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Post by shechinah on May 11, 2017 19:32:02 GMT
If even half half of his stories are true, Ser Aaron is probably a pretty decent guy. He's a drunkard and a bit of a nitwit, but he's no racist. I'm interested to see more about their relationship. He seems oblivious to her thieving, but I'm curious about how she views him. I don't have a good sense for that yet. Huh, that sounds like an interesting dynamic.
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Post by shechinah on May 11, 2017 19:36:20 GMT
Well, she'll never come close to matching that font of distinct personality traits known as Marius. *snip* You can just feel the exuberance coming off him in waves! There is this party banter where Varric asks Fenris if they hold brooding competitions in Tevinter and give a prize to the one with the best scowl. I am now fully convinced that is 100% fact. The only question left is who would win a scowl off: Fenris or Marius. Fenris. Definitely Fenris: he puts actual feeling into his scowls and gives them character. Marius' scowls are at best, grumpy and at worst, blank and generic meaning their scowlability is questionable in best and worst cases. Allow me to present comparison: Fenris was the champion of the Tevinter Imperium's Scowlathon several years in a row until he escaped. True story. Note: there's no scowlathon category for magisters. There's the Tevinter Imperium's Smugathon instead. Danarius was the champion of that for several years until his death. Also true story.
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Post by Heimdall on May 11, 2017 19:41:20 GMT
As to the presence of Meredith's statue, my guess is that the writers just decided it was too cool a set piece not to revisit at least once if we're visiting Kirkwall anyway..
And it isn't exactly a big deal.
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Post by Rascoth on May 11, 2017 19:46:45 GMT
Allow me to present comparison: Dem quality close-ups :dirty: ... Ekhm... moving on.
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Post by thats1evildude on May 11, 2017 21:20:12 GMT
Ser Aaron just got added to Heroes of Dragon Age. That was FAST. @heroesofdaNot a soul in Thedas could hit harder, drink longer or tell a better tale than 2-Star Ser Aaron Hawthorne. At least, if you ask him. Vaea got added too, but they haven't tweeted any art of her yet.
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Post by Hrungr on May 11, 2017 21:31:42 GMT
Ser Aaron just got added to Heroes of Dragon Age. That was FAST. @heroesofdaNot a soul in Thedas could hit harder, drink longer or tell a better tale than 2-Star Ser Aaron Hawthorne. At least, if you ask him. Vaea got added too, but they haven't tweeted any art of her yet. Strange they have him in Warden Armor here (unless he secretly is a Warden...).
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Post by thats1evildude on May 11, 2017 22:41:03 GMT
Ser Aaron just got added to Heroes of Dragon Age. That was FAST. @heroesofdaNot a soul in Thedas could hit harder, drink longer or tell a better tale than 2-Star Ser Aaron Hawthorne. At least, if you ask him. Vaea got added too, but they haven't tweeted any art of her yet. Strange they have him in Warden Armor here (unless he secretly is a Warden...). He was at Ostagar ... and he doesn't like talking about the battle ... 😮
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Post by Iddy on May 12, 2017 13:08:18 GMT
It occurs to me that Vaea wants to be a knight... but she is a rogue.
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I read the issue. Good start so far, it was actually really nice to see Kirkwall again. I felt a little homesick! It might be the art style but Varric looks a bit like a creep. It's the heavy stubble, black in the comic but generally lighter in the games, and his constant grin which make him look oily. And his nickname for Vaea, Fingers, seems a bit creepy. And he kisses her hand which...I just don't envision Varric ever doing. Unless it's to subtly mock a fancy Orlesian like the de Launcets.
And while it's totally in character for Viscount Tethras to want to avoid a royal retinue wherever he goes, I think it would have made sense for a throw away line about him sneaking away from his entourage whenever he is on his own. He's at the docks by himself and alone in Lowtown at night, which seems like something Aveline would never allow.
Ser Aaron seems like a really fun character. I wonder how much he knows/authorizes Vaea's nighttime activities and how much he is oblivious to. I thought it was pretty funny that his stories both involved him getting between warring parties and serving as peacemaker.
Finally, I was surprised that Meredith's red lyrium statue hasn't spread to the rest of the Gallows. Given the war table reports on Kirkwall having red lyrium everywhere I feel this was an artistic oversight. It seems like overkill to make the Gallows so forbidden if it's just the one lyrium statue. I wanted to see clumps around the entire courtyard.
So is that Charter at the end? I wonder whether Varric is considered the Inquisition member who's been lied to or someone else. It was a good start, I think Vaea and Ser Aaron had good characterization for the short story arc. I am curious to see where it goes and what other cameos we will see. We know Sebastian will appear in a later issue, at least.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 16:59:28 GMT
I read the digital version. If the series proves good, I might spring for the trade. A promising start. The art's a little rough in spots, but certainly not bad. The characters are likeable. A couple of thoughts on the story: Although Mike Laidlaw says this is set pre-Trespasser, it must be set pre-Trespasser for two reasons: 1) The Meredith statue is still in the Gallows, and a codex in Trespasser says it was removed. Mind you, that could be an error. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Varric_and_the_Last_Few_Years2) Charter still says she represents the Inquisition. Mind you, I don't think the Inquisition dissolved immediately at the end of Trespasser; it would take a while for an organization of that size to disassemble. And Charter could just be throwing the Inquisition's name around. Do you mean Laidlaw said this is set post-Trespasser? Because I agree with your thought that it's pre. Vaea arrives on the eve of Varric's inauguration, which has already occurred in Trespasser. And the Meredith statue reference in the codex you mentioned.
And yeah, regardless of whether the Inquisition folded into the Chantry or became a shadow organization, Charter would not mention the Inquisition as an independent organization to a complete stranger under either of those circumstances. She probably wouldn't be wearing an Inquisition uniform, either. As to the presence of Meredith's statue, my guess is that the writers just decided it was too cool a set piece not to revisit at least once if we're visiting Kirkwall anyway.. And it isn't exactly a big deal. Eh, the status of Meredith's statue is a big deal, I would say. It's a symbol of the previous regime, it makes the Gallows inaccessible to anyone, it has the thread of spreading red lyrium to the rest of the city, which we see in Trespasser did occur. I don't think it's a minor detail which should be handwaved. Strange they have him in Warden Armor here (unless he secretly is a Warden...). He was at Ostagar ... and he doesn't like talking about the battle ... 😮 Maybe he's a reverse Blackwall. He is a Warden and pretends not to be. It occurs to me that Vaea wants to be a knight... but she is a rogue. We did see the templar archers in DA2 which I believe were rogue class. So it's not impossible for someone with a rogue background to be considered for a martial profession. Ser Aaron claims to be a landless knight, which we also haven't seen before, I believe, so there seems to be flexibility in these. Plus, we don't even know if she actually wants to be a knight or whether she's using her position as squire to accomplish her personal goals. She could claim to want to become a knight without having any true intention of doing so.
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Post by Heimdall on May 12, 2017 17:22:36 GMT
As to the presence of Meredith's statue, my guess is that the writers just decided it was too cool a set piece not to revisit at least once if we're visiting Kirkwall anyway.. And it isn't exactly a big deal. Eh, the status of Meredith's statue is a big deal, I would say. It's a symbol of the previous regime, it makes the Gallows inaccessible to anyone, it has the thread of spreading red lyrium to the rest of the city, which we see in Trespasser did occur. I don't think it's a minor detail which should be handwaved. Eh, less a symbol of the previous regime and more the corpse of it. And the Gallows is already inaccessible and isolated by design, Meredith's presence does not pose an immediate threat to the city. Its not like anyone had much use for the structure after the mages left. I don't see them necessarily having such urgency to do away with it. Whether the statue is removed before or after Trespasser does not make much of a difference. As to the idea of red lyrium growing from her, I actually thought the reference to magic rocks had something to do with the the rifts in the Fade, seeing as that reference comes immediately after the thank you for closing them. I could be wrong, I need to read that letter again. Otherwise I'm not sure how such a quantity of red lyrium could have wound up in the harbor. Though I'm now wondering if maybe there's a timeskip and most of the story does end up happening later. That would make this all click, assuming Laidlaw is correct.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 17:38:21 GMT
Eh, the status of Meredith's statue is a big deal, I would say. It's a symbol of the previous regime, it makes the Gallows inaccessible to anyone, it has the thread of spreading red lyrium to the rest of the city, which we see in Trespasser did occur. I don't think it's a minor detail which should be handwaved. Eh, less a symbol of the previous regime and more the corpse of it. And the Gallows is already inaccessible and isolated by design, Meredith's presence does not pose an immediate threat to the city. Its not like anyone had much use for the structure after the mages left. I don't see them necessarily having such urgency to do away with it. Whether the statue is removed before or after Trespasser does not make much of a difference. As to the idea of red lyrium growing from her, I actually thought the reference to magic rocks had something to do with the the rifts in the Fade, seeing as that reference comes immediately after the thank you for closing them. I could be wrong, I need to read that letter again. Otherwise I'm not sure how such a quantity of red lyrium could have wound up in the harbor. Though I'm now wondering if maybe there's a timeskip and most of the story does end up happening later. That would make this all click, assuming Laidlaw is correct. I was incorrectly remembering. I was thinking of the war table snippets in Aiding Kirkwall with Cullen. He is sending soldiers to help clean up the red lyrium in the Gallows. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Aiding_Kirkwall"Cullen - Red lyrium may present an obstacle to rebuilding the city. Our soldiers can assist in its removal. Cullen Rebuilding efforts are progressing well, but there is little we can do about the red lyrium. It seems impossible to destroy. The Gallows, where it is most concentrated, must be placed under quarantine. Our soldiers are handling it as we speak. Cullen" Granted, this is still pre-Trespasser, so the Gallows could have been cleaned up by the time this comic begins. But I'm reading the comic as occurring in the 2 year gap between main DAI and Trespasser.
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Post by Heimdall on May 12, 2017 17:51:54 GMT
Eh, less a symbol of the previous regime and more the corpse of it. And the Gallows is already inaccessible and isolated by design, Meredith's presence does not pose an immediate threat to the city. Its not like anyone had much use for the structure after the mages left. I don't see them necessarily having such urgency to do away with it. Whether the statue is removed before or after Trespasser does not make much of a difference. As to the idea of red lyrium growing from her, I actually thought the reference to magic rocks had something to do with the the rifts in the Fade, seeing as that reference comes immediately after the thank you for closing them. I could be wrong, I need to read that letter again. Otherwise I'm not sure how such a quantity of red lyrium could have wound up in the harbor. Though I'm now wondering if maybe there's a timeskip and most of the story does end up happening later. That would make this all click, assuming Laidlaw is correct. I was incorrectly remembering. I was thinking of the war table snippets in Aiding Kirkwall with Cullen. He is sending soldiers to help clean up the red lyrium in the Gallows. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Aiding_Kirkwall"Cullen - Red lyrium may present an obstacle to rebuilding the city. Our soldiers can assist in its removal. Cullen Rebuilding efforts are progressing well, but there is little we can do about the red lyrium. It seems impossible to destroy. The Gallows, where it is most concentrated, must be placed under quarantine. Our soldiers are handling it as we speak. Cullen" Granted, this is still pre-Trespasser, so the Gallows could have been cleaned up by the time this comic begins. But I'm reading the comic as occurring in the 2 year gap between main DAI and Trespasser. That is what it reads like. Though both that and Varric's note from Trespasser are unclear about what other red lyrium there is besides Meredith. From the comic, it looks like the Gallows are still being quarantined.
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Post by thats1evildude on May 12, 2017 17:58:24 GMT
During DAI, it seemed like the red lyrium in the Gallows was growing out of control. However, Varric's codex in Trespasser indicates that they managed to clear most of it away.
They were working on this problem during DAI proper, so it's obvious that some kind of disposal method was worked out.
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Post by azarhal on May 12, 2017 18:08:41 GMT
They were working on this problem during DAI proper, so it's obvious that some kind of disposal method was worked out. They probably just had Cassandra shield bash it all into dust, at least that's how I did Varric's "destroy lyrium" quest in DAI.
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I was incorrectly remembering. I was thinking of the war table snippets in Aiding Kirkwall with Cullen. He is sending soldiers to help clean up the red lyrium in the Gallows. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Aiding_Kirkwall"Cullen - Red lyrium may present an obstacle to rebuilding the city. Our soldiers can assist in its removal. Cullen Rebuilding efforts are progressing well, but there is little we can do about the red lyrium. It seems impossible to destroy. The Gallows, where it is most concentrated, must be placed under quarantine. Our soldiers are handling it as we speak. Cullen" Granted, this is still pre-Trespasser, so the Gallows could have been cleaned up by the time this comic begins. But I'm reading the comic as occurring in the 2 year gap between main DAI and Trespasser. That is what it reads like. Though both that and Varric's note from Trespasser are unclear about what other red lyrium there is besides Meredith. From the comic, it looks like the Gallows are still being quarantined. During DAI, it seemed like the red lyrium in the Gallows was growing out of control. However, Varric's codex in Trespasser indicates that they managed to clear most of it away. They were working on this problem during DAI proper, so it's obvious that some kind of disposal method was worked out. Agreed. Based on the ambient dialogue in the EdL keep about researching destroying red lyrium as well as the difference in the war table's stance of "we can't clear it" to Varric's Trespasser codex as "we cleared it" I think that's good supporting evidence that the comics take place around the one to one and a half year mark between defeating Cory and the start of Trespasser. It would make sense if the Inquisition (with a guilty Bianca's help?) researched a safe method of disposing of red lyrium after Cory's threat was gone. We know that the Inquisitor was busy closing rifts in that 2 year period, so it would make sense that other members of the Inquisition would be helping with other clean up efforts.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 19:36:17 GMT
They were working on this problem during DAI proper, so it's obvious that some kind of disposal method was worked out. They probably just had Cassandra shield bash it all into dust, at least that's how I did Varric's "destroy lyrium" quest in DAI. Aveline equipped all of her guards with big signs that say "Don't" on them to whack the red lyrium
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Post by Rascoth on May 12, 2017 19:40:57 GMT
They probably just had Cassandra shield bash it all into dust, at least that's how I did Varric's "destroy lyrium" quest in DAI. Aveline equipped all of her guards with big signs that say "Don't" on them to whack the red lyrium That would work perfectly.
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Post by midnight tea on May 12, 2017 19:41:04 GMT
Eh, the status of Meredith's statue is a big deal, I would say. It's a symbol of the previous regime, it makes the Gallows inaccessible to anyone, it has the thread of spreading red lyrium to the rest of the city, which we see in Trespasser did occur. I don't think it's a minor detail which should be handwaved. There's one possibility I don't see considered though: the comic might have began pre-Trespasser - but because it'll end post-Trespasser, it'll ultimately have post-Trespasser stuff. We have no idea what timeline the comic will actually have, and Magekiller began pre-Breach, but ended with characters contributing to closing the Breach after Corypheus rips it open again, so...
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Eh, the status of Meredith's statue is a big deal, I would say. It's a symbol of the previous regime, it makes the Gallows inaccessible to anyone, it has the thread of spreading red lyrium to the rest of the city, which we see in Trespasser did occur. I don't think it's a minor detail which should be handwaved. There's one possibility I don't see considered though: the comic might have began pre-Trespasser - but because it'll end post-Trespasser, it'll ultimately have post-Trespasser stuff. We have no idea what timeline the comic will actually have, and Magekiller began pre-Breach, but ended with characters contributing to closing the Breach after Corypheus rips it open again, so... Definitely. I wouldn't be surprised if this comic series is to segue into the idea of Inquisition agents who will be searching for Solas (TM) between Trespasser and DA4. I'm curious if Charter will be conscripting Vaea as an agent for the secret Inquisition by the end of the series.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 0:03:30 GMT
If even half half of his stories are true, Ser Aaron is probably a pretty decent guy. He's a drunkard and a bit of a nitwit, but he's no racist. I'm interested to see more about their relationship. He seems oblivious to her thieving, but I'm curious about how she views him. I don't have a good sense for that yet. I don't think Ser Aaron is oblivious to her stealing. I believe his last tale is about Vaea, she was the one who tried to steal the Vhenadahl sapling back from Arl Gell. I'm guessing that is how she became his squire, *as in I'm guessing he stepped in and made her his squire to keep her from being executed for getting caught trying to steal the sapling. You know, like a Warden would do. He just makes the story more palatable for the nobles.* *Edited for clarity
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Post by Heimdall on May 13, 2017 1:43:03 GMT
I'm interested to see more about their relationship. He seems oblivious to her thieving, but I'm curious about how she views him. I don't have a good sense for that yet. I don't think Ser Aaron is oblivious to her stealing. I believe his last tale is about Vaea, she was the one who tried to steal the Vhenadahl sapling back from Arl Gell. I'm guessing that is how she became his squire. Well, yes, but my impression is that he seems oblivious to her current activities beyond her service as his squire.
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I don't think Ser Aaron is oblivious to her stealing. I believe his last tale is about Vaea, she was the one who tried to steal the Vhenadahl sapling back from Arl Gell. I'm guessing that is how she became his squire. Well, yes, but my impression is that he seems oblivious to her current activities beyond her service as his squire. Could be. For me, his expression when he starts to tell Vaea's story, combined with when Aaron says he "hopes whatever prosperity [Vaea] found by [his] side would be shared with her people," made me think he knew what she was up to. Maybe not the exact details, but he knows she plays Robin Hood in her spare time for the city elves. *I edited my previous post to better clarify what I meant.
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Post by Heimdall on May 15, 2017 13:55:29 GMT
Well, yes, but my impression is that he seems oblivious to her current activities beyond her service as his squire. Could be. For me, his expression when he starts to tell Vaea's story, combined with when Aaron says he "hopes whatever prosperity [Vaea] found by [his] side would be shared with her people," made me think he knew what she was up to. Maybe not the exact details, but he knows she plays Robin Hood in her spare time for the city elves. *I edited my previous post to better clarify what I meant. I actually thought she looked a little guilty when he said that, which might suggest that her thieving wasn't what he had in mind.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 15:42:40 GMT
I am predicting that he knows about her activities but doesn't mention anything, but she thinks he's clueless. He's going to be a perceptive drunk type character who actually sees more than he lets on and isn't as inebriated as he appears.
I have to say, I think this first episode did a really good job of establishing both of them as characters. Magekiller did a good job in establishing Tevinter as a setting but the characters were a bit flat, and the other DA comics rely on pre-established characters from the games. So it's nice to see a new cast of characters in comic format where they're already engaging from the start. I hope the series continues this way.
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