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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 16, 2022 8:14:36 GMT
Is this really a surprise that most people seem to supported way more the oppressed than the oppressors. Also many also had chosed the mages over the templars in DAO and DA2. There is a difference between the games in that in DAI the mages had sided with Tevinter. Fiona had allied with a foreign power (Alexis is a Tevinter Magister) who had ousted the rightful owner of Redcliffe Caste, Arl Teagan, someone who had offered the mages sanctuary with the blessing of the monarch of Ferelden. It was a supreme act of betrayal on the part of Fiona, with no justification because there was no evidence that the monarch or Arl Teagan had rejected them after the explosion at the Conclave. They didn't need to fear the Templars because they were in the most defensible castle in all Ferelden and any attack on it would have been construed as an act of aggression against the kingdom by them. The Templars no longer had the backing of the Chantry, or Orlais for that matter (who had their own problems to deal with) for their actions. I admit that possibly a lot of people didn't get the nuance on this but it is why my Dalish hunter opted for the Templars, because as much as he hated the Chantry, he hated Tevinter more and there was a lot of weird shit going on in Redcliffe which as a non-mage he felt out of his depth to deal with. He automatically didn't trust Dorian because he was from Tevinter too. This sentiment was shared by plenty of other people within the Inquisition. Dorian later says how when he first joined the Inquisition, the blacksmith (I think it was) actually spat at him. I would also add that I was annoyed how they framed the decision if you chose to side with the mages but then conscripted them, which my Dalish mage did for exactly the same reason, that he didn't trust their leadership so preferred to have them under his direct control until the current crisis was dealt with. That did not mean he favoured locking up mages in Circles or that wanted them under the control of the Chantry. He had merely observed they had betrayed Ferelden when given support for their cause for independence and he didn't want to risk giving his trust to their leadership a second time. The game had everyone assuming you supported locking mages up, although strangely enough the Bright Hand that grew out of the conscripted mages were actually the most confident and able to stand up to Vivienne when given their independence when the Inquisition was dissolved, or downsized, so I feel my choice was vindicated.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 16, 2022 8:31:52 GMT
Does this really matter? I mean if Bioware chose Gatt evenas companion (i highly doubt it) they can find and changes things to include him. The point I was making is that the poster asked the question "if you could promote a minor character to relevance who would it be". You put forward Gatt and said he could be a contact giving quests as an example of how he could be used. I was arguing that would not be a promotion but fulfilling exactly the same role as he had in DAI, a contact for the Qun giving a quest. So, I was giving a way in which this could be linked to a promotion, as he was in Tevinter Nights. There he acted in his own right as a leader of his own group and as a contact for the Inquisition, sending the protagonists off to Kirkwall to liaise with Varric. I am not talking about the present per se but more about their past. Why would that even come up? The name would mean nothing to the new PC and I would find it odd if they brought it up. However, I suppose they might if word had got around how Hissrad had betrayed the Inquisitor as they might use that as a reason to question Gatt why they should trust him. Then, perhaps he would give something of the background of Iron Bull that led up to that event. It still wouldn't take away from the fact that he did turn on the Inquisitor when they were meant to be working with the Qun. That is still something that doesn't make sense to me. We found a letter from Par Vollen disowning the Viddasala, so if he was in our party at the time, he knew she no longer had any authority over him. As for if we had left him behind, wouldn't the leadership on Par Vollen have attempted to get a message to him saying she had gone rogue and thus he should take her down? This is why I've always felt that she was acting with complete authority from Par Vollen and they disowned her only very late on when the plot to take over the south by stealth had plainly failed. Thus, Hissrad did not know any different and had to obey her as his superior officer in the Ben-Hassrath.
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Post by ClarkKent on Sept 16, 2022 15:34:29 GMT
Michel De Chevin. The Orlesian agent you can recruit in the snowy map in DAI. Didn't we have the option of killing him? No clue but he seemed like a swell guy. Great thread btw.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 16, 2022 15:49:12 GMT
Lloyd. He stuck to his guns by charging the locals for booze instead of letting them have it for free. He can be convinced to give the booze away or be killed, but I like his stance. For that, he should get a promotion. How about to King of Fereldon? Instead becomes Mayor of Redcliffe. Velanna. She becomes an advisor to help stop Solas. Dog. Dog becomes leader of the War Dogs to sniff out the stink of Solas that spreads in Thedas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 16, 2022 19:53:12 GMT
Dog. Dog becomes leader of the War Dogs to sniff out the stink of Solas that spreads in Thedas. I miss Dog. Merrill did tell an interesting story concerning a dog chasing Fen'Harel. However, no self-respecting Mabari would be seen up in Tevinter. However, what about a Cat? The Archon is said to love cats. I think we should promote Ser Pouncelot. Anders was forced to give him away, so he could easily have jumped aboard a ship bound for Tevinter. We first encounter him again living it up at the Archon's palace.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 16, 2022 20:16:49 GMT
Dog. Dog becomes leader of the War Dogs to sniff out the stink of Solas that spreads in Thedas. I miss Dog. Merrill did tell an interesting story concerning a dog chasing Fen'Harel. However, no self-respecting Mabari would be seen up in Tevinter. However, what about a Cat? The Archon is said to love cats. I think we should promote Ser Pouncelot. Anders was forced to give him away, so he could easily have jumped aboard a ship bound for Tevinter. We first encounter him again living it up at the Archon's palace. I wouldn't mind a cat, one that roams around the base that at times shows the main character, and possibly other characters petting him/her while making comments or gestures. I would like a tiger that could be a companion like dog was in dao.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 16, 2022 20:31:01 GMT
Probably, but that scene itself could give a reason he survived. Of course you can explain this but for what cost? Players already have been mad that Bioware retcon certain things like Leliana why add another? Also i think that plays it prerry safe regarding possible deaths in DAI. In the maingame none of the main characters could be killed. Only in Trepasser they kill off Hissrad (Bull) and very likely Blackwall & Cullen offscreen. Again i want to believe that they knew much more of what they are doing in creating the series forwards. In my opinion Bioware should keep the limit of ancient elves pretty low in DAD.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 16, 2022 20:48:47 GMT
There is a difference between the games in that in DAI the mages had sided with Tevinter... I admit that possibly a lot of people didn't get the nuance on this Exactly some if not most (casual) players have long decided which of the two factions they prefer. Correction Gatt wasn´t a questgiver in DAI. Bull gives the Inquisitior the quest. Gatt was just a contact or a supporting minor character. You can ask the same question what Varric DA 2 companion references mean for the Inquisitor. Also you miss the fact that Hissrad was the reason why Gatt joined the Qun so it´s not that unlikely that Gatt kept mentioned Bull / Hissrad.
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Post by duskwanderer on Sept 17, 2022 3:14:37 GMT
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 17, 2022 4:33:29 GMT
Didn't we have the option of killing him? No clue but he seemed like a swell guy. Great thread btw. Hmm... Not read THE MASKED EMPIRE?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 17, 2022 7:49:18 GMT
Correction Gatt wasn´t a questgiver in DAI. Bull gives the Inquisitior the quest. Gatt was just a contact or a supporting minor character. I'm pretty sure Gatt was the one who actually told us what we were meant to do in that quest. Bull just told us to go to the Storm Coast but without Gatt we wouldn't have had a clue what we were meant to be doing. That is why I considered him the quest giver. You can ask the same question what Varric DA 2 companion references mean for the Inquisitor. Varric had written and published an entire book about the Champion of Kirkwall and our questions related to what he had said in his story, so the main assumption was that the Inquisitor was an avid reader. As I said, the Trespasser epilogue did suggest that the whole business with Hissrad had become something of a blot on the reputation of the Inquisitor, if they were in a relationship with Bull, or simply fanned the flames of mistrust of anyone from that race, if not, particularly if they were claiming to be Tal-Vashoth. So, in that context, the next PC might have heard of Bull up north and enquire what Gatt knew of the business once they were told he was from the Qun. Also you miss the fact that Hissrad was the reason why Gatt joined the Qun so it´s not that unlikely that Gatt kept mentioned Bull / Hissrad. As I say, if the new hero brings it up, then he might elaborate on his own connection to Bull but I doubt he would otherwise. The other possibility would be Gatt having increased doubts about remaining loyal to the Qun because of what happened with his former friend and needing to explain why he felt that way. That would be more likely to come up if he was an actual companion and I don't really want him promoted that far. I'm hoping for a largely new group of people that I haven't met before, with the possible exception of Harding and/or Calpernia.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 17, 2022 8:01:01 GMT
I would like a tiger that could be a companion like dog was in dao. A tiger or panther would be appropriate to the location up north seeing as there are jungles fringing Tevinter if not actually part of it. Seeing as the Vints originally bred the Mabari to be particularly intelligent, why would they stop at dogs? Also, the First Archon Darinius was said to have animal spies and was shown in WoT2 with a black cat at his feet and a raven (or crow) on his shoulder, so there is scope to introduce a large intelligent cat based off what we already know of Tevinter and the current Archon's family seem to be in the business of breeding hybrid animals. Whilst they are said to specialise in dracolisks, that doesn't mean the Archon's cats might not equally be a magically enhanced breed that he has developed. Instead of purely brute force martial skills like the Mabari, the cat could have stealth and agility, so more of a rogue skill set.
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 17, 2022 12:49:18 GMT
I would like a tiger that could be a companion like dog was in dao. A tiger or panther would be appropriate to the location up north seeing as there are jungles fringing Tevinter if not actually part of it. Seeing as the Vints originally bred the Mabari to be particularly intelligent, why would they stop at dogs? Also, the First Archon Darinius was said to have animal spies and was shown in WoT2 with a black cat at his feet and a raven (or crow) on his shoulder, so there is scope to introduce a large intelligent cat based off what we already know of Tevinter and the current Archon's family seem to be in the business of breeding hybrid animals. Whilst they are said to specialise in dracolisks, that doesn't mean the Archon's cats might not equally be a magically enhanced breed that he has developed. Instead of purely brute force martial skills like the Mabari, the cat could have stealth and agility, so more of a rogue skill set. So basically, a good reason to bring back the Ranger Specialization. Hopefully a little more in depth, with different animals performing different functions; cats could stealth, birds recon, bears tank, giant spiders AoE, etcetera.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Sept 17, 2022 18:05:46 GMT
I've been pushing hard for this on the forum already, but I really do want to learn more about the current leader of the Grey Wardens in Weisshaupt, the First Warden. I do expect them to bring the character in for DA4, especially when they discuss the relationship between Tevinter and the Wardens, but I'm curious to see who this First Warden really is. Magister Sidereal? The warden who killed Dumat and lived? Another unknown figure? The possibilities are endless. Thats a interesting thought but wouldn't he/she have gone to the deep roads to pass away by now? or am I missing something. Well, The First Warden has never been named once in the lore of the Dragon Age. That makes me assume the First Warden has been pulling even from the start of the first Blight.
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Post by Norstaera on Sept 17, 2022 20:00:33 GMT
I also like Bevin and Charade. They immediately came to mind. Other possibles: - the boy looking for his mother in Lothering - he could be anything - adventurer, soldier, templar, mage. He was pretty young, so his magical powers might not have manifested yet.
- The Messenger from DAA would be interesting. I don't think I ever killed him, so don't know if he died on camera or if there's a possibility he could have escaped. But he would definitely be interesting, though maybe not as a full-time companion unless there's some way to prevent him from spreading the Blight disease.
- Velanna's sister. She could even be in Kal-Sharok.
- Michel de Chevin (previously mentioned)
- Amund, a Sky Watcher of the Avvar tribes we meet in Fallow Mire
I also like Feynriel, but don't know how practical that would be. Can't believe I forgot Finn and Arianne!
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Post by adonniel on Sept 17, 2022 22:19:12 GMT
It could be someone from the younger generation such as Connor or Kieran. These kids had time to grow up. And I'm all for more hotness and sarcasm such as Captain Rylen.
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Post by warden on Sept 18, 2022 8:47:07 GMT
Nathaniel and Kilina for potential warden companions or short cameos if we ever have to deal with grey wardens matters again.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 18, 2022 12:24:03 GMT
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Post by catcher on Sept 18, 2022 19:33:07 GMT
Several quite good suggestions here. My only comment on one, Feynriel, was that he almost seemed perfectly setup for DAD since we will need a powerful Dreamer to be some sort of protection against the Dread Wolf in DAD. The problem for me, as others have already pointed out, was that he was an exceedingly quantum character with branches that put him in the Circle, dead, put him with the Dalish (if you don't start his Act 2 quest), tranquil, possessed, or in Tevinter. Just a little more complex than if you had killed Lel or not Not impossible, as I told my daughter when she asked why something in a story she was reading was a certain way, I reminded her that Rule #1 of writers is "That's the way the author needs it to be." My own, unorthodox suggestion is Scout Pelaine from Inquisition. Who is THAT, you ask? When your base is in Haven there is a set of three cabins where you first emerge after closing the Breach the first time. When you go through there, look for a red haired elf and an Inquisition Scout (has that wraparound hat and collar that seems really bad for vision and mobility, not that that is important for scouting ). Stand close to them and listen as you go through the earlyish game (there may be a recording of the convois on youtube but I haven't found it yet). The red haired elf is Charter whom you should know. Pelaine is the scout. He goes through quite an apotheosis both on racial biases and on the significance and enormity of his own job thanks to Charter. He's not a bad person in the end and Charter just seemed too easy. They could even give him a neat codename. I would suggest Sommelier because he always comes out smelling sweet.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 19, 2022 10:12:38 GMT
Bevin the Great Adventurer also a vote from me.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 19, 2022 10:23:47 GMT
I wonder who is still alive in DAD.
I liked the elve in Ostagar who lost the armor or some other minor DAO and DAA characters.
I hope for as few DAI characters as possible.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Sept 20, 2022 15:17:33 GMT
I can barely remember some of these characters people are mentioning. It has been too long since I did a proper run through DAO.
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Post by Zemgus on Sept 20, 2022 20:45:30 GMT
Briala. She has a connection to Solas via Felassan and I feel like without the Inquisition's support she won't be able to stay in power for long, so whatever the player-chosen outcome for her in DAI may be it would be believable for her to be exiled to Tevinter in DAD.
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Post by helios969 on Sept 21, 2022 6:47:27 GMT
I miss Dog. Merrill did tell an interesting story concerning a dog chasing Fen'Harel. However, no self-respecting Mabari would be seen up in Tevinter. However, what about a Cat? The Archon is said to love cats. I think we should promote Ser Pouncelot. Anders was forced to give him away, so he could easily have jumped aboard a ship bound for Tevinter. We first encounter him again living it up at the Archon's palace. I wouldn't mind a cat, one that roams around the base that at times shows the main character, and possibly other characters petting him/her while making comments or gestures. I would like a tiger that could be a companion like dog was in dao. I would love a cat. I'm a cat guy. It'd be cool if you could customize it's behavior, i.e. hisses at Qunari, has particular fondness for elves, or however.
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 21, 2022 22:15:23 GMT
I wouldn't mind a cat, one that roams around the base that at times shows the main character, and possibly other characters petting him/her while making comments or gestures. I would like a tiger that could be a companion like dog was in dao. I would love a cat. I'm a cat guy. It'd be cool if you could customize it's behavior, i.e. hisses at Qunari, has particular fondness for elves, or however. Customize the behavior...of a cat. Oh Sweet Summer Child...
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