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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 19, 2017 19:16:35 GMT
Once again, in the name of cultural appropriation, I'm stealing this idea from a Redditor. In this case, /u/GamblesWithDesire. Original thread here. A handful of good ones from that thread to get things started: - The Dalish infanticide rule for three mages max
- Andraste wasn't a mage
- Fiona is Alistair's mom
Again, these are points of lore that people find so unacceptable that they headcanon to something different.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 19, 2017 19:17:45 GMT
For me, I can't accept that every Grey Warden in Orlais was so stupid and/or cowardly as to believe that blood sacrifice to raise a demon army was a good idea. I like to headcanon that it was only about 1 out of 10 that ended up at Adamant, and then even some of them came to their senses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 19:27:48 GMT
The City Elf's boon was respected and Denerim's city elves are treated better.
edit: If they retcon that Cullen is a serial killer then I can dismiss other things in the epilogue.
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Post by javeart on Jan 19, 2017 20:01:18 GMT
lol. my initial reaction was "Oh, this is fun, I do this all the time" and I've been here thinking for a while and I can't come up with a single thing I headcanon lots of stuff for ME, but apparently I follow DA's lore (or what little I know of it) religiously? I'm shocked, it's not like me edit: I'll keep thinking, I'm sure there's something
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Post by shechinah on Jan 19, 2017 20:10:02 GMT
- The Dalish infanticide rule for three mages max
Yup, just going to keep on believing and headcanoning that it's a practice that differs betweens some clans and is flat out rejected by other clans. I've previously headcanoned that the culture and practices of the Dalish differs in part because of how they often live a good way away from each other and so they've changed due to the clan's experiences and enviroment.
To me, the rule of three is another way the clans differ; some clans feel forced to take up the practice due to living in areas where templars are more likely to be able to find them and come down on them while others do not and so have not. It does not make sense that the rule of three and no more is something every Dalish clan abides by no matter where in the world they are.
Until I hear it confirmed as a practice that all Dalish uses, I'm also going to keep on interpreting the lore bit as what I've mentioned above.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 19, 2017 20:14:16 GMT
Fiona being an idiot. Alexius clearly used blood magic on her to get her to sell herself and her people into slavery Anders in DA2 is not Anders from Awakening. He is a different apostate Grey Warden mage who likes cats and is named Anders Dawn of the Seeker is a wild exaggeration of what actually happened when Cassandra became the Right Hand of the Divine. Exactly the kind of tale that she makes disgusted noises at.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 19, 2017 20:18:45 GMT
For me, I can't accept that every Grey Warden in Orlais was so stupid and/or cowardly as to believe that blood sacrifice to raise a demon army was a good idea. I like to headcanon that it was only about 1 out of 10 that ended up at Adamant, and then even some of them came to their senses. I headcanoned that Orlesian Grey Wardens who did not support the plan either left to inform and seek correspondence with other Grey Wardens about the sudden Calling or to inform the Grey Warden chain of leadership elsewhere about their comrades' plan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 20:22:08 GMT
I headcanon away Sera's existence.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 19, 2017 20:23:50 GMT
Dawn of the Seeker is a wild exaggeration of what actually happened when Cassandra became the Right Hand of the Divine. Exactly the kind of tale that she makes disgusted noises at. What, you didn't think the massive army comprised of only ogres and golems out in the open and appearing out of nowhere made sense?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 19, 2017 20:25:04 GMT
The three mage rule is a lie seeing as it only appeared in DAI. I like the idea that it is a tale that the Dalish use to keep the Templars off their tails; otherwise it makes absolutely no sense in view of their lore that states everyone was once a mage, the leader of each clan is a mage and they have to adopt mage children from other clans in order to ensure they are never without a mage. Also how much emphasis they place on loyalty to family and sticking together. Why would they be so afraid of mages being possessed when the Avaar are just fine with them and even give the responsibility of training their mages to spirits? I headcanon that my Lavellan makes a point of finding out which clans were responsible for Minaeve and Dalish and then gives them hell at the next Arlathven.
I also couldn't understand why Clarel appeared to be leading the Grey Wardens in both Orlais and Ferelden. Even if the HoF had gone off on a bit of a sabbatical, I'm sure they had their own deputy at Vigil's Keep. What happened to my Silver Order? And while we're on the subject of Grey Wardens, how come Teagan was bad mouthing them and harking back to old history of Sophie Dryden when we had a much more recent example of co-operation between the State and the Grey Wardens at Vigil's Keep? King Alistair/Queen Anora seemed to have no problem with an independent organisation running a major fortress and land holding so long as they kept the peace, yet Teagan is all outraged that the Inquisition was still holding Caer Bronach, when he and his fellow nobles couldn't even be bothered to turf the bandits out of the stronghold, let alone protect the villagers from undead and other assorted nasties. I headcanon that when the HoF returns from the west and hears what went on, she gives her deputy hell for not standing up to Clarel and then goes to Denerim to give Alistair an ear full. Teagan pulled up the drawbridge on Redcliffe Castle when he heard she was coming his way.
Why did they make such a big deal of the fact that if you kept the Grey Wardens they would still be a danger (which actually made sense) and then there were no repercussions if you did? Whereas all the negative outcomes were from banishing the Wardens. Plus I thought it was only a temporary banishment until Corypheus had been dealt with but suddenly everyone across Thedas is telling them to get lost. I don't headcanon it away. After the first play through I just don't get rid of them. Solas is a bit pissed but then who cares what he thinks. He is planning on killing millions of people regardless.
How did Corypheus ever manage to infiltrate the Conclave in the first place? Why wasn't security better considering there had already been an attempt on the life of Justinia only around 6 months before? Where were the Knights Divine (there had to be some loyal ones) and other personal guards? I cannot headcanon that one away - I just think it shows how badly they needed my Inquisitor to sort them out. Things didn't improve - look at the number of security breaches that occurred subsequently. Leliana's spy network sucks.
Why wasn't Vivienne at the Conclave? You can't tell me that she would not want to be there. It seems that everyone was at the Conclave bar the actual leaders of the various factions: Fiona, Vivienne and Lucius, and the Right and Left Hands of the Divine (who should have been in charge of security). If Justinia had really been considering Hawke for the role of Inquisitor, then surely she would have sorted that out before the Conclave, not left it to the last minute? So it was a pretty pointless endeavour from the start and a lot of people died for nothing. A bit like Pharamond's experiment at Adamant. Justinia clearly has no concept of danger even to her own safety when she authorises a pet project.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 20:33:04 GMT
I also couldn't understand why Clarel appeared to be leading the Grey Wardens in both Orlais and Ferelden . Even if the HoF had gone off on a bit of a sabbatical, I'm sure they had their own deputy at Vigil's Keep. What happened to my Silver Order? And while we're on the subject of Grey Wardens, how come Teagan was bad mouthing them and harking back to old history of Sophie Dryden when we had a much more recent example of co-operation between the State and the Grey Wardens at Vigil's Keep? I think he was just trying to use whatever he could find to throw at you.
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Post by javeart on Jan 19, 2017 21:10:52 GMT
(...)
How did Corypheus ever manage to infiltrate the Conclave in the first place? Why wasn't security better considering there had already been an attempt on the life of Justinia only around 6 months before? Where were the Knights Divine (there had to be some loyal ones) and other personal guards? I cannot headcanon that one away - I just think it shows how badly they needed my Inquisitor to sort them out. Things didn't improve - look at the number of security breaches that occurred subsequently. Leliana's spy network sucks.
(...) Ok, this, the whole ritual with the grey wardens and the divine seemed awfully stupid to me, I have to say it I don't have an elaborate headcanon to replace it though, I try only to ignore it .. I guess that makes my headcanon by default that it was never completely clear what happened and how the Divine ended in the fade with the Inquisitor (I always skip those cutscenes ). Other things though, I'm comfortable with just thinking that people can make very stupid decisions (Fiona, GW), particularly in extreme circumstances, and sometimes I just mistrust what someone is telling me (Minaeve)
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Post by Iakus on Jan 19, 2017 21:16:42 GMT
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I also couldn't understand why Clarel appeared to be leading the Grey Wardens in both Orlais and Ferelden. Even if the HoF had gone off on a bit of a sabbatical, I'm sure they had their own deputy at Vigil's Keep. What happened to my Silver Order? And while we're on the subject of Grey Wardens, how come Teagan was bad mouthing them and harking back to old history of Sophie Dryden when we had a much more recent example of co-operation between the State and the Grey Wardens at Vigil's Keep? King Alistair/Queen Anora seemed to have no problem with an independent organisation running a major fortress and land holding so long as they kept the peace, yet Teagan is all outraged that the Inquisition was still holding Caer Bronach, when he and his fellow nobles couldn't even be bothered to turf the bandits out of the stronghold, let alone protect the villagers from undead and other assorted nasties. I headcanon that when the HoF returns from the west and hears what went on, she gives her deputy hell for not standing up to Clarel and then goes to Denerim to give Alistair an ear full. Teagan pulled up the drawbridge on Redcliffe Castle when he heard she was coming his way.
To be fair, the Hero of Fereldan was also made arl of Amaranthine and therefore had a legal claim to the Vigil. The Inquisitor had no such claim. That Teagan completely forgets about the Fifth Blight and the Hero and Alistair's deeds is much more puzzling. Fiona and Lucius both suspected a trap and sent others in their place. Fiona, at least, admitted to such. No idea why Vivienne wasn't there. The Inquisition was a backup in case the Conclave failed. I guess they figured they had more time to find a leader.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 19, 2017 21:48:32 GMT
The idea that because the Dalish clans travel around independently of one another, that they would not be able to maintain a consistency of culture. The whole essence of the Dalish is that they feel they are entrusted with the task of maintaining their traditions and customs until such time as they have a homeland once more. That is the point of their existence. So each and every clan would see that as a sacred trust. Then every 10 years they get together to catch up, recount existing lore traditions and exchange anything new they have discovered. However, even if they didn't, the individual clan would make a point of keeping up their traditional values.
I would point to the traditional Romani culture or the Jewish diaspora as examples of two cultural groups that were scattered far and wide and yet had a consistency in their core beliefs and customs (only weakening in more modern times through coming into contact with other cultures). I thought the Dalish were meant to have been based on the former but clearly the writers do not understand the way nomadic cultures such as these work.
So I found it really annoying that my Lavellan was constantly being told by people who were not Dalish that their different experience from what the other person was telling them was Dalish practice was down to the fact that the clans had grown apart from one another over the years. I felt like saying that if these clans were not adhering to the values that I had been told were Dalish in the previous two games, then in fact they were no longer Dalish but simply wandering elves who had forgotten what it was to be Dalish or had possibly never been Dalish in the first place.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 19, 2017 23:06:46 GMT
- The Dalish infanticide rule for three mages max
Creators, what a pointless recton. You almost have to admire how we're supposed to ignore the presence of multiple mages in Zathrian's clan, Velanna's comments about how the Dalish view every elf as precious because of how few of them there are, Merrill's multiple dialogues on the subject (including how alien she finds it that humans would toss aside mages) and even her backstory about magic dying out among the People in order to shove this ham-fisted recton of the Dalish discarding mages if there are too many of them because (as Iron Bull puts it) of the lack of templars, even though the clans are the remnants of an autonomous elven kingdom where mages were free and there were no templars.
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Post by secretrare on Jan 20, 2017 0:14:18 GMT
@gervaise How did Corypheus ever manage to infiltrate the Conclave in the first place?
Answer Very simple,infiltrate a GW there in order to be part of the security tasked to protect Justina,suicide himself and possess that GW,done.
Or hide himself within a GW body instead to show directly himself,actually i think Corypheus was pretty naïve at not using this ability to fool the Inquisition.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 20, 2017 1:27:11 GMT
Dawn of the Seeker is a wild exaggeration of what actually happened when Cassandra became the Right Hand of the Divine. Exactly the kind of tale that she makes disgusted noises at. I've always liked to think of it as the version Varric tells, which would explain the wildly unlikely battle scenes. ("And then there was a whole army of ogres and ... um ... golems! Yeah, golems are cool.")
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Post by spiritofsolace on Jan 20, 2017 1:30:27 GMT
I felt like saying that if these clans were not adhering to the values that I had been told were Dalish in the previous two games, then in fact they were no longer Dalish but simply wandering elves who had forgotten what it was to be Dalish or had possibly never been Dalish in the first place. It is rare that I find something that so completely sums up why I am uncomfortable with the Dalish and Dalish fans. That whole attitude is basically saying "Being Dalish or an elf can't mean something different to different people. If you think differently there is something wrong with you, and I am the one who can decide what is right for everyone." Ethnocentrism is gross and wrong no matter where it is coming from. As for headcanons, I can't actually think of any. Probably because I just overlook it so hard that I completely forget about it not because Bioware's writing is so great or anything like that.
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Post by xerrai on Jan 20, 2017 1:56:50 GMT
I think there are only two where I operate on headcanon:
1. The Three Mage Rule of the Dalish Introduced in DAI: I like the headcanon that this is not even close to being a universal policy among the clans. It just really rubs me the wrong way that all of a sudden, the writers decided to add in the three mage rule even though previous games show that most Clans are either desperate to preserve magic or place such a heavy value on magic that elven mages are considered precious.
Though I do like to think that this 'rule' is only perpetuated by those outside of Dalish Clans, with most of their knowledge either having been gain through either legend or mage children who were forced to leave their clans and ended up in the Circle.
2. Something was happening with Alistair to account for all of the information on lyrium that he gives us. Its probably the honest result of world builders changing an aspect of their game after the release of DAO, but Alistair's misinformation on lyrium usage for templars is probably infamous at this point, as it directly or implicitly contradicts the idea that lyrium is a drug that templars need to constantly take to maintain their powers and no suffer from withdrawal. So in order for the answer to not be "the writers changed the lore drastically" something has to be unique about Alistair in a story sense for him to believe these things. But right now i'm drawing a blank....maybe the dragon blood?
And while this is not really a "major" one, I do often have two specific headcanons related to Ostwick in order to make sense of a particular section in the codex entry "The Enigma of Kirkwall" and to serve as a partial explanation for why Vivienne has the views that she does.
1. Ostwick has a medium to high rate of maleficar sightings. This is actually implied in the codex itself, with Ostwick's and Starkhaven's maleficar rate being considered barely half of the maleficar sightings in Kirkwall. But there is also the possibility that those names were only brought up because they were Free Marcher city-states to help accentuate Kirkwall's bad-ness within the confines of its own country which actually isn't too bad on its own. But I like to headcanon that there is a legit maleficar problem in Ostwick which helps tied into...
2. The Ostwick Circle has a high Harrowing rate. I mostly headcanon this to account for the maleficar sightings. Blood Magic and failed harrowings just seem to go together. Speaks of either a high amount of desperation from mages or a strong demonic presence in a city. Or both. I also like to think that it ties into how Vivienne was one of the youngest mages ever to pass her harrowing (I think Gaider said she was 14? 15?)
It's not too outlandish an assumption to think that the younger you are, the less chance you have of surviving a harrowing. They simply have not aged/matured yet in most cases. Yet here we have a Circle that is apparently totally willing to summon a mage for their harrowing when they are barely old enough to be considered an adult.
Anyway, I like these minor headcanons because it means Vivienne has probably heard and/or has seen the sort of monsters mages can become without proper education which would help account for her traditional views that seemingly dismisses or denies the extremity of the "templar element" in the Circles. All she sees is a war "against the ordinary people of Thedas".
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 20, 2017 2:03:44 GMT
I don't have an elaborate headcanon to replace it though, I try only to ignore it .. I guess that makes my headcanon by default that it was never completely clear what happened and how the Divine ended in the fade with the Inquisitor (I always skip those cutscenes ). Headcanoning to "Didn't happen; ignored" is totally legit as a headcanon.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 20, 2017 5:49:08 GMT
Once again, in the name of cultural appropriation, I'm stealing this idea from a Redditor. In this case, /u/GamblesWithDesire. Original thread here. A handful of good ones from that thread to get things started: - The Dalish infanticide rule for three mages max
Though when Minerva mentions being kicked out of her clan, I like that you do have the option of saying that wouldn't happen in your clan. So I look at it as not a Dalish-in-general rule, but perhaps a specific clan(s) one. Maybe they had a bad experience (eg. their Keeper turning into an abomination) which prompted the creation of that rule.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 20, 2017 10:33:02 GMT
Once again, in the name of cultural appropriation, I'm stealing this idea from a Redditor. In this case, /u/GamblesWithDesire. Original thread here. A handful of good ones from that thread to get things started: - The Dalish infanticide rule for three mages max
Though when Minerva mentions being kicked out of her clan, I like that you do have the option of saying that wouldn't happen in your clan. So I look at it as not a Dalish-in-general rule, but perhaps a specific clan(s) one. Maybe they had a bad experience (eg. their Keeper turning into an abomination) which prompted the creation of that rule. I alwys thought that too, because of the possible answer, the inqui can give Minerve.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 20, 2017 10:33:06 GMT
I felt like saying that if these clans were not adhering to the values that I had been told were Dalish in the previous two games, then in fact they were no longer Dalish but simply wandering elves who had forgotten what it was to be Dalish or had possibly never been Dalish in the first place. It is rare that I find something that so completely sums up why I am uncomfortable with the Dalish and Dalish fans. That whole attitude is basically saying "Being Dalish or an elf can't mean something different to different people. If you think differently there is something wrong with you, and I am the one who can decide what is right for everyone." Ethnocentrism is gross and wrong no matter where it is coming from. We have Zathrian's clan rescue a wounded Anenrin who was on the verge of death because templars attacked him as a child when he ran from the Circle. Zathrian rescued Lanaya from bandits, and the clan offered to take her back home. Alarith's life was saved by Dalish when bandits murdered his parents and his brother and almost got to him; they also left his belongings alone. Merrill says that the plight of Andrastian elves matters and chastises Fenris (a Tevinter elf) when it seems like he doesn't care about them, and says to him they are "our people". You seem to generalize and denigrate the Dalish as if they all hold negative views on Andrastian elves, even though there are a number of examples that disprove this.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Catilina on Jan 20, 2017 15:42:57 GMT
The dalish three mages rule just Inquisition bullshit, the writers wants to show what a blessing is the Circle for the mages...
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