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Post by SirSourpuss on May 9, 2021 12:49:06 GMT
To my mind, game bigotry (entitlement could be another term) is simply insisting that other players can't play their way if that's different to how they play. I usually play paragon, but I don't want renegade to be removed because the choice is important even if I don't choose it. That is important to me, too. Even if I don't want to make an evil choice, the importance of the choice being there is significant, otherwise you just end up with different flavours of the same thing and that is just not roleplaying. Which is why I don't like the Dragon Age dialogue system, as it has become. It just feels like different flavours of the same answer and not different answers. The same goes for Andromeda. And they're all worded like a tweet.
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Post by General Mahad on May 9, 2021 16:27:53 GMT
You guys ever played Haven? It's an underrated space Romeo and Juliet, action adventure game with a really great relationship simulator aspect. The relationship aspect covers sexuality and they have a lot of it, but it is treated as no big deal compared to everything else in the relationship like intimacy and fights and alike. Good game, check it out if you want something relaxing:
In my opinion, unless your game is built with a relationships or sexuality or representation as the main theme or gameplay, it's gonna be lackluster. That being said, having shallow and predictable representation hammered into your skull gets annoying.
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Post by jclosed on May 9, 2021 18:29:50 GMT
Well - It's very easy in my humble opinion.
Games create something that is not present in real life. Sure - There are "realistic" games that even are based on, or reflect to things in "real life", but the majority of games create something that's not present in reality. And that majority of games are the games I refer to now.
When creating games (or story's in games) the developers create a own world, with own rules. Naturally when you no longer are bound to things that only are possible in reality, then the "sky is the limit". The same goes for morality and anything sexual. Because the player can do things in games that he never would do in reality, that person is no longer bound by (sometimes oppressing)society rules. In other words - He can turn into a mass murderer without any problem. Try that in real life.
You get the point. I think when you are playing a game, sexuality can (and will) not longer be limited to "everyday" morals. Just like violence can be unlimited and only can be hold back by the imagination of the game creator, the game goes for sexuality. I think nobody should censor or suppress game creators in creating a world with the amount violence and/or sexuality they want. For me there are no real borders.
It's really sad to see that some games (and especially Visual Novels) are being removed from, or not allowed to, a game platform like Steam, simply because something like a story of girl or boy being naughty in a school environment (yes really). It rubs me the wrong way. For things like gay or lesbian love there is also a big backlash. I think these things are just as natural as "strait" sexuality, and I personally do not feel any negativity to that (in fact, I am a fan of Yuri Visual novels like the Flowers series).
So - In the end I think restrictions lead to nothing. Let every developer free to picture the amount of sexuality they want. Let the buyer and/or player of the game (or Visual Novel) decide where his/her/it's border is reached. If you don't like it, then simply don't buy it. But it's not to groups (if it is religeon or some "white knight" or extremist group) to decide what other people are able or unable to see or play. As long as it's a game or any other medium, creators must be free to create. Sure - Things will be created that make other people feel uncomfortable or even outright sick, but even the latter brings a certain message(even if you don't like the message). Without the freedom to create the world would turn into a dull and uninteresting place. And thus - Let the creators create (and for big boobies - I personally like the smaller ones more).
And that's just my two cents (or four if you count inflation and VAT)...
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Post by turianlannister on May 9, 2021 22:52:31 GMT
I do believe there wasn't enough diversity and representation in ME. That's why I always interpreted Kalros as a transgender womxn of colour. Now it's canon. Really problematic how Bioware killed her off ... She wasn't killed off though
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Post by turianlannister on May 9, 2021 22:55:45 GMT
You guys ever played Haven? It's an underrated space Romeo and Juliet, action adventure game with a really great relationship simulator aspect. The relationship aspect covers sexuality and they have a lot of it, but it is treated as no big deal compared to everything else in the relationship like intimacy and fights and alike. Good game, check it out if you want something relaxing:
In my opinion, unless your game is built with a relationships or sexuality or representation as the main theme or gameplay, it's gonna be lackluster. That being said, having shallow and predictable representation hammered into your skull gets annoying.
The trailer makes the game look extremely het though
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 9, 2021 23:15:37 GMT
She wasn't killed off though Doesn't she get blown up by the Reaper she fights?
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Post by KaiserShep on May 9, 2021 23:32:30 GMT
Right now, I'm just hoping that Mass Effect improves on its "initiation" dialogue, where the chemistry between our protagonist and their chosen love interest feels more engaging and natural. Right now, I feel like Mass Effect has largely failed in that respect. Even if the dialogue between Shepard and whoever is fun after the fact, the way it all begins is really awkward and lacks depth.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 9, 2021 23:39:05 GMT
Right now, I'm just hoping that Mass Effect improves on its "initiation" dialogue, where the chemistry between our protagonist and their chosen love interest feels more engaging and natural. Right now, I feel like Mass Effect has largely failed in that respect. Even if the dialogue between Shepard and whoever is fun after the fact, the way it all begins is really awkward and lacks depth. Especially true for FemShep and Thane. The thirst!
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Post by KaiserShep on May 9, 2021 23:41:39 GMT
Right now, I'm just hoping that Mass Effect improves on its "initiation" dialogue, where the chemistry between our protagonist and their chosen love interest feels more engaging and natural. Right now, I feel like Mass Effect has largely failed in that respect. Even if the dialogue between Shepard and whoever is fun after the fact, the way it all begins is really awkward and lacks depth. Especially true for FemShep and Thane. The thirst! I never did Thane's romance dialogue, but at least FemShep can actually sit and talk to Thane about something else without sounding like she's looking for something more. Jacob, on the other hand, I don't even go into the damn armory unless it's to start his loyalty mission, because there's no ordinary dialogue with that fool.
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Post by General Mahad on May 10, 2021 0:12:11 GMT
You guys ever played Haven? It's an underrated space Romeo and Juliet, action adventure game with a really great relationship simulator aspect. The relationship aspect covers sexuality and they have a lot of it, but it is treated as no big deal compared to everything else in the relationship like intimacy and fights and alike. Good game, check it out if you want something relaxing:
In my opinion, unless your game is built with a relationships or sexuality or representation as the main theme or gameplay, it's gonna be lackluster. That being said, having shallow and predictable representation hammered into your skull gets annoying.
The trailer makes the game look extremely het though What is het?
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Post by midnightwolf on May 10, 2021 0:31:28 GMT
I wont deny I am a troll but I really am trying to have an actual conversation with this question. While trying to do it in a way that doesn't get the mods panties in a bunch. I am curious where the line is draw for representation in terms of sexuality. I love big boobs, giant, real, fake huge fucking boobs, it is my sexuality, I would argue it as part as my sexuality just like that a gay man finds a penis attractive on another male. The closest Bioware has gotten was Isabela, but even then I'd say they were a little too small for me. As you can tell by my name I am in a small niche of dudes who would rather engage in mammary intercourse than vaginal. Is this not the same as a gay man wanting a gay LI? Or for a transexual individual to want to have representation? Is the line orientation and not fetishism? I would argue that my orientation is based on breast size. I would have mammary intercourse with Nicki Valentina Rose even though she is transexual. What are your guys(and gals) thoughts. As a MOSTLY Heterosexual Woman, I love a big Penis. However I've yet to have my fantasy represented in a game. You however, have bubble butt Miranda and DD Liara, who's breasts grow with every game. Please go away and contemplate how fortunate you are!
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Post by midnightwolf on May 10, 2021 0:35:01 GMT
I do believe there wasn't enough diversity and representation in ME. That's why I always interpreted Kalros as a transgender womxn of colour. Now it's canon. Really problematic how Bioware killed her off ... She wasn't killed off though What's wrong with that Turian in your Profile picture?
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Post by turianlannister on May 10, 2021 1:10:53 GMT
She wasn't killed off though What's wrong with that Turian in your Profile picture? It's Tyrion Lannister from Game of Thrones on a turian's face (apparently it's Chellick) making him Turian Lannister
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Post by turianlannister on May 10, 2021 1:12:33 GMT
The trailer makes the game look extremely het though What is het? Hetrosexual You say 'The relationship aspect covers sexuality and they have a lot of it' but all I see in the trailer is a hetrosexual couple
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Post by midnightwolf on May 10, 2021 1:14:06 GMT
What's wrong with that Turian in your Profile picture? It's Tyrion Lannister from Game of Thrones on a turian's face (apparently it's Chellick) making him Turian Lannister I've never seen Game of Thrones. But may I just say I find it disturbing lol.
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Post by xassantex on May 10, 2021 1:15:51 GMT
I wont deny I am a troll but I really am trying to have an actual conversation with this question. While trying to do it in a way that doesn't get the mods panties in a bunch. I am curious where the line is draw for representation in terms of sexuality. I love big boobs, giant, real, fake huge fucking boobs, it is my sexuality, I would argue it as part as my sexuality just like that a gay man finds a penis attractive on another male. The closest Bioware has gotten was Isabela, but even then I'd say they were a little too small for me. As you can tell by my name I am in a small niche of dudes who would rather engage in mammary intercourse than vaginal. Is this not the same as a gay man wanting a gay LI? Or for a transexual individual to want to have representation? Is the line orientation and not fetishism? I would argue that my orientation is based on breast size. I would have mammary intercourse with Nicki Valentina Rose even though she is transexual. What are your guys(and gals) thoughts. As a MOSTLY Heterosexual Woman, I love a big Penis. However I've yet to have my fantasy represented in a game. You however, have bubble butt Miranda and DD Liara, who's breasts grow with every game. Please go away and contemplate how fortunate you are! what about balls ? it's a concern because space suits look so constricting, which causes overheat and kill sperm production. But maybe they're ventilated. There 's no codex about it.
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Post by turianlannister on May 10, 2021 1:17:33 GMT
She wasn't killed off though Doesn't she get blown up by the Reaper she fights? No, she just drags it underground BTW, your comment about her being a transgender womxn of colour is transphobic, racist bullshit
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Post by midnightwolf on May 10, 2021 1:21:21 GMT
As a MOSTLY Heterosexual Woman, I love a big Penis. However I've yet to have my fantasy represented in a game. You however, have bubble butt Miranda and DD Liara, who's breasts grow with every game. Please go away and contemplate how fortunate you are! what about balls ? it's a concern because space suits look so constricting, which causes overheat and kill sperm production. But maybe they're ventilated. There 's no codex about it. Yup. I love big balls, I cannot lie. Lol.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 10, 2021 1:36:20 GMT
BTW, your comment about her being a transgender womxn of colour is transphobic, racist bullshit
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Post by General Mahad on May 10, 2021 4:41:29 GMT
Hetrosexual You say 'The relationship aspect covers sexuality and they have a lot of it' but all I see in the trailer is a hetrosexual couple Yeah, as sexuality itself and not orientation. The former of which BioWare is really bad at depicting. Regarding LGBT, one of the main characters has two mothers and one of them is directly involved in the plot in as well as having a direct impact on the other main character. The mother involved is portrayed well but it’s clear she’s not an innocent party. Also in regards to LGBT (maybe?), the characters talk about having sex with their same sex clones.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 10, 2021 4:57:26 GMT
Also in regards to LGBT (maybe?), the characters talk about having sex with their same sex clones. Wait, what? Also:
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Post by SofaJockey on May 10, 2021 8:50:23 GMT
all I see in the trailer is a hetrosexual couple I think it's worth drawing a line between the game (where representation has improved over time) and game marketing which is considerably more coy and plays to tradition demographics. To the point that female-version marketing is very much an afterthought (though it exists). And as you point out, same-sex hasn't yet arrived in the marketing department (still worried about Fox News perhaps)
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Post by wright1978 on May 10, 2021 8:53:24 GMT
Personally I think big boobs are overrated (particularly fake ones) and find there are far more interesting things on a woman's body. In terms of videogames I think the best approach is to keep things at a range of normalcy...small variations in height, weight, and proportions. Attractive faces are the bigger must. Actual sex scenes are a waste of resources, mostly cringy, and better done if you fade to black. I'd rather see hugs, cuddling, and walking hand-in-hand for romance representation. Disagree hate fade to blacks with a passion. I want to see representation of the sexual aspect of relationships, not have cut so others can get more pc romance stuff such as useless hand in hand walking.
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Post by helios969 on May 10, 2021 9:00:39 GMT
Personally I think big boobs are overrated (particularly fake ones) and find there are far more interesting things on a woman's body. In terms of videogames I think the best approach is to keep things at a range of normalcy...small variations in height, weight, and proportions. Attractive faces are the bigger must. Actual sex scenes are a waste of resources, mostly cringy, and better done if you fade to black. I'd rather see hugs, cuddling, and walking hand-in-hand for romance representation. Disagree hate fade to blacks with a passion. I want to see representation of the sexual aspect of relationships, not have cut so others can get more pc romance stuff such as useless hand in hand walking. Well my feeling is that all this romance stuff has become overly taxing on game development and other aspects suffer. I'd rather see it removed altogether than waste resources showing awkward sex scenes to the fullest extent. I don't mind it starting with heavy kissing and undressing but beyond that it's unnecessary imo.
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Post by wright1978 on May 10, 2021 9:51:14 GMT
Disagree hate fade to blacks with a passion. I want to see representation of the sexual aspect of relationships, not have cut so others can get more pc romance stuff such as useless hand in hand walking. Well my feeling is that all this romance stuff has become overly taxing on game development and other aspects suffer. I'd rather see it removed altogether than waste resources showing awkward sex scenes to the fullest extent. I don't mind it starting with heavy kissing and undressing but beyond that it's unnecessary imo. Well personally i’d Prefer they cut out/cut down the open world nature, so everyone’s likely got areas they would prefer scalpeled. I don’t see any proof that romances are any more taxing than anything else. The only awkwardness I see in sex scenes is when prudery rears it’s head (origins/me2 sex in underwear etc). Some of my favourite romance sexual moments have contained nudity (tw2 for example) but I will concede I had no issue with da2 isabela’s scene which represented sex with heavy petting & post sex convo.
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