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Post by yan on Mar 22, 2017 14:31:44 GMT
I'm too lazy to type, so follow these videos.
I hope it helped you. Hugs.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Mar 22, 2017 14:35:22 GMT
I'm just going to disagree on the 'deep reasoning behind tech' and leave it at that though. You have to give the exposition some credit, it has far better explanations than most other fictions have - or at least it tries to, let me borrow an example from this article: And Mass Effect is full of these ground rules that the writing follows troughout the game, except, well, let's just not talk about the endings. That was a screwup but it shouldn't make everything irrelevant because of it.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 22, 2017 14:38:02 GMT
I haven't heard Tann's voice until just yesterday and I have to say I don't get what the fuss is about. It's like with Kresh's voice, it doesn't fit pre-conceived notions so people think it's bad. Although, in Kresh cases, it's like people don't realize she's even a female. I personally though Tann's slow voice made him sound more sleazy and like he didn't think highly of you. He's not some hyper scientists or nerdy ship pilot. People just don't really have an idea what a female Krogan should sound like. All we have to go on is Eve from DA3. As far as pre-conceived notions go, yes we have notions that a Krogan's voice is deep and gravelly. So maybe a womans voice that fits that description would be better for a female Krogan. Same with Turians. We expect their voices to have what ever sort of twang the OT Turians had, so if a turian sounds just like a human would it will throw people off. It just occurred to me the voice actress for the Salarian Dalatross in ME3 might have made a better Krogan It goes on and on.. While Kal Reeger's voice actor is awesome, it didnt fit what our pre-conceived notions of what a Quarian would sound like. Now, maybe this all means we need to adjust our pre-conceived notions. but on the other hand, maybe Bioware needs to be more consistent with casting since its they who gave us the notions to begin with, with Wrex, Grunt, Garrus, Tali, Mordin, Kirrahe etc.
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Post by unwanted on Mar 22, 2017 15:47:05 GMT
I would say the hate comes from the fact that no game developer would have the gall to make a CC and facial animation this bad and expect people to seriously except it. Fan's feel as if Bioware have physically slapped them in the face hard, and then said 'what's the matter it was only a friendly slap', you should be thanking me. Most games have no CC options at all. Those that do usually let you customize one or two things at most. Most games have scripted encounters presented in a linear fashion with little to no dialogue. or dialogue that is only between the NPC and the player. I would say that many players like you like to make arguments in bubbles with little regard for context. Most games have other names other than Bioware. Most games have a dev team of no more than 5. Most games are around or less than £25. Most games have ponies in them. I really like this game and think it's worth buying, but I am not employed to cover up for Bioware's mistakes.
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Post by warrior on Mar 22, 2017 16:11:17 GMT
I agree that the writing is on-par so far. I'm not far enough into the story itself to judge it. The animation is mostly fine, but I think it should be better for next-gen in 2017; watch the cut scenes from ME3 against MEA to see how much more detailed their facial expressions are.
I think it's just that some of the animation (not all) is so bad that you can't quite understand how it passed at all! Like Addison -- everything about her design is a DISASTER. She is a professional woman wearing clown make up, and her facial animation is just awful (worse than ME1, or at least on par with it), which is why the trolls cherrypick it to showcase. How on earth did no one notice that she needed to be fixed? Maybe they will reveal her to be an android later in the story.
While overall the facial animation isn't terrible, it's not great, and I agree with critics that there is generally something unrealistic and flat and wooden about the faces when they speak compared to other recent games. They have texture, but they need more expression and dimension, especially around the eyes. Maybe there needs to be more shadows, less bright lighting? The area around the eyes needs more detail? I don't know. It's sad that they couldn't do better, is all I'm saying, since so much of this game is speaking!
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 22, 2017 16:14:18 GMT
Because internet either hates it or loves it.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 16:16:36 GMT
The internet overacts to everything, both good and bad. So they latched on to a few less-than-great aspects of the game and made mountains out molehills. Also, hating on BW is apparently a "cool" thing to do. Exactly this, everybody jumped on the hate hype train, because it's the current most popular thing to do, is hate on MEA even tough like, most people who did not or won't even play it will still hate it. Please tell me how many players on these forums that actually played it have a problem with the game? I'm loving it so far and I'm well over 10 hours. The internet is just fucking stupid. P.S.:I agree with some of the lines being more cheesy or weirder than ever, and yes, sometimes the voice acting really does seem out of character (something I never noticed in a previous ME or DA titles), and stranger animations than what is common for a Bioware schenanigan, and this is why the game is just bad right now? Give me a break. Those people never even cared about the game in the first place. If they would, they could have looked past it, right now it's like gaming is all about realistic facial animations and perfect scripts. Who the fuck cares about facial animations in a game where it dumps you with an interesting, MASSIVE lore exposition, an immersive world and deep reasoning behind every piece of tech and history. This universe has better exposition than the original Star Wars ever had. But yeah, let's bitch on the facial animations because that's all that matters in the games these days. I think this comes what Liana K mentioned. Lack of marketing, you would think after the ME 3 endings that Bioware would try to hype what made them great but instead they were very vague and gamers latched on to the little information they were given, hence the blow up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 16:21:35 GMT
So MEA is not your fav game ever? That's fine. But I just don't get where all the hate is coming from. The writing is on par with other Bioware games. Seriously anyone acting like ME 1,2,3 were Shakespear compared to this game are delusional. The game looks great. Yes the facial animations are not great but it's not so bad you can't injoy the game. People acting like this game is a mess just baffles me. Maybe not a master peace but def a good game. Indeed. I believe those criticizing this game in terms of story or characters are still relying on the trilogy, thinking this is gonna be a new Shepard vs Reapers kind of story. The rest, the bugs, the facial animations, the CC, are all true. I just don't think it's fair for them to judge the whole game based on this, as I am seeing.
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Post by luke on Mar 22, 2017 16:23:07 GMT
I dislike the animations just as the next person but I'm not telling everyone on the internet that the game is shit because of it. I agree, but this will not stop people from seeking some form of revenge for what they see as a personal affront. They wish to return Bioware's suspect, friendly slap. When all said and done this should never have gotten past Biowares QC. They have only themselves to blame. If someone feels they need to get some sort of revenge because of poor facial animations then they've got much bigger issues to address. I really don't like it when people dismiss it as "that's just the Internet", because it really isn't. This is purely down to bias and childish attitudes. Don't get me wrong, the facial animations are bad, but almost every complaint I've seen has been about a relatively small issue that has either been blown out of proportion or criticised far too harshly. Those spamming metacritic and ranting and raving really shouldn't be playing an M-rated game because clearly they don't have the emotional maturity to handle issues properly.
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Post by unwanted on Mar 22, 2017 16:24:16 GMT
For me, everything in the game is triple A apart from the following.
The CC. It is extremely basic for a game of this magnitude. Some animation, for want of a better word, is broken. A great deal of the dialogue, NOT the voice acting, the voice acting is very well done, it's the script writing that is at fault, and mostly comes over as amateur.
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Post by Addictress on Mar 22, 2017 16:28:15 GMT
I was bitching in the trial but.... now, the regular game is good, I think. The animations were definitely fixed somehow. It was really bad in the trial, trust me. Or was it just me? I haven't had any animation issues since release
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Post by unwanted on Mar 22, 2017 16:31:47 GMT
I was bitching in the trial but.... now, the regular game is good, I think. The animations were definitely fixed somehow. It was really bad in the trial, trust me. Or was it just me? I haven't had any animation issues since release This guy has the answer.
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Post by Dana Dark on Mar 22, 2017 16:32:56 GMT
I think a lot of people expected more than what was delivered.
I enjoy pretty much everything in the game so far, have had no issues at all personally (Not a single bug, no FPS issues on ultra, etc.) I can say I didn't go in expecting ME:A to redefine what it is to be a game and usher in a brand new era. As far as I know, it's supposed to be a standalone game that will likely be the end of the IP.
I had started playing ME1 for a bit again before ME:A released... even with gigabytes worth of mods, ME:A is way ahead. So, I was happy. But... then people pointed out the "graphics downgrade" and I definitely can see the disdain there... not that the game is bad looking at all, but the post-processing on the trailers makes the game look soooo much better. They say "engine footage" and "in-game scenes" etc. but fail to point out the post processing... its like photoshop... but for games lmao.
Could lighting, post-process, animation, and voice acting be better? Sure! But, it's not terribad.
I will say: As a gay man, I enjoyed Liam's outright rejection of my Ryder. While I like multiple LGBT romances, even I roll my eyes at the whole "everyone is Bi!" thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 16:42:10 GMT
I understand the gripes, but I do think a lot of reactions are vastly overblown as far as I can see. In terms of writing, I haven't really experience anything notably inferior to the original trilogy. I'm not going to call it some kind of masterpiece, but it ain't dreck either. But then, "poor writing" is a criticism used so often that I automatically disregard it. The graphics are a definite step down from my expectations, but I can deal with that so long as it's not some kind of crazy derezz or something. I don't get the complaints about the writing either, but I haven't finished playing. I'm starting to wonder whether this is going to have a bad ending like ME3 and that is coloring perceptions of the writing, because so far it is far from being the worst written chapter in the series. There has been some clunky dialogue here and there but that is true of every Bioware game. The companion characters are also much better written than the companions in ME1. ME1's cast didn't develop personalities until ME2 and ME3, with the exception of Wrex and Ashley. ME1 Tali was literally a walking codex entry and Liara was not much better, and Garrus had none of the charm or humor from later games. Most of ME:A's flaws are technical.
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Post by qwib on Mar 22, 2017 16:43:18 GMT
I was bitching in the trial but.... now, the regular game is good, I think. The animations were definitely fixed somehow. It was really bad in the trial, trust me. Or was it just me? I haven't had any animation issues since release Was just you. There was no fix. I also had 1 glitch so far and some people write like this game is a glitch fiesta. Although a Friend and I discussed that maybe pc Version seems to be better.
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Post by pdusen on Mar 22, 2017 16:50:19 GMT
I don't get it either. 14 hours in and it just feels like a really good Mass Effect game, warts and all.
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Post by unwanted on Mar 22, 2017 16:52:30 GMT
I was bitching in the trial but.... now, the regular game is good, I think. The animations were definitely fixed somehow. It was really bad in the trial, trust me. Or was it just me? I haven't had any animation issues since release Was just you. There was no fix. I also had 1 glitch so far and some people write like this game is a glitch fiesta. Although a Friend and I discussed that maybe pc Version seems to be better. I believe that they patch the PC version faster and more frequently, so it's possibly the case here.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 22, 2017 16:52:56 GMT
So MEA is not your fav game ever? That's fine. But I just don't get where all the hate is coming from. The writing is on par with other Bioware games. Seriously anyone acting like ME 1,2,3 were Shakespear compared to this game are delusional. The game looks great. Yes the facial animations are not great but it's not so bad you can't injoy the game. People acting like this game is a mess just baffles me. Maybe not a master peace but def a good game. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 22, 2017 16:53:23 GMT
I agree, but this will not stop people from seeking some form of revenge for what they see as a personal affront. They wish to return Bioware's suspect, friendly slap. When all said and done this should never have gotten past Biowares QC. They have only themselves to blame. If someone feels they need to get some sort of revenge because of poor facial animations then they've got much bigger issues to address. I really don't like it when people dismiss it as "that's just the Internet", because it really isn't. This is purely down to bias and childish attitudes. Don't get me wrong, the facial animations are bad, but almost every complaint I've seen has been about a relatively small issue that has either been blown out of proportion or criticised far too harshly. Those spamming metacritic and ranting and raving really shouldn't be playing an M-rated game because clearly they don't have the emotional maturity to handle issues properly. Scorned "fans" are scary people.
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Post by kaind on Mar 22, 2017 17:00:33 GMT
I honestly don't get all the bitching about all the bitching...
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Post by n7ltrobbiesann7 on Mar 22, 2017 17:06:43 GMT
One thing I've learned is just to check it out and have my own opinion. Despite some of the lack in this game it is still enjoyable. I'm still on EOS something like 20hrs in, exploring like a mofo.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2017 17:18:12 GMT
I understand the gripes, but I do think a lot of reactions are vastly overblown as far as I can see. In terms of writing, I haven't really experience anything notably inferior to the original trilogy. I'm not going to call it some kind of masterpiece, but it ain't dreck either. But then, "poor writing" is a criticism used so often that I automatically disregard it. The graphics are a definite step down from my expectations, but I can deal with that so long as it's not some kind of crazy derezz or something. I don't get the complaints about the writing either, but I haven't finished playing. I'm starting to wonder whether this is going to have a bad ending like ME3 and that is coloring perceptions of the writing, because so far it is far from being the worst written chapter in the series. There has been some clunky dialogue here and there but that is true of every Bioware game. The companion characters are also much better written than the companions in ME1. ME1's cast didn't develop personalities until ME2 and ME3, with the exception of Wrex and Ashley. ME1 Tali was literally a walking codex entry and Liara was not much better, and Garrus had none of the charm or humor from later games. Most of ME:A's flaws are technical. Seriously, right now the only major complaints I can muster up for this game right now are the ever-popular animation issue and the very limited CC. But in terms of atmosphere, gameplay and such I can safely say that I kinda love the game in spite of its flaws.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 22, 2017 17:20:07 GMT
So MEA is not your fav game ever? That's fine. But I just don't get where all the hate is coming from. The writing is on par with other Bioware games. Seriously anyone acting like ME 1,2,3 were Shakespear compared to this game are delusional. The game looks great. Yes the facial animations are not great but it's not so bad you can't injoy the game. People acting like this game is a mess just baffles me. Maybe not a master peace but def a good game. To you, maybe. To me, at times they are bad enough to pull me out of the game (and for reference, I have reached as far as the story gate in the trial). While the animations are not technically worse than DAI, I think the fact that they tried to go more realistic and didn't quite make it means that characters often fall into the uncanny valley for me. They look creepy. The less realistic, more stylized animations of the previous games are much more pleasing to me at this point. I don't hate the game so far, and I don't think I'm spreading any hate either, but it's a little silly to assume that everyone who disagrees with you is delusional.
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Post by Jacket on Mar 22, 2017 17:23:18 GMT
I think it's because people are still salty over the Mass Effect 3 ending.
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