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Post by jasonpogo on Jan 30, 2017 17:51:17 GMT
So in Dragon Age Origins we had to fight the dark spawn. A scary monster race bent on destroying the world. In Dragon Age 2 we fought lyrium? Then in Dragon Age Inquisition we fought a dark spawn god bent on destroying the world. In Dragon Age 4 we will be fighting an elven god bent on destroying the world. I mean how many things can try and destroy the world in a what 30 year span...
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 30, 2017 17:58:26 GMT
Buffy the Vampire Slayer had, what, five near-apocalypses over the course of seven seasons? Six? And that's not even touching on Angel.
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Post by jasonpogo on Jan 30, 2017 18:00:08 GMT
Buffy the Vampire Slayer had, what, five near-apocalypses over the course of seven seasons? Yup and by the end the show was a convoluted mess (still loved it though). Dose not say much for the writing in Dragon Age.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 30, 2017 18:10:11 GMT
Buffy the Vampire Slayer had, what, five near-apocalypses over the course of seven seasons? Yup and by the end the show was a convoluted mess (still loved it though). Debatable. The First Evil was not a particularly good villain (ironically), but the season on the whole was still pretty decent. Still, I have no issue with how many near-apocalypses the world has averted. This is the Dragon Age - a time of great upheaval. This is when shit is supposed to go down.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 30, 2017 18:39:09 GMT
So in Dragon Age Origins we had to fight the dark spawn. A scary monster race bent on destroying the world. In Dragon Age 2 we fought lyrium? Then in Dragon Age Inquisition we fought a dark spawn god bent on destroying the world. In Dragon Age 4 we will be fighting an elven god bent on destroying the world. I mean how many things can try and destroy the world in a what 30 year span... Another enlightened soul ... welcome! There is no "kinda" about it. This is spectacle creep in all it's fulsome glory. It's not sustainable. By the time we get to DA5, the PC will be fighting to save the Universe from a Galactus/Krona team-up. Then what?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 19:10:28 GMT
as much as you want really
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 30, 2017 19:34:57 GMT
Buffy the Vampire Slayer had, what, five near-apocalypses over the course of seven seasons? Six? And that's not even touching on Angel. Kirkwall was basically a Hellmouth. Does this make Solas Glory or Evil Willow?
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Post by Lazarillo on Jan 30, 2017 19:44:12 GMT
There is no "kinda" about it. This is spectacle creep in all it's fulsome glory. It's not sustainable. By the time we get to DA5, the PC will be fighting to save the Universe from a Galactus/Krona team-up. Then what? This is exactly why I want/hope for DA4 to tone it back down. Make dealing with Fen'harel an issue, but don't make the mistake of having it be a climactic confrontation. I'm generally okay with Inquisition being what it was, so long as they don't attempt to redo it. Every Dragon Age game should go a different route, IMO. DA should be less of a "series", essentially, and more of "anthology". Doubly so because cliffhangers don't work so well when you have five years between games. Fingers crossed.
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Post by phoray on Jan 30, 2017 19:49:09 GMT
Dragons appeared Fereldan broke free of Orlais King goes missing Civil War AND a Blight Kirkwall Is a hellmouth, but also we fought Qunari and released a Dark spawn Magister--- That we then fought in DAI Which distracted us from the true antagonist-- Solas, an ancient elven rebel god. While we ended an Orlesian Civil War and settled the fight, for now, between mages and Templars
But next game we are fighting:
The Qunari The Grey Wardens Solas And having a Tevinter Rebellion And Titans! Will be in there somewhere
What corner have they written themselves into? They have a lot of stuff to write about
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Post by fylimar on Jan 30, 2017 19:53:15 GMT
Buffy the Vampire Slayer had, what, five near-apocalypses over the course of seven seasons? Six? And that's not even touching on Angel. Kirkwall was basically a Hellmouth. Does this make Solas Glory or Evil Willow? Let him be Glory - he could do the face changing with Flemeth I would have thrown in Supernatural for End of the world scenarios, but Buffy is as good an example, if not better
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Post by phoray on Jan 30, 2017 20:00:21 GMT
I asked my husband.
"Why would we want to play a videogame where nothing was happening?"
He grins. "Seinfeld, the video game."
Hahahaha
I expect the Tevinter Rebellion, the Qunari war, and Solas to be the base game.
Expect the Grey Wardens and the Titans to be DLC
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 30, 2017 20:24:41 GMT
Kirkwall was basically a Hellmouth. Does this make Solas Glory or Evil Willow? Let him be Glory - he could do the face changing with Flemeth LMAO, I forgot about that part! It's perfect. And I guess Morrigan or whoever drank from the WoS is the Key... or is that OGB Kieran..?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 30, 2017 20:25:06 GMT
Dragons appeared Fereldan broke free of Orlais King goes missing Civil War AND a Blight Kirkwall Is a hellmouth, but also we fought Qunari and released a Dark spawn Magister--- That we then fought in DAI Which distracted us from the true antagonist-- Solas, an ancient elven rebel god. While we ended an Orlesian Civil War and settled the fight, for now, between mages and Templars But next game we are fighting: The Qunari The Grey Wardens Solas And having a Tevinter Rebellion And Titans! Will be in there somewhere What corner have they written themselves into? They have a lot of stuff to write about The "corner" isn't about options for one-upping the previous installment. You're right, there is an infinite number of options for doing that. The "corner" is in the House of Credulity. Meaning, as each succeeding crisis gets absurdly bigger and bigger for one person to deal with, how long before you can no longer suspend your disbelief and leave the house in disgust?
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 30, 2017 20:27:15 GMT
Also, about the escalation of events: I don't think it's that drastic. I mean, obviously it's on a bigger scale, but I figure the next game miiiiight focus on Tevinter and the Qunari? And even with Solas looming in the background, that's no small threat. Sort of like how the Arishok was a really intense (and popular) antagonist despite Corypheus in Legacy being a much "bigger deal", lore-wise.
edit: Not that Solas won't be the man-behind-the-man or the real Big Bad of DA4. I think he ultimately will be. But I don't think that lessens the threat of... other things going on.
Like, the Blight was a big deal, but I remember more about Loghain than the Archdemon.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 30, 2017 20:28:07 GMT
The "corner" is in the House of Credulity. Meaning, as the each succeeding crisis gets absurdly bigger and bigger for one person to deal with, how long before you can no longer suspend your disbelief, and leave the house in disgust? You shift down to smaller crises that nonetheless require a lot of effort. I bet they could make a whole game about the end of slavery in Tevinter.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 30, 2017 20:29:59 GMT
You shit to smaller crises that nonetheless require a lot of effort. I bet they could make a whole game about the end of slavery in Tevinter. *shift Agreed, this is the direction I hope they go. And if they have to do spin-offs, like Rogue One is to the Star Wars series, to pull off the downsizing, even better.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 30, 2017 20:30:49 GMT
Oh fork. I really shot the bed there, didn't I?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 30, 2017 20:46:14 GMT
Really DA2 was the interlude where you only save Kirkwall from the Qunari and then Anders blows it up. No real world saving stuff there but you do play a part in activating the next part of the main overall story, which is red lyrium.
The whole thing is interlinked and they are steadily building to a climax, which hopefully will explain everything. We started the series with the myth about the darkspawn and everything seems to be pointing to the origins of the taint being the answer. So we have not been involved in separate world saving events but interconnected world saving events.
The name of the age was given because the Divine foresaw it would be a time of great change. Flemeth has hinted twice now, in DA2 and DAI, that this is imminent. The Inquisitor was a "Herald of Change" rather than Andraste. So even if it doesn't happen in the next game, it will probably come in the one after. Then that will be the end of the Dragon Age but hopefully not of Thedas and a new plot cycle can begin (if they want it to).
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 30, 2017 20:47:57 GMT
Fingers crossed for the next installment: Nug Age.
It'll be a time of much shmooples, very squeak.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 30, 2017 21:02:44 GMT
So in Dragon Age Origins we had to fight the dark spawn. A scary monster race bent on destroying the world. In Dragon Age 2 we fought lyrium? Then in Dragon Age Inquisition we fought a dark spawn god bent on destroying the world. In Dragon Age 4 we will be fighting an elven god bent on destroying the world. I mean how many things can try and destroy the world in a what 30 year span... Another enlightened soul ... welcome! There is no "kinda" about it. This is spectacle creep in all it's fulsome glory. It's not sustainable. By the time we get to DA5, the PC will be fighting to save the Universe from a Galactus/Krona team-up. Then what? Yeah, it's spectacle creep, no question. But they can definitely change gears in future games. I'd love an explorer-style game down the line, pushing past the boundaries of our map and uncovering the origins of our races.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 30, 2017 21:10:27 GMT
Prequels. That's the remedy. Still tons of epicness, but with no need to one-up the chronologically succeeding iteration, because it's already happened!
Imagine a game about the Rise of Arlathan. Or the Fall of Arlathan. Or the first Exalted March. Or the first Blight and the fall of the dwarven empire. Or the rise of Drakon and Ameridan. So much in lore to draw from.
Even Andraste -- though the complete story of Andraste can't be covered, due to Bioware not wanting to confirm/deny the Maker -- the immediate aftermath of the fall of Andraste would be really interesting. Start the game the day after her death.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 30, 2017 21:22:19 GMT
In the words of a wise Inquisitor, "Can one thing in this fucking world just stay fixed?!" Prequels. That's the remedy. Still tons of epicness, but with no need to one-up the chronologically succeeding iteration, because it's already happened! Imagine a game about the Rise of Arlathan. Or the Fall of Arlathan. Or the first Exalted March. Or the first Blight and the fall of the dwarven empire. Or the rise of Drakon and Ameridan. So much in lore to draw from. Even Andraste -- though the complete story of Andraste can't be covered, due to Bioware not wanting to confirm/deny the Maker -- the immediate aftermath of the fall of Andraste would be really interesting. Start the game the day after her death. YES. I understand the desire for some things to remain a mystery, because that ambiguity is interesting... but I would love to have some solid prequels. I'd love to experience the Fourth Blight, or the First. I'd love to experience ancient Arlathan and not in the way Solas intends. But I'd also be fine with shooting forward in time. An Age or two. Time enough for our current heroes to become legends and for a whole new set of crises to take shape.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 30, 2017 21:38:32 GMT
I don't think the escalation has gotten too bad.
I would like them to deescalate a bit once this Solas business is done with though, to "re-ground" the franchise a bit. I'm still hoping for my pirate themed game set in Antiva, Rivain and Llomeryn, with a captured dreadnaut as our home base. Introduce some new more ground level villains rather than pulling them all from the pages of past codex entries.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jan 30, 2017 21:51:53 GMT
You shift down to smaller crises that nonetheless require a lot of effort. I bet they could make a whole game about the end of slavery in Tevinter. I think rather than shifting to smaller crises, shift it to where it's less about solving those crises. DA2 is a really good example, actually. Hawke doesn't start or end a war with the Qunari, or with the Mages and Templars, but has to deal with the effects of strife within all those groups. Taking the list that Phoray posted above, rather than DA4 being one in which we make peace with the Qunari, learn what the Grey Wardens are up to, raise the Titans, and stop Solas, etc, etc, DA4 should be a game where all of those things are in play, and our characters move forward and excel for themselves amidst the strife, not by being the chosen one to bring it all to a close. I do want to see the Fen'harel stuff resolved, if only because that, to me, is just the least compelling. I'm more interested in the present and future of Thedas than in its past.
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