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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 3, 2017 6:13:35 GMT
What could they even do at this point? Recording additional lines for gay romances is far beyond what a patch can entail Doing a mea culpa and acknowledging that they know they fucked up and treated gay players shabbily would be a start. I'm not talking about a general "we hear your concerns," but addressing the specific issues that have been brought up numerous times in this thread and elsewhere. The more objective issues are: lack of a squaddie LI, characters using CC faces instead of custom ones, being required to romance outside of your sexuality for an achievement when that is not required of anyone else, general lack of polish such as the animations for the Reyes romance and the male PC being referred to as his queen (intended for fem Ryder), and possibly some other things I'm missing. The subjective things are another issue which I'm not going to get into, but those others point to a lack of caring on the part of the devs. There are specific issues at play here and I think the devs do need to address them directly, even if they admit there isn't much to do in "fixing" them. They CAN fix things like the male animations in the Reyes romance and that dialogue firing for the male PC. They CAN fix PeeBee riding a non-existent penis for fem Ryder. If they're going to look at overall animations, then those romance ones should get worked on as well.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 3, 2017 6:35:55 GMT
On the case of Iron Bull, what we were told on the old BSN was that one dev actually used his own extra time to make Iron Bull ungated. So, the DA team didn't really actively decide to do it, just the one guy was a hero. lol I want to say it was John Epler that did this, but I'm not sure now. While this is true, he still had to have the "go ahead" from higher ups. He could have worked on it on his own time to his heart's content, that doesn't mean it would have been put in the game if Mike Laidlaw (creative director) and Mark Darrah (executive producer) didn't think it should be in there. Those guys are the bosses of Dragon Age. Not David Gaider, not John Epler, not Patrick Weekes. Those two men. And they have higher ups that they answer to as well. If fact, David Gaider even mentioned that this content wouldn't be in their games if they didn't have the support of studio executives and further on at EA. But that is Dragon Age, not Mass Effect. It is different, targeted at different audiences, with team members with different goals. Continued comparisons are not apt.
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On the case of Iron Bull, what we were told on the old BSN was that one dev actually used his own extra time to make Iron Bull ungated. So, the DA team didn't really actively decide to do it, just the one guy was a hero. lol I want to say it was John Epler that did this, but I'm not sure now. While this is true, he still had to have the "go ahead" from higher ups. He could have worked on it on his own time to his heart's content, that doesn't mean it would have been put in the game if Mike Laidlaw (creative director) and Mark Darrah (executive producer) didn't think it should be in there. Those guys are the bosses of Dragon Age. Not David Gaider, not John Epler, not Patrick Weekes. Those two men. And they have higher ups that they answer to as well. If fact, David Gaider even mentioned that this content wouldn't be in their games if they didn't have the support of studio executives and further on at EA. But that is Dragon Age, not Mass Effect. It is different, targeted at different audiences, with team members with different goals. Continued comparisons are not apt. Well, all I'm saying is, in a pinch the DA team as a whole would have still left certain m/m races as the only ones that didn't get two options if one person hadn't fixed it literally as an act of charity. I'm sure if someone had offered to do extra work for free to make Scott's animations with Reyes better, they would have been totally cool with that happening on the ME team. It's not that I think the DA team, or even the ME team, are being specifically malicious. But when resources are down to the wire, it's generally m/m choices that take the hit first, in both cases. To characterize it as the whole DA team making a decision to put aside resources to fix Iron Bull is also just not the case, and kind of belittles the point that this specific animator did a very cool thing for us. It is true that DA has a better track record, though. I doubt they would have pushed both m/m options off on crew/NPCs. I'd definitely be more shocked if DA didn't have at least one m/m option in the squad. Although, I guess I actually didn't predict ME would backslide since ME3, so there's that.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 3, 2017 7:01:59 GMT
^ I didn't characterize it that way at all, and I don't think it's belittling his effort to point out what I believe are facts about the situation. Yes, he did great and wonderful work, but HE is not responsible for the ultimate decision.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Apr 3, 2017 8:11:12 GMT
I mean, in the end, in every bigger multi-task project, it's all about what you make your priority. The Mass Effect team didn't care about the M/M romances as much as they cared about the other romances, it's pretty much as simple as that. If I'm strapped for time and let one part of my project at work slide in favour of something else, it's because I'm priotising what I think is the most important stuff to have done by the time that project is finished. In this case, lovingly rendering Cora's backside took priority.
I didn't pour 90 hours into Andromeda because I didn't enjoy the game, but I won't lie and say it didn't feel like I was playing a Beta version of a full release quite a bit of the time. I realise glitches are sort of a thing you get lucky/unlucky with, but this game probably could have had another six months to a year of development time and it's clear they cut corners everywhere. The LI department has other problems then just the M/M romances (most notably being able to full-romance more than one woman and the weird merger that creates on movie night), but M/M romances were plainly the part of the project that was least important. Which is okay, if that is your decision and how you wanna present yourself, unless you are a company that partially sells itself on how inclusive they are which Bioware most certainly has not been shy to incooperate into their marketing strategy and the twitter devs love to get their posteriors kissed for. That's when my patience starts to wear thin.
What can they do at this point? Well, the twitter of Scott's voice actor pretty much confirms he must have at least recorded big chunks of the Jaal romance, if not all of it (he spoke to the saddened fans there about editing choices not being his, which means there must have been voice work to edit in the first place). Jaal's sex scene might look a bit weird with a guy, but then that didn't stop them from copypasting Reyes and Peeebee (for women). I guess the easiest way to fix it would be to #makejaalbi, but I agree it is really awkward to do something like this after the game was already released and they'll catch flack for that, too, just from another group. At this point, I don't know. They just messed up, like they did in a lot of departments with this game. It's almost as if handing one of your biggest franchises to a C studio that has never made a full game was not a good idea. :thinking:
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Post by RussianGuyovich1313 on Apr 3, 2017 8:12:39 GMT
I'd rather characters stay consistent with whom they were written as, instead of being switched to bi/les at the last moment like Vetra did, cause now Male Ryder's passionate love scene with his boney muffin has been cut cuz FemRyder obviously couldn't quite compare by the sounds of that sweet 85 There is quite big problems on how Bioware approaches writing LI's. They want to write them character first, which is nice as thought, but they somehow ended up with all these straight characters with only Peebee as expection due to being Asari. If they made sure everyone was writing squadmates with different sexualities this wouldn't have happened. So after they write them all straight they have to figure out what they could do with romances. They likely added some minor characters like likely Gil and make them m/m romance since that is missing completely, but they are still missing a lot of m/m and f/f romances due to how they approached characters and LI's. So they start changing character's sexualities (which is fine since characters do get changed a lot before they are finalized)- but in the process they end up having bisexuals that only mention opposite sex and badly animated m/m and f/f scenes since they thought those scenes originally for straight romances not both straight and gay- and then they might have to cut some content already done since they figured out their problem of lacking m/m and f/f romances too late. Now some of this is just my theory on what happened with romances, but it's based on what devs have said like Ian about how they write characters first and think of romances after that. This is pretty much confirmed. Ugh, I'm like 90% sure my spiky girlfriend sex scene was cut out in order to even out with FemRyder, such bullshit.
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Post by miso9 on Apr 3, 2017 11:34:03 GMT
I mean, in the end, in every bigger multi-task project, it's all about what you make your priority. The Mass Effect team didn't care about the M/M romances as much as they cared about the other romances, it's pretty much as simple as that. (...) M/M romances were plainly the part of the project that was least important. I wanted to talk about one thing that bothers me in this common sentiment - implication that lesbian romances were somehow cared about, on par with straight ones. If you took a closer look you would notice all F/F romances in this game are just a mere copypaste of romances created for straight men. The only "lesbian" sex scene, with Peebee, is just a straight sex scene with switched Ryder's model, which looks just ridiculous. And the best part - the only lesbian character and exclusively lesbian romance option was not meant to be lesbian, she was written as another conquest for straight male Ryder and only within last few months has been artificially locked for women, hence Prima guide still shows pics of her in romance with male Ryder. Say what you want about Gil, but he was obviously designed as gay from the start and was meant to provide representation, even if those devs' idea of representation is extreme cliche. Meanwhile originally there wasn't supposed to be ANY lesbian character in entire game. And even now, it is questionable if the only "lesbian" is any lesbian at all since unlike Gil you wouldn't even know she's supposed to be gay, she never gives any hints she likes women which makes sense - she was created for straight men. Lesbians are benefiting from one thing. This team initially created 6 romances (4 full, 2 flings) for straight men. Apparently originally lesbians were meant to get bisexual Peebee (she's Asari so by default bisexual) and bisexual Suvi, assuming she wasn't fully straight. Perhaps that one fling with reporter too (again, she's Asari, they would have no excuse for making her M/F only). No lesbian character at all. There are reports that Vetra's writer fought to make her available to women and only thanks to her Vetra is bisexual too. And only within last few months someone noticed that it would look bad if Scott could bang all the women, so out of all romances made for straight men they decided to lock the one with the least content just for women. Notice that they didn't do any extra work with any of those F/F romances. They are all just reused assets in every sense (writing, scene design, animations) made for straight men, to such extreme level that they just reused straight sex scene and didn't care it looks ridiculous. No content made with just lesbians in mind. Even the "lesbian" character is just reused asset created for straight men.
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 3, 2017 14:00:45 GMT
No offense to gay people intended but there really shouldn't be any gay people on a colonization mission. It kinds of defeats the purpose. Things like this break story immersion and makes one consider the scientific and social credentials of the writers.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 3, 2017 14:16:14 GMT
No offense to gay people intended but there really shouldn't be any gay people on a colonization mission. It kinds of defeats the purpose. Things like this break story immersion and makes one consider the scientific and social credentials of the writers. What's the problem? Gay people still can have children: they capable to make children and to raise children as well. There is no problem with this. Or? Maybe I misunderstood you. Not mentioned, that there are other tasks next to the reproduction. (Gil also plan baby with Jill, but this solution of writers was rough and lame.)
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Post by toomanyclouds on Apr 3, 2017 14:18:47 GMT
I mean, in the end, in every bigger multi-task project, it's all about what you make your priority. The Mass Effect team didn't care about the M/M romances as much as they cared about the other romances, it's pretty much as simple as that. (...) M/M romances were plainly the part of the project that was least important. I wanted to talk about one thing that bothers me in this common sentiment - implication that lesbian romances were somehow cared about, on par with straight ones. If you took a closer look you would notice all F/F romances in this game are just a mere copypaste of romances created for straight men. The only "lesbian" sex scene, with Peebee, is just a straight sex scene with switched Ryder's model, which looks just ridiculous. And the best part - the only lesbian character and exclusively lesbian romance option was not meant to be lesbian, she was written as another conquest for straight male Ryder and only within last few months has been artificially locked for women, hence Prima guide still shows pics of her in romance with male Ryder. Say what you want about Gil, but he was obviously designed as gay from the start and was meant to provide representation, even if those devs' idea of representation is extreme cliche. Meanwhile originally there wasn't supposed to be ANY lesbian character in entire game. And even now, it is questionable if the only "lesbian" is any lesbian at all since unlike Gil you wouldn't even know she's supposed to be gay, she never gives any hints she likes women which makes sense - she was created for straight men. Lesbians are benefiting from one thing. This team initially created 6 romances (4 full, 2 flings) for straight men. Apparently originally lesbians were meant to get bisexual Peebee (she's Asari so by default bisexual) and bisexual Suvi, assuming she wasn't fully straight. Perhaps that one fling with reporter too (again, she's Asari, they would have no excuse for making her M/F only). No lesbian character at all. There are reports that Vetra's writer fought to make her available to women and only thanks to her Vetra is bisexual too. And only within last few months someone noticed that it would look bad if Scott could bang all the women, so out of all romances made for straight men they decided to lock the one with the least content just for women. Notice that they didn't do any extra work with any of those F/F romances. They are all just reused assets in every sense (writing, scene design, animations) made for straight men, to such extreme level that they just reused straight sex scene and didn't care it looks ridiculous. No content made with just lesbians in mind. Even the "lesbian" character is just reused asset created for straight men. I pretty much agree that I doubt the lesbian romances were created for lesbian players, and that does make them part of the problem, but they did at least make the minimum effort of flipping the switch for two squadmates, and even that was apparently was too much for the M/M part of the equasion. However, I don't think that they turned out worse across the board for their questionable creation process. The Peebee sex scene is obviously ridiculous, but other than that, I wouldn't have known, for example, that Suvi used to be for men if the Prima guide hadn't been released the way it was; and I played Vetra's romance and didn't think it felt weak with FRyder or even had any questionable animations. So unless you are someone who is specifically interested in the creation process of this game or you romance Peebee, you could probably manage to play a lesbian/female bisexual romance and never even know it wasn't primarily meant for you, which is why I think in the end, F/F romances still came out on top - but, yes, probably more because they are helpful in attracting male players, too. Incidentally, the Reyes romance seems to have been created with a female Ryder in mind first judging by animations and character banter ("baroness" Scott Ryder), so I guess what we'd originally been left with had been one bisexual squadmate, one bisexual NPC (Suvi) and one bisexual fling (Keri) for FRyder, and one explicitly gay NPC for Scott. A single token gay guy romance vs. bisexual females only included because it was already convenient? Well, that's always been kind of the ME series' motto when it comes to creating gay and bisexual romances, to be honest, looking back at its history. I'm kind of questioning at this point why I expected anything different...
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Post by wittand25 on Apr 3, 2017 14:23:23 GMT
No offense to gay people intended but there really shouldn't be any gay people on a colonization mission. It kinds of defeats the purpose. Things like this break story immersion and makes one consider the scientific and social credentials of the writers. I am certain that a society that masters technology that allows traveling between galaxies is also able of mastering the advanced tech of the bulb blaster. Secondly. building a new society takes a lot of effort, so having half the workforce pregnant, or taking care of children, is a big disadvantage for the whole populance.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Apr 3, 2017 14:26:01 GMT
No offense to gay people intended but there really shouldn't be any gay people on a colonization mission. It kinds of defeats the purpose. Things like this break story immersion and makes one consider the scientific and social credentials of the writers. You realise in vitro fertilisation was invented in the 1970s, right? And they live in a world that, according to Liam, has come pretty close to figuring out how to clone entire people (if you've played the ME3 DLC, you know they've actually already managed it). I'm pretty sure if they really needed to, they could make some babies even without sending anyone to the bedroom. Jill simply gets a baby from the sperm bank if Gil doesn't wanna donate his "batter". Also, I hope you didn't romance anyone but Cora or Liam because otherwise you're either only helping out the asari to make new babies, or you're just as useless for the procreation purpose as Jill says Gil is.
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Post by zeowik on Apr 3, 2017 16:23:31 GMT
No offense to gay people intended but there really shouldn't be any gay people on a colonization mission. It kinds of defeats the purpose. Things like this break story immersion and makes one consider the scientific and social credentials of the writers. Gil says hi. You also assume 100% of colonists are expected to breed even without Gil destroying your point.
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Post by qunaripenis on Apr 3, 2017 17:12:39 GMT
No offense to gay people intended-
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Post by rafflesz on Apr 3, 2017 18:02:54 GMT
I mean, in the end, in every bigger multi-task project, it's all about what you make your priority. The Mass Effect team didn't care about the M/M romances as much as they cared about the other romances, it's pretty much as simple as that. (...) M/M romances were plainly the part of the project that was least important. I wanted to talk about one thing that bothers me in this common sentiment - implication that lesbian romances were somehow cared about, on par with straight ones. If you took a closer look you would notice all F/F romances in this game are just a mere copypaste of romances created for straight men. The only "lesbian" sex scene, with Peebee, is just a straight sex scene with switched Ryder's model, which looks just ridiculous. And the best part - the only lesbian character and exclusively lesbian romance option was not meant to be lesbian, she was written as another conquest for straight male Ryder and only within last few months has been artificially locked for women, hence Prima guide still shows pics of her in romance with male Ryder. Say what you want about Gil, but he was obviously designed as gay from the start and was meant to provide representation, even if those devs' idea of representation is extreme cliche. Meanwhile originally there wasn't supposed to be ANY lesbian character in entire game. And even now, it is questionable if the only "lesbian" is any lesbian at all since unlike Gil you wouldn't even know she's supposed to be gay, she never gives any hints she likes women which makes sense - she was created for straight men. Lesbians are benefiting from one thing. This team initially created 6 romances (4 full, 2 flings) for straight men. Apparently originally lesbians were meant to get bisexual Peebee (she's Asari so by default bisexual) and bisexual Suvi, assuming she wasn't fully straight. Perhaps that one fling with reporter too (again, she's Asari, they would have no excuse for making her M/F only). No lesbian character at all. There are reports that Vetra's writer fought to make her available to women and only thanks to her Vetra is bisexual too. And only within last few months someone noticed that it would look bad if Scott could bang all the women, so out of all romances made for straight men they decided to lock the one with the least content just for women. Notice that they didn't do any extra work with any of those F/F romances. They are all just reused assets in every sense (writing, scene design, animations) made for straight men, to such extreme level that they just reused straight sex scene and didn't care it looks ridiculous. No content made with just lesbians in mind. Even the "lesbian" character is just reused asset created for straight men. The only thing I just cannot wrap my head around is why the BS about inclusion from the development team. Why lie to people when everything is so check able and obvious... The stuff about Suvi just completely floors me. When they sent that to the Prima guide people the game had to be nearing completion and yet from a romance perspective the game was nothing more than 'Scott Ryder dicks Andromeda'. As you point out it was nothing but straight content, copy and pasted bisexual content (mostly bisexual women aimed for straight men), and Gil. Not to get political but did they maybe see how Donald Trump would just say random things that weren't true and people ate it up anyway and elected him President? So they just went around misleading gay fans in hopes they'd buy the game and love the atrocious content they gave us?
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Post by BioFan on Apr 3, 2017 19:17:06 GMT
Hey guys, looking for community feedback on the situation for review materials. Please keep it constructive however. What'd you think of the situation with the m/m romances, and all the romance options as a whole?
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Post by Dirk on Apr 3, 2017 19:21:05 GMT
Hey guys, looking for community feedback on the situation for review materials. Please keep it constructive however. What'd you think of the situation with the m/m romances, and all the romance options as a whole? There is a thread at bsn.boards.net/thread/6157/open-letters-bioware-regarding-romances where people who have problems with m/m romance are writing letters to Bioware. They are constructive and might be what you are looking for.
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Post by qunaripenis on Apr 3, 2017 19:24:38 GMT
Hey guys, looking for community feedback on the situation for review materials. Please keep it constructive however. What'd you think of the situation with the m/m romances, and all the romance options as a whole? There is a thread at bsn.boards.net/thread/6157/open-letters-bioware-regarding-romances where people who have problems with m/m romance are writing letters to Bioware. They are constructive and might be what you are looking for. Wise decision to point him that way. The rest of the threads are filled with, while constructive, a tidal wave of salty criticisms. Most are constructive thankfully, and the rest read like they've been personally hurt by someone they thought had their back. Mine included. Actually, they're all good critical add-ons sprinkled with unnecessary straight opinions on why we shouldn't be mad about this. Best to read with care. I wish you luck on the hunt.
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Post by Rannik on Apr 3, 2017 20:15:48 GMT
Hey guys, looking for community feedback on the situation for review materials. Please keep it constructive however. What'd you think of the situation with the m/m romances, and all the romance options as a whole? I think they're both fantastic. By far the best ones Bioware has ever done, the only thing I miss is a loyalty mission for Gil / Suvi.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 3, 2017 20:24:45 GMT
Wise decision to point him that way. The rest of the threads are filled with, while constructive, a tidal wave of salty criticisms. Most are constructive thankfully, and the rest read like they've been personally hurt by someone they thought had their back. Mine included. Actually, they're all good critical add-ons sprinkled with unnecessary straight opinions on why we shouldn't be mad about this. Best to read with care. I wish you luck on the hunt. Yep, I figure I should not point him to the character romance thread where m/m romance situation in ME:A is torn into pieces over and over again in a thousand pages. That thread has even more pages than the Twitter thread lol. But if he wants to see unfiltered salt, that thread is the best source.
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Post by miso9 on Apr 3, 2017 20:59:26 GMT
Hey guys, looking for community feedback on the situation for review materials. Please keep it constructive however. What'd you think of the situation with the m/m romances, and all the romance options as a whole? There's not much to add to everything that has already been said about M/M romances, so from my side I wanted to ask you to take notice of the Suvi situation as well. I mentioned it above but in short, Prima Guide's walkthrough for Suvi's romance shows pictures of her with male Ryder. Since those guides are written some time ahead and are based on earlier build, it indicates Suvi was designed as romance option for straight male Ryder, and just few months before release it got changed. To be honest, from the start I noticed there was something weird about Suvi because as the only "exclusive" romance option she never makes the player know what her sexuality is, while Gil, Cora and Liam tell you right away that they like only men/women. When Scott tries to flirt with her her reponse is just some vague "I prefer to keep it professional". Now it's known why. I wrote more on Suvi's thread and Romance thread: bsn.boards.net/post/492652/threadbsn.boards.net/post/493105/threadIt bothers me a lot because it makes me feel like lesbian players were an afterthought to this team. There was supposed to be no lesbian character in entire game. And to be honest, it doesn't make me feel any better that it's been "fixed" by locking one of numerous straight male romances to female protagonists only. Representation is important to me. As it is, Suvi provides no representation and is not even really a lesbian character, not any more than Morrigan made romanceable by women via mod.
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Post by rafflesz on Apr 3, 2017 21:17:58 GMT
Hey guys, looking for community feedback on the situation for review materials. Please keep it constructive however. What'd you think of the situation with the m/m romances, and all the romance options as a whole? kotaku.com/underwhelming-gay-romance-options-in-mass-effect-andro-1793677330I think that article sums it up excellently. My personal opinion? Bioware 'dudebro' Montreal can go step on a leggo. #Salt
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Post by qunaripenis on Apr 3, 2017 21:37:27 GMT
Hey guys, looking for community feedback on the situation for review materials. Please keep it constructive however. What'd you think of the situation with the m/m romances, and all the romance options as a whole? I feel like, after finding out all the things I've heard about and discovered on my own, maybe that whoever the people are who wrote the gay, lesbian, and male bisexual characters in this game should probably meet and actually talk to gay, lesbian, and male bisexual people first, because Gil's arc and actual character was and felt like nothing short of a sloppy afterthought, another "gay" romance about their gayness and not their character if I have to be crass about it, Reyes's biromantic attraction to men was, unfortunately, an obvious last minute balance addition, especially if the dialogue and animations comparing Scott and Sara's dance were to scream anything, and finding out Suvi wasn't originally designed for gay women was the disgusting icing on the cake. Sure, they realized male Ryder having a "treasure trove of laydeeez" was not gonna sit right with anyone, but gods, the direction for this was just awful. They should have just taken a few more months to polish it but they didn't. I enjoyed the game but this is probably the first time a Bioware game has ever really made my sexuality feel unwanted. At least I knew what I was getting in the first two mass effect games. Here, I was teased with a whole lot of nothing and, honestly, that felt far worse.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 4, 2017 1:13:42 GMT
Hey guys, looking for community feedback on the situation for review materials. Please keep it constructive however. What'd you think of the situation with the m/m romances, and all the romance options as a whole? I was incredibly disappointed that we didn't get any options in the squad. Add to that, we're the only ones to get only two options, only ones to get just NPC romances, with one not even being on the Tempest, only ones to not get a sex scene, only ones to get only CC face LIs. I love Reyes, but was so disappointed his animations were clunky and unpolished compared to those with Sara, as well as dialogue with Vetra after the romance where she calls you his "queen". It felt like the effort didn't measure up with the male romance for him. The disparity for m/m romances compared to everyone else is the most it's been since ME2, when they shut us out entirely. To take a step back from ME3 was pretty hurtful, I have to be honest about that. That being said, I did love Reyes and hope he gets more content in the future. I'm definitely supporting the push to make him a squadmate going forward. I loved that he was a complex character with a story relevant to the plot. Bioware often makes the m/m options unimportant to the plot and, with gay exclusive characters, heavily focused on their sexuality. Gil is another "gay story", for me. Steve had his dead husband, Dorian had his daddy issues with magic conversion therapy and Gil has his gay parenting story. The bi options at least tend to escape that, and Reyes at least had a part in the story that really interested me. His voice actor also did a great job putting emotion and personality into his lines. The Kadara plot as a whole got me really involved and attached to a positive outcome for Reyes, where as a lot of the choices in game didn't actually feel like they presented any real risk of loss. Introducing Raeka for a few minutes and making me choose between her or nameless Krogan Scouts, or making me choose between the Ancient AI or a random NPC were like this. I couldn't feel very invested in those choices, but I was willing to go to war with Sloane for Reyes, for sure. Basically, I love Reyes and want more, but I'm incredibly disappointed with how obvious it was they'd spent substantially more time polishing his scenes and dialogue for a Reyes/Sara romance in comparison to Reyes/Scott. I was also shocked and disappointed with how little content they made for us, as a whole. I hope we'll get more content for Reyes in the future, but I also hope it measures up to the hetero options, both in terms of how much is there and how it's optimized for us vs the version of Reyes for Sara.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 4, 2017 3:03:47 GMT
So... you guys are going to burst blood vessels. Earlier in the thread, I mentioned that, with the Dorian post-sex scene, when he lays the Inquisitor back down on the bed at the end it fades and the scene is over (you have control of your Inquisitor again). But it is fully animated even though it isn't shown in the game. Well, apparently there is the same thing for Gil, only seen via flycam. There is no actual sex, and they both sort of pop into their post-sex cuddling position -- video link. It actually looks very similar to the Dorian one. With some better camera work, they could have included it. Since there is only the one race (as opposed to four with Dorian), it wouldn't have been that much more of a burden to tinker with it to get it looking nice, reduce clipping, hide the "Ken doll" bodies, and such.
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