money, what you are able to bring onto the table. Nothing to do with being romantic. The worst being that they aren't even honest about that. The inquisitor does everything to do it Cassandra's way, absolutely desesperate to get the girl. An absolute turn off for me too... I wish there was another path. And then Cassandra decides to become divine, knowing perfectly that it will end the relationship with the inquisitor, as if he was an afterthought. Still no decision to take, or possibility for the inquisitor to break up with her af if insecure he didn't have his own mind and will, and was thirty and desesperate to remain with Cassandra as long as he could. You are stuck to the end with a woman that put her career or mission above you, which is entirely respectable, but how about you let me choose to act according to what is best for me ,according to what way I feel better for the road to take in response to my own feelings on this matter, in complete independence like a real man. It's just again about Cassandra's feelings, the only thing that matters. I don't feel any dynamic in that relationship, be supportive and that's it. Oh you can complain with one line, but you aren't given any decision to make, which is too bad. Then the end, the inquisitor is still behind her pants without any agenda, when she becomes divine. That romance is just wrong from the beginining to the end to me. So yeah, I guess, the content is what matters more to me than any type of women.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 9, 2020 8:22:45 GMT
gervaise21 He didn't change a lot – while I agree one-two of your points, I think, Anders/Justice is surprisingly consistent – and as I imagine, the change very much fits the possession, two personality inside him. I'm currently replaying DAA as the Orlesian Warden because this actually fits with Anders' short story much better than with one of my living HoF. You have to admit he is more fun in DAA, he makes me smile almost every time he speaks. That is okay, though, because you see what all the trauma in his life has done to him. In DAA he coping with his situation with humour. By the time he gets to Kirkwall, this is no longer an option. Going by his short story, even in the Wardens the Templars wouldn't let him be. Then there is the taint to cope with. That is not pleasant even if there isn't currently a Blight. Finally there is everything that happens with Karl. To be honest that seems a perfectly understandable catalyst to turn him from passive sufferer into committed freedom fighter. So my argument wasn't that he shouldn't have changed overtime but that Justice was unnecessary to account for it. Anders on his own was a caring, passionate person and if he had been free to live the life he chose (or they had just left Karl stay with him in Kinloch Hold), things would have turned out very differently. I am going to replay DA2 again after this run of DAA and actually go through with the Anders romance, rather than just being his friend (as on every other run), because clearly in the romance you get the full sense of the tragedy of Anders' story. [ Anders: It's not like that. He's gone now, he's a part of me. [...] Not even the greatest scholars could tell you, where I end and he begins. The problem is they repeatedly contradict this statement, not just when he says Justice won't let him enjoy himself (that could be just his way of saying he doesn't feel it is appropriate) but there are several occasions when Justice very much comes to the fore. At our meeting with Karl, it is because Justice emerges that Karl is temporary reprieved from his tranquillity (still don't understand why this wasn't permanent, given the explanation in Asunder); when Anders nearly harms (or does harm) Ella, it is Justice in control and Anders is horrified at what he nearly did. Plus on both occasions his eyes glow, something that never occurs with Flemeth, although strangely enough does seem to happen with Solas. Then there is the time on the rival path (I've only ever seen this on You Tube - do you need to be in the romance?) when Hawke is trying to talk Anders out of whatever action he is going to take and Justice tells them to back off. Flemeth always talks in her same voice even when she is responding in her role of Mythal, Anders swaps according to whether it is he or Justice who is in charge. So actually you can see very easily where Anders ends and Justice begins.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 9, 2020 12:17:48 GMT
gervaise21 Oh, of course, I see that, and he has some very good, and some lame jokes. I just can't not see, in many case, when the Warden speaks with him, he may start with a joke, but the end is always sad, and about the Circle-Templars-Mages. Like when the Warden gives him Ser Pounce-A-Lot. (I'm in game right now) It supposed to be a happy scene, but turns to sadness. Or at the Andraste monument... To me, he just took of his jokester-behaviour, like a dress in DA2. Like he doesn't need it anymore. He still has his humour, but doesn't use it constantly as purpose... About the comparison with FleMyth: those are true. Perhaps a process, don't forget FleMyth's age... Justice and Anders only merged months ago. And probably it's his feeling. And don't forget the Chantry explosion: he just flares for a little moment – but here: he's Anders + Justice. To me, it's clear. (By the way, I think, Justice is rather a part of his "obsession", than opposes that – based on his personal quest in Awakening, and his curiosity, but also, can be a distraction, and a desire – remember to his greatest fear: their desires can turn the spirits to demons...). So, this part is hard, and just a theory. (The rivalry scene is just weird to me in many reasons – while fits him/them painfully.)
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 9, 2020 14:01:20 GMT
...made with women in mind, not men while it was for straight men. The behavior of Cassandra reminds me of too much some IRL demanding women that gladly play with beta nice men totally submitted to them by the way, an absolute turn off. Yup. As a woman I LOVED Cassandra as a character (but haven't done her romance yet) but yes, I would argue that the entire game was made for female players. Even GAY Dorian was imo made for women more than gay men. Or at least he's wildly popular among female players, like myself. The way you describe Cassandra's romance I would agree that this is the problem with the modern female ideal. Independent and "strong" to a degree that's entirely selfish and self-absorbed. I'm not sure that these real life women (and the MEN who write such characters, no less) are aware that they're just being as awful as men who are like that, or if it's actually on purpose. Some kind of sick revenge thing for centuries of oppression and being nothing but an accessory to the male ego. I get why some women get a kick out of being mean to men but the most bizarre thing is that men write such romances too like it's a good thing. Did they get brainwashed or what is that? Now, I'm a bit bossy myself, I will admit. I'm my own person and don't need a guy to complete me. But neither do I expect men to run after me treating me like a princess. I don't need expensive tokens of affection. In fact, I hate it all. And I have a no Christmas gifts policy. I just want to have a good time together built on mutual respect. I really dislike the current notion that strong women are those who behave like asshole men. I think Cassandra is fine as a character. She *is* very prejudiced and by the book. Which is clearly A FLAW. If she were a real friend of mine her narrow-minded principles would drive me up the wall all the time. She comes around eventually, she has a kind heart and she's a good friend to the inquisitor. But I get what your issues are with her romance. Clearly even the romance options for straight men are meant to validate women's self image more than please men while all the romance options for straight women of course flaunt them too. I happen to not really enjoy most Bioware romances, come to think of it. Imo friendships are much better written than these questionable broken puppy romances. They cater to specific romantic kinks but rarely would I describe them as healthy and mature... Then again, healthy relationships are probably pretty boring to play, haha.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 9, 2020 15:34:17 GMT
Hallo, i decided to leave the poll open, but make a new one. Talk as you like, i hope the next one is better.
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Post by Syv on Aug 16, 2020 8:35:13 GMT
...made with women in mind, not men while it was for straight men. The behavior of Cassandra reminds me of too much some IRL demanding women that gladly play with beta nice men totally submitted to them by the way, an absolute turn off. Yup. As a woman I LOVED Cassandra as a character (but haven't done her romance yet) but yes, I would argue that the entire game was made for female players. Even GAY Dorian was imo made for women more than gay men. Or at least he's wildly popular among female players, like myself. The way you describe Cassandra's romance I would agree that this is the problem with the modern female ideal. Independent and "strong" to a degree that's entirely selfish and self-absorbed. I'm not sure that these real life women (and the MEN who write such characters, no less) are aware that they're just being as awful as men who are like that, or if it's actually on purpose. Some kind of sick revenge thing for centuries of oppression and being nothing but an accessory to the male ego. I get why some women get a kick out of being mean to men but the most bizarre thing is that men write such romances too like it's a good thing. Did they get brainwashed or what is that? Now, I'm a bit bossy myself, I will admit. I'm my own person and don't need a guy to complete me. But neither do I expect men to run after me treating me like a princess. I don't need expensive tokens of affection. In fact, I hate it all. And I have a no Christmas gifts policy. I just want to have a good time together built on mutual respect. I really dislike the current notion that strong women are those who behave like asshole men. I think Cassandra is fine as a character. She *is* very prejudiced and by the book. Which is clearly A FLAW. If she were a real friend of mine her narrow-minded principles would drive me up the wall all the time. She comes around eventually, she has a kind heart and she's a good friend to the inquisitor. But I get what your issues are with her romance. Clearly even the romance options for straight men are meant to validate women's self image more than please men while all the romance options for straight women of course flaunt them too. I happen to not really enjoy most Bioware romances, come to think of it. Imo friendships are much better written than these questionable broken puppy romances. They cater to specific romantic kinks but rarely would I describe them as healthy and mature... Then again, healthy relationships are probably pretty boring to play, haha. It pleases me that you understood me very well, and the core issue of the matter. I do agree with everything you said. Oh and I really like Cassandra too as a character, she is a good friend, and she has her flaws like everyone, what you described, it was just the romance that wasn't at all for me, and your words are exactly a big part of why. Exactly. You said it perfectly. Exactly my feeling. I much prefer the friendship path with Cassandra that was very cool !
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Post by dagless on Aug 16, 2020 17:23:18 GMT
Alistair doesn't fit with "bastard" because, for him, that label is not a personality trait but refers to his parentage. If someone who was unfamiliar with the series were to look at that list, with a whole bunch of personality traits, they would probably think you were calling Alistair an asshole. Sure. Tell that to the countless female Wardens dumped by Alastair for not being posh enough. I believe a common reaction was along the lines of: “Fine, you go and marry whatsherface then. See if I care. While we’re at it, why I don’t I kill the archdemon, so you can both live happily ever after? Satisfied? You bastard!”
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 16, 2020 19:14:41 GMT
Alistair doesn't fit with "bastard" because, for him, that label is not a personality trait but refers to his parentage. If someone who was unfamiliar with the series were to look at that list, with a whole bunch of personality traits, they would probably think you were calling Alistair an asshole. Sure. Tell that to the countless female Wardens dumped by Alastair for not being posh enough. I believe a common reaction was along the lines of: “Fine, you go and marry whatsherface then. See if I care. While we’re at it, why I don’t I kill the archdemon, so you can both live happily ever after? Satisfied? You bastard!” Meh... I romanced Alistair most of the times I played DAO as a mage. You can get hardened Alistair to disregard those rules of nobility and he will stay with you regardless of PC origin.
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