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Post by themikefest on Apr 11, 2022 11:36:37 GMT
Hey guys! Let's have a thread about what NEW things we want to see in the next Mass Effect game! 6 pages arguing about the ending follow. New things for the next ME game? How about having the option to remove squadmates from the roster for doing stupid crap? How about having the human females letting their hair down in between missions? How about having long curly hair? How about hearing what the one more story is the guy mentioned to the kid? How about learning what new dish the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the greatest chef in the universe, will be cooking in ME4 for Shepard? How about remaking the trilogy with the organics as the feared force in darkspace coming to the Milky Way to harvest the reapers? How about returning some old stuff? For instance. Having the option to recruit, or not, squadmates. Bringing back the power wheel. How about playing as a Cerberus agent in ME4 once they're rebuilt after the events of ME3? How about playing a game as space hamster? Have the game take place in between ME2/3? Space hamster has to avoid being discovered on the SR2 for 6 months. Climb/crawl around obstacles. Looking for scraps of food to survive. How about playing as a reaper? You and Harbinger are best buds. After each harvest, you meet back at club darkspace to talk smack to each other about which one destroyed the most organics
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Post by Iakus on Apr 11, 2022 15:11:33 GMT
Hey guys! Let's have a thread about what NEW things we want to see in the next Mass Effect game! 6 pages arguing about the ending follow. Let's face it, the franchise is not moving forward without the endings being addressed.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 11, 2022 15:57:42 GMT
Hey guys! Let's have a thread about what NEW things we want to see in the next Mass Effect game! 6 pages arguing about the ending follow. New things for the next ME game? How about having the option to remove squadmates from the roster for doing stupid crap? How about having the human females letting their hair down in between missions? How about having long curly hair? How about hearing what the one more story is the guy mentioned to the kid? How about learning what new dish the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the greatest chef in the universe, will be cooking in ME4 for Shepard? How about remaking the trilogy with the organics as the feared force in darkspace coming to the Milky Way to harvest the reapers? How about returning some old stuff? For instance. Having the option to recruit, or not, squadmates. Bringing back the power wheel. How about playing as a Cerberus agent in ME4 once they're rebuilt after the events of ME3? How about playing a game as space hamster? Have the game take place in between ME2/3? Space hamster has to avoid being discovered on the SR2 for 6 months. Climb/crawl around obstacles. Looking for scraps of food to survive. How about playing as a reaper? You and Harbinger are best buds. After each harvest, you meet back at club darkspace to talk smack to each other about which one destroyed the most organics Or even better, better hair options. 😄😉
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2022 16:06:52 GMT
Cora recreating Cerberus in Andromeda. Why would she possibly do that? Never mind that it's clear that she is not TIM's daughter, she's certainly not as intelligent, ruthless, cunning and visionary as he was. It would be a complete failure. Anything like a new Cerberus (which I would hope they wouldn't do because human dominance in Andromeda is just stupid) would have to be from the Mysterious Benefactor.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2022 16:13:31 GMT
Hey guys! Let's have a thread about what NEW things we want to see in the next Mass Effect game! 6 pages arguing about the ending follow. Let's face it, the franchise is not moving forward without the endings being addressed. Here are the endings least likely to happen: Synthesis and Refuse. Control is a maybe but it would have to be at a time when Shep took the Reapers to dark space or something. Or maybe they keep watch over the Leviathans to make sure they don't engage in any more shenanigans with their massive mind control abilities. Either way, giant death gods in the sky wouldn't work very well unless we're looking to have an atmosphere of horror in which people are certain those things are going to turn on them at any minute. Which is how I'd feel.
There's only one ending that works. Maybe they'd modify it to not kill off all synthetics so that they don't vanish from existence. I think geth that were friendly with organics would be nice, and also have no desire to be individuals since they never wanted that until near the end of ME3. And having EDI around would be a big plus. I'd retire Shepard though. I have no interest in Shepard being massively different than any version I've come up with. A Shepard based on my avatar would never exist and it would make me unhappy. So avoid that entirely and retire Shep to live happily ever after as an unspecified gender with an unspecified LI.
Edit: The Leviathans are a potential enemy should Shep not become a Reaper. They're dangerous, arrogant and more powerful than any organic race we've ever seen. They wouldn't be galaxy-shattering but they would have the ability to enslave the races of the MW. Without Reapers keeping their numbers down they'd create more of themselves and things would continue to worsen. That's when we'd need to call on synthetics (geth) to stand against them. A twist on the relationship between organics and synthetics.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 11, 2022 16:17:47 GMT
Let's face it, the franchise is not moving forward without the endings being addressed. Here are the endings least likely to happen: Synthesis and Refuse. Control is a maybe but it would have to be at a time when Shep took the Reapers to dark space or something. Or maybe they keep watch over the Leviathans to make sure they don't engage in any more shenanigans with their massive mind control abilities. Either way, giant death gods in the sky wouldn't work very well unless we're looking to have an atmosphere of horror in which people are certain those things are going to turn on them at any minute. Which is how I'd feel.
There's only one ending that works. Maybe they'd modify it to not kill off all synthetics so that they don't vanish from existence. I think geth that were friendly with organics would be nice, and also have no desire to be individuals since they never wanted that until near the end of ME3. And having EDI around would be a big plus. I'd retire Shepard though. I have no interest in Shepard being massively different than any version I've come up with. A Shepard based on my avatar would never exist and it would make me unhappy. So avoid that entirely and retire Shep to live happily ever after as an unspecified gender with an unspecified LI.
Even if they did that, it would still p*ss off a LOT of people. because while Destroy is the clear favorite, Control and Synthesis do have their fans (no, I do not understand this, but they do exist) Heck, I imagine there are even some refuse enthusiasts. So any ending they canonize will anger people. So I believe they will have to do either a hard reboot (since the soft one didn't work), or take things in an entirely different direction.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2022 16:20:43 GMT
Even if they did that, it would still p*ss off a LOT of people. because while Destroy is the clear favorite, Control and Synthesis do have their fans (no, I do not understand this, but they do exist) Heck, I imagine there are even some refuse enthusiasts. So any ending they canonize will anger people. So I believe they will have to do either a hard reboot (since the soft one didn't work), or take things in an entirely different direction. It doesn't matter. Someone's going to be pissed off no matter what. They have to make a decision. People will have to suck it up or just reject then next game entirely.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 11, 2022 17:06:09 GMT
Cora recreating Cerberus in Andromeda. Why would she possibly do that? Never mind that it's clear that she is not TIM's daughter, she's certainly not as intelligent, ruthless, cunning and visionary as he was. It would be a complete failure. Anything like a new Cerberus (which I would hope they wouldn't do because human dominance in Andromeda is just stupid) would have to be from the Mysterious Benefactor. Here's a post about Cora being TIW.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 11, 2022 18:53:59 GMT
Even if they did that, it would still p*ss off a LOT of people. because while Destroy is the clear favorite, Control and Synthesis do have their fans (no, I do not understand this, but they do exist) Heck, I imagine there are even some refuse enthusiasts. So any ending they canonize will anger people. So I believe they will have to do either a hard reboot (since the soft one didn't work), or take things in an entirely different direction. It doesn't matter. Someone's going to be pissed off no matter what. They have to make a decision. People will have to suck it up or just reject then next game entirely. This is why I'm increasingly convinced Bioware simply needs to let Mass Effect die. They've poisoned the franchise. If they had fixed things way back when, maybe there would have been enough goodwill to salvage things. Now, there is simply to much baggage. There are no good choices left that won't result in a lot of people rejecting whatever comes next.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 11, 2022 19:09:34 GMT
It doesn't matter. Someone's going to be pissed off no matter what. They have to make a decision. People will have to suck it up or just reject then next game entirely. This is why I'm increasingly convinced Bioware simply needs to let Mass Effect die. They've poisoned the franchise. If they had fixed things way back when, maybe there would have been enough goodwill to salvage things. Now, there is simply to much baggage. There are no good choices left that won't result in a lot of people rejecting whatever comes next. Agreed. It should have died with ME3.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2022 1:33:39 GMT
This is why I'm increasingly convinced Bioware simply needs to let Mass Effect die. They've poisoned the franchise. If they had fixed things way back when, maybe there would have been enough goodwill to salvage things. Now, there is simply to much baggage. There are no good choices left that won't result in a lot of people rejecting whatever comes next. I've thought that for a long time. Loved the trilogy. Enjoyed MEA, but not on the same level. BW has proven they'll abandon ME when it's not producing the numbers they're looking for. Or maybe it's more about press. Regardless of whether or not the game was good, they got bad press because of some graphical screw-ups. That was a hurdle they couldn't overcome. Same with CP2077, I think. They fixed a ton of things but I don't think it ever recovered from the initial problems.
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Post by Guardian on Apr 12, 2022 3:07:09 GMT
Even if they did that, it would still p*ss off a LOT of people. because while Destroy is the clear favorite, Control and Synthesis do have their fans (no, I do not understand this, but they do exist) Heck, I imagine there are even some refuse enthusiasts. So any ending they canonize will anger people. So I believe they will have to do either a hard reboot (since the soft one didn't work), or take things in an entirely different direction. It doesn't matter. Someone's going to be pissed off no matter what. They have to make a decision. People will have to suck it up or just reject then next game entirely. As much as I understand Iakus' points, the bolded part is where it boils down to. I've thought about this myself for a long time now. Even had discussions with friends that were into the series day one, and new ones that joined with MELE.
Mass Effect could survive. Yes, they should have addressed the ME 3 ending debacle back then. They didn't and because of some very stubborn actions, probably never will. Andromeda was fun, but it wasn't great. I've gone over in my head how I grade each game on a rubric, being rather harsh and critical. But if this series is to survive, then they have to address the elephant in the room - the toxic endings that divided the fanbase at the end of ME 3. People are going to be pissed - no way getting around it.
Some will just rant, because "X ending was chosen! I'm done with this franchise now!" That's fine...let them. Others will probably scratch their heads, question the choice, but be willing to give the game a chance. Because as I've observed and talked to those who are new to this franchise from MELE, most want to know what happened after ME 3. I bring up Andromeda to my circle of new players, and the response is either uninterested or they've tried it and didn't care for it.
So, to keep it in line with the thread, I'd like to see a new protagonist. It's really the only way we can go forward. Shep's done; I'm all for the ideas dmc1001 threw out there about Shep retiring and using Destroy. But don't bring Shep back; their time is done.
I'd like to see a return to how classes worked before. The profile system was a nice idea to try, but it wasn't great. One of the problems I had with the rpg-lite elements of the series when it came to the mechanics. I know some have argued, "You don't want to put points into Combat/Tech/Biotics?" No, I don't. I've tried the one field I don't care for multiple times, and found that it's not my play style at all, so those are points being wasted on things that I can't spend them on.
Better dialog paths. DA Inquisition had this same issue - I just didn't care for how it handled the dialog. The Inquisitor was the first Bio protag I had zero attachment to. To be honest, if we could have sacrificed us instead of Stroud/Hawke/Alistair/Loghain in the Fade, I'd probably have taken it. So, dialog like how they had in Origins or even ME 1 might be necessary to go back to again.
Have crewmates with things to say outside of if they're being romanced or not. This drove me absolutely nuts. Love Cora; she's like....one of the two best squaddies on the roster (Drack being the other, Vetra....a far third). But for Pete's sake....give people more to say outside of them being pursued or not!
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Post by hulluliini on Apr 12, 2022 6:38:32 GMT
Cora recreating Cerberus in Andromeda. Why would she possibly do that? Never mind that it's clear that she is not TIM's daughter, she's certainly not as intelligent, ruthless, cunning and visionary as he was. It would be a complete failure. Anything like a new Cerberus (which I would hope they wouldn't do because human dominance in Andromeda is just stupid) would have to be from the Mysterious Benefactor. She wouldn't. I was just continuing Mikefest's ridiculous list.
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Post by hulluliini on Apr 12, 2022 6:46:35 GMT
It doesn't matter. Someone's going to be pissed off no matter what. They have to make a decision. People will have to suck it up or just reject then next game entirely. As much as I understand Iakus' points, the bolded part is where it boils down to. I've thought about this myself for a long time now. Even had discussions with friends that were into the series day one, and new ones that joined with MELE. BW simply needs to look at ending statistics and add to that some other means of measuring how many fans like each ending, then do some calculus. The most popular ending wins and the rest of the fans will have to deal with it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2022 8:43:05 GMT
As much as I understand Iakus' points, the bolded part is where it boils down to. I've thought about this myself for a long time now. Even had discussions with friends that were into the series day one, and new ones that joined with MELE. BW simply needs to look at ending statistics and add to that some other means of measuring how many fans like each ending, then do some calculus. The most popular ending wins and the rest of the fans will have to deal with it. The issue with that is that there is no clear winner. With MELE, according to their stats even the most popular ending was chosen only by a minority of fans. Destroy was 45%, Synthesis 30%, Control 17%, and Refuse 8%.
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Post by hulluliini on Apr 12, 2022 9:13:17 GMT
BW simply needs to look at ending statistics and add to that some other means of measuring how many fans like each ending, then do some calculus. The most popular ending wins and the rest of the fans will have to deal with it. The issue with that is that there is no clear winner. With MELE, according to their stats even the most popular ending was chosen only by a minority of fans. Destroy was 45%, Synthesis 30%, Control 17%, and Refuse 8%. I wonder if they can differentiate between people loading a save just before making a choice, to see if another ending looks different in LE? I assume they can. But based on those stats alone, it's clear that Destroy is the one they have to choose, simply because Synthesis is such a wacky concept and it would cause a lot of problems with the writing.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 12, 2022 11:42:53 GMT
Even if they did that, it would still p*ss off a LOT of people. because while Destroy is the clear favorite, Control and Synthesis do have their fans (no, I do not understand this, but they do exist) Heck, I imagine there are even some refuse enthusiasts. So any ending they canonize will anger people. So I believe they will have to do either a hard reboot (since the soft one didn't work), or take things in an entirely different direction. It doesn't matter. Someone's going to be pissed off no matter what. They have to make a decision. People will have to suck it up or just reject then next game entirely. You're right. I still believe MEA was only made to see what the reaction be to having an ME game without Shepard and the Milky Way. Bioware/EA got their answer. The answer was even confirmed by how well the remaster did. Even the teaser, if it's to be believed, hints at Shepard returning. Or at the very least the next game being in the Milky Way. On top of that, the guy did say one more story. If the trilogy were to be remade, it would likely attract a lot of new players. Imagine what the games would look like with today's tech? How many of the current fans would buy a remake? I would. I would be curious what changes Bioware made. With all the dislikes people have about the trilogy plus all the stuff that doesn't make sense, look at this thread, it wouldn't be a bad idea to remake the trilogy.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 12, 2022 11:46:49 GMT
The issue with that is that there is no clear winner. With MELE, according to their stats even the most popular ending was chosen only by a minority of fans. Destroy was 45%, Synthesis 30%, Control 17%, and Refuse 8%. I wonder if they can differentiate between people loading a save just before making a choice, to see if another ending looks different in LE? I assume they can. But based on those stats alone, it's clear that Destroy is the one they have to choose, simply because Synthesis is such a wacky concept and it would cause a lot of problems with the writing. What I'm curious is how many new players played the remaster? Why I ask? Because of the green. How many of the new players wanted to destroy the reapers, but because they had Shepard walk too far forward, they ended up with the green ending? That's what happened to a few people when I read comments about the ending on youtube when ME3 was first released. That 30% for the green might be lower with red possibly being higher
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Post by Iakus on Apr 12, 2022 12:58:46 GMT
The issue with that is that there is no clear winner. With MELE, according to their stats even the most popular ending was chosen only by a minority of fans. Destroy was 45%, Synthesis 30%, Control 17%, and Refuse 8%. I wonder if they can differentiate between people loading a save just before making a choice, to see if another ending looks different in LE? I assume they can. But based on those stats alone, it's clear that Destroy is the one they have to choose, simply because Synthesis is such a wacky concept and it would cause a lot of problems with the writing. I also wonder if modded endings make a difference.
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Post by hulluliini on Apr 12, 2022 13:08:08 GMT
I wonder if they can differentiate between people loading a save just before making a choice, to see if another ending looks different in LE? I assume they can. But based on those stats alone, it's clear that Destroy is the one they have to choose, simply because Synthesis is such a wacky concept and it would cause a lot of problems with the writing. What I'm curious is how many new players played the remaster? Why I ask? Because of the green. How many of the new players wanted to destroy the reapers, but because they had Shepard walk too far forward, they ended up with the green ending? That's what happened to a few people when I read comments about the ending on youtube when ME3 was first released. That 30% for the green might be lower with red possibly being higher Oh yes. I remember my very first playthrough of ME3 where I didn't know I could also walk left or right, I just went forward and thought Synthesis was the only ending there is. What the starchild said was a lot to ingest for the first time.
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Post by damdil on Apr 12, 2022 13:21:53 GMT
It doesn't matter. Someone's going to be pissed off no matter what. They have to make a decision. People will have to suck it up or just reject then next game entirely. You're right. I still believe MEA was only made to see what the reaction be to having an ME game without Shepard and the Milky Way. Bioware/EA got their answer. The answer was even confirmed by how well the remaster did. Even the teaser, if it's to be believed, hints at Shepard returning. Or at the very least the next game being in the Milky Way. On top of that, the guy did say one more story. If the trilogy were to be remade, it would likely attract a lot of new players. Imagine what the games would look like with today's tech? How many of the current fans would buy a remake? I would. I would be curious what changes Bioware made. With all the dislikes people have about the trilogy plus all the stuff that doesn't make sense, look at this thread, it wouldn't be a bad idea to remake the trilogy.
Imo MEA was an attempt to make more money with an already established, originally well selling franchise. A process which is can be seen everywhere but it's very interesting in regard to Bioware. For quite a lot of people interested in video games, 2007 to 2012 was one of the golden eras of gaming and for many the MET and Dragon:Age Origins are essential parts of that era. A closer look shows us that ME1 was quite daring back in the days. A new universe, a heavily cinematic approach, a fully voiced main character and a lot of dialogue and an emphasise on the social aspects of Shep's party. Nobody could have known it would be that successful given how everyone saw for example HL2's minimalistic approach on story telling as the greatest thing ever when it originally came out.
While thankfully BW stayed true to themselves in regards to the MET and also Dragon Age:Origins, Dragon Age II can be seen as the first heavy shift towards profit optimisation. Slap the name Dragon Age on it since it sold well, put new characters and mostly new story in it so customers wouldn't feel deterred by the need to play the original game. Interestingly enough, DA:II still felt quite close to the original, especially given how it looks and plays. Inquistion and Andromeda at the end were so far away from their templates that it would have been only honest for the developers to not put the brands of Mass Effect or Dragon Age on them. Interestingly enough they tried this with Anthem, but the damage was already done at this point.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 12, 2022 13:22:33 GMT
I wonder if they can differentiate between people loading a save just before making a choice, to see if another ending looks different in LE? I assume they can. But based on those stats alone, it's clear that Destroy is the one they have to choose, simply because Synthesis is such a wacky concept and it would cause a lot of problems with the writing. I also wonder if modded endings make a difference. Poll wise, it'd probably win by a landslide.
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 12, 2022 14:01:50 GMT
If BioWare was going to scrap ME and go with another IP I would vote for them to take the Sword of Stars universe and make an RPG out of it. It's got everything Mass Effect has from a plucky humanity seeking to prove itself on a galactic stage, you have antagonists very similar to the Reapers; though without the GODMODE cheat codes and the inane 'logic' trying to justify their actions. You have your turian stand-ins, as well as your krogan, salarians and a mix of asari combined with elcor; even a synthetic race (who's ship design actually reflects the fact that they don't need room for onboard personnel).
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