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Post by Cyberstrike on May 11, 2021 19:06:07 GMT
The same here and from I seen and heard about it, I don't think I'm missing much.
Seasons 1-6 are very entertaining imo, but 5&6 had dips in quality. The ending of GoT, on the other hand, makes ME3's ending look like a well-planned masterclass in concluding an epic tale. I say this, triggering myself as I type it - because it is giving deserved praise to the bad job that BioWare did. It is simply not nearly as terrible as what D&D did with the GoT. So, if you are ok with some rape fantasy in your wizards and warriors epic, and don't mind brutality, I can recommend the early seasons. Stop your playthrough after the BotB and you have seen the best it has to offer which is quite a lot. GoT is interesting for this topic - strong women, sexy women, deadly women. The nurturing ones were killed pretty quickly iirc. The treatment of women is all over the place, but they hold plenty of cards. A properly made GoT game would have potential for this topic.
When it was originally on TV I didn't have HBO (and still don't) and I didn't have and/or want to spend money on a TV show on DVD, Blu-Ray, and/or MS Movie and TV that never looked that good to me and was mostly known for graphic sex scenes, rape and violence and it didn't help matters after that stuff got really boring to me after watching Spartacus from Starz where some of the sex scenes felt like padding and sorry but Game of Thrones didn't and still doesn't looks that appealing to me. It's not my cup of tea, I have enjoyed Gentlemen Jack and Watchmen from HBO.
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Post by Noxluxe on May 11, 2021 19:48:05 GMT
When it was originally on TV I didn't have HBO (and still don't) and I didn't have and/or want to spend money on a TV show on DVD, Blu-Ray, and/or MS Movie and TV that never looked that good to me and was mostly known for graphic sex scenes, rape and violence and it didn't help matters after that stuff got really boring to me after watching Spartacus from Starz where some of the sex scenes felt like padding and sorry but Game of Thrones didn't and still doesn't looks that appealing to me. It's not my cup of tea, I have enjoyed Gentlemen Jack and Watchmen from HBO.
I'm always shocked when I hear this reason not to have watched it. Game of Thrones on HBO was a cultural phenomenon that spanned the Western world for a decade, and there's no way you missed that. I feel vaguely insulted on behalf of the rest of humanity when people just off-handedly assume that we were all glued to the screen year after year for rape, violence and graphic sex. Not that it is everyone's cup of tea, obviously. I vividly remember the scene where a pregnant woman is openly gutted with a knife as the point where my girlfriend swore off watching the show ever again. After she finished throwing up all over our couch. You also forgot to mention the incest.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 19:48:19 GMT
jesus guys i was just trollin tryin to toe the line of getting banned.
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Post by Guardian on May 11, 2021 21:47:05 GMT
jesus guys i was just trollin tryin to toe the line of getting banned.
Well, how DARE you start a thread that actually has a robust, healthy and respectable conversation to it! The NERVE!
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Post by turianlannister on May 11, 2021 23:50:52 GMT
I think sexuality in games should be geared towards the primary demographic who will actually play the game. Translation: "I'm entitled and selfish and think all romances should be aimed at straight men like me" When it was originally on TV I didn't have HBO (and still don't) and I didn't have and/or want to spend money on a TV show on DVD, Blu-Ray, and/or MS Movie and TV that never looked that good to me and was mostly known for graphic sex scenes, rape and violence and it didn't help matters after that stuff got really boring to me after watching Spartacus from Starz where some of the sex scenes felt like padding and sorry but Game of Thrones didn't and still doesn't looks that appealing to me. It's not my cup of tea, I have enjoyed Gentlemen Jack and Watchmen from HBO.
I'm always shocked when I hear this reason not to have watched it. Game of Thrones on HBO was a cultural phenomenon that spanned the Western world for a decade, and there's no way you missed that. I feel vaguely insulted on behalf of the rest of humanity when people just off-handedly assume that we were all glued to the screen year after year for rape, violence and graphic sex. Not that it is everyone's cup of tea, obviously. I vividly remember the scene where a pregnant woman is openly gutted with a knife as the point where my girlfriend swore off watching the show ever again. After she finished throwing up all over our couch. You also forgot to mention the incest. Regarding the pregnant woman, I remember some loon going off on the old imdb boards about how the actor who played her was a terrible person who shouldn't have agreed to film that scene, I'm guessing they went off like a loon because they're some sort of forced birther
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Post by vonuber on May 12, 2021 0:01:30 GMT
As a straight white male i suspect I've been represented far too much in the 30 odd years I've been gaming.
Which is why in games like ME I like to role play as something different, and leave it up to those who know better to inform me as to how accurate or not those representations actully are.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 0:21:38 GMT
I think sexuality in games should be geared towards the primary demographic who will actually play the game. Translation: "I'm entitled and selfish and think all romances should be aimed at straight men like me" I'm always shocked when I hear this reason not to have watched it. Game of Thrones on HBO was a cultural phenomenon that spanned the Western world for a decade, and there's no way you missed that. I feel vaguely insulted on behalf of the rest of humanity when people just off-handedly assume that we were all glued to the screen year after year for rape, violence and graphic sex. Not that it is everyone's cup of tea, obviously. I vividly remember the scene where a pregnant woman is openly gutted with a knife as the point where my girlfriend swore off watching the show ever again. After she finished throwing up all over our couch. You also forgot to mention the incest. Regarding the pregnant woman, I remember some loon going off on the old imdb boards about how the actor who played her was a terrible person who shouldn't have agreed to film that scene, I'm guessing they went off like a loon because they're some sort of forced birther If thats what he is saying then I agree with him.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 0:27:22 GMT
I wont deny I am a troll but I really am trying to have an actual conversation with this question. While trying to do it in a way that doesn't get the mods panties in a bunch. I am curious where the line is draw for representation in terms of sexuality. I love big boobs, giant, real, fake huge fucking boobs, it is my sexuality, I would argue it as part as my sexuality just like that a gay man finds a penis attractive on another male. The closest Bioware has gotten was Isabela, but even then I'd say they were a little too small for me. As you can tell by my name I am in a small niche of dudes who would rather engage in mammary intercourse than vaginal. Is this not the same as a gay man wanting a gay LI? Or for a transexual individual to want to have representation? Is the line orientation and not fetishism? I would argue that my orientation is based on breast size. I would have mammary intercourse with Nicki Valentina Rose even though she is transexual. What are your guys(and gals) thoughts. As a MOSTLY Heterosexual Woman, I love a big Penis. However I've yet to have my fantasy represented in a game. You however, have bubble butt Miranda and DD Liara, who's breasts grow with every game. Please go away and contemplate how fortunate you are! But do they have a paizuri scene? you aint getting my point, which is 1 to troll but 2 make it a point on how stupid it is to cater to everything, I love tit fucking, its the only porn I watch, so me demanding they put a tit fucking scene in a game is ridiculous. What percentage of the population enjoys tit fuckin as much as I do? Not a lot, what percentage of the population is transexual? not a lot, but no one bats an eye when we talk about transexual represntation in video games.
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Post by General Mahad on May 12, 2021 2:21:29 GMT
jesus guys i was just trollin tryin to toe the line of getting banned. You kind of backfired bud, this place isn't instant ban happy like ResetEra.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 2:30:31 GMT
jesus guys i was just trollin tryin to toe the line of getting banned. You kind of backfired bud, this place isn't instant ban happy like ResetEra. Gotcha loud and clear, I need to try HARDER.
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Post by sassafrassa on May 12, 2021 3:19:23 GMT
Translation: "I'm entitled and selfish and think all romances should be aimed at straight men like me" No, I'm realistic and practical.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 12, 2021 3:26:20 GMT
As a straight white male i suspect I've been represented far too much in the 30 odd years I've been gaming. Which is why in games like ME I like to role play as something different, and leave it up to those who know better to inform me as to how accurate or not those representations actully are. As a white male, I continue to play exclusively as a white male. Not straight so playing straight is only if gay/bi unavailable. I don't play women, I don't play aliens, I've given elves a shot (not a favorite) but ultimately I play something more representative of me. I have no regrets. Similarly, when I read books, I prefer the main characters to be human males. I've actually stopped reading books when I realized it was a non-human alien. Rare to read about a female lead. Call me xenophobic, sexist, [insert bad thing of your choice]. Don't care. Personally, I don't care of a representation is accurate or not. A male Inquisitor is "accurate" when romancing Dorian or Cassandra. A male Shepard is "accurate" whether romancing Cortez or Miranda. In fact, trying to peg someone into "accurate portrayal" is really just stereotyping. I don't mean this as a knock against you but diversity of behavior is actually most accurate.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 12, 2021 3:38:26 GMT
What are your guys(and gals) thoughts. My take is basically to write a character and have the character be able to potentially romance male or female. It doesn't need to be a "thing". Just do it matter of fact. MShenko is a prime example. The guys are the same regardless of romance. There was no talk of "I'm actually gay/bi". You just knew it because of their actions. Even Cortez was fine because he was suffering from the loss of a spouse and that's how it was referenced. No "I'm gay and that's why I have a husband". I cringe when I read about homophobia/transphobia in games. Just write characters as though they're an average person (or exceptional, more likely) and then the romances go where they go. FYI, I doubt people who call themselves trolls are actually trolls.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 12, 2021 3:45:38 GMT
I think sexuality in games should be geared towards the primary demographic who will actually play the game. Like me?
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Post by dmc1001 on May 12, 2021 3:56:07 GMT
She wasn't killed off though Doesn't she get blown up by the Reaper she fights? Kalros is last seen wrestling the Reaper to the ground.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 12, 2021 4:02:38 GMT
Yup. I love big balls, I cannot lie. Lol. loves big cocks, but also loves big balls...How about giant balls and no cock? Asking for a friend "Package" deal.
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Post by Noxluxe on May 12, 2021 6:39:02 GMT
No, I'm realistic and practical. Meh. I think video game companies have a good incentive to branch out a little when it makes sense, when it doesn't mess with anything else and when it doesn't take up a lot of resources, which is why you're way more likely to have a bisexual romance option than a homosexual one. Gamers are a fairly diverse bunch compared to, say, moviegoers, and there's probably at least some money in addition to good press in throwing the most populous non-straight demographics a bone, and it gives everyone else some more roleplaying options too, and that's what we've been seeing in RPGs for the past few decades. And there are plenty of great games that focus on one minor demographic or another because the creator just had a really good idea that fit the topic perfectly. What's weird to me is people feeling entitled to video games catering to whichever sexual minorities even when there isn't a real market for it or when it would require significant investment or break the story's suspension of disbelief, or complaining on minorities' behalf as if it's unfair that developers won't spend money and time to craft an experience they can only sell to ten people vs one they can sell to a thousand. As if making everybody feel included is some sort of responsibility game developers have that should trump their bottom line. And then you get the odd video game developer/movie director twitter activist who thinks that way too, and ends up making a complete mess of a game or movie trying to create the perfect inclusive story sans all logic and dramatic structure, essentially sacrificing their work, time, reputation and other people's money on the altar of heterosexual guilt. *cough*LastofUs2*cough.*
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Post by vonuber on May 12, 2021 7:41:35 GMT
As a white male, I continue to play exclusively as a white male. ... I don't mean this as a knock against you but diversity of behavior is actually most accurate. Not being very diverse in your behaviour though..
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Post by Noxluxe on May 12, 2021 14:59:48 GMT
As a white male, I continue to play exclusively as a white male. Not straight so playing straight is only if gay/bi unavailable. I don't play women, I don't play aliens, I've given elves a shot (not a favorite) but ultimately I play something more representative of me. I have no regrets. Similarly, when I read books, I prefer the main characters to be human males. I've actually stopped reading books when I realized it was a non-human alien. Rare to read about a female lead. Call me xenophobic, sexist, [insert bad thing of your choice]. Don't care. Personally, I don't care of a representation is accurate or not. A male Inquisitor is "accurate" when romancing Dorian or Cassandra. A male Shepard is "accurate" whether romancing Cortez or Miranda. In fact, trying to peg someone into "accurate portrayal" is really just stereotyping. I don't mean this as a knock against you but diversity of behavior is actually most accurate. I think I go about 40/60 on male/female characters. Mostly because I've spent the past two decades playing every popular RPG over and over again as a male character, and shifting to female ones is often necessary to make them feel just a little bit fresh again. And I've just played way too many quasi-messianic farmboy hero guys in various genres not to run those stories as a woman instead just to make it less of the same old. I'd argue that the Mass Effect trilogy is thematically a way better story with a female Shepard, for example, because Shepard's essential role in the galaxy is to force the kids to get along and defend the nest against intruders. The Control ending lends itself particularly well to a FemShep trying to play mama bear to all life everywhere. And because of the biological enhancements and biotics of the setting there's no suspension of disbelief issues whatsoever with a woman physically being one of the best soldiers in the galaxy, which would otherwise seem... very very unlikely. Also because female character writing just tends to be really unimaginative across the board, even when written by women, and if you want a woman character with any depth or emotional authenticity in a story you usually have to make her yourself. Same with books. The ones with good female narrators are so few and far between that it can be a real breath of fresh air. I'd happily recommend you some I think you might like. Skin color-wise I always just stick to whatever seems to make sense for the character's background and setting. No dark-skinned PCs in Origins unless you play a Dalish elf whose parents are from an unspecified foreign clan, for example, and I usually shoot for a mixed-race or vaguely Asian character in Mass Effect because of the century and a half of racial interbreeding between us now and 2181, and same for Cyberpunk. And sexual orientation-wise, my male characters are usually straight and occasionally bi, and my female ones can be straight, les or bi depending on her personality and background and the available romance options. A lesbian Cousland who would have been groomed for a political marriage would take a bit to justify, for example, though there could definitely be a story there, while the only cultural sexual barriers Shep would have faced would be Alliance fraternization protocols. Although an Earthborn gay MShep who has been in the closet out of latent fear of appearing weak due to his roots, or a "lesbian" Earthborn or Colonist Shepard who has been wary of dating men for the same reason or because of past trauma wouldn't be unnatural either.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 12, 2021 15:28:08 GMT
As a white male, I continue to play exclusively as a white male. Not straight so playing straight is only if gay/bi unavailable. I don't play women, I don't play aliens, I've given elves a shot (not a favorite) but ultimately I play something more representative of me. I have no regrets. Similarly, when I read books, I prefer the main characters to be human males. I've actually stopped reading books when I realized it was a non-human alien. Rare to read about a female lead. Call me xenophobic, sexist, [insert bad thing of your choice]. Don't care. Personally, I don't care of a representation is accurate or not. A male Inquisitor is "accurate" when romancing Dorian or Cassandra. A male Shepard is "accurate" whether romancing Cortez or Miranda. In fact, trying to peg someone into "accurate portrayal" is really just stereotyping. I don't mean this as a knock against you but diversity of behavior is actually most accurate. I think I go about 40/60 on male/female characters. Mostly because I've spent the past two decades playing every popular RPG over and over again as a male character, and shifting to female ones is often necessary to make them feel just a little bit fresh again. And I've just played way too many quasi-messianic farmboy hero guys in various genres not to run those stories as a woman instead just to make it less of the same old. I'd argue that the Mass Effect trilogy is thematically a way better story with a female Shepard, for example, because Shepard's essential role in the galaxy is to force the kids to get along and defend the nest against intruders. The Control ending lends itself particularly well to a FemShep trying to play mama bear to all life everywhere. And because of the biological enhancements and biotics of the setting there's no suspension of disbelief issues whatsoever with a woman physically being one of the best soldiers in the galaxy, which would otherwise seem... very very unlikely. Also because female character writing just tends to be really unimaginative across the board, even when written by women, and if you want a woman character with any depth or sense of emotional authenticity in a story you really usually have to make her yourself. Same with books. The ones with good female narrators are so few and far between that it can be a real breath of fresh air. I'd happily recommend you some I think you might like. Skin color-wise I always just stick to whatever seems to make sense for the character's background and setting. No dark-skinned PCs in Origins unless you play a Dalish elf whose parents are specifically from an unspecified foreign clan, for example, and I usually shoot for a mixed-race or vaguely Asian character in Mass Effect because of the century and a half of racial interbreeding between us and 2181, and same for Cyberpunk. And sexual orientation-wise, my male characters are usually straight and occasionally bi, and my female ones can be straight, les or bi depending on her personality and background and the available romance options. A lesbian Cousland who would have been groomed for a political marriage would take a bit to justify, for example, though there could definitely be a story there, while the only cultural sexual barriers Shep would have faced would be Alliance fraternization protocol. Although an Earthborn gay MShep who has been in the closet out of latent fear of appearing weak due to his roots, or a "lesbian" Earthborn or Colonist Shepard who has been wary of dating men for the same reason or because of past trauma, wouldn't be unnatural either. That's a very complex procedure. Mine is; if there's a default I like, go with that, when no such option is available, make dwarf, if no dwarf, make Jack.
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That's a very complex procedure. Mine is; if there's a default I like, go with that, when no such option is available, make dwarf, if no dwarf, make Jack. I... won't deny that I might have a tendency to over-think things. But that comes with being a writing nerd. Nuance and detail. I've definitely become very partial to dwarves as well. You wouldn't catch me dead playing a default character though. Too much of a control freak. Regarding the pregnant woman, I remember some loon going off on the old imdb boards about how the actor who played her was a terrible person who shouldn't have agreed to film that scene, I'm guessing they went off like a loon because they're some sort of forced birther That would be pretty hilarious. Personally I just thought her husband was a complete moron for keeping her with him on campaign and taking her to that celebration instead of just sending her home to one of his most trusted vassal's castles under heavy guard the moment they were married, or at least when he learned she was pregnant. Against her will, if she was really irresponsible enough not to go. Pregnant women and army camps are a dumb combination no matter how you slice it. One of the goofiest things in TLOU2 is a heavily pregnant character who chooses to go along on patrols while her faction is at war while fibbing about her partner obviously not having a say in the matter, and when she inevitably gets herself killed the tragedy is portrayed as the killer's fault for forcing the confrontation and not checking under her coat beforehand rather than her own for knowingly entering danger for no reason with a baby strapped to her belly without caring what the presumably reluctant father had to say. One of those instances of the writer having something to say without really thinking about what he was putting down on the page.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 12, 2021 16:10:40 GMT
That's a very complex procedure. Mine is; if there's a default I like, go with that, when no such option is available, make dwarf, if no dwarf, make Jack. I... won't deny that I might have a tendency to over-think things. But that comes with being a writing nerd. Nuance and detail. I've definitely become very partial to dwarves as well. You wouldn't catch me dead playing a default character though. Too much of a control freak. I write, too. But what I write doesn't always match what other people write, especially in a video game. So instead of overthinking something that will, inadvertently, pull me out of the world, I go with the defaults. A whole lot of messes are avoided that way. But that is also why, in some games that the dissonance is too great, I just can't play them.
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Post by jrpN7 on May 12, 2021 19:10:01 GMT
Translation: "I'm entitled and selfish and think all romances should be aimed at straight men like me" No, I'm realistic and practical. Yawn. Realistically, I think it would be good for straight male gamers to play a gay male lead for once. See reality through another's lenses. Experience something new. Zeus knows women and gay men have been having to peer through a straight male lens since forever. If you enjoy it, it's likely because the story and setting was that good. If you don't, well, now you know how easily games can fall flat for you when it isn't catered to your preferences.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 12, 2021 19:15:10 GMT
No, I'm realistic and practical. Yawn. Realistically, I think it would be good for straight male gamers to play a gay male lead for once. See reality through another's lenses. Experience something new. Zeus knows women and gay men have been having to peer through a straight male lens since forever. If you enjoy it, it's likely because the story and setting was that good. If you don't, well, now you know how easily games can fall flat for you when it isn't catered to your preferences. My Cousland did Zevran in the butt, like only a REAL MAN would, thank you veeeery much!
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Post by jrpN7 on May 12, 2021 19:37:22 GMT
Yawn. Realistically, I think it would be good for straight male gamers to play a gay male lead for once. See reality through another's lenses. Experience something new. Zeus knows women and gay men have been having to peer through a straight male lens since forever. If you enjoy it, it's likely because the story and setting was that good. If you don't, well, now you know how easily games can fall flat for you when it isn't catered to your preferences. My Cousland did Zevran in the butt, like only a REAL MAN would, thank you veeeery much! But, proud of you, boo
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