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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 18:51:34 GMT
Some vicious DAI fans tend to act like that whenever their date simulator is criticized in every way. Don't be surprised. I am really not vicious in this case. I just wanted to point out that the game is meh for @domi but not for a lot of other people, or say the majority His sentence *** Perfect example why it's such a meh game. *** is a harsh generalization, yet only his opinion. I do not know a single game without a flaw - its made from humans and humans making faults or being greedy or whatever. Its good to have your own opinion about - but to generalize your meaning is just not right - imo :D Hers/she and I have agreed that it is my opinion. At no point I have said that I speak for the majority or lamented the deplorable tastes of the majority. Shall I add "in my opinion" to the first line to avoid futher misunderstanding? The body of my post was describing a specific example to show a systematic problem that made me disappointed in the game. If every other person who have played the game was raving about that very same passage in the game, it would still have no bearing on how I feel about it. I hope you can accept that, just as I happily accept that for someone a Solas romance (or any other things you have quoted or a combination of them) alone makes the game an emotionally charged experience, and makes them thrilled about replaying it multiple times. As far as I know, the sacred rules of internet allow me a rant upon playing :)
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Post by laeydin on Mar 16, 2017 19:27:26 GMT
No matter how good a game is, it's going to get criticism, there's no way around it. Why? Because what people are looking for in a game, varies from person to person. Say you're the type of gamer that loves non-stop action, well the dialogue and story might not appeal to them and they'll call it "slow" or "boring" while the next person might love the story, and really immerse themselves in the narrative, while not liking the battling portion enough, and complaining there.
I for one, loved DAI, enough so that I'm playing it multiple times. Which has never happened, typically I race to the end of the story, beat the game and shelf it - but this game has drawn me back in numerous times. Were there some weak points? Some areas that Bioware could work on? Sure. But that didn't take away from the parts I really did like. I'd say Dragon Age inquisition did it's job, and satisfied it's fans with an amazing story, lovable characters and an immersive, and equally beautiful environment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 19:39:31 GMT
No matter how good a game is, it's going to get criticism, there's no way around it. Why? Because what people are looking for in a game, varies from person to person. Say you're the type of gamer that loves non-stop action, well the dialogue and story might not appeal to them and they'll call it "slow" or "boring" while the next person might love the story, and really immerse themselves in the narrative, while not liking the battling portion enough, and complaining there. I for one, loved DAI, enough so that I'm playing it multiple times. Which has never happened, typically I race to the end of the story, beat the game and shelf it - but this game has drawn me back in numerous times. Were there some weak points? Some areas that Bioware could work on? Sure. But that didn't take away from the parts I really did like. I'd say Dragon Age inquisition did it's job, and satisfied it's fans with an amazing story, lovable characters and an immersive, and equally beautiful environment. I do not disagree with the first paragraph. In the second paragraph, you deliver your personal evaluation, and conclude with a generalization, something you have previously begrudged me.
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Post by laeydin on Mar 16, 2017 19:52:02 GMT
No matter how good a game is, it's going to get criticism, there's no way around it. Why? Because what people are looking for in a game, varies from person to person. Say you're the type of gamer that loves non-stop action, well the dialogue and story might not appeal to them and they'll call it "slow" or "boring" while the next person might love the story, and really immerse themselves in the narrative, while not liking the battling portion enough, and complaining there.
I for one, loved DAI, enough so that I'm playing it multiple times. Which has never happened, typically I race to the end of the story, beat the game and shelf it - but this game has drawn me back in numerous times. Were there some weak points? Some areas that Bioware could work on? Sure. But that didn't take away from the parts I really did like. I'd say Dragon Age inquisition did it's job, and satisfied it's fans with an amazing story, lovable characters and an immersive, and equally beautiful environment. I do not disagree with the first paragraph. In the second paragraph, you deliver your personal evaluation, and conclude with a generalization, something you have previously begrudged me. I am unsure what you're trying to say. I clarified that the second paragraph was an opinion from myself, alone. I'm sorry if that somehow, "begrudges" you in some fashion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 19:58:37 GMT
I do not disagree with the first paragraph. In the second paragraph, you deliver your personal evaluation, and conclude with a generalization, something you have previously begrudged me. I am unsure what you're trying to say. I clarified that the second paragraph was an opinion from myself, alone. I'm sorry if that somehow, "begrudges" you in some fashion. You called my statement that the game is meh a "horrible generalization", while your last sentence make a sweeping statement that the game delivered to the fan base an exhilarating experience. Hence, in my opinion, the game is "meh". In your opinion it's a gamegasm. We both are free to say what we think. Even the polar opinions shall not put the other party on defensive. Deal?
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Post by ladyaly on Mar 16, 2017 20:02:17 GMT
LOL = seems you lost pretty hard track who and what was posted ! and I did say *harsh* not horrible ... So plz do not accuse the wrong person of something it wasn't even written
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 20:16:08 GMT
LOL = seems you lost pretty hard track who and what was posted ! and I did say *harsh* not horrible ... So plz do not accuse the wrong person of something it wasn't even written :P I am sorry. You referred to my opinion as a "harsh generalization", rather than "horrible generalization". Once (and if) I finish the last game in the DA series, I will draw final conclusions based on a full run of the story-line. At this point, up to completing the Raw Fade Quest, Inquisition is the second from the bottom on my personal list of Bio/Obsi games in terms of an enjoyable PT.
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Post by laeydin on Mar 16, 2017 20:20:03 GMT
I am unsure what you're trying to say. I clarified that the second paragraph was an opinion from myself, alone. I'm sorry if that somehow, "begrudges" you in some fashion. You called my statement that the game is meh a "horrible generalization", while your last sentence make a sweeping statement that the game delivered to the fan base an exhilarating experience. Hence, in my opinion, the game is "meh". In your opinion it's a gamegasm. We both are free to say what we think. Even the polar opinions shall not put the other party on defensive. Deal? Did I not clarify that there were fans that weren't satisfied? Clearly this suggests that I'm referring to the fans that did like the game, not that there weren't people who didn't like it. It's unnecessary and rather verbose for me to mention "And there people who didn't like it" numerous times aftering having already stated it. I would have believed that obvious. Please don't split hairs over semantics, because it doesn't get us anywhere, but around a rabbit hole.
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Post by ladyaly on Mar 16, 2017 20:21:16 GMT
Better say sorry to laeydin to puzzle her - she didn't say nothing. So you mixed up her and mine posts. ( Btw I wasn't offended at all )
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 20:27:04 GMT
Better say sorry to laeydin to puzzle her :D - she didn't say nothing. So you mixed up her and mine posts. ( Btw I wasn't offended at all ) Yes, I did mix the two quotes up. You have somewhat similar names in letters and length, and I do not have sigs/avatars enabled.
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Post by laeydin on Mar 16, 2017 20:29:06 GMT
Better say sorry to laeydin to puzzle her - she didn't say nothing. So you mixed up her and mine posts. ( Btw I wasn't offended at all ) I was legitimately confused. lolololol
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Mar 16, 2017 22:31:22 GMT
Except that ain't exactly Ashley vs. Kaiden. It's Hawke, the coolest character in the whole frigging saga vs some guy we briefly met before. And he does not even get an epic cutscene like Kaiden/Ashley or even a bunch of minor NPCs that sacrifice themselves in MET that rips your heart out. Nah, he just lunges, and off we go to close the 165th rift. Dragon flew away, btw. Is that even BioWare? The only exalted thing in DA:I is the marches, and that happened way before I have created my Inquisitor. On my first DAI playthrough, I had no qualms at all about sacrificing Hawke because I couldn't stand DA2 and I never felt like I knew Hawke. I'd spent way more time with Alistair (the other option), so I saved him and let Hawke die. Later, once I'd had a chance to headcanon a decent Hawke, I saved Hawke, but even then I changed my world state to make the other option Loghain to make it easier.
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Post by CatcheJagger on Mar 16, 2017 23:34:30 GMT
I definitely don't think that DAI managed to surpass the original in terms of quality and disliked a fair few aspects of its presentation, in particular its tedious side quests which could have used some beefier writing to make them feel more meaningful and enjoyable.
However, after the mess that was DA2 (and it certainly was a mess) its hard to call this one disappointing. It succeeded in surpassing its predecessor and, imo, it had the most overall likable supporting cast in any Dragon Age so far.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 16, 2017 23:39:50 GMT
I definitely don't think that DAI managed to surpass the original in terms of quality and disliked a fair few aspects of its presentation, in particular its tedious side quests which could have used some beefier writing to make them feel more meaningful and enjoyable. However, after the mess that was DA2 (and it certainly was a mess) its hard to call this one disappointing. It succeeded in surpassing its predecessor and, imo, it had the most overall likable supporting cast in any Dragon Age so far. Yes, indeed, some likable supporting cast. Hawke has lovable (crazy) friends.
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Post by CatcheJagger on Mar 16, 2017 23:53:41 GMT
I definitely don't think that DAI managed to surpass the original in terms of quality and disliked a fair few aspects of its presentation, in particular its tedious side quests which could have used some beefier writing to make them feel more meaningful and enjoyable. However, after the mess that was DA2 (and it certainly was a mess) its hard to call this one disappointing. It succeeded in surpassing its predecessor and, imo, it had the most overall likable supporting cast in any Dragon Age so far. Yes, indeed, some likable supporting cast. Hawke has lovable friends. I'm really not a fan of the DA2 companions. It is just my opinion, but Fenris and Anders in particular are some of the most obnoxious companions that I've dealt with in a Bioware game. At least with Anders the annoyance that he brings feels kind of legitimate, as I've met people like Anders, and at certain times in my life have even found myself following similar patterns without realizing it. Fenris is just really grating to me. Sebastian is a bit boring. Isabela just squeaks by as fine through moments of solid characterization overcoming the generally over-the-top presentation of her character. Merrill's interesting arc is undermined by her at times cloying nature. I liked Aveline and Varric. They weren't the best DA companions, but there was a fair bit of char to each of them and I brought them on most of my quests.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 17, 2017 0:13:46 GMT
Yes, indeed, some likable supporting cast. Hawke has lovable friends. I'm really not a fan of the DA2 companions. It is just my opinion, but Fenris and Anders in particular are some of the most obnoxious companions that I've dealt with in a Bioware game. At least with Anders the annoyance that he brings feels kind of legitimate, as I've met people like Anders, and at certain times in my life have even found myself following similar patterns without realizing it. Fenris is just really grating to me. Sebastian is a bit boring. Isabela just squeaks by as fine through moments of solid characterization overcoming the generally over-the-top presentation of her character. Merrill's interesting arc is undermined by her at times cloying nature. I liked Aveline and Varric. They weren't the best DA companions, but there was a fair bit of char to each of them and I brought them on most of my quests. Haha, this two the best, especially Anders. But all of them was very intensive. Was Sebastian boring? Not really. Isabela was great, Merrill interesting. Aveline a bit too lawful and too normal compared with the others, Varric was fun. Carver, the little bastard favorite brother, Bethany was a bit boring good girl for first sight, but she's surprised me in the second game. In Inquisition was two character, that I really don't like. The others are okay, just the whole story too serious. Another world-saving game. Corypheus was more boring what I expected after the Legacy. The story was good, but the Inquisitor was too serious. (At least compared with Hawke.)
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Post by Mark7 on Mar 17, 2017 6:03:57 GMT
This game is utterly, absolutely, doubtlessly and irrevocably horrendous. The worst part of the game is the terrible pacing in the story and it's entire set-up from the Conclave.Your character is inexplicably tossed into the leadership roll of the last hope for Thedas without any reason or rhyme.Have fun aligning plenty planetastrosomething constellation minigames and completing mindless side missions for no absolute reason and with no absolute challenge besides running towards the marker on your minimap until you forget whatever the hell you were supposed to do in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 13:16:36 GMT
This game is utterly, absolutely, doubtlessly and irrevocably horrendous. The worst part of the game is the terrible pacing in the story and it's entire set-up from the Conclave.Your character is inexplicably tossed into the leadership roll of the last hope for Thedas without any reason or rhyme.Have fun aligning plenty planetastrosomething constellation minigames and completing mindless side missions for no absolute reason and with no absolute challenge besides running towards the marker on your minimap until you forget whatever the hell you were supposed to do in the first place. I do not have much quarrel with Inquisitor literally walking in onto his fate as The Guy with a Glowing Hand (as inappropriately hilarious as it is). It happened to many a protagonist. Hawke managed to make lemonade from those lemons. What I think is a far, far, far bigger problem is what you allude to in your second part of the post. The game does not manage the flow, and does not differentiate the quest streams. SWTOR does admiringly better in showing you the class, the planetary and the diversion type quests. frustrating bits also pile up, even if each of them is not as bad on its own, but you add up the lack of story-line battles where you kill middle management bosses; four-doors & a table clicker; locked out areas with no clear bread crumbs as to how to get around; too many quests in every aspect of the game (including companions) that are puddle deep and ocean wide; too much running with monotone content and it adds up. It is very individual wether you like the cast in DA:I or not, so the specific preferences can go a long way to either make the game more appealing, or less appealing. It certainly is not NWN1 or Icewind Dale, so for the cast BioWare at least delivers what we are used to. A bunch of companions with content enough to make you pick your friends and foes among them. Overall, I do hope that in future games BioWare tries to compromise more and not steer quite so sharply in a new direction, leaving too many of us dizzy with the sudden changes.
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Post by ilsen on Mar 19, 2017 19:16:43 GMT
I definitely don't think that DAI managed to surpass the original in terms of quality and disliked a fair few aspects of its presentation, in particular its tedious side quests which could have used some beefier writing to make them feel more meaningful and enjoyable. However, after the mess that was DA2 (and it certainly was a mess) its hard to call this one disappointing. It succeeded in surpassing its predecessor and, imo, it had the most overall likable supporting cast in any Dragon Age so far. Excellent point. Would I have been disappointed if they followed up DAO with DAI? Hmm. That's a tough one, but I still don't think so. They did take some steps back from DAO, but the steps forward were so grand and sweeping that it seems almost criminal to call it a disappointment. Still, I would have understood the sentiment more. It's certainly different. BUT as you point out, DAI did not come after DAO, it came after DA2, easily the most disappointing game I have loaded in over 30 years of gaming. (Not the worst, of course. I won't go that far. And the people using the super adjectives to describe DAI (worst ever, most horrendous in history, etc etc) clearly either can't express themselves very well or have literally only played a handful of games in their lives. There have been plenty of games that I haven't even gotten to run, for example. Pretty hard to call DA2 worse than those. It was terrible, but it did run. Then there are plenty of movie tie-in games that were objectively horrid and universally despised, etc etc. But I digress.) The good news is DA4 will almost certainly be more DAI than DA2. Here's hoping they can inject a little DAO into it though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 0:05:17 GMT
Well, if not ME:A and DA4, perhaps they will make another game for those of us who preferred JE-MET-DA2 style game. Or, perhaps they can reach a happy compromise, giving a trail of breadcrumbs for those of us who are thwarted and driven to tears by the OW component. Sort of make it more like SWTOR. we'll see. If not, well it saves money because you can buy it on sales with the DLCs when all the walkthroughs are available.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 20, 2017 2:15:28 GMT
Id say no, id say it was a good game with some flaws.
Personally, I found Dragon Age 2 to be more interesting in terms of storytelling, but Inquisition has a massive set up for something big in the future, and i'm looking forward to it personally.
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Post by Marduk on Mar 20, 2017 12:11:22 GMT
For a 2014 game i was satisfied with it. i necessarily don't know about others for sure but it won several reader votes as well that year. after 3 years however standards change so if someone starts playing it now chances are that they won't get the same level of enjoyment out of it even if we have a similar taste. of course haters and fanboys have their own "special" point of view.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 21, 2017 0:51:18 GMT
not only was it a disappointment but it was also a step backwards in writing quality - heck DA2 had better moments than cisquisition. Moreover, bioware should cease doing openworld because this game and andromeda are both mmo-ish styled crap filled with fetchquests and low quality content.
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Post by kino on Mar 21, 2017 1:40:34 GMT
Fair to say? No. Every person has a different experience. Different expectations, different outcomes. Personally, I've been very, very satisfied with DAI. None of the run throughs I've done, of which there have been six, have been disappointing. As a matter of fact, once I put some time between me and the game, I'll do another one later.
Sorry your experience wasn't as enjoyable as mine. Hopefully you'll find one that is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 13:25:30 GMT
Trespasser is good though, nice focused, with cool story and lore delivery. If the rest of the game was like Trespasser, I'd be a happy camper.
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