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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 5:59:48 GMT
Completely agree. Facial animations we've seen of ME:A so far have been even worse than DA:I which was worse than ME3 which was worse than ME2 which was worse than ME1. It's gone downhill. But to be fair, ME2 and 3 are not exclusively better or worse than each other. ME3 has moments where it comes out on top of all BioWare games but then also moments where the lip syncing is off which was never an issue previously. DA2 has the problem of blank stared faces a lot and DA:O is also really basic. But ME:A seems to be on a whole new level of "worse". I really hope they get it fixed somehow. The lip movements are just too wide so it warps the face when they talk in an unnatural way and that's not to mention the lack of "life" in the eyes because the eyebrows don't move enough and they don't have that little eye-focus twitch as in ME2 or ME3. They just look stone-dead at whatever direction they're looking in and that makes them look lifeless. Wait a minute, ME1's facial animation better than ME2 and ME3? Goddammit I slipped into an alternate universe again. linkensk has a tendency to exaggerate in almost every post he makes. At this point I just scroll past his gibberish.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 22, 2016 11:48:39 GMT
I would argue Mass Effect is less grounded in reality now that we've moved 600 years into the future and using really implausible tech considering it's 2185, and I know there are bloopers like Project Lazarus to bend the lore and such but this is on a whole 'nother scale but at least it seems they're trying their best to handwave whatever inconsistencies they can, so we can get away from the ME3 ending and the old universe. Considering what he says about animations it's less than convincing considering what we have seen looks less than on par with prior entries whereas he makes it sound like it's better than ever, and you gotta wonder if they had to show off a segment of their "amazing animations" for an all-eyes-on public trailer why would they choose a clip to showcase dialogue where the animations look completely underwhelming?. I don't think he's lying necessarily... he's just too close to his own work right now to see the gap or if we're lucky it really looks amazing behind the closed doors right now and what they had to show two weeks ago was just some ancient build with half-done animations. Who knows, but it sure would be strange to pick that footage to show off then considering their whole marketing, according to themselves, has been this secretive because they don't want to "overpromise" (quote Aaryn Flynn in october) and they've also said they wanted to avoid spoilers. Whatever happens I just hope animations are passable enough that you don't sit making the Femryder face throughout the entire game every time there's a miscommunicated expression on the screen. EDIT: I thought this was a new thread for some reason. Apparently, it was just to showcase Sara Ryder, even if she's behind (again, apparently) Scott in development. I won't expect Andromeda to be among the top in terms of facial animations anyway. As long as PeeBee doesn't look like Shrek in the final game I'll be happy She clearly doesn't look like Shrek now Her face is clearly different from that shot in the E3 footage.
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 22, 2016 22:37:48 GMT
Apparently, it was just to showcase Sara Ryder, even if she's behind (again, apparently) Scott in development. I won't expect Andromeda to be among the top in terms of facial animations anyway. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
Whatever the reason for the current state of facial anim. affairs, I'm really hoping the studio gives the artists the time to do a proper job. When watching Sarah's face, one cannot miss the "unnaturalness" of it. This point cannot be overstated enough. Cinematics is one of the Pillars that make a ME game.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 22, 2016 23:01:42 GMT
Apparently, it was just to showcase Sara Ryder, even if she's behind (again, apparently) Scott in development. I won't expect Andromeda to be among the top in terms of facial animations anyway. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
Whatever the reason for the current state of facial anim. affairs, I'm really hoping the studio gives the artists the time to do a proper job. When watching Sarah's face, one cannot miss the "unnaturalness" of it. This point cannot be overstated enough. Cinematics is one of the Pillars that make a ME game. I'm not disagreeing, but we got weird facial animations before in the trilogy already. We'll see how it'll be for Andromeda on release.
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Post by hsomcokesniper on Dec 23, 2016 7:13:08 GMT
"We’re pushing the boundaries of what Frostbite can do and what Mass Effect can do." And still this is what they decided to showcase... Ahh Mac
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Post by Cypher on Jan 22, 2017 23:40:39 GMT
If you're not Kojima Productions, Naughty Dog, or Rockstar, you're going to have wonky ass animations.
I expect it; none of it is too egregious so far. Wonky animations will inevitably make me laugh at some point. I'm not bothered by it.
Also, the hop is perfectly fine. people do that shit all the time in order aid in shifting of their momentum without completely slowing down or falling when they have to slow or adjust on a dime.
You go try sprinting in one direction then immediately shifting into another while being off balance and you'll do something similar. Might not be a hop, but it'll be for a similar purpose.
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Post by keiji on Jan 22, 2017 23:47:23 GMT
Now we all know that Bioware has a really bad track record when it comes to producing good ingame animations. But what I've seen from the trailers so far was downright atrocious. What do you guys think? Do the animations bother you, or are your expectations already sufficiently low since it's a Bioware game? (Anyone who gets the reference deserves a cookie.)
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Post by Elessar on Jan 22, 2017 23:48:25 GMT
What i think? I think you are being pedantic.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 22, 2017 23:49:15 GMT
I think they did mostly fine during ME1 but recently it has been pretty bad. Maybe take some tips from CDPR Red and TW3, those guys had the worst animation ever during the first and second game, now look at them, amazing.
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Post by missileglitcher on Jan 22, 2017 23:55:04 GMT
That's really the last thing I am worried about. Bioware have a track record of hiring retarded game makers to create the worst games ever with the stupidest stories. The animations are the least of their concerns.
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Post by sinkingfish on Jan 22, 2017 23:55:12 GMT
Jesus Christ! Facial animations are not going to be perfect. Theyre not using motion capture!yes they could stand to be improved but so could your imagination. You want them to perfectly recreate a disarm rather than giving you the general idea and letting your imagination figue out the rest?
Good luck with that one Santa!
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Post by Elessar on Jan 23, 2017 0:00:18 GMT
I think they did mostly fine during ME1 but recently it has been pretty bad. Maybe take some tips from CDPR Red and TW3, those guys had the worst animation ever during the first and second game, now look at them, amazing. As much as i love TW3, i don't see anything that surpasses what we have seen so far of Andromeda. Both are good animation wise but not top tier, which is understandable since we are dealing with RPGs that have a much higher quantity of pretty much everything compared to other genres. I would say Andromeda is even leading TW3 in terms of the ability to do facial expressions. There is footage of Peebee doing stuff with her face that the TW3 engine is not capable of.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 23, 2017 0:04:48 GMT
The worst for me was this one:
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Post by keiji on Jan 23, 2017 0:05:19 GMT
I think they did mostly fine during ME1 but recently it has been pretty bad. Maybe take some tips from CDPR Red and TW3, those guys had the worst animation ever during the first and second game, now look at them, amazing. As much as i love TW3, i don't see anything that surpasses what we have seen so far of Andromeda. Both are good animation wise but not top tier, which is understandable since we are dealing with RPGs that have a much higher quantity of pretty much everything compared to other genres. I would say Andromeda is even leading TW3 in terms of the ability to do facial expressions. There is footage of Peebee doing stuff with her face that the TW3 engine is not capable of. I agree with this message.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 23, 2017 0:07:37 GMT
TW3 was smart with its animations. It wasn't anything grand, but the most basic ones were good.
I would say that is common sense, but then I play Inquisition and the walk animation in cutscenes is bizarre. Everybody walks with their legs wide open.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 23, 2017 0:12:30 GMT
I think they did mostly fine during ME1 but recently it has been pretty bad. Maybe take some tips from CDPR Red and TW3, those guys had the worst animation ever during the first and second game, now look at them, amazing. As much as i love TW3, i don't see anything that surpasses what we have seen so far of Andromeda. Both are good animation wise but not top tier, which is understandable since we are dealing with RPGs that have a much higher quantity of pretty much everything compared to other genres. I would say Andromeda is even leading TW3 in terms of the ability to do facial expressions. There is footage of Peebee doing stuff with her face that the TW3 engine is not capable of. Compared to TW 1 and 2, the third game has the best face animations that was my point. DA:I was pretty bad in that regard, I actually think DA2 had better, also till now ME:A seem to be worse sorry that is just how I see it. Of course the running animations in TW overall are hilarious bad, Ciri running and walking was just so cringe worthy, Sarah seems a lot better on that department.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 0:13:33 GMT
Oh good. The Witcher 3 again.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 23, 2017 0:18:07 GMT
Oh good. The Witcher 3 again. Ya my fault, I just think they evolved with some consistency and I would expect the same from ME, meh, I am going to wait and see the final product to judge.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 23, 2017 0:19:21 GMT
Oh good. The Witcher 3 again. Ya my fault, I just think they evolved with some consistency and I would expect the same from ME, meh, I am going to wait and see the final product to judge. TW3 is the best RPG this generation and raised the bar of what to expect from AAA RPGs. It will always come up in this kind of thread.
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Post by Elessar on Jan 23, 2017 0:19:55 GMT
As much as i love TW3, i don't see anything that surpasses what we have seen so far of Andromeda. Both are good animation wise but not top tier, which is understandable since we are dealing with RPGs that have a much higher quantity of pretty much everything compared to other genres. I would say Andromeda is even leading TW3 in terms of the ability to do facial expressions. There is footage of Peebee doing stuff with her face that the TW3 engine is not capable of. Compared to TW 1 and 2, the third game has the best face animations that was my point. DA:I was pretty bad in that regard, I actually think DA2 had better, also till now ME:A seem to be worse sorry that is just how I see it. I dunno how anyone can. It's clearly Bioware's best effort yet.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 23, 2017 0:22:59 GMT
Compared to TW 1 and 2, the third game has the best face animations that was my point. DA:I was pretty bad in that regard, I actually think DA2 had better, also till now ME:A seem to be worse sorry that is just how I see it. I dunno how anyone can. It's clearly Bioware's best effort yet. I really do not see it, the only thing I like about the animations are the walking ones. Even Peebee, not everyone need to walk like a femme fatale.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 23, 2017 0:26:06 GMT
I dunno how anyone can. It's clearly Bioware's best effort yet. I really do not see it, the only thing I like about the animations are the walking ones. Even Peebee, not everyone need to walk like a femme fatale. Did you like this?
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Post by keiji on Jan 23, 2017 0:30:41 GMT
I really do not see it, the only thing I like about the animations are the walking ones. Even Peebee, not everyone need to walk like a femme fatale. Did you like this? Actually I think it's cute.
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Post by Pearl on Jan 23, 2017 0:39:44 GMT
There's a time and place for cute animations. Running away from what appears to be an explosion of some sort is not it.
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