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Post by shechinah on Jan 23, 2017 18:27:57 GMT
I had a huge problem with Leliana leaving my Warden for her service with the Divine. I just could not fathom that she would sacrifice her love to the Warden after all they've been through. Call me naive, but I really had to work myself into accepting the situation in DAI regarding Leli and my Warden. And I still don't accept it fully, I guess. I think it is important to note that this was not Leliana temporarily leaving the Warden for just any Divine but for Divine Justinia, someone who is incredible important to Leliana because of what she did for her when she was still Revered Mother Dorothea. She helped Leliana in the darkest time of her life such as by helping her escape from prison and turning her life around. Without her, Leliana wouldn't even have met the Warden. Even if Leliana felt it was a difficult thing to do, I can easily see her coming out of retirement and stepping away from the Warden for some time to keep Divine Justinia safe because of the growing tensions and later during the mage rebellions.
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Post by xerrai on Jan 23, 2017 18:32:32 GMT
Curious, but why is that line about beating siege weapons with siege weapons bad? Yeah I was bit confused on that too. He basically had me with the 'grappling team' during the final confrontation, then lost me when he talked about the siege machines and Solas.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Jan 23, 2017 18:34:14 GMT
I had a huge problem with Leliana leaving my Warden for her service with the Divine. I just could not fathom that she would sacrifice her love to the Warden after all they've been through. Call me naive, but I really had to work myself into accepting the situation in DAI regarding Leli and my Warden. And I still don't accept it fully, I guess. I think it is important to note that this was not Leliana temporarily leaving the Warden for just any Divine but for Divine Justinia, someone who is incredible important to Leliana because of what she did for her when she was still Revered Mother Dorothea. She helped Leliana in the darkest time of her life such as by helping her escape from prison and turning her life around. Without her, Leliana wouldn't even have met the Warden. Even if Leliana felt it was a difficult think to do, I can easily see her coming out of retirement and stepping away from the Warden for some time to keep Divine Justinia safe because of the growing tensions and later during the mage rebellions.
The rational me agrees with you completely. The not-so-rational, emotional me shakes her head fervently
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Post by Lazarillo on Jan 23, 2017 18:50:04 GMT
The rational me agrees with you completely. The not-so-rational, emotional me shakes her head fervently I can justify their separation in that they remain close at heart, like siblings who live in different cities. Or, for that matter, like Leliana and Justinia/Dorothea herself were, despite also being "more than just friends" during the time of Origins. The part that's harder for me to justify is the whole bit in Dragon Age 2 where she's all "I am convinced s/he disappeared for utterly mysterious reasons that must be related to Hawke's mysterious disappearance as well! Not only can s/he not lead the Inquisition, but there's clearly a conspiracy afoot!" but then in Inquisition it turns out Hawke didn't mysteriously disappear, and if romanced, Leliana is just "yeah, I've known what s/he's up to all along, and I can even send a message". How do people headcanon that one?
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Post by bear on Jan 23, 2017 19:01:57 GMT
Curious, but why is that line about beating siege weapons with siege weapons bad? Because the only siege weapon in Haven, is a trebuchet. An effective counter-siege, or battlefield artillery weapon would be a ballista or Roman scorpio, or even a catapult. A trebuchet is meant for long-range, tearing down of stone walls. It's not an anti-personnel weapon. You wouldn't need a trebuchet against a wooden perimeter like the one in Haven, either. A simple battering ram would do the trick...or fire. And aside from an unseen, but probable, battering ram that's about the extent of siege weapons Cory brought with him. Consider how long it takes to arm a trebuchet, not just in game but IRL too, and how fast Cory's army's approaching Haven's defenses, and it's just.... non-credible.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 23, 2017 19:17:03 GMT
The rational me agrees with you completely. The not-so-rational, emotional me shakes her head fervently I can justify their separation in that they remain close at heart, like siblings who live in different cities. Or, for that matter, like Leliana and Justinia/Dorothea herself were, despite also being "more than just friends" during the time of Origins. The part that's harder for me to justify is the whole bit in Dragon Age 2 where she's all "I am convinced s/he disappeared for utterly mysterious reasons that must be related to Hawke's mysterious disappearance as well! Not only can s/he not lead the Inquisition, but there's clearly a conspiracy afoot!" but then in Inquisition it turns out Hawke didn't mysteriously disappear, and if romanced, Leliana is just "yeah, I've known what s/he's up to all along, and I can even send a message". How do people headcanon that one? Well, I did not romance Leliana but here is how I headcanoned the discrepencies:
After Awakening, Warden Mahariel deserted from the Grey Wardens because of the mental toll all of the preceeding events had taken. It was kept quiet after it had been discovered by the Grey Wardens because she was a prominent and beloved war hero and they didn't want to have to hunt her down for execution for her desertion or force her back into service knowing what it'd lead to.
Leliana did not know this in Dragon Age 2 and thought Mahariel had disappeared under suspecious circumstances. Sometime afterwards, Leliana discovered what had happened.
In Inqusition, she tried to hide her friend's desertion because she didn't want her reputation sullied. The letter the Inquisitor recieves is a forgery by Leliana so that her friend can be left alone. Alternatively, the letter is a forgery by the Grey Wardens and Leliana knows this. Mahariel is not attempting to cure the Blight but is trying to live out the rest of her shortened life in relative peace in Antiva. Leliana and the Grey Wardens claim that she is because it is a task that excuses her indefinite absence. I also like to headcanon that Merill wasn't mistaken when she thought she saw Mahariel in Kirkwall: Mahariel was taking ship but did not see Merill.
Basically, Leliana was doing for the Warden what Varric was doing for Hawke.
Note: the letter being a forgery also explains some of the bits such as why Mahariel refers to it as "world of the shemlen" which made no sense for her to do for various reasons. One such reason is that she would not use the word shem or shemlen after Origins. It would be like her using flat-ear. Just no.
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Post by phoray on Jan 23, 2017 19:22:52 GMT
The rational me agrees with you completely. The not-so-rational, emotional me shakes her head fervently I can justify their separation in that they remain close at heart, like siblings who live in different cities. Or, for that matter, like Leliana and Justinia/Dorothea herself were, despite also being "more than just friends" during the time of Origins. The part that's harder for me to justify is the whole bit in Dragon Age 2 where she's all "I am convinced s/he disappeared for utterly mysterious reasons that must be related to Hawke's mysterious disappearance as well! Not only can s/he not lead the Inquisition, but there's clearly a conspiracy afoot!" but then in Inquisition it turns out Hawke didn't mysteriously disappear, and if romanced, Leliana is just "yeah, I've known what s/he's up to all along, and I can even send a message". How do people headcanon that one? I ignore it enirely. It is a story thread that was cancelled. Therefore, the story in Inquisition is a the trueone to rectify that.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 23, 2017 20:48:34 GMT
I can justify their separation in that they remain close at heart, like siblings who live in different cities. Or, for that matter, like Leliana and Justinia/Dorothea herself were, despite also being "more than just friends" during the time of Origins. The part that's harder for me to justify is the whole bit in Dragon Age 2 where she's all "I am convinced s/he disappeared for utterly mysterious reasons that must be related to Hawke's mysterious disappearance as well! Not only can s/he not lead the Inquisition, but there's clearly a conspiracy afoot!" but then in Inquisition it turns out Hawke didn't mysteriously disappear, and if romanced, Leliana is just "yeah, I've known what s/he's up to all along, and I can even send a message". How do people headcanon that one? Well, I did not romance Leliana but here is how I headcanoned the discrepencies:
After Awakening, Warden Mahariel deserted from the Grey Wardens because of the mental toll all of the preceeding events had taken. It was kept quiet after it had been discovered by the Grey Wardens because she was a prominent and beloved war hero and they didn't want to have to hunt her down for execution for her desertion or force her back into service knowing what it'd lead to.
Leliana did not know this in Dragon Age 2 and thought Mahariel had disappeared under suspecious circumstances. Sometime afterwards, Leliana discovered what had happened.
In Inqusition, she tried to hide her friend's desertion because she didn't want her reputation sullied. The letter the Inquisitor recieves is a forgery by Leliana so that her friend can be left alone. Alternatively, the letter is a forgery by the Grey Wardens and Leliana knows this. Mahariel is not attempting to cure the Blight but is trying to live out the rest of her shortened life in relative peace in Antiva. Leliana and the Grey Wardens claim that she is because it is a task that excuses her indefinite absence. I also like to headcanon that Merill wasn't mistaken when she thought she saw Mahariel in Kirkwall: Mahariel was taking ship but did not see Merill.
Basically, Leliana was doing for the Warden what Varric was doing for Hawke.
Note: the letter being a forgery also explains some of the bits such as why Mahariel refers to it as "world of the shemlen" which made no sense for her to do for various reasons. One such reason is that she would not use the word shem or shemlen after Origins. It would be like her using flat-ear. Just no.
Shemlen is simply the elven word for human. It's not the same as the derogatory term shem, so it doesn't mean anything negative. The Dalish usually use elven terms (like Beyond instead of Fade).
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jan 24, 2017 1:12:22 GMT
I didn't see anything wrong with Cullen being commander of the military forces. He was second in command to Meredith after all and the Gallows comprised a very large force of Templars, which is a military unit. By contrast, so far as I can tell, Seekers tend to work on their own or in small groups because essentially they were meant to be the overseers of the Templar order. Cassandra was Right Hand of the Divine but I'm not clear how many personnel that put her in charge of. As for Michel de Chevin, he had no actual experience of commanding a group of soldiers having spent much of his life since becoming a fully fledged Chevalier as Celene's personal bodyguard. I think Cullen gets it about right when he recommends that we use Michel to train recruits, which would make sense seeing as he is familiar with Chevalier training methods. the entire military setup is contrived in the ending of that game thanks to Cullen. You and your party are back in Skyhold but somehow the whole damn army is still trudging back from the Arbor Wilds. If I have to go alone vs Cory in the end, that means Cullen left NO RESERVES in the castle, which means Cullen is an idiot.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 24, 2017 1:13:05 GMT
Not a personal headcanon for me, but I'm surprised I don't see more people dismissing the two Wardens = no babies thing. I see soooo many headcanons/fanart/fanfic featuring Alistair and a female Warden having a bunch of little children underfoot despite the fertility issues.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jan 24, 2017 1:21:33 GMT
headcanons/fanart/fanfic featuring Alistair and a female Warden having a bunch of little children underfoot despite the fertility issues. As Professor Dawkins would say:These people are deluded.
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Post by xerrai on Jan 24, 2017 2:10:56 GMT
Not a personal headcanon for me, but I'm surprised I don't see more people dismissing the two Wardens = no babies thing. I see soooo many headcanons/fanart/fanfic featuring Alistair and a female Warden having a bunch of little children underfoot despite the fertility issues. It was to my understanding that, while technically possible, the probability for any warden successfully conceiving a child is abysmally low. A probability that is upped several times over if both of the parents are wardens. So, really really really really (insert really x10 here) low chance, but still technically possible. So small it might as well be nonexistent. But so long as they do not insist that its canon or anything, I really see no problem with them exploring the idea in fan works.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 24, 2017 2:15:55 GMT
Not a personal headcanon for me, but I'm surprised I don't see more people dismissing the two Wardens = no babies thing. I see soooo many headcanons/fanart/fanfic featuring Alistair and a female Warden having a bunch of little children underfoot despite the fertility issues. It was to my understanding that, while technically possible, the probability for any warden successfully conceiving a child is abysmally low. A probability that is upped several times over if both of the parents are wardens. So, really really really really (insert really x10 here) low chance, but still technically possible. So small it might as well be nonexistent. But so long as they do not insist that its canon or anything, I really see no problem with them exploring the idea in fan works. Naw, I mean I don't care what people do, I'm just surprised it hasn't been mentioned in this thread given how prevalent it is.
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Post by xerrai on Jan 24, 2017 2:25:45 GMT
It was to my understanding that, while technically possible, the probability for any warden successfully conceiving a child is abysmally low. A probability that is upped several times over if both of the parents are wardens. So, really really really really (insert really x10 here) low chance, but still technically possible. So small it might as well be nonexistent. But so long as they do not insist that its canon or anything, I really see no problem with them exploring the idea in fan works. Naw, I mean I don't care what people do, I'm just surprised it hasn't been mentioned in this thread given how prevalent it is. Perhaps its because some people still believe banging a guy with dragon blood=blight cure. A remnant from when people were still trying to how Fiona got cured. In which case it bridges the line between headcanon and legitimate game theory. (And what does Alistair's "Kingly Sword" pulse with?)
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Post by Lazarillo on Jan 24, 2017 2:31:36 GMT
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I can dig this idea mostly (and incidentally also headcanon that in my Mahariel world states, which is most of them, that Merrill really did see Mahariel, too, albeit for different reasons), but isn't it only a week or two between the last scene of 2 and the beginning of Inquisition? I mean, not ruling it out per se, but it does make a rather...convenient time frame. I ignore it enirely. It is a story thread that was cancelled. Therefore, the story in Inquisition is a the trueone to rectify that. I have a hard time just ignoring it. I can accept that characters can be mistaken (like in my above-mentioned Anders one, I just think Justice doesn't know he's not Anders, since he's not familiar with possession in the first place), or could even be lying, but I just can't bring myself to disregard the statement wholesale. And if it's a lie or she's wrong, I can't explain well why she'd try to connect it to Hawke's disappearance. But that's just me I s'pose. I do admit I wish it were easier...my first DAO playthrough romanced Leliana, and since it was my first, it's still kinda dear to me, but it's just hard to carry over and feel right with the "canon".
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Post by Wynne on Jan 24, 2017 3:41:33 GMT
Who said "as gods"? You don't have to be a god to feel like your character has an edge over the rest, and regardless of anything else, mages will still be squishy. As for talent, PCs are obviously better than Felix, or they wouldn't be doing what they're doing, they'd have gone to study mathematics too; I find that an absurd argument.
Yes, I've heard of game balance, but I simply don't give a flying flip about it in Dragon Age. There should really be a difficulty level for people who value lore over perfect game balance, which I don't think was achieved anyway. I don't play DAI for some sort of epic micromanagement challenge; if I want a gameplay challenge, I'll go play ME3 multiplayer on Platinum or go leech heal a NM in an MMO like TSW. I am no lightweight who needs to L2P (not that there's anything wrong with being a lightweight) yet I have slowly become decidedly casual about DA--I play DA primarily for the feel and the story and the fun.
I don't have enough time in my life to pause and strategize and pare down opponents' healthbars over thousands of hours, yet still do all the playthroughs I want to. Give me that unbalanced mage playthrough any damn day. I respectfully do not care if no one agrees with me. Everyone else, pause and strategize and micromanage away; I know my father loves that kind of thing, more power to you all--but my preferences are different. I am not a lightweight, but I'm also not a game balance fan first and foremost--I'm a fan of the Dragon Age universe, and for me that will always take precedence. I'd rather feel like the lore matches the novels than feel like mages are just flimsy grunts with slightly better special effects. If that costs me in terms of challenge, I am utterly fine with that. I would love for there to be a Lore mode that upped the stakes overall, but made mages stronger. I doubt I will ever see that happen, but I would love it, even if it meant companions could die permanently without a spirit healer present or something.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 24, 2017 11:41:38 GMT
Repeating what I said in that About Loghain thread, I don't like that Duncan didn't explain the US at Ostagar and that Alistair didn't know about it so I just pretend the HoF was told at Ostagar. I don't really get this criticism, honestly. Riordan provides a decent explanation for our lack of information about the Ultimate Sacrifice later in the game. He states that when expecting to encounter the Archdemon in battle, the most Senior Wardens or ones nearest to their Calling tend to be the ones to chose to sacrifice themselves, in order to deliver the killing blow. It's probably not even common knowledge even among most Wardens, but something that's only revealed to Senior Wardens when a Blight begins. Outside of that, it wouldn't be pertinent information because the Wardens can go centuries without seeing Darkspawn ravaging the surface or an Archdemon being awake. If Ostagar had gone as planned and everyone had survived, Duncan would have probably been the one who perished taking down Urthemiel on top of Fort Drakon. It was his right as both Warden-Commander and because he was nearing his Calling, as Alistair confirms that Duncan had told him he'd started having the nightmares again, signalling is time was near. Because the Warden and Alistair were both fresh recruits, they didn't need to know about the Ultimate Sacrifice. It was (wrongly) assumed that neither would ever have been in a position where it would have been left to them to take down the Archdemon, because there were plenty of other Wardens further up the list than they were.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 24, 2017 12:15:42 GMT
The rational me agrees with you completely. The not-so-rational, emotional me shakes her head fervently I can justify their separation in that they remain close at heart, like siblings who live in different cities. Or, for that matter, like Leliana and Justinia/Dorothea herself were, despite also being "more than just friends" during the time of Origins. The part that's harder for me to justify is the whole bit in Dragon Age 2 where she's all "I am convinced s/he disappeared for utterly mysterious reasons that must be related to Hawke's mysterious disappearance as well! Not only can s/he not lead the Inquisition, but there's clearly a conspiracy afoot!" but then in Inquisition it turns out Hawke didn't mysteriously disappear, and if romanced, Leliana is just "yeah, I've known what s/he's up to all along, and I can even send a message". How do people headcanon that one? I think, "Hawke's mysterious disappear" about templar-Hawke, who became viscount (the writers supposed, that this will canon, or at least surprised, that how many player choosed to save mages instead Kirkwall...). The mage supportive Hawke simply exiled from Kirkwall, so: not really "disappear" (and certainly not "mysterious"), rather possibly hiding. (I can't remember, what was viscount Hawke's reason, that s/he left his/her home...)
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 24, 2017 19:40:05 GMT
I disagree about Duncan not needing to tell his recruits. He didn't have to tell them the whole mechanics of how the US worked but he did need to emphasise that only a Grey Warden can kill an arch demon, so they would ensure that if it did turn up on the field of battle, his recruits knew to stop anyone else from making the killer blow. It might also help in explaining to them why the joining was necessary if they knew that the arch demon could not be defeated without it.
Duncan was also a terrible strategist to have committed his entire Grey Warden force bar two to the front line of battle, when he admitted himself there was no sign of the arch demon. When his forces were so few and the need for a Grey Warden to kill the arch demon is so great, you don't just use them as cannon fodder.
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Post by phoray on Jan 24, 2017 19:46:39 GMT
I disagree about Duncan not needing to tell his recruits. He didn't have to tell them the whole mechanics of how the US worked but he did need to emphasise that only a Grey Warden can kill an arch demon, so they would ensure that if it did turn up on the field of battle, his recruits knew to stop anyone else from making the killer blow. It might also help in explaining to them why the joining was necessary if they knew that the arch demon could not be defeated without it. Duncan was also a terrible strategist to have committed his entire Grey Warden force bar two to the front line of battle, when he admitted himself there was no sign of the arch demon. When his forces were so few and the need for a Grey Warden to kill the arch demon is so great, you don't just use them as cannon fodder. You really have to dig to find this info. My first couple of PTs, I thought it was just Duncan, Alistair and the Warden. And that the only reason Duncan was on the front line was to directly protect silly King Cailan who was also there. Then Alistair is only sad about Duncan being dead and not any of his drinking buddies. Do you think they just forgot to remove those lines and it was actually my original assumption? Or does that just make it worse that he didn't tell them?
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Post by Iakus on Jan 24, 2017 20:38:16 GMT
I disagree about Duncan not needing to tell his recruits. He didn't have to tell them the whole mechanics of how the US worked but he did need to emphasise that only a Grey Warden can kill an arch demon, so they would ensure that if it did turn up on the field of battle, his recruits knew to stop anyone else from making the killer blow. It might also help in explaining to them why the joining was necessary if they knew that the arch demon could not be defeated without it. Duncan was also a terrible strategist to have committed his entire Grey Warden force bar two to the front line of battle, when he admitted himself there was no sign of the arch demon. When his forces were so few and the need for a Grey Warden to kill the arch demon is so great, you don't just use them as cannon fodder. Well, Alistair, at least, knew that Grey Wardens are needed to stop an archdemon. He just didn't know why exactly. And he wasn't going to be on the front lines anyway. Also keep in mind Duncan thought Loghain and the Ferelden army were going to be coming down on the darkspawn horde like a hammer on an anvil. If there was an archdemon on the field, it would have been driven towards the Wardens (unless it just flew away, but that's a whole 'nother problem. Plus the Orlesian Wardens were ready to lend aid as well as a small army of Orlesian troops. But Loghain went and sealed the borders.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 24, 2017 21:59:24 GMT
Shemlen is simply the elven word for human. It's not the same as the derogatory term shem, so it doesn't mean anything negative. The Dalish usually use elven terms (like Beyond instead of Fade). True but I do recall instances of hearing the word “shemlen” used in the same manner of contempt as I’ve heard the word “shem”. One may be the proper term and the other the slur but I recall them being used in the same manner and tone. I’m not saying that it is used so in that fashion by all Dalish but that some do use it with the same negative connotations as the slur which is part of why Mahariel no longer wanted to use it. I suppose a comparison to better explain her feelings on the matter would be with the word “"n*i*g*g*e*r" which, to my knowledge, originated as a neutral term for people with black skin but became an ethnic slur. To Mahariel, “shemlen” originated as a neutral word for humans but now it feels like a slur to her the same as "knife-ear" and "flat-ear" do. It is interesting that modern elves refer to humans by shemlen given that they now fit its definition since they’re “quick children” as well due to their mortal lifespan but it did originate as the term for humans so the latter definition has likely upsurped the former.
Note: I know the word is censored on the forums but I thought my usage of it might be excused in this context.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 24, 2017 22:07:55 GMT
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I can dig this idea mostly (and incidentally also headcanon that in my Mahariel world states, which is most of them, that Merrill really did see Mahariel, too, albeit for different reasons), but isn't it only a week or two between the last scene of 2 and the beginning of Inquisition? I mean, not ruling it out per se, but it does make a rather...convenient time frame. I remember Linkara headcanoning that literal space, and I believe, time worked differently in the Power Rangers universe hence why people could breathe on the moon and the timeline could be wonky. Perhaps you could adapt his headcanon for the Dragon Age universe as well?
Note: I can recommend his retrospective series on Power Rangers.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 24, 2017 23:07:07 GMT
Shemlen is simply the elven word for human. It's not the same as the derogatory term shem, so it doesn't mean anything negative. The Dalish usually use elven terms (like Beyond instead of Fade). True but I do recall instances of hearing the word “shemlen” used in the same manner of contempt as I’ve heard the word “shem”. One may be the proper term and the other the slur but I recall them being used in the same manner and tone. I’m not saying that it is used so in that fashion by all Dalish but that some do use it with the same negative connotations as the slur which is part of why Mahariel no longer wanted to use it. I suppose a comparison to better explain her feelings on the matter would be with the word “"n*i*g*g*e*r" which, to my knowledge, originated as a neutral term for people with black skin but became an ethnic slur. To Mahariel, “shemlen” originated as a neutral word for humans but now it feels like a slur to her the same as "knife-ear" and "flat-ear" do. It is interesting that modern elves refer to humans by shemlen given that they now fit its definition since they’re “quick children” as well due to their mortal lifespan but it did originate as the term for humans so the latter definition has likely upsurped the former.
Note: I know the word is censored on the forums but I thought my usage of it might be excused in this context.
The two words aren't comparable, though. One has been commonly used to dehumanize black people for centuries, while another is used as the elven term for 'human' in the same way that 'Beyond' is the elven term for 'Fade', and it's been that way for centuries. It's used in a neutral context by the Dalish, even when referring to Andraste as something their ancestors saw as a war leader (rather than a prophet). Even Gaider noted on the Dragon Central board, for the Dalish: "Shemlen" is "human" to them, but not "quick children". The Dalish elves don't use it in the same context as the Arlathan elves, and part of the premise behind this ethnic group is to try and restore as much lost knowledge as they can. On that note, part of the reason I regret having a VA for the main character is issues like this, where an elven protagonist should be using elven terms for things like 'human', 'Fade', 'spirits' (instead of demons, as noted by the religious discussions between Merrill and Anders), but instead uses Andrastian terminology.
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Post by xilizhra on Jan 25, 2017 5:48:22 GMT
On that note, part of the reason I regret having a VA for the main character is issues like this, where an elven protagonist should be using elven terms for things like 'human', 'Fade', 'spirits' (instead of demons, as noted by the religious discussions between Merrill and Anders), but instead uses Andrastian terminology. Actually, Dalish still do acknowledge that demons exist; Merrill brings them up unprompted sometimes. For some reason, I can't remember the PC ever using the word "human."
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