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Post by daelonduluc on Jun 28, 2017 19:01:49 GMT
Alistair. Every DAO playthrough makes me feel like I'm babysitting a manchild. And the letters he sends the Inq as king are just 100% cringe. That's what I like about him. He's either a younger brother (even though I'm obviously younger) or a young love. I kind of like that.
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Post by daelonduluc on Jun 28, 2017 19:13:09 GMT
For Ferelden Loghain sold the Ferelden elves. For Ferelden Loghain hunted the Ferelden Wardens. For Ferelden Loghin supported the corruption (Howe for example). (I not mention the "tactical retreat".) True, Anders was not a "Legendary Hero", nor a regent, just a mage, but in my story he was one of the heroes of Amaranthine, and he was a hero of refugees in his clinic (I know, to heal people not so heroic thing, than to kill people...), and hero of many mages in Kirkwall (before the explosion as well). This was what he was able to do it in his position. His cause was right, as you think, Loghain's cause as well, his tool was questionable, as Loghain's tools as well... or no. Loghain's tools was worse. Interesting, that you able to accept Loghain's tools, but refuse Anders' tool. Loghain had political power for the change or whatever, and he abused with that. THIS was his greatest sin. (You sure, that only Anders was alone, who ignited the war? This was a thousand-years oppression, I think so much people wanted this revolution...) Sure, there is no excuse for bombing the chantry but up to that moment Anders was indeed a true hero. I salute him! No excuse? It was the Chantry for goodness sake. They should have been bombed millenia ago. Completely eliminated. Evil, evil institution.
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Post by daelonduluc on Jun 28, 2017 19:15:43 GMT
Morrigan. Just a couple of hours in her company, and I hope that there is a subplot involving her death. When you are saying something negative on her,there is always someone that try to point out how you're wrong or have been miscalculating her " complexity" There is no miscalculation,her wanting to kill everything and everyone in DAO that she saw as inferior (Dalish elves,city elves,mages,enslaving the Dwarves and even try to save that monster of Urthemiel by using a child as a tool) make me despise her character like no one else in video game history. I hate to say this, but all your reasons are exactly why I DO like Morrigan. She's a lot like me.
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Post by daelonduluc on Jun 28, 2017 19:19:21 GMT
I love Alistair because, no matter what I've been doing, he believes I can set things right. That belief is powerful and humbling. I also find him super adorable. he believes in true love, and this can get him killed. I love Zevran because he's funny. He hides his depth with sexual innuendo. The fact that you find him flip flopping between suicidal and not seems lost on most. Some of his more caring dialogue seems to only come out when you are mean to him. Like, breaking up with him, he is very sad and admits to having been in love with you, sometimes to the point that he can't dare remain with the party. Then, if you kill the elves, his speech about that is also very telling of a man that doesn't just kill to kill with no thought except for the job. I think Leliana is mostly creepy and despite not being noble, has some confusion about her priveledged life. She sings a good song, and she means well. She's not all around bad, but I hve to give her the dislike vote. Oghren's only redeeming quality is his speech at the final battle which is downright heartwarming. But he doesn't pretend to be anything but what he is; a disgraced drunk. Honesty isn't pretty sometimes haha Sten won me over the moment he said that he would find his own redemption. Increased with his cookie silliness. And I respect what he tries to do at Haven by taking over the group, and when he fails, he fights your leadership no more. Dog is dog. Gotta love his tongue baths. Loghain is complex, but mostly his greatest moment, for me, is in his death. Does that mean I love him? Morrigan is, again, a complex character. Most of the games I've played thus far have kept her at camp, and I was agreeing with her a lot for points, and so her affection and calling me sister was touching and won me over. Then I learned to RP better on the next PT. and some of the stuff she says, expects, is frustrating. The end of that PT came with the cherry of her telling me to not let Loghain do the US, because then he'd get the glory....which was so far off from my Warden's wants and direction in life, I looked at her as if she were a stranger. What happened to my sister that didn't want me to die? And this was full affection points, so it must have been decided by dialogue post flemeth killing, how she would relate to the Warden later. I'm getting tired of Wynne after 4 PTs of her being miss Grandma Opinion. I especially butted heads with her as a mage, as she projected all here desires of improving the Circle onto my Warden. But overall, she is not a bad person, I'm just weary of her. You're a nice person that likes people and people like you, aren't you? I respect that. Me, on the other hand, am loathed by most and feared by many. Maybe that's why I am drawn toward the complex characters with more cynical and pragmatic attitudes toward the world. I'm not an idealist and firmly believe that most people are piles of doo-doo not worth my time. That being said, I do love Alistair. He's the ultimate boyscout. Yes, I find his idealism and moral high-ground grating and annoying, but ya gotta love the guy.
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Post by phoray on Jun 28, 2017 19:42:43 GMT
You're a nice person that likes people and people like you, aren't you? I respect that. Me, on the other hand, am loathed by most and feared by many. Maybe that's why I am drawn toward the complex characters with more cynical and pragmatic attitudes toward the world. I'm not an idealist and firmly believe that most people are piles of doo-doo not worth my time. That being said, I do love Alistair. He's the ultimate boyscout. Yes, I find his idealism and moral high-ground grating and annoying, but ya gotta love the guy. Actually, no. I have constant problems with people. I refuse to be anyone but myself, and i am an abrupt raw opinionated ineloquent person. I have exactly two friends and choose not to speak to most of my family. But these are characters in a video game. Anything not on the surface, I can fill in the gaps with what I like. Take the group's bickering- if I actually was physically in the game, I'd tell some of these people the STFU about stuff. Or even, IRL, their behavior may apply to everything. Like, Morrigan probably doesn't share meals. She has her own fire. I'd be offended by that crap in real life. High five on the Alistair love though
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Post by daelonduluc on Jun 28, 2017 19:59:03 GMT
You're a nice person that likes people and people like you, aren't you? I respect that. Me, on the other hand, am loathed by most and feared by many. Maybe that's why I am drawn toward the complex characters with more cynical and pragmatic attitudes toward the world. I'm not an idealist and firmly believe that most people are piles of doo-doo not worth my time. That being said, I do love Alistair. He's the ultimate boyscout. Yes, I find his idealism and moral high-ground grating and annoying, but ya gotta love the guy. Actually, no. I have constant problems with people. I refuse to be anyone but myself, and i am an abrupt raw opinionated ineloquent person. I have exactly two friends and choose not to speak to most of my family. But these are characters in a video game. Anything not on the surface, I can fill in the gaps with what I like. Take the group's bickering- if I actually was physically in the game, I'd tell some of these people the STFU about stuff. Or even, IRL, their behavior may apply to everything. Like, Morrigan probably doesn't share meals. She has her own fire. I'd be offended by that crap in real life. High five on the Alistair love though Interesting. I'm much the same, but I am drawn to characters like Morrigan and absolutely understand where she's coming from. But I've always had the problem of my characters being me and I being my characters. I cannot separate myself from them. That holds true for the characters in my books and my characters on acting jobs. They are me, just with another name. I don't become someone else. That being said though, I find that I am really rather tolerant when it comes to just about anything the companions say or do EXCEPT play the religion card (I loathe the Chantry with every fibre of my being) so I sometimes have issues with Liliana and I can't stand a liar or a coward (thus my loathing of Loghain). Interesting.
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Post by congokong on Jun 28, 2017 20:41:09 GMT
Sten, although Loghain isn't far behind, but that's more because of what Loghain did rather than what he does as a companion. Sten, however, is just a tight-lipped, overly literal idiot. He has a very limited view of how the world works that is validated through circular reasoning. My dislike for him is only exasperated by his looking down on those who don't follow his unshakable perspective.
His backstory makes it worse because this monster actually strangled eight people (including children) who saved his life to death over a lost sword?! Strangling eight people takes some time... certainly enough to come to your senses. I don't care how important the sword was to you. People wouldn't defend a father going on a killing spree because they lost their child, right? Someone who does that has serious mental issues, the type who kill their wife in a brief fury but immediately are overcome with regret afterward, and should rot in his cage.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 29, 2017 16:25:06 GMT
Sten, although Loghain isn't far behind, but that's more because of what Loghain did rather than what he does as a companion. Sten, however, is just a tight-lipped, overly literal idiot. He has a very limited view of how the world works that is validated through circular reasoning. My dislike for him is only exasperated by his looking down on those who don't follow his unshakable perspective. His backstory makes it worse because this monster actually strangled eight people (including children) who saved his life to death over a lost sword?! Strangling eight people takes some time... certainly enough to come to your senses. I don't care how important the sword was to you. People wouldn't defend a father going on a killing spree because they lost their child, right? Someone who does that has serious mental issues, the type who kill their wife in a brief fury but immediately are overcome with regret afterward, and should rot in his cage. Sorry, but if we speak about a monster, the Loghain is the bigger one. He's a politician. A ruler at the moment. As you said: Sten probably narrow-minded, and killed a family because of uncontrollable rage – panic (not the sword), but seems he really regretted, and I don't think, he will do the same thing again. To spare him, and let him fight for his redemption, is the right thing, just as let Loghain fight for his own redemption. As a companion, I think, both are fine.
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Post by Mark7 on Jun 30, 2017 0:47:19 GMT
Sorry, but if we speak about a monster, the Loghain is the bigger one. He's a politician. A ruler at the moment. Here we go again,same old story, with you attempting to make your personal opinions as facts.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 30, 2017 0:52:33 GMT
Sorry, but if we speak about a monster, the Loghain is the bigger one. He's a politician. A ruler at the moment. Here we go again,same old story, with you attempting to make your personal opinions as facts. Okay, let's be objective: Sten or Loghain killed more people/caused more harm?
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Post by Mark7 on Jun 30, 2017 0:56:02 GMT
If you want to be objective then you should talk about objective things like math,not about people. You can't prove anything when talking of comparisions by using people.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 30, 2017 1:04:20 GMT
If you want to be objective then you should talk about objective things like math,not about people. You can't prove anything when talking of comparisions by using people. Okay, people don't matter. So: this two both are innocents.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 30, 2017 1:06:20 GMT
Seems like Morrigan is the most and the least loved character in the game
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Post by Mark7 on Jun 30, 2017 1:09:23 GMT
If you want to be objective then you should talk about objective things like math,not about people. You can't prove anything when talking of comparisions by using people. Okay, people don't matter. So: this two both are innocents. Thanks for having proved my point due to lack of arguments.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jun 30, 2017 1:13:34 GMT
Seems like Morrigan is the most and the least loved character in the game Morrigan isn't the most loved,at least not according to the pool I've seen in reddit,in this forum as well as the old official forum ,but I doubt majority of players even care to vote. It were always Zevran,Solas,Alistair,Cullen ecc..pretty much the romances for female to be on top.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 30, 2017 20:05:56 GMT
Seems like Morrigan is the most and the least loved character in the game Morrigan isn't the most loved,at least not according to the pool I've seen in reddit,in this forum as well as the old official forum ,but I doubt majority of players even care to vote. It were always Zevran,Solas,Alistair,Cullen ecc..pretty much the romances for female to be on top. Morrigan is the most popular character if you include non-hard casual players
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Post by tacsear on Jun 30, 2017 20:08:34 GMT
I'm surprised that Sten is one of the tops,it's kinda hard to "hate" a machine. Morrigan deserve to be on the top,the day she will realize to not mess with DA protagonists (Marquis,HoF,Inquisitor) and to not randomly hate people which she doesn't even know is the day she will be spared a lot of troubles. Sten has pretty funny dialogues and a personality behind the Qunari
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jul 1, 2017 17:10:13 GMT
Morrigan isn't the most loved,at least not according to the pool I've seen in reddit,in this forum as well as the old official forum ,but I doubt majority of players even care to vote. It were always Zevran,Solas,Alistair,Cullen ecc..pretty much the romances for female to be on top. Morrigan is the most popular character if you include non-hard casual players What does it mean the word "non-hard casual players"? You mean the average DA player who for sure isn't invested enough to have an account on a forum? Majority of that people didn't even played DAO but started from DAI and most likely didn't even finished the game,so they don't even know Morrigan from Origins and in DAI she is irrelevant with the BioWare world-state which is set as the default option in their keep. There is no data whatsoever in regard of those players other than general statistics made for all gamers which says that they don't even finish games.
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Post by Prince on Jul 1, 2017 17:25:19 GMT
I'm surprised that Sten is one of the tops,it's kinda hard to "hate" a machine. Morrigan deserve to be on the top,the day she will realize to not mess with DA protagonists (Marquis,HoF,Inquisitor) and to not randomly hate people which she doesn't even know is the day she will be spared a lot of troubles. Sten has pretty funny dialogues and a personality behind the Qunari I didn't found Sten to be funny,his main personality is the opposite of that,the only reason why I don't dislike him is exactly because he doesn't always try to be sarcastic like the majority of the cast in DAO.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 1, 2017 17:42:25 GMT
Morrigan is the most popular character if you include non-hard casual players What does it mean the word "non-hard casual players"? You mean the average DA player who for sure isn't invested enough to have an account on a forum? Majority of that people didn't even played DAO but started from DAI and most likely didn't even finished the game,so they don't even know Morrigan from Origins and in DAI she is irrelevant with the BioWare world-state which is set as the default option in their keep. There is no data whatsoever in regard of those players other than general statistics made for all gamers which says that they don't even finish games. Yes I meant that, it was a poor execution of words Actually many casual players only played origins and stopped playing after they didn't like DA2
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Post by tacsear on Jul 1, 2017 17:58:55 GMT
Sten has pretty funny dialogues and a personality behind the Qunari I didn't found Sten to be funny,his main personality is the opposite of that,the only reason why I don't dislike him is exactly because he doesn't always try to be sarcastic like the majority of the cast in DAO. He isn't sarcastic funny. He just said the right words at the right time. For example: S:The Archdemon, how will you kill it? W:I thought we would kindly ask the darkspawn to leave S: If you wish to stop the Blight with wit, you may wish to arm yourself first Like that
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Post by Catilina on Jul 1, 2017 18:17:39 GMT
Sten has pretty funny dialogues and a personality behind the Qunari I didn't found Sten to be funny,his main personality is the opposite of that,the only reason why I don't dislike him is exactly because he doesn't always try to be sarcastic like the majority of the cast in DAO. Sten is VERY funny and good character in many aspects.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jul 2, 2017 7:51:06 GMT
Yes I meant that, it was a poor execution of words Actually many casual players only played origins and stopped playing after they didn't like DA2 That doesn't match up with the statistic revealed by EA in which they said that DAI sold more than DAO.I doubt all those players even know DAO.So actually I would say is the reverse, majority of casual players are totally uncaring about Morrigan or DAO in general since they begun from DAI.
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Post by Mark7 on Jul 2, 2017 10:17:42 GMT
Majority of that people didn't even played DAO but started from DAI and most likely didn't even finished the game,so they don't even know Morrigan from Origins I just want to know why Mr.fired Gaider insisted so much on this character,to the point where he gave her such ludicrous plot armor (which is especially evident in Redclieffe,WH and DAI) only to make her related with optional contents thus completely irrelevant for world-states like mine or the default of Bioware. For god sake I'm glad he was fired I don't like when a writer directly interfere to save their pet for 3 times without any credible in game explanation.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 24, 2017 23:00:40 GMT
I wouldn't say I dislike Morrigan as such and I do appreciate what she brings to the game, but her "evil for evil's sake" attitude can get somewhat annoying. She's not as clever as she thinks she is. I found Wynne more useful in combat too.
That said, I liked Morrigan a lot more in Inquisition. She seems to have grown up quite a bit.
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