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Post by rafflesz on Apr 4, 2017 3:25:34 GMT
So... you guys are going to burst blood vessels. Earlier in the thread, I mentioned that, with the Dorian post-sex scene, when he lays the Inquisitor back down on the bed at the end it fades and the scene is over (you have control of your Inquisitor again). But it is fully animated even though it isn't shown in the game. Well, apparently there is the same thing for Gil, only seen via flycam. There is no actual sex, and they both sort of pop into their post-sex cuddling position -- video link. It actually looks very similar to the Dorian one. With some better camera work, they could have included it. Since there is only the one race (as opposed to four with Dorian), it wouldn't have been that much more of a burden to tinker with it to get it looking nice, reduce clipping, hide the "Ken doll" bodies, and such. jk at this point whats another? keep em coming. cuz why the hell not...
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Post by qunaripenis on Apr 4, 2017 4:24:28 GMT
So... you guys are going to burst blood vessels. Earlier in the thread, I mentioned that, with the Dorian post-sex scene, when he lays the Inquisitor back down on the bed at the end it fades and the scene is over (you have control of your Inquisitor again). But it is fully animated even though it isn't shown in the game. Well, apparently there is the same thing for Gil, only seen via flycam. There is no actual sex, and they both sort of pop into their post-sex cuddling position -- video link. It actually looks very similar to the Dorian one. With some better camera work, they could have included it. Since there is only the one race (as opposed to four with Dorian), it wouldn't have been that much more of a burden to tinker with it to get it looking nice, reduce clipping, hide the "Ken doll" bodies, and such. * *molten salt exploding
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Post by Evanoel on Apr 4, 2017 4:40:05 GMT
Yeah, if I think about it again, we're really getting the short end of the stick. However, I'm still grateful they included M/M romances at all albeit not as many options and good animation wise as the other gender and orientation I suppose...
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Post by Trynstark on Apr 4, 2017 10:30:31 GMT
So... you guys are going to burst blood vessels. Earlier in the thread, I mentioned that, with the Dorian post-sex scene, when he lays the Inquisitor back down on the bed at the end it fades and the scene is over (you have control of your Inquisitor again). But it is fully animated even though it isn't shown in the game. Well, apparently there is the same thing for Gil, only seen via flycam. There is no actual sex, and they both sort of pop into their post-sex cuddling position -- video link. It actually looks very similar to the Dorian one. With some better camera work, they could have included it. Since there is only the one race (as opposed to four with Dorian), it wouldn't have been that much more of a burden to tinker with it to get it looking nice, reduce clipping, hide the "Ken doll" bodies, and such. jk at this point whats another? keep em coming. cuz why the hell not... Best. Comment. Ever. xD I'm so related to that gif.
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Post by chriagon on Apr 4, 2017 12:42:47 GMT
So... you guys are going to burst blood vessels. Earlier in the thread, I mentioned that, with the Dorian post-sex scene, when he lays the Inquisitor back down on the bed at the end it fades and the scene is over (you have control of your Inquisitor again). But it is fully animated even though it isn't shown in the game. Well, apparently there is the same thing for Gil, only seen via flycam. There is no actual sex, and they both sort of pop into their post-sex cuddling position -- video link. It actually looks very similar to the Dorian one. With some better camera work, they could have included it. Since there is only the one race (as opposed to four with Dorian), it wouldn't have been that much more of a burden to tinker with it to get it looking nice, reduce clipping, hide the "Ken doll" bodies, and such. Thanks for posting this. Up until now I didn't even know they censored the Dorian scene. I wonder why they did it, it was pretty well done imo.
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Post by quecojo on Apr 4, 2017 14:43:00 GMT
While I agree that the lack of full romances and scenes is disapointing, I am also annoyed by some other factors overall.
Before I start, I have only played a straight male Ryder.
Lack of flirting and sudden drops of pacing in a romance: Basically, Peebee is the only one you can flirt with heavily throughout the game. Everyone else's (at least on the Tempest) flirting option is locked until you reach certain points in the story or their quests. Just felt that the pacing was super off for game that took me 80 hours to complete. Didn't even feel all that connected to my love interest. For instance with Cora, after the special moment on Eos with the first kiss and all, back on the Tempest its still the same "Hey Ryder" when you start a conversation with her (ok, so after the first initial talk back on the tempest in which she mentions it and all, but afterwards its back to normal Cora).
Lack of conflict between love interests: So I was heavily flirting with both Cora and Peebee on my run and the only "conflict" per say was Cora going "Peebee? Really?" and thats it... I kinda wanted some more tension between either my love interest or between my love options, ala Liara and Ashley in ME1. There was no tension at all.
The 2 full scenes (for Peebee and Cora) are very well done. Shame that no others got the same treatment.
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Post by Rannik on Apr 4, 2017 15:10:23 GMT
Seeing how awkward it looks I'm very happy that it wasn't included.
Way to ruin a perfectly fine scene.
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Post by musely on Apr 4, 2017 16:43:31 GMT
Hey guys, I'm happy to say that Bioware seems to be listening, via this news piece that details their upcoming plans seen here: www.masseffect.com/news/the-journey-ahead?sf53509859=1One of the bits they mentioned is "Improvements to male romance options for Scott Ryder."
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Post by Trynstark on Apr 4, 2017 17:57:27 GMT
Seeing how awkward it looks I'm very happy that it wasn't included. Way to ruin a perfectly fine scene. Don't be so happy yet, Muahahahaha.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Apr 4, 2017 19:26:48 GMT
I agree that the game is tailored towards hetero males.
Statically 90+% of female players will be hetero so why the big skew toward lesbian romances?
Hetero male - 5 options Lesbian female - 5 options Hetero female - 3 options Homosexual male - 2 options
Hetero females aren't even the minority - which makes the bias stand out more. Hetero females will statically be the second largest player group after hetero males, yet they are almost as underrepresented as homosexual males.
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Post by rafflesz on Apr 4, 2017 20:24:59 GMT
I agree that the game is tailored towards hetero males. Statically 90+% of female players will be hetero so why the big skew toward lesbian romances? Hetero male - 5 options Lesbian female - 5 options Hetero female - 3 options Homosexual male - 2 options Hetero females aren't even the minority - which makes the bias stand out more. Hetero females will statically be the second largest player group after hetero males, yet they are almost as underrepresented as homosexual males. This is true but remember that lesbian females are not truly represented. The lesbian romances are there as a means to satisfy hetero male fantasy. You are correct that lesbian women do get content out of it though, but to say they get it because the dev team wants to represent them is just a falsehood. Its there because boys that like girls like girl on girl action. If you need some evidence look no further than Peebee's sex scene with Sara Ryder.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Apr 4, 2017 20:55:58 GMT
Sadly it doesn't sound like they're gonna fix anything in regards to the female Ryder Li options, which I think is sad, cause I really think our romance options or content to be more precisely was lacking. I did all three options, Liam, Reyes and Jaal and it was almost ridiculous to call them Li's, well except for Jaal that is. I know m/m romances were the ones which suffered the most but that doesn't mean they shouldn't fix straight female ones. Looking at their latest notest, it doesn't look like they will. My only hope is that they'll do something with Reyes since he's bi and that way I assume they'll automatically make his scenes for both genders.
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Post by miso9 on Apr 4, 2017 21:03:45 GMT
I agree that the game is tailored towards hetero males. Statically 90+% of female players will be hetero so why the big skew toward lesbian romances? Hetero male - 5 options Lesbian female - 5 options Hetero female - 3 options Homosexual male - 2 options Hetero females aren't even the minority - which makes the bias stand out more. Hetero females will statically be the second largest player group after hetero males, yet they are almost as underrepresented as homosexual males. Because straight men initially had 6 romances and all "lesbian romances" are just copypaste of straight male romances, it cost them nothing to do it. Even the "lesbian" character was designed as another romance option for Scott. There's no content in this game created just for lesbians. And BTW, it's untrue lesbians have 5 options - it's 4 - Suvi, Peebee, Vetra and the fling with Asari reporter.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 4, 2017 21:31:39 GMT
So... you guys are going to burst blood vessels. Earlier in the thread, I mentioned that, with the Dorian post-sex scene, when he lays the Inquisitor back down on the bed at the end it fades and the scene is over (you have control of your Inquisitor again). But it is fully animated even though it isn't shown in the game. Well, apparently there is the same thing for Gil, only seen via flycam. There is no actual sex, and they both sort of pop into their post-sex cuddling position -- video link. It actually looks very similar to the Dorian one. With some better camera work, they could have included it. Since there is only the one race (as opposed to four with Dorian), it wouldn't have been that much more of a burden to tinker with it to get it looking nice, reduce clipping, hide the "Ken doll" bodies, and such. Thanks for posting this. Up until now I didn't even know they censored the Dorian scene. I wonder why they did it, it was pretty well done imo. I posted this in the Gil thread, and elsewhere here, but I'll elaborate. Dorian has four races available to him, all of which would have had to require custom tinkering for the cinematic to look decent. Human, as in that vid clip, looks best most of the time, since Dorian is also human. But even that specific video was taken with the camera positioned in such a way that makes it look pretty good; it hides most of the clipping issues, but even there you can see that Inquisitor's arm is weird and stiff. That animation is not in a completed state and would have required more polish. Even as a person who likes Dorian a lot, it's not a surprise to me that it was left out of the final scene, especially given the other content of the scene; they certainly weren't prudes in showing male nudity or having direct, specific dialogue about sex. [edit] I also think "censored" was a poor word choice for the video title by danaduchy, as that implies that they intentionally left it out due to its content. Considering the technical issues and everything else about that game, that character, and the romance, I don't think that is accurate.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 4, 2017 21:35:22 GMT
Seeing how awkward it looks I'm very happy that it wasn't included. Way to ruin a perfectly fine scene. I'd say that the point is that they animated something at all. It's obvious that it wasn't meant to be included since there is not a full scene and they just pop into their cuddle position. That is not complete in any way. I prefer fade to black as well, btw, so I feel ya.
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Post by demonicdivas on Apr 4, 2017 21:45:29 GMT
Sadly it doesn't sound like they're gonna fix anything in regards to the female Ryder Li options, which I think is sad, cause I really think our romance options or content to be more precisely was lacking. I did all three options, Liam, Reyes and Jaal and it was almost ridiculous to call them Li's, well except for Jaal that is. I know m/m romances were the ones which suffered the most but that doesn't mean they shouldn't fix straight female ones. Looking at their latest notest, it doesn't look like they will. My only hope is that they'll do something with Reyes since he's bi and that way I assume they'll automatically make his scenes for both genders. I agree. I thought the hetro female options woeful and I am pissed that some characters get more love than others. The choices were woeful and thank the Maker for Reyes. Same goes for the m/m ones too I guess where decent representation is even more of an issue. Straight men seem to win by default still. Just give me a properly fleshed out Reyes romance then I'd be happier.
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Post by demonicdivas on Apr 4, 2017 21:46:11 GMT
Sadly it doesn't sound like they're gonna fix anything in regards to the female Ryder Li options, which I think is sad, cause I really think our romance options or content to be more precisely was lacking. I did all three options, Liam, Reyes and Jaal and it was almost ridiculous to call them Li's, well except for Jaal that is. I know m/m romances were the ones which suffered the most but that doesn't mean they shouldn't fix straight female ones. Looking at their latest notest, it doesn't look like they will. My only hope is that they'll do something with Reyes since he's bi and that way I assume they'll automatically make his scenes for both genders. I agree. I thought the hetro female options woeful and I am pissed that some characters get more love than others. The choices were woeful and thank the Maker for Reyes. Same goes for the m/m ones too I guess where decent representation is even more of an issue. Straight men seem to win by default still. Just give me a properly fleshed out Reyes romance then I'd be happier. Oops didn't mean to repeat myself I should get some sleep!
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Apr 4, 2017 22:05:40 GMT
I agree that the game is tailored towards hetero males. Statically 90+% of female players will be hetero so why the big skew toward lesbian romances? Hetero male - 5 options Lesbian female - 5 options Hetero female - 3 options Homosexual male - 2 options Hetero females aren't even the minority - which makes the bias stand out more. Hetero females will statically be the second largest player group after hetero males, yet they are almost as underrepresented as homosexual males. Because straight men initially had 6 romances and all "lesbian romances" are just copypaste of straight male romances, it cost them nothing to do it. Even the "lesbian" character was designed as another romance option for Scott. There's no content in this game created just for lesbians. And BTW, it's untrue lesbians have 5 options - it's 4 - Suvi, Peebee, Vetra and the fling with Asari reporter.Apologies, the guide I read lists Avela as a 5th option for lesbians. I guess I don't really concern myself with the reasons why things are added; whether it is simply to check boxes or pandering to straight males or pandering to LGBT groups - I honestly don't profess to know the reasoning behind any included romances. It would just have been really nice to have more options as a hetero female, I'm sure the gay guy are feeling that even more so. Whether or not content was created 'specially for lesbians' is kind of irrelevant to me tbh, I see it quite black and white in that the content is there for lesbians and not for hetero female. I just thought the logic behind having so many lesbian romances was wrong because I feel like the best way to do it would be to have all sexualities represented equally. If you want 5 romance options, let everyone have 5 romance options. Not give one sexuality 5 choices, and another only 1 relationship and 1 fling for example.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 4, 2017 22:33:03 GMT
Because straight men initially had 6 romances and all "lesbian romances" are just copypaste of straight male romances, it cost them nothing to do it. Even the "lesbian" character was designed as another romance option for Scott. There's no content in this game created just for lesbians. And BTW, it's untrue lesbians have 5 options - it's 4 - Suvi, Peebee, Vetra and the fling with Asari reporter.Apologies, the guide I read lists Avela as a 5th option for lesbians. I guess I don't really concern myself with the reasons why things are added; whether it is simply to check boxes or pandering to straight males or pandering to LGBT groups - I honestly don't profess to know the reasoning behind any included romances. It would just have been really nice to have more options as a hetero female, I'm sure the gay guy are feeling that even more so. Whether or not content was created 'specially for lesbians' is kind of irrelevant to me tbh, I see it quite black and white in that the content is there for lesbians and not for hetero female. I just thought the logic behind having so many lesbian romances was wrong because I feel like the best way to do it would be to have all sexualities represented equally. If you want 5 romance options, let everyone have 5 romance options. Not give one sexuality 5 choices, and another only 1 relationship and 1 fling for example. You should not see it as black and white, because it's not. This content wasn't created in a cultural or social vacuum. Straight males are the primary focus, and that is obvious. Think of it this way, the lesbian players want to know that the LI is interested in them, as women, because they are women. Regardless of some players' feelings about the deficiencies of the Gil romance, that is one thing it has going for it -- he is gay and likes Scott as a man. f/f content is commonly meant to pander to the male gaze. Even bisexual women don't think that men and women are interchangeable, they like them for being men and women individually as men and women. It's easy for you to say that you don't see that as an issue since you want f/m romances, and those are designed for straight women, like Cullen's was. I don't know whether you like or dislike the current options, but they were designed for you. The LGB players want the same thing.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Apr 4, 2017 22:52:57 GMT
Apologies, the guide I read lists Avela as a 5th option for lesbians. I guess I don't really concern myself with the reasons why things are added; whether it is simply to check boxes or pandering to straight males or pandering to LGBT groups - I honestly don't profess to know the reasoning behind any included romances. It would just have been really nice to have more options as a hetero female, I'm sure the gay guy are feeling that even more so. Whether or not content was created 'specially for lesbians' is kind of irrelevant to me tbh, I see it quite black and white in that the content is there for lesbians and not for hetero female. I just thought the logic behind having so many lesbian romances was wrong because I feel like the best way to do it would be to have all sexualities represented equally. If you want 5 romance options, let everyone have 5 romance options. Not give one sexuality 5 choices, and another only 1 relationship and 1 fling for example. You should not see it as black and white, because it's not. This content wasn't created in a cultural or social vacuum. Straight males are the primary focus, and that is obvious. Think of it this way, the lesbian players want to know that the LI is interested in them, as women, because they are women. Regardless of some players' feelings about the deficiencies of the Gil romance, that is one thing it has going for it -- he is gay and likes Scott as a man. f/f content is commonly meant to pander to the male gaze. Even bisexual women don't think that men and women are interchangeable, they like them for being men and women individually as men and women. It's easy for you to say that you don't see that as an issue since you want f/m romances, and those are designed for straight women, like Cullen's was. I don't know whether you like or dislike the current options, but they were designed for you. The LGB players want the same thing. Hmmmn on one hand I see your point but I'm not sure I agree. Technically Jaal was originally intended to be bisexual and Reyes is bisexual, neither options designed primarily with a hetero woman in mind. Only Liam is the 'pure' hetero female option. One option. Really, as the game is made by mostly straight men, can the results ever truly be lesbian romance designed specially for lesbians? Isn't it always going to at it's heart male fantasy by design? I do think it's being kind of nitpicky complaining about so much content that fits your sexuality just because the specifics around its creation don't meet your ideal, when other sexualities don't actually even have the options to start with, but I appreciate I am probably just not seeing it the same way. 😊
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 4, 2017 23:13:29 GMT
You should not see it as black and white, because it's not. This content wasn't created in a cultural or social vacuum. Straight males are the primary focus, and that is obvious. Think of it this way, the lesbian players want to know that the LI is interested in them, as women, because they are women. Regardless of some players' feelings about the deficiencies of the Gil romance, that is one thing it has going for it -- he is gay and likes Scott as a man. f/f content is commonly meant to pander to the male gaze. Even bisexual women don't think that men and women are interchangeable, they like them for being men and women individually as men and women. It's easy for you to say that you don't see that as an issue since you want f/m romances, and those are designed for straight women, like Cullen's was. I don't know whether you like or dislike the current options, but they were designed for you. The LGB players want the same thing. Hmmmn on one hand I see your point but I'm not sure I agree. Technically Jaal was originally intended to be bisexual and Reyes is bisexual, neither options designed primarily with a hetero woman in mind. Only Liam is the 'pure' hetero female option. One option. Really, as the game is made by mostly straight men, can the results ever truly be lesbian romance designed specially for lesbians? Isn't it always going to at it's heart male fantasy by design? I do think it's being kind of nitpicky complaining about so much content that fits your sexuality just because the specifics around its creation don't meet your ideal, when other sexualities don't actually even have the options to start with, but I appreciate I am probably just not seeing it the same way. 😊 Not if the writer puts a modicum amount of effort into it. David Gaider wrote Alistair to appeal to straight women, and he is a gay man. He also wrote Morrigan to appeal to straight men. Also, they don't write these things solo, it gets put into the game, without any sort of review. There is a writing team and a writing lead. There were women on this writing team who could have given their input even if they weren't lesbians; the goal would be romance content that is made for women. Also, given that the Reyes romance is way more polished for women, I'd suggest that that was their priority with him. Then again, I know that there are some people who think that bisexual LI's don't count as an option for them. I saw one female player that talked about the Zevran romance in this way. I don't think that the character's bisexuality matters in that case, but rather how they react to different genders within the romance. A good example would be with Anders, who I think does treat male and female Hawke differently. I think the Anders romance is better for men, even though it was written by a woman. He comes across as condescending to a fem Hawke in a way that he doesn't with a male Hawke. But that is just my view of him. So you CAN have a bisexual romance with a different feel for each gender.
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Post by rafflesz on Apr 4, 2017 23:40:06 GMT
Hmmmn on one hand I see your point but I'm not sure I agree. Technically Jaal was originally intended to be bisexual and Reyes is bisexual, neither options designed primarily with a hetero woman in mind. Only Liam is the 'pure' hetero female option. One option. Really, as the game is made by mostly straight men, can the results ever truly be lesbian romance designed specially for lesbians? Isn't it always going to at it's heart male fantasy by design? I do think it's being kind of nitpicky complaining about so much content that fits your sexuality just because the specifics around its creation don't meet your ideal, when other sexualities don't actually even have the options to start with, but I appreciate I am probably just not seeing it the same way. 😊 Not if the writer puts a modicum amount of effort into it. David Gaider wrote Alistair to appeal to straight women, and he is a gay man. He also wrote Morrigan to appeal to straight men. Also, they don't write these things solo, it gets put into the game, without any sort of review. There is a writing team and a writing lead. There were women on this writing team who could have given their input even if they weren't lesbians; the goal would be romance content that is made for women. Also, given that the Reyes romance is way more polished for women, I'd suggest that that was their priority with him. Then again, I know that there are some people who think that bisexual LI's don't count as an option for them. I saw one female player that talked about the Zevran romance in this way. I don't think that the character's bisexuality matters in that case, but rather how they react to different genders within the romance. A good example would be with Anders, who I think does treat male and female Hawke differently. I think the Anders romance is better for men, even though it was written by a woman. He comes across as condescending to a fem Hawke in a way that he doesn't with a male Hawke. But that is just my view of him. So you CAN have a bisexual romance with a different feel for each gender. Once more with feeling for the people in the back! Honestly though it didn't help that this writing team was just bad, for lack of a better word. I realize I'm salty as all hell about the m/m romances so I'm biased but still. Look at Cora. The amount of the budget dedicated to her must have been gargantuan. She is the epitome of what a romance could be in ME:A. Shes a squadie, shes gets so much content whether its flirting or banter, she gets the most detailed sex scene in video game history. And yet despite it all I've seen so many post from straight dudes yearning for Suvi. Like I get them missing the mark with say Gil, as they must have spent like 17 dollars on his production. But for them to miss so badly on Cora? The main love interest as we clearly see? Thats just embarrassing imho. All t no shade btw
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 4, 2017 23:53:41 GMT
Look at Cora. The amount of the budget dedicated to her must have been gargantuan. She is the epitome of what a romance could be in ME:A. Shes a squadie, shes gets so much content whether its flirting or banter, she gets the most detailed sex scene in video game history. And yet despite it all I've seen so many post from straight dudes yearning for Suvi But how many of those straight dudes are of the "she looks like a man" type that complained about Cassandra? I'm not inclined to count those, if for no other reason that they are offensive and shallow in the manner of their critique. Also, there were some guys who wanted to romance Sera because of her personality, which is quite different from their actual options, so I can understand that reasoning. Some gay men like the Dorian and Bull romances, and some don't; some wanted their KISA with a bisexual Cullen. As a straight woman, NONE of the DAI options for that demo appealed to me at all. The only one I've done is Cullen on my first play because that was planned in advance and I was playing a fem Inquisitor. He was "just okay" for me. You can't please everyone.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 5, 2017 0:14:25 GMT
I do hope that, when they do whatever it is they're going to do with the romances that it isn't categorized in patch notes as "miscellaneous fixes," and that they are more specific. I can't stand that.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 6, 2017 21:19:48 GMT
I'm out of my element there. I never use it myself. Hmm, I know. Summon hashtag master dalinne Come give us a hand with this, please. We need a good twitter hashtag for the feedback thread once you're on. Sorry I'm late to the party, people. I didn't feel like coming back with all Andromeda-gate. Now I'm back to say a big THANK YOU. All of you, thank you so much for your resilence, for your perseverance, for everything. I'm so happy so so so HAPPY!!! #BetterJaalThanEver #ScottFinallyIWillUnfrozeYouFirst
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