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Post by Kei on Apr 13, 2017 12:02:13 GMT
And I liked the corrupted Chantry and the prison-Circles. Was very good to hate the system and to see how crashed the system. And I like to see, that we can rebuild the Chantry from the ashes DAI lets you becomes de facto head of a religion and someone who has enough influence to decide who *actually* becomes the head of that religion, despite never showing you demonstrate any piety or belief whatsoever and allowing you to completely trash and denigrate that religion to the faces of believers.Its pure wish fulfillment to have religion changed by someone raised to this level in extraordinary circumstance and then using that to try and change what the faith is and what it stands for, what its values and practices are. Please let's not pretend the storyline in DA:I is anything like believable. Its allowing to enforce and encourage reform on a radical scale because you have magic powers that can save the world. Religious reform is a necessary and complex beast - it isn't as easy as waving a wand and changing things. You can't just say 'Oh, well I know we've believed *this* for centuries, but I think what Jesus was *trying* to say and *probably* meant was...' I think Bioware need to stop with these overly simplified solutions to complex problems. For people who are ascribed such liberal views, their games sure do like to have a single, Nietzche esque Super Man come along and cut through all the bereaucratic (and democratic) red tape and determine what Morality is acceptable. Have some savior figure come and save us from our inaction and then be showered with accolades for their Might and Wisdom. It's such nonsense. Worse they even planned to make any Inquisitor a possible Divine,thanks God they didn't had enough money to make that outcome.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 13, 2017 12:18:50 GMT
DAI lets you becomes de facto head of a religion and someone who has enough influence to decide who *actually* becomes the head of that religion, despite never showing you demonstrate any piety or belief whatsoever and allowing you to completely trash and denigrate that religion to the faces of believers.Its pure wish fulfillment to have religion changed by someone raised to this level in extraordinary circumstance and then using that to try and change what the faith is and what it stands for, what its values and practices are. Please let's not pretend the storyline in DA:I is anything like believable. Its allowing to enforce and encourage reform on a radical scale because you have magic powers that can save the world. Religious reform is a necessary and complex beast - it isn't as easy as waving a wand and changing things. You can't just say 'Oh, well I know we've believed *this* for centuries, but I think what Jesus was *trying* to say and *probably* meant was...' I think Bioware need to stop with these overly simplified solutions to complex problems. For people who are ascribed such liberal views, their games sure do like to have a single, Nietzche esque Super Man come along and cut through all the bereaucratic (and democratic) red tape and determine what Morality is acceptable. Have some savior figure come and save us from our inaction and then be showered with accolades for their Might and Wisdom. It's such nonsense. Wrote I, that this is "believable"? I suppose I wrote: "I like it"... I even didn't speak about a complex religious reform: I spoke about a revolution. This was satisfying, after what I experienced in the Circle of Ferelden, as Surana. (By the way: Leliana and Cassandra believable, they are heirs of Justinia – Vivienne, a mage, who absolutely didn't show any faith, just weird choice, I agree. And don't forget: Inquisitor only can SUPPORT the new Divine, s/he not among the electorate. – But probably much more believable, that a human/elf can selects the dwarf king...)
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Post by Harpie Lady on Apr 23, 2017 12:48:46 GMT
I sent dozen of times Loghain and Alistair to their death,so the Dragon was completly murdered in body and spirit,so the job was completed.I will for sure not spend a single tear for DR players if Solas will cause issues with that soul,their selfishness deserve the greatest punishment,so go on Solas kill them all.
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Post by piratesnugglecakes on Apr 24, 2017 17:18:24 GMT
My first playthrough I let Loghain kill the archdemon. My 'official' ending for DAI was Morrigan's ritual. In DAA, my Warden went through the mirror with her. So for me, my Warden had already diappeared.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 9:53:56 GMT
Always did the DA.
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Post by jaison1986 on Apr 25, 2017 15:54:01 GMT
Dark ritual. I already lost too much for the bloody wardens. So yeah, I took the selfish way out just to spite them
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Post by Aren on Apr 26, 2017 1:37:59 GMT
Dark ritual. I already lost too much for the bloody wardens. So yeah, I took the selfish way out just to spite them As we say on our side of the pond, if you spit in the sky that may come back in your face.
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Post by jaison1986 on Apr 26, 2017 2:22:58 GMT
Dark ritual. I already lost too much for the bloody wardens. So yeah, I took the selfish way out just to spite them As we say on our side of the pond, if you spit in the sky that may come back in your face. The wardens spitted first. I certanly have no regreats.
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Post by Harpie Lady on Apr 26, 2017 10:34:04 GMT
Dark ritual. I already lost too much for the bloody wardens. So yeah, I took the selfish way out just to spite them As we say on our side of the pond, if you spit in the sky that may come back in your face. It's like I've said before,when bald elf will begin to use such energy for his 0 mortal plan, what it matter is that they don't come back to whine in the forums about it,they took the gambles,They pay the price.
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Post by Hagoromo on Apr 26, 2017 16:39:13 GMT
Ultimate Sacrifice,I don't care about being erased. The DR was not as popular back then as people would lead us to believe,maybe it's confirmation bias on my part but I've noticed from this poll that most people seem to have done the Morrigan-baby crap, which leads me to believe most sacrifice warden players(or Reedemer and WC) from 2009 gave up on the plot long ago and decided not to re-invest in DA just like myself. But Oh well I'm mostly interested to ghater more informations about MEA that's why I'm subscribed,I don't touch DA in general from almost 8 years by now, so I don't know what happened to the series after that.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 23:22:29 GMT
The Default and the Two other favourites _______________________________
Default - Female Warrior Cousland, Alistair Romance. Queen Consort. Hardened and married King Alistair, made Alistair do the DA with Morrigan and Cousland killed Loghian.
First Amongst them - Female Amell, Alistair romance, unhardened Alistair, left Alistair a Warden, made Alistair do the DA with Morrigan and Alistair killed Loghian.
Second Amongst them - Male Warrior Cousland, Morrigan Romance. Prince Consort. Did the DA personally, allowed Alistair to kill Loghain and left him unhardened.
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Post by oyabun on May 2, 2017 16:04:50 GMT
Dark ritual. I already lost too much for the bloody wardens. So yeah, I took the selfish way out just to spite them I've heard several times this same argument over the old BioWare forum and it never made sense to me. Blaming the GW for the protagonist's own efforts makes no sense. After Ostagar Duncan was dead,and since he was dead he was unable to force anyone (much less the PC) to fight the blight,so why now you are blaming the GW for something they never did? If some players here had no intention to follow the mandate of being a GW(which includes the US because without it the Dragon doesn't die) they should have left at Lothering(The Order would have believed that they were dead in Ostagar and would have never tried to find them)rather than making all the efforts to finish the game only to blame the GW,but I guess it has become a consolidate fashion to use the GW as scapegoats,both inside and outside the games.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 5:31:44 GMT
Used the Dark Ritual in both my canon playthroughs. Mainly because i didn't want my Warden or Alistair to die. Did i trust Morrigan? Well yes and no. Of course her intentions are selfish, but i always had a soft spot for her friendship arc, and that made it easier to go along with her request. Granted, It is easier to make that choice now knowing how DA:I plays out.
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Post by Hagoromo on May 3, 2017 10:32:03 GMT
It's like I've said before,when bald elf will begin to use such energy for his 0 mortal plan, what it matter is that they don't come back to whine in the forums about it,they took the gambles,They pay the price. Mind blowing. I've seen the ending of DAI+Trespasser, so now I know of what you was talking about because at first I was unable to grasp anything. Well if I haven't understood it wrong, how is that a good outcome? Why @akrabra said that nothing happened?
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Post by Catilina on May 3, 2017 10:36:29 GMT
It's like I've said before,when bald elf will begin to use such energy for his 0 mortal plan, what it matter is that they don't come back to whine in the forums about it,they took the gambles,They pay the price. Mind blowing. I've seen the ending of DAI+Trespasser, so now I know of what you was talking about because at first I was unable to grasp anything. Well if I haven't understood it wrong, how is that a good outcome? Why @akrabra said that nothing happened? It depends on what it thinks fit "good outcome"...
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Post by Hagoromo on May 3, 2017 10:46:35 GMT
Mind blowing. I've seen the ending of DAI+Trespasser, so now I know of what you was talking about because at first I was unable to grasp anything. Well if I haven't understood it wrong, how is that a good outcome? Why @akrabra said that nothing happened? It depends on what it thinks fit "good outcome"... An elven god who has merged with an old god and wish to kill all mortals? How is that good? I thought the sacrifice of DAO was there just for drama sake,I didn't expected that it had the power to prevent something like this.
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Post by ryderflynn on May 3, 2017 11:00:08 GMT
I definitely did the Dark Ritual. Haven't played Inquisition yet, but for my particular Warden, a dwarf no less, she didn't have the loyalty to the surfacers to sacrifice her own life, and she obviously wouldn't want Alistair, her love interest, to take the mantle either. Regardless of what it might mean for the future, I think it was an impossible choice to not pick when it comes to Wardens as emotional as her. You've gotta be some kind of stoic self-sacrificing hero to not take the dark ritual route. It doesn't help that the Warden wasn't told about all the consequences that might come when one drinks the Tainted Blood, making him (or her) even less of a hero than he could've been had he learned that you only get 30 years or less of lifespan. See, if the Warden had knew that and would drink the blood anyway, I could easily believe that he would never risk something like the Dark Ritual just to foolishly sacrifice himself.
Anyway, it might have been a shortsighted decision, but it befits the flawed nature of my Warden anyway.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on May 3, 2017 11:12:38 GMT
I think it was an impossible choice to not pick when it comes to Wardens as emotional as her. You've gotta be some kind of stoic self-sacrificing hero to not take the dark ritual route. So, it requires to be a Stoic hero in order to reject something as reckless as the DR?Nosense. Even with the evil Warden that I had made for fun I've rejected it,on the ground that there was the chance of the "purified old god soul" being able to emitt the calling and luring darkspawns on the surface post blight,because that's what untainted old gods do all the time,emitt the calling. Obviously a risk most players don't even care about to ponderate because they take everything for granted.
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Post by Hagoromo on May 3, 2017 11:26:13 GMT
I think it was an impossible choice to not pick when it comes to Wardens as emotional as her. You've gotta be some kind of stoic self-sacrificing hero to not take the dark ritual route. there was the chance of the "purified old god soul" being able to emitt the calling and luring darkspawns on the surface post blight,because that's what untainted old gods do all the time,emitt the calling. I've never thought about that issue myself,I admit I'm not that expert on DA lore,but it makes sense. I wonder why the child is unable to emit the song if it has inherited the AD soul?
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Post by ryderflynn on May 3, 2017 11:26:14 GMT
I think it was an impossible choice to not pick when it comes to Wardens as emotional as her. You've gotta be some kind of stoic self-sacrificing hero to not take the dark ritual route. So, it requires to be a Stoic hero in order to reject something as reckless as the DR?Nosense. Even with the evil Warden that I had made for fun I've rejected it,on the ground that there was the chance of the "purified old god soul" being able to emitt the calling and luring darkspawns on the surface post blight,because that's what untainted old gods do all the time,emitt the calling. Obviously a risk most players don't even care about to ponderate because they take everything for granted. Most players or dwarves. You know, just the race that neglected to bother with Surfacer problems for generations. Just a minor detail. My dwarf Warden didn't even choose to stay and defend Ferelden during the epilogue, picking to return to Orzammar instead after her long period of exile. If you honestly think that racial indifference, something that still exists in the real world today, wouldn't affect the decision-making in this case, that's the real nonsense here. You don't need to be evil to show discrimination towards other races whether it's a big or small decision, just very human (ironic figure of speech, but you get my point). And as I said, it was an impossible choice for someone like her. Don't read too much into it and think that I was generalizing everybody.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on May 3, 2017 11:40:34 GMT
there was the chance of the "purified old god soul" being able to emitt the calling and luring darkspawns on the surface post blight,because that's what untainted old gods do all the time,emitt the calling. I've never thought about that issue myself,I admit I'm not that expert on DA lore,but it makes sense. I wonder why the child is unable to emit the song if it has inherited the AD soul? Because David Gaider said so,he makes some rules then he ignores or manipulate them if they don't favor Morrigan. It does not require the all important metaplot of the elven gods to show how sconsiderate the DR is,even not knowing about the Dread wolf. Obviously a risk most players don't even care about to ponderate because they take everything for granted. Most players or dwarves. You know, just the race that neglected to bother with Surfacer problems for generations. Just a minor detail. This is the same mistake I did when I asked about why Dwarves should care about darkspawns when they are on the surface. Darkspawns on the surface have greater chances to find women,which translate into more broodmothers,which means more darkspawns to fight for the dwarves because all the lairs of Broodmothers are,you may have guessed it, undergorund.
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Post by ryderflynn on May 3, 2017 11:43:05 GMT
Most players or dwarves. You know, just the race that neglected to bother with Surfacer problems for generations. Just a minor detail. This is the same mistake I did when I asked about why Dwarves should care about darkspawns when they are on the surface. Darkspawns on the surface have greater chances to find women,which translate into more broodmothers,which means more darkspawns to fight for the dwarves because all the lairs of Broodmothers are,you may have guessed it, undergorund. It's a mistake dwarves are largely unaware of outside of the meta reasons. In-universe, most of them either don't know enough about the Darkspawns' breeding methods to do something about it, or they're merchant castes/casteless who couldn't care less.
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Post by Hagoromo on May 3, 2017 11:57:50 GMT
@donquijote I wonder how developers will afford to make two separate narrative branches when they will make DA4,it will cost them a lot to develop the effects of both choices,I doubt that after MEA they will jusify spending this amount of resources for a single choice of a game of 2009.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on May 3, 2017 12:07:00 GMT
@donquijote I wonder how developers will afford to make two separate narrative branches when they will make DA4,it will cost them a lot to develop the effects of both choices,I doubt that after MEA they will jusify spending this amount of resources for a single choice of a game of 2009. Bioware was able to overcome the difficulties of cost production in this case,by shifting the plot from a non mandatory character(the child) to a mandatory one(Dread wolf)so it will not cost them a lot because they have to include this character in the next game regardless of player choices. This is the same mistake I did when I asked about why Dwarves should care about darkspawns when they are on the surface. Darkspawns on the surface have greater chances to find women,which translate into more broodmothers,which means more darkspawns to fight for the dwarves because all the lairs of Broodmothers are,you may have guessed it, undergorund. It's a mistake dwarves are largely unaware of outside of the meta reasons. In-universe, most of them either don't know enough about the Darkspawns' breeding methods to do something about it, or they're merchant castes/casteless who couldn't care less. That's not metaknowledge for the Warden.They have meet a Broodmother in DAO so they know how they are created. just because the others Dwarves may not know(not all of them of course as I expect for some Dwarves in Thedas to be GW,also the legion of dead should be aware of Broodmothers)that doesn't mean their lives should be gambled over it.
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