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Post by Iddy on Sept 13, 2022 12:05:06 GMT
Other than Harding, because I know everyone will pick her. And I mean a character with a small role, not one who is already important like, say, Valta.
This is something that has happened many times in the series, to characters we'd never expect to participate actively in the story. Merrill and Isabela are obvious examples of this, as well as Charter who's showed up in several comics at this point.
Did anyone catch your attention?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 13, 2022 13:18:44 GMT
Sticking purely to characters we have encountered in the games; Charade is one who springs to mind. She gives a link to Hawke and also Sera but can also is independent enough of them that it wouldn't seem out of place for her to be up north. I think she was linked to the Red Jennies in Tantervale in the War Table mission but that doesn't mean she could not have moved on into Tevinter from there. There is also a passage in WoT2 about her that is interesting: "We find no account of Charade's birth name, a seemingly deliberate and recent absence of records. It suggests that she will be a noteworthy figure in the future, but for her new associations, not her lineage." If the Red Jennies were going to establish a cell in Tevinter, Charade would fit the bill as the leader.
I'd like to see Feynriel return but unfortunately his outcomes are sufficiently diverse that it would probably preclude him from consideration.
So many characters wouldn't really have a reason to wind up in the northern part of Thedas. The beauty of Isabella was that as a ship's captain, she could turn up pretty much anywhere with a coast. Sabrae clan suddenly upping sticks and travelling overseas to the Freemarches always seemed a bit of a stretch to me, but since they did, it allowed for Merrill or any of them to appear in another location. There are not many other minor characters that would seem right to me.
However, some of the multi-player characters from DAI had interesting back stories, so I wouldn't mind giving them greater relevance in the future. My particular favourite is Cillian, the former Dalish who spent years in the wilderness at an ancient shrine to the Arcane Warriors, learning his craft. It says that when the breach appeared he knew that after years of living alone it was "time to return to the world and dedicate the skills he had learned to fighting for the greater good of all Thedosians." We sometimes referred to him for his learning on War Table missions and if he was serious in that declaration then I assume he would vehemently oppose Solas, so he would give the perspective of an elf who revered the traditions of the elves but was grounded in the modern world.
Another interesting person from multi-player was Tamar, the former Disciple of Andraste from Haven. Her biography says she never surrendered her own beliefs but joined the Inquisition forces as an alternative to prison. Being a Reaver she is a formidable warrior and, I should imagine, opposed to Solas. With the Inquisition being either disbanded or reduced to being the Divine's private army, I would think she would have taken the opportunity to recover her freedom from the organisation and go her own way in the world. I think having her travel to Tevinter and hearing her take on everything she finds there would be interesting, particularly as she is someone who has her own take on Andraste and the Maker but doesn't follow the teachings of either Chantry.
Or going back to DAO/Witch Hunt, how about Finn and Ariane? They were apparently still together subsequently when Finn returned to his parents' home to say goodbye. After that, so far as I am aware, they weren't seen again. So, they could be practically anywhere so why not up north? If the word was going out generally to the Dalish that something was happening in Arlathan Forest and they should head that way (which seems likely from Tevinter Nights), Ariane would probably at least want to investigate and might well take Finn with her.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 13, 2022 15:57:02 GMT
Great topic i guess i can´t vote for Calpernia? Charade is a great pick by the way. I chose Danzig just kidding Bevin the Great Adventurer. A little DAO Fanservice and also showing the time that had been passed between DAO and DAD. And regardless if the warden helps him or not i don´t see that there is any reason why he couldn´t be an adventurer and show up everywhere Bioware want him to be. For DA 2 i won´t mind if Emile de Launcet or why not Jethann could be more flesh out and won´t be view as "joke" characters. And DAI? Probably Gatt especially if Bioware don´t want to use Tallis.
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Post by Liadan on Sept 13, 2022 20:59:27 GMT
Feynriel would be my first choice but he has to many possible outcomes in DA2. Another one i would choose is professor Kenric, i think it would be interesting to have a scholar for companion.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 13, 2022 21:15:33 GMT
Another one i would choose is professor Kenric, i think it would be interesting to have a scholar for companion. Sorry but i don´t see him as companion who can kill thousands of enemies. He is like Dagna or Sandal just an interessing NPC. Nothing more nothing less.
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 13, 2022 21:28:36 GMT
Myself I would go with Shianni though her screen time was limited she perked my interest when she aided the warden investigating the plague (DAO) and aided him/her when the Darkspawn invaded the alienage, could throw in her brother as well he did try to help they could both be an asset they were there during the Blight and during the course of DAII and DAI gotten stronger and bettered trained.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 14, 2022 9:13:49 GMT
Well if I'm excluding Harding and Calpernia...
Bevin of Redcliffe would be fun as our probable Lord of Fortune companion now he's of age.
And Charade the red jenny - potentially working with fellow code named character Viper - would be neat.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 14, 2022 9:43:10 GMT
Bevin of Redcliffe would be fun as our probable Lord of Fortune companion now he's of age. Why should Bevin be a Lord of Fortune not just an adventurer with a sword?
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 14, 2022 10:14:15 GMT
Bevin of Redcliffe would be fun as our probable Lord of Fortune companion now he's of age. Why should Bevin be a Lord of Fortune not just an adventurer with a sword? Because the adventuring guild suddenly turning up in a bunch of stories in Tevinter nights (with various different specialisations/skills) makes me think we'll get a LoF companion, so why not have that companion be Bevin with a sword? Sounds fun to me.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 14, 2022 10:21:19 GMT
I'd like to see Feynriel return but unfortunately his outcomes are sufficiently diverse that it would probably preclude him from consideration. Probably, but to be fair he is alive in all those outcomes, so it could be doable. Eg. We need a dreamer and Varric, our contact, is like "Well I know one but there's a problem.." A. "he's tranquil" quest proceeds to cure Feynriel of tranquility. B. "He's possessed" onward quest to hunt down the Dreamstalker and evict the demon. C. "He's in Tevinter but he's otherwise occupied" quest follows to recruit Feynriel, complicated by him being busy. Like he's doing some magic research, or investigating a ruin, or fighting in an Tevinter/qun battle. It would have to be a big enough role to be worth multiple recruitment quests (eg we need a dreamer to shield our minds or Solas will just kill us in our sleep), but probably better not to be a companion, as they have the most dialogue and would likely recquire more than one line of dialogue to have variants referencing things like whether he lived in the circle, with the dalish, and/or Tevinter aswell. Of course whilst Dreamstalker Feynriel could have learned to use his powers from Torpor, and Tevinter Feynriel from one of many schools or magisters, Tranquil Feynriel presents a training problem they'd have to write their way out of... Actually nevermind, since you'll need a spirit to touch his mind they could write it staying to teach/help him, ala Wynne and Faith. Easier than I thought. Overall it would be way easier to just create a new Dreamer character, so it probably won't happen, but if they really wanted to..
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 14, 2022 11:44:47 GMT
Overall it would be way easier to just create a new Dreamer character, so it probably won't happen, but if they really wanted to.. There are meant to be rare among the modern races but, of course, ancient elves are a different matter. Now, if we were including associated media, that would bring in Felassan. We are told he was killed in Masked Empire but that was in the Fade, so technically he should just be tranquil. Mind you, maybe it works differently if you are killed by Fen'Harel in the Fade. Still, if they wanted to bring him back, they could have him appear as a tranquil, so being consistent with the previous story, and then we carry out a ritual to cure him. Since he was prepared to oppose the orders of Fen'Harel for the sake of Briala, he might well continue to do so and as a former ally, he knows things about Solas that others do not. I'm fairly certain that at some point we are going to need the services of either a Dreamer or a powerful spirit to protect our party from Fen'Harel and block attempts for him to find out information about us through the Fade. Of course, it could be someone completely new and to be honest I'd be happy either way.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 14, 2022 11:51:12 GMT
Great topic i guess i can´t vote for Calpernia? I classed her as a major character, as she would be far more familiar to people than others we have mentioned and does play a major part in the Templar path, plus having her own short story. And DAI? Probably Gatt especially if Bioware don´t want to use Tallis. I think we are likely to see him again seeing as he featured in Tevinter Nights. A lot depends on what they intend doing with the Qunari plot and what the allegiance is of the qunari lady who features in much of the concept art. If she is our Qunari contact, then we are unlikely to see much of Gatt but if she is a Vashoth or Tal-Vashoth, then he might feature as well.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 14, 2022 21:53:29 GMT
Because the adventuring guild suddenly turning up in a bunch of stories in Tevinter nights (with various different specialisations/skills) makes me think we'll get a LoF companion, so why not have that companion be Bevin with a sword? Sounds fun to me. I could see the appeal but also not linking Bevin with Lords of Fortunes. A loner aka guy with sword could also be interessing. Not every NPC has to be member of something. I classed her as a major character, as she would be far more familiar to people than others we have mentioned and does play a major part in the Templar path, plus having her own short story. Can Calpernia really be labeled as major character if her is optional and most players won´t even see? Gatt can still be used as for example questgiver so i personal won´t rule him out that much. The important plus for him he is no quantum character and that he make sense for the DAD setting. Also as a bonus Bioware could use Gatt to tell more about Bull without using him.
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Post by helios969 on Sept 15, 2022 5:58:49 GMT
Abelas would be a good candidate...we can just say in the event that Morrigan kills him that some link to Mythal or by her grace he survives. His ancient knowledge would be useful for contextual purposes; fulfilling the role of the mentor or wise archetypes. He would be Solas's opposite; but filling much the same role. Maybe his tie to Mythal would make him aware of Solas taking possession of her and he wants revenge. Just spitballing here.
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Post by Fredward on Sept 15, 2022 6:24:01 GMT
Bianca Davri. Partially because everybody hates her and I find it amusing but also because I find the idea of an arrogant, dangerously curious inventor interesting. Plus, if they finally kill Varric (I have nothing against Varric but I feel like three games with potentially major screen time is pushing it) she should be there, possibly finally choosing him and dying Bonny/Clyde style.
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Post by ClarkKent on Sept 15, 2022 12:07:26 GMT
Michel De Chevin. The Orlesian agent you can recruit in the snowy map in DAI.
Should have really been a companion in DAI
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 15, 2022 12:27:04 GMT
Can Calpernia really be labeled as major character if her is optional and most players won´t even see? Not sure what you mean by "most players". Are there figures saying that most people went with the mage path? Obviously, casual players who just did one play through and left it at that won't be familiar with her if they took the mage path. However, because there were two distinct paths, more dedicated players would probably do at least one run on the alternative path to their preferred one and, let's face it, any returning major or minor character is only going to mean something to this latter group of players. Also, Calpernia does appear in the trailers to DAI, which I'm pretty sure that Samson doesn't, so if nothing else people are going to wonder who that character was that they never got to meet yet was considered important enough to be showcased in the trailer. I also wonder how many people actually fought Calpernia if they had the option not to or ignored the sub-quest that would allow this? Part of the reason why I wouldn't be surprised to see her again is that if you take out the instances where people never even met her, so she survives, and the instances were people let her go in peace, so she survives, the number of times she actually jumps off the cliff are probably quite small and, besides, there is never any trace of her body, so it is likely she survived even that path. That suggests to me someone that the writers at least considered a major character that they might want to bring back in a significant way. Gatt can still be used as for example questgiver so i personal won´t rule him out that much. The important plus for him he is no quantum character and that he make sense for the DAD setting. Also as a bonus Bioware could use Gatt to tell more about Bull without using him. I don't deny he could be used as a quest giver but I don't class as giving him greater relevance than he already had in the previous game. He was our contact there who gave us our task, so what's changed? In Tevinter Nights he does seem to have been promoted from simply an agent in the field to controlling a specific group, namely those charged with protecting the Darvaarad, in addition to being their contact with the Inquisition. Since Solas' agent succeeded in destroying the mobile Darvaarad in that story, he might have been demoted as a result but, if not, then that could be the reason we are sent to make contact with him, because he knows the location of the Qun's magical research facility and we need either knowledge or items from it. Why would he know about Bull? Either he ended up dead or he is officially Tal-Vashoth and persona non gratia with the Qun. As such, Gatt would have better things to do with his time than follow his progress since leaving the Qun. In view of Gatt's personal link to Bull, I'm pretty sure the Qun would have assigned someone else to keeping watch on Bull if they wished to do so, so their judgement would not be compromised by their former loyalty to him.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 15, 2022 12:28:12 GMT
Michel De Chevin. The Orlesian agent you can recruit in the snowy map in DAI. Didn't we have the option of killing him?
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 15, 2022 15:01:30 GMT
Michel De Chevin. The Orlesian agent you can recruit in the snowy map in DAI. Didn't we have the option of killing him? Leliana could also be killed in DAO. That didn't stop her and she was a companion.
Is Sandal available? We find out he's not what he seems - and no, I'm not talking about him being the Maker. Maybe he's more mentally competent than we know. He'd also be in high demand in Tevinter. Might explain his absence in DAI. The only drawback is that his race and gender would be locked.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Sept 15, 2022 19:49:20 GMT
I've been pushing hard for this on the forum already, but I really do want to learn more about the current leader of the Grey Wardens in Weisshaupt, the First Warden.
I do expect them to bring the character in for DA4, especially when they discuss the relationship between Tevinter and the Wardens, but I'm curious to see who this First Warden really is. Magister Sidereal? The warden who killed Dumat and lived? Another unknown figure?
The possibilities are endless.
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 15, 2022 21:07:02 GMT
I've been pushing hard for this on the forum already, but I really do want to learn more about the current leader of the Grey Wardens in Weisshaupt, the First Warden. I do expect them to bring the character in for DA4, especially when they discuss the relationship between Tevinter and the Wardens, but I'm curious to see who this First Warden really is. Magister Sidereal? The warden who killed Dumat and lived? Another unknown figure? The possibilities are endless. Thats a interesting thought but wouldn't he/she have gone to the deep roads to pass away by now? or am I missing something.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 15, 2022 21:23:14 GMT
Well Sandal. Main reason I like that goofball. Also I had a fanfic in mind that in involves HoF and Orlesian Warden meet up and encountering him and Sandal in his unique way helps them both on their respective missions and thus saving Thedas. Also it is not an complete idea but I will make room for Inquistor and Hawke.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 15, 2022 21:48:53 GMT
Are there figures saying that most people went with the mage path? Is this really a surprise that most people seem to supported way more the oppressed than the oppressors. Also many also had chosed the mages over the templars in DAO and DA2. Or watched it on Youtube because DAI is too much time consuming and even some fans have only time to play it once because of family, job or other stuff. I think it´s out of question if Calpernia survived DAI or not. There are plenty enough evidences that survived the combat encounter with the Inquisitior. Does this really matter? I mean if Bioware chose Gatt evenas companion (i highly doubt it) they can find and changes things to include him. My point is that we can´t rule out non quantum character or if Merrill of all DAO characters can be a DA 2 companion almost everything is possible. I am not talking about the present per se but more about their past. But i agree that Gatt and Bull won´t interact with another if Bull is Tal-Vashoth.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 15, 2022 22:10:29 GMT
Leliana could also be killed in DAO. That didn't stop her and she was a companion.
This was in DAO. A game where Bioware clearly have no intentions to think about future games. Like Mass Effect 1 Bioware won´t sure if DAO would be successful or an unfortunately one & done game like Jade Empire.
Therefore i think that Bioware won´t resurrect optional killable NPC anymore. But there are exceptions of course if those NPCs clearly aren´t dead like the aforementioned Calpernia or someone like Sten whose survival from the Darkspawn could be explained. Maybe its a bit naive but i want to believe that Bioware have more well thought plans for the future games than at DAO. And don´t forget a really surprising number of players hated the fact that Leliana survived DAO (or not aka Lyrium ghost) so imagine that Bioware won´t repeat this.
Last but not least even as an ancient elf it would be pretty difficult to survive his stabbing.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 16, 2022 1:26:21 GMT
Last but not least even as an ancient elf it would be pretty difficult to survive his stabbing. Probably, but that scene itself could give a reason he survived. Though I would love to see one of them made into the MC. Might even be a good fit when it comes to Dreadwolf.
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