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Post by Salty Drell on Jul 20, 2017 21:48:38 GMT
It's an Iron Man suit, extremely advanced technology, I'm sure it can handle an afro. Okay, and how can it handle a teenage female body when it was made to fit an adult man? Also, how can you not see how fucking stupid it is that some teenage wonder child replaces a multi-billionaire senior nuclear scientist, and somehow manages to be his equal if not his superior? That, if anything, irked me way more than Iron Heart (what a dumb name tbh) being a black woman with an afro. To be honest, they should have made Pepper replace Tony Stark. Now she would have been an Iron Woman I'd support. And she's already an established and beloved character. But that would make too much sense and that would have been too cool and we can't have that of course. I mean, we all know that casting white women isn't "progressive" enough anymore these days, prophet Anita said so. It has to be a black, trans and preferably lesbian woman, and above all it has to piss off the old guard / traditional fans. Man, I bet you're fun at parties...
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 20, 2017 21:52:44 GMT
I find it kind of amusing to say "She's not a female version of Wolverine! She's just a genetic clone of him...that's female...and wore his costume for a while." Another person who completely misses the point. X-23 existed long prior to Wolverine dying and already established herself as a solid and beloved character before she temporarily donned Wolverine's outfit. She was not created to replace Wolverine. She was also not created by regressives and she wasn't created solely to pander to regressive millennials. That's the difference. I couldn't have missed a point that you failed to make. If your point was that they didn't give Riri Willaims enough time to come into her own before donning the Iron Man suit, fine. Say that. Don't bring up some weaksauce nitpicks like "she has an afro" (which I pointed out isn't a practical issue), "she's black" (just like another character who had replaced Tony Stark as Iron Man), and "she's a teenager" (just like X-23 was).
Anyway, the fact is that X-23 is literally a female version of Wolverine and so I was pointing out the irony of you using that as an example of a character who isn't a female version of a male one.
Out of curiosity: would you say that Riri Williams is any more an act of pandering to "regressive millenials" than Terry McGinnis's Batman Beyond?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 21:53:44 GMT
I cant remember it either...
Maybe the Teselecta??? Idk
Sorry if I sound like I'm fighting it, I don't mean to. I would absolutely love it if River and the 13th Doctor met, and if River tells the Doctor she still loves her because she's still her Doctor. It's just that I think River's sacrifice is a fixed point, and remember what happened when River changed a fixed point? (not shooting the Doctor and the universe started falling apart) But If 13 can find a way, she should totally go for it.
Haha yeah and then theres the thing when Rose tried to change her dads death and those giant winged things started killing people, not the best plan But still, it would be kinda awesome
No way! The horror! Theres She-Venom, she isnt just female, shes also black AND has claws, its just... wow It just bothers me so much Nice try but She-Venom is not black (her costume/symbiote is black), she did not replace the regular Venom and she did not have a huge fucking afro nor did she wear a physical helmet. Once again you completely miss the point and/or set up a really poor straw man.
A symbiote is a thing which bonds to its host and creates 1 entity, her alter-ego might have a different skin color but She-Venom is black, just like the Hulk is green
Youre complaining about an afro??? Hair can squash
I dont think youre getting the point either... it doesnt matter if people want to explore different variations of their characters, it can be quite a good thing creatively especially if they ARE different characters, or what-if scenarios can be good too... like wasnt there a version of Batman which was a vampire??? In many ways it would have replaced the original Batman in that universe because another Batman wouldnt exist, but its just another variation, its just something the writers wanted to explore, creative freedom but seriously like it doesnt stop any other comics from existing, it isnt like shes the ONLY Iron Man in the world, all you have to do is read another comic or watch MCU movies if something like this really does bother you for whatever reason, there are sooooooooooooo many other comics out there... I love Iron Man as much as the next person, so it isnt like im saying "I dont care about Iron Man", I love Iron Man, hes one of my favorite characters in the MCU, but sooner or later your argument basically becomes "I dont like writers having the freedom to explore other possibilities about the characters theyve created" but they cant just keep writing about the same characters forever, they have different universes and different series of comics and different idk things where they introduce new things, its just how comics work, like when marvel made all their characters zombies or something
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Jul 20, 2017 21:59:24 GMT
DR. WHO CARES LOL
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 20, 2017 22:02:47 GMT
It's an Iron Man suit, extremely advanced technology, I'm sure it can handle an afro. Okay, and how can it handle a teenage female body when it was made to fit an adult man? Also, how can you not see how fucking stupid it is that some teenage wonder child replaces a multi-billionaire senior nuclear scientist, and somehow manages to be his equal if not his superior? That, if anything, irked me way more than Iron Heart (what a dumb name tbh) being a black woman with an afro. You know what they should have done? They should have made her into some sort of gadgeteer genius who could craft her own power suit after Tony Stark's designs. That would have--Oh.
Yeah if only this took place in some kind of universe where super-intelligent teens regularly displayed amazing scientific knowledge and used that to operate as superheroes. Do you read comic books? At least this one's in college instead of high school.
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Post by Lorn on Jul 20, 2017 22:13:31 GMT
Here's female Iron Man, who isn't just female, but also black with a huge afro (how's that ever gonna fit on that helmet?) and a teenager... No way! The horror! Theres She-Venom, she isnt just female, shes also black AND has claws, its just... wow It just bothers me so much Please, we all know you're more attracted to the size of her chest than that.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 20, 2017 22:14:17 GMT
Stupid Sexy Venom.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 20, 2017 22:16:17 GMT
Obviously quite a few people who wouldn't normally, what with 'she's a woman so they must be pandering to SJW's and Progressives.' Points for you for not getting bothered over it.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Jul 20, 2017 22:17:42 GMT
DR? MORE LIKE NURSE WHO ROFL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 22:18:08 GMT
No way! The horror! Theres She-Venom, she isnt just female, shes also black AND has claws, its just... wow It just bothers me so much Please, we all know you're more attracted to the size of her chest than that. I actually prefer small boobs... although I wouldnt say no to those if I was in the Marvel universe although her claws and teeth would come in useful too no doubt
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 22:20:32 GMT
DR? MORE LIKE NURSE WHO ROFL So first you were upset about characters being females, now youre upset and resorting to troll posts because you didnt win the discussion??? Ok then
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Post by Lorn on Jul 20, 2017 22:20:42 GMT
Okay, and how can it handle a teenage female body when it was made to fit an adult man? Also, how can you not see how fucking stupid it is that some teenage wonder child replaces a multi-billionaire senior nuclear scientist, and somehow manages to be his equal if not his superior? That, if anything, irked me way more than Iron Heart (what a dumb name tbh) being a black woman with an afro. To be honest, they should have made Pepper replace Tony Stark. Now she would have been an Iron Woman I'd support. And she's already an established and beloved character. But that would make too much sense and that would have been too cool and we can't have that of course. I mean, we all know that casting white women isn't "progressive" enough anymore these days, prophet Anita said so. It has to be a black, trans and preferably lesbian woman, and above all it has to piss off the old guard / traditional fans. Man, I bet you're fun at parties...
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jul 20, 2017 22:20:47 GMT
with a huge afro (how's that ever gonna fit on that helmet?) The exact same way any very curly hair would. It's like magic. If magic were common sense.
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Post by Salty Drell on Jul 20, 2017 22:22:17 GMT
Please, we all know you're more attracted to the size of her chest than that. I actually prefer small boobs... although I wouldnt say no to those if I was in the Marvel universe although her claws and teeth would come in useful too no doubt Oh, you'd willingly submit to it wouldn't you? :sure:
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Jul 20, 2017 22:23:39 GMT
DR? MORE LIKE NURSE WHO ROFL So first you were upset about characters being females, now youre upset and resorting to troll posts because you didnt win the discussion??? Ok then
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jul 20, 2017 22:24:23 GMT
Okay, and how can it handle a teenage female body when it was made to fit an adult man? Also, how can you not see how fucking stupid it is that some teenage wonder child replaces a multi-billionaire senior nuclear scientist, and somehow manages to be his equal if not his superior? That, if anything, irked me way more than Iron Heart (what a dumb name tbh) being a black woman with an afro. You know what they should have done? They should have made her into some sort of gadgeteer genius who could craft her own power suit after Tony Stark's designs. That would have--Oh.
Yeah if only this took place in some kind of universe where super-intelligent teens regularly displayed amazing scientific knowledge and used that to operate as superheroes. Do you read comic books? At least this one's in college instead of high school.
Oh, you know what they also could have done? Is make her a protege of Tony Stark himself and made sure she didn't take his exact same moniker--Oh, wait.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jul 20, 2017 22:31:21 GMT
It's an Iron Man suit, extremely advanced technology, I'm sure it can handle an afro. Okay, and how can it handle a teenage female body when it was made to fit an adult man? Also, how can you not see how fucking stupid it is that some teenage wonder child replaces a multi-billionaire senior nuclear scientist, and somehow manages to be his equal if not his superior? That, if anything, irked me way more than Iron Heart (what a dumb name tbh) being a black woman with an afro. To be honest, they should have made Pepper replace Tony Stark. Now she would have been an Iron Woman I'd support. And she's already an established and beloved character. But that would make too much sense and that would have been too cool and we can't have that of course. I mean, we all know that casting white women isn't "progressive" enough anymore these days, prophet Anita said so. It has to be a black, trans and preferably lesbian woman, and above all it has to piss off the old guard / traditional fans. Okay, 1. It wasn't designed to fit an adult male. Riri's armor was custom fitted for her. Iron Man suits are a dime a dozen in the MCU. Variations happen all the time. 2. Pepper Potts has replaced Tony, in her "rescue armor." She stills dons it occasionally, and specifically donned it the first time she spoke to Riri. Then she proceeded to save Riri from attacking bad guys. Never, ever has it been implied that Riri has somehow surpassed Tony as a superhero. She's his protege, and specifically treated as someone with a lot to learn.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 22:38:35 GMT
I actually prefer small boobs... although I wouldnt say no to those if I was in the Marvel universe although her claws and teeth would come in useful too no doubt Oh, you'd willingly submit to it wouldn't you? :sure: Well... she is kinda hawt
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Post by Salty Drell on Jul 20, 2017 22:43:41 GMT
Oh, you'd willingly submit to it wouldn't you? :sure: Well... she is kinda hawt I don't blame you, I think I would submit to the male Venom.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 20, 2017 22:52:31 GMT
It's a socioeconomically insensitive to depict a Doctor who can afford a powered wheelchair.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 20, 2017 23:12:11 GMT
It's a socioeconomically insensitive to depict a Doctor who can afford a powered wheelchair. Doesn't matter. Something like this (don't want to assume gender!) is practically the apex predator of the intersectional oppression Olympics! If you can have it as the Doctor, you fixed practically every social injustice out there!
Incorrect. Merely being referred to as The Doctor and being a member of the Time Lords species imparts a privilege of status and is an allegorical representation of the monopolization of power in that universe. The solution (and I'm hoping they go with this for the series end) would be to get rid of the role of The Doctor altogether.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 23:33:44 GMT
I genuinely wonder whether people are actually aware that only an actor for a tv show has changed which has happened many times before, or whether their obsessions will keep making them look stupid
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 20, 2017 23:36:31 GMT
Incorrect. Merely being referred to as The Doctor and being a member of the Time Lords species imparts a privilege of status and is an allegorical representation of the monopolization of power in that universe. The solution (and I'm hoping they go with this for the series end) would be to get rid of the role of The Doctor altogether. That's true theoretically, but since as we know all privilege flows from the patriarchy or from whiteness, as long as it isn't connected to those oppressive elements, it simply can't be an example of privilege! Just as racism is only racism when it comes from a position of power plus privilege!
So while a title like "The Doctor" or a "Time Lord" is indeed a representation of power and privilege and would normally be toxic and problematic, it doesn't matter in this case!
lol you don't think the Time Lords is a patriarchal construct with a nomenclature that is intentionally invoking oppressive white Anglo-Saxxon feudalism? The word "doctor" is also derived from its historical usage as a title in European (read: white) academic institutions. The entire show is founded on white nationalist subtext.
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Post by Gaston on Jul 20, 2017 23:47:47 GMT
DR? MORE LIKE NURSE WHO ROFL So first you were upset about characters being females, now youre upset and resorting to troll posts because you didnt win the discussion??? Ok then HAHAHAHAHA she thinks we're the same person! :')
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