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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 19:36:43 GMT
Of course there is. It just seems that the problem that critics can't make up their mind on what works and what doesn't. It does not help with the bandwagon hopping. I think critics have made up their mind. Rather resoundingly, to be honest. It just appears as though some people are having a hard time accepting that this isn't a 10/10 game. You can get plenty of enjoyment out games even if they aren't slam drunks regarding the critical conversation surrounding them. Not really, and some people are attacking others for saying they like the game.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 22, 2017 19:37:53 GMT
Ok. Am I the only one who doesn't care about the Witcher 3? You can't make your own character. You are stuck with a certain combat style you can't change. I see no good points about that series that interests me. In my humble opinion, the Witcher 3 should be the pinnacle for all open world role playing games. It's the standard. Great story telling, compelling narrative, interesting characters, phenomenal side quests, engaging world - it nails it on so many of those elements, when most other games struggle to hit it on 2 or 3 max. I understand that, but not being able to change the items I mentioned ruins everything for me.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 19:38:02 GMT
Ok. Am I the only one who doesn't care about the Witcher 3? You can't make your own character. You are stuck with a certain combat style you can't change. I see no good points about that series that interests me. In my humble opinion, the Witcher 3 should be the pinnacle for all open world role playing games. It's the standard. Great story telling, compelling narrative, interesting characters, phenomenal side quests, engaging world - it nails it on so many of those elements, when most other games struggle to hit it on 2 or 3 max. I found the main quest to be the worst of the three. The side quests are very fun, but they can be repetitive.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 22, 2017 19:49:55 GMT
I think critics have made up their mind. Rather resoundingly, to be honest. It just appears as though some people are having a hard time accepting that this isn't a 10/10 game. You can get plenty of enjoyment out games even if they aren't slam drunks regarding the critical conversation surrounding them. Not really, and some people are attacking others for saying they like the game. Don't get me wrong - I'm not attacking those people who are liking the game. I do take exception to those who are simply discounting the criticism as "bandwagoning" or "bitching" or not dismiss-able. Andromeda is a unique case where I think a lot of the criticism of the game is absolutely justified. You can't argue with the major reviews. If it was one review, or a small pattering of opinions, it's understandable. But when fans, and those leading the critical conversation, are all saying the same thing (things that can't be debated over), then I'm not really sure how people can be so dismissive of the criticism. If the criticism doesn't bother you, that's great. But don't be so dismissive of those who choose to be. Because they are right.
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Post by Mythgar on Mar 22, 2017 19:51:33 GMT
There are definitely valid complaints to be had with Andromeda. From an objective standpoint, the technical flaws are definitely something that can't be denied. The facial animations are just off, there are numerous bugs, and other wonky animations. Other than that? I think the game is great. It has the best combat in the series, the exploration of planets is like ME1 but 100x better, the characters are very interesting, and the narrative is intriguing enough to keep me going, though it will be very hard for it to match what the trilogy did.
My issue is that it feels like there is some sort of double standard here. If a Bioware game has a bunch of technical issues, then it gets lambasted, but Bethesda games which look far worse in terms of character animations, have tons of bugs on launch, are generally widely praised and the bugs are just brushed aside. Don't get me wrong, I'm not of the opinion that Andromeda deserves a 10/10 (though I think the gaming, and really media scoring system is a complete joke anyways), but I also don't think it deserves a 7/10. So far, I feel it is close to/on the same level with previous ME games, and most importantly, I am having a ton of fun with it.
Regardless of what your opinion is on the game though, just understand that everyone has one and no one is more right than anyone else. We can all have our thoughts, and all be equally valid in them in matters such as these.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 22, 2017 19:53:54 GMT
Agreed that is game is good and some people are taking a few minor problems and completely dismissing an awesome game. This might be the most underrated game I've ever played Sorry bud, but I wouldn't call: * Progress-breaking glitches * Missions that are bugged so you can't progress * Side mission progress not tracking * Infinite load screens * Game crashes and * Save files that are not working as "a few minor problems", but that's just me. Fwiw, I'm really enjoying the game. I gave it an 8/10 in my impressions thread here 3 days ago. But it's a mess. If you can't understand why people are saying these things, then it's perhaps because some here have not been informed well enough of the problems, not because those people who are upset are out of line
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Post by ergates on Mar 22, 2017 19:54:58 GMT
I can't play the game until tomorrow, even behind a VPN I can't get it to launch, so it's probably premature for me to comment, but here goes.
I personally don't give a stuff about animations, facial animations or any of that stuff. Cosmetics are simply 'icing' as far as I'm concerned. I still love Deus Ex, system Shock Half Life 1, Knights of the Old Republic, Fallout 3, Mass Effect 1 and a bunch of other older titles, and continue to play them to death irrespective of how dated the graphics are. Dragon Age Origins remains my favourite game of all time. It's the story and gameplay I'm primarily interested in. get those things right and I'm happy.
Therefore it strikes me as totally absurd that people can completely slate a new game based upon things which seem so utterly superficial - but maybe that's just me? I'm also pretty sure that the animations and facial animations won't be nearly as bad as some of the Metacritic slatefests have been making them out to be.
What I AM concerned about are the changes to gameplay. Most notably the apparent inability to save your game during priority missions. This was almost a dealbreaker for me, and I confess to thinking seriously about not buying the game on this basis alone. In the end I decided to at least give it a try. The lure of a new Mass Effect game was too strong. If it proves to be a major annoyance that prevents me from playing - well, I've wasted 46 quid and more fool me.
I'm also very concerned about the removal of the pause function and the inability to control squad powers during combat. I guess companions are now relegated to something more akin to Bethesda-style gameplay, NPCs who just passively follow you around and help in combat when they get the urge. This seems like a great shame, and I have absolutely no idea what possessed the devs to go down this route, abandoning the classic gameplay of previous titles. Is it just pure unadulterated dumbing down, or is there some technical reason based on the Frostbyte engine?
So, I have mixed feelings about the game. I'm kind of eager to play it, but at the same time have many reservations and worries. The reviews of others have not influenced my feelings in any way.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 22, 2017 19:57:29 GMT
My issue is that it feels like there is some sort of double standard here. If a Bioware game has a bunch of technical issues, then it gets lambasted, but Bethesda games which look far worse in terms of character animations, have tons of bugs on launch, are generally widely praised and the bugs are just brushed aside. Don't get me wrong, I'm not of the opinion that Andromeda deserves a 10/10 (though I think the gaming, and really media scoring system is a complete joke anyways), but I also don't think it deserves a 7/10. So far, I feel it is close to/on the same level with previous ME games, and most importantly, I am having a ton of fun with it.
Solid point. I've never understood the appeal of the Bethesda-bug-charm. I stopped playing Fallout 4 after a good 50 hours, because I just couldn't cope with the magnitude of problems that ruined that game for me. Great example of a very good game, getting completed derailed by, literally, game breaking bugs, and the critical conversation around it just seemed to skim right over it. I do think people expect far more from Bioware than Bethesda though, on all aspects - technical performance, graphical fidelity, and the like. If I'm playing a Bethesda game and the facials look flat and emotionless, and the game is plagued by performance issues and bugs, I'm upset, but I'm not surprised. If I'm playing a Bioware game however? I hold them to a higher standard because they've held themselves to a higher standard for a long time now
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 22, 2017 20:00:37 GMT
I am not a huge fan of the way the power systems. But my only real complaint is the character creator. The only female ryder I could get to look decent was the black face set with the corn rows. Everything else looked cringe worthy. Of course some of it is that the face looks different in the actual game which could easily be fixed by having something like that mirror in DA2 and DAI. The black imporium thing. It would allow us to change the way the character looks in the game without restarting the entire game.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 22, 2017 20:03:29 GMT
I dislike the animations just as the next person but I'm not telling everyone on the internet that the game is shit because of it. There really isn't a single game that has done high def facial animations decently. There certainly isn't an rpg on the market that did it in game and not just rendered cut scenes. The more technology advances, the more they struggle with faces. After DAI, who would of expected Bioware to ace this department? Skyrim was comical at its very best, and riddled with even more bugs, but I still enjoyed it. I think I will be fine. The biggest problem with faces is how distinct they can be and it is very hard to animate without any issues. IMO they aren't that bad or really bad at all just needs some tweaks.
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Post by unwanted on Mar 22, 2017 20:05:09 GMT
Who said 13 was a unlucky number? On my 13th attempt I managed to make a character that escaped the ugly stick.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 22, 2017 20:05:29 GMT
Oh for the love of.... IT"S A BUG!! They happen in all games stop overreacting!
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Post by mordrek on Mar 22, 2017 20:07:45 GMT
So MEA is not your fav game ever? That's fine. But I just don't get where all the hate is coming from. The writing is on par with other Bioware games. Seriously anyone acting like ME 1,2,3 were Shakespear compared to this game are delusional. The game looks great. Yes the facial animations are not great but it's not so bad you can't injoy the game. People acting like this game is a mess just baffles me. Maybe not a master peace but def a good game. No one's saying it's not a "good game" , but it should have been a "great game". That's why people are upset. And the writing certainly is not on par with the OT. I suppose it might be on par with the OT if all you remember is the Citadel DLC. I liked it, it was a fun game, but it wasn't the amazing quality I expect in a Bioware game. And I think that's where most of the anger is. We expect Bioware to be a leader, and an innovator. This game has too many problems to be that. And nearly all of the "problems" are things that were easily caught in QA testing. So they pushed it out, warts and all, knowing they had these problems.
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 22, 2017 20:14:09 GMT
Agreed that is game is good and some people are taking a few minor problems and completely dismissing an awesome game. This might be the most underrated game I've ever played Sorry bud, but I wouldn't call: * Progress-breaking glitches * Missions that are bugged so you can't progress * Side mission progress not tracking * Infinite load screens * Game crashes and * Save files that are not working as "a few minor problems", but that's just me. Fwiw, I'm really enjoying the game. I gave it an 8/10 in my impressions thread here 3 days ago. But it's a mess. If you can't understand why people are saying these things, then it's perhaps because some here have not been informed well enough of the problems, not because those people who are upset are out of line I'm considering features, mechanics, storyline, animations, and characters. I'm not judging the bugs on a game this size just like I never let bugs in Fallout 4, Skyrim, ME3, or any large open world RPG bother me. The game just launched so bugs like that are expected IMO. The game is still great
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2017 20:17:14 GMT
Agreed that is game is good and some people are taking a few minor problems and completely dismissing an awesome game. This might be the most underrated game I've ever played Sorry bud, but I wouldn't call: * Progress-breaking glitches * Missions that are bugged so you can't progress * Side mission progress not tracking * Infinite load screens * Game crashes and * Save files that are not working as "a few minor problems", but that's just me. Fwiw, I'm really enjoying the game. I gave it an 8/10 in my impressions thread here 3 days ago. But it's a mess. If you can't understand why people are saying these things, then it's perhaps because some here have not been informed well enough of the problems, not because those people who are upset are out of line I'm very curious about this and I guess I'll be looking at guides to see what I'm missing and possible ways to get around it, but however minor or major these issues are really comes down to how frequently they occur and/or reasonably good ways to work around them in the game. My copy of ME1 still freezes/crashes, but just seldom enough that I don't want to pull my hair out.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 22, 2017 20:36:44 GMT
So MEA is not your fav game ever? That's fine. But I just don't get where all the hate is coming from. The writing is on par with other Bioware games. Seriously anyone acting like ME 1,2,3 were Shakespear compared to this game are delusional. The game looks great. Yes the facial animations are not great but it's not so bad you can't injoy the game. People acting like this game is a mess just baffles me. Maybe not a master peace but def a good game. yeah I've been tryimng to explain that to others too on another forum I'm on. I don't play Bioware's games for their fancy graphics and animations as much as I do the story and fun gameplay Bioware's ghames are highly accessible for the most part and they tell good stories. That is what matters to me most because being disabled some heavy action games can be hard for me to play. I've not had first hand experience with Andromeda yet as it's not unlocked for me (got at least another 2 hours waiting time) but I've seen enough of MEA to know I'll like it. I've been watching the multiplayer vids though and enjoying them whilst staying clear of Single player vids as I didn't want to spoil the SP until I've had good go at it myself. But I'm looking forward to it
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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 20:52:37 GMT
Not really, and some people are attacking others for saying they like the game. Don't get me wrong - I'm not attacking those people who are liking the game. I do take exception to those who are simply discounting the criticism as "bandwagoning" or "bitching" or not dismiss-able. Andromeda is a unique case where I think a lot of the criticism of the game is absolutely justified. You can't argue with the major reviews. If it was one review, or a small pattering of opinions, it's understandable. But when fans, and those leading the critical conversation, are all saying the same thing (things that can't be debated over), then I'm not really sure how people can be so dismissive of the criticism. If the criticism doesn't bother you, that's great. But don't be so dismissive of those who choose to be. Because they are right. They're not "right" that's just their point of view
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 22, 2017 21:08:30 GMT
Don't get me wrong - I'm not attacking those people who are liking the game. I do take exception to those who are simply discounting the criticism as "bandwagoning" or "bitching" or not dismiss-able. Andromeda is a unique case where I think a lot of the criticism of the game is absolutely justified. You can't argue with the major reviews. If it was one review, or a small pattering of opinions, it's understandable. But when fans, and those leading the critical conversation, are all saying the same thing (things that can't be debated over), then I'm not really sure how people can be so dismissive of the criticism. If the criticism doesn't bother you, that's great. But don't be so dismissive of those who choose to be. Because they are right. They're not "right" that's just their point of view It's not a question of opinion though. You can't dispute the technical issues this game has - the bugs, glitches, animation issues, performance issues, hitches, crashes etc - those aren't opinion or point of view. Those are things that are in the game. Me saying "the game is good" is opinion. Me saying "the game has bugs, glitches, performance & technical issues" isn't my opinion. That's fact. You can't argue that.
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Post by lyvean on Mar 22, 2017 21:10:39 GMT
So MEA is not your fav game ever? That's fine. But I just don't get where all the hate is coming from. The writing is on par with other Bioware games. Seriously anyone acting like ME 1,2,3 were Shakespear compared to this game are delusional. The game looks great. Yes the facial animations are not great but it's not so bad you can't injoy the game. People acting like this game is a mess just baffles me. Maybe not a master peace but def a good game. You obviously know very little about writing and quality of writing. ME destroys this in writing. It keeps a unified style, it uses phrases that appropriate for the universe and it creates immersive and emotional scenes. Andromeda looks like something written by fans. It is horrible. The quests are fetch quests, the story is really bad, there is no connection to the main characters at all, the animations and facial expressions are a disgrace. This is even worse than DAI, which no one really remembers what it was about, its weak story lost between the mmo mentality. Still, though, it had character and it had less time to be developed and less resources. MEA is a laughable excuse of a top RPG series with so many loyal fans. As you long as you buy this kind of games you will never see any quality releases from BioWare. It is amazing because compared to Witcher 3 it looks and feels a whole generation apart. So stop your fanboystic ignorance. You are not helping anyone.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 22, 2017 21:11:52 GMT
Sorry bud, but I wouldn't call: * Progress-breaking glitches * Missions that are bugged so you can't progress * Side mission progress not tracking * Infinite load screens * Game crashes and * Save files that are not working as "a few minor problems", but that's just me. Fwiw, I'm really enjoying the game. I gave it an 8/10 in my impressions thread here 3 days ago. But it's a mess. If you can't understand why people are saying these things, then it's perhaps because some here have not been informed well enough of the problems, not because those people who are upset are out of line I'm very curious about this and I guess I'll be looking at guides to see what I'm missing and possible ways to get around it, but however minor or major these issues are really comes down to how frequently they occur and/or reasonably good ways to work around them in the game. My copy of ME1 still freezes/crashes, but just seldom enough that I don't want to pull my hair out. Frequently enough that it's preventing people from playing the game:
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Post by Eterna on Mar 22, 2017 21:15:00 GMT
They're not "right" that's just their point of view It's not a question of opinion though. You can't dispute the technical issues this game has - the bugs, glitches, animation issues, performance issues, hitches, crashes etc - those aren't opinion or point of view. Those are things that are in the game. Me saying "the game is good" is opinion. Me saying "the game has bugs, glitches, performance & technical issues" isn't my opinion. That's fact. You can't argue that. I can argue that if you're going to dock points because ME;A has these issues then you damn well better dock other games for having the same issues, which many fans and critics do not do. Holding different standards for different companies is incredibly unfair especially when we are comparing two AAA companies such as Bioware and Bethesda. Even more so when in this day and age so much of a games success depends on reviews. If you were in the same class as another kid and your teacher was docking you marks on your assignment but not the other kid because the other kid always pushes out less than polished work how would you feel?
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 21:17:57 GMT
So MEA is not your fav game ever? That's fine. But I just don't get where all the hate is coming from. The writing is on par with other Bioware games. Seriously anyone acting like ME 1,2,3 were Shakespear compared to this game are delusional. The game looks great. Yes the facial animations are not great but it's not so bad you can't injoy the game. People acting like this game is a mess just baffles me. Maybe not a master peace but def a good game. First time poster and forum lurker here and reading this post and all the other responses has made me want to respond for what its worth. This post baffles me as to why people are baffled about the hate for Mass Effect. I'm not baffled and I'm sure a lot of people who have posted here who also pretend to be baffled, aren't really and deep down they know why people are not happy and hate on the game. So what though, if you enjoy it great, why are you bothered that others hate it? Isn't that what counts or do you have a need to make other people enjoy/love the game like you do? Why? I'm reading and hearing so much rubbish from people saying the same old silly things - 1. I don't care what reviewers think, they don't know nothing - If this is the case, why read reviews? Surely reviews good, bad and indifferent help you make a decision? Don't you have people who you trust that review games? I have plenty of sites that I trust and plenty I don't but I don't dismiss reviews readily because they may something I don't want to hear or read. 2. People are hating on this game because of the ME3 ending????? What rot. I hated the ME3 ending, not just the boring choices at the end, but the way they didn't show at first what happened to your crew on the Normandy or that a lot of the things I did in 1 and 2 didn't matter however I loved the journey of ME3 just not the end and at the time I was really pi$$ed off, but then I got over it! Some may still hold grudges but not the amount people seem to think are hating on this game. 3. You should make your own views on the game by trying it... Yea, so let me fork out £40 to buy a game to make a decision on whether I like it or not. That doesn't benefit me if I don't like it but it benefits Bioware/EA either way. No chance. Even the trial which I played for around 3 hrs, told me I wasn't having fun so far because of the characters, the jumping around on the planet, the CC etc. Still 10hrs wouldn't have been enough for me to make a big decision on a game that has up to 100hrs plus in it, so those that have completed it done 50hrs plus, their opinion helps me make an informed decision. 4. I love all ME games so no matter what I'm buying this one. And this is why developers and publishers don't really care because of these types of people. Really all I'm trying to say is that both the lovers and haters of this game both cannot see beyond their own opinions and anyone who disagrees with them doesn't know jack. What cannot be denied is that most critics of the game, paid and unpaid, have said that they're a lot of things they like about the game and a lot of things they don't like, hence the scores are coming out at around 7 out of 10. That's not bad for a game. You have to deicide if the good outshines the bad. All the reviews have helped me make an informed not emotional decision on hanging fire and seeing what happens in the coming weeks. I did the same when EA released Star Wars Battlefront, I didn't like the trial, didn't like how they put the title Battlefront on it as it wasn't anything at all like a Battlefront game, It had very little content and was bugged to buggery. After 6 months of the game still being virtually the same just updates on things like content, but generally still the same, I never bought it and was glad I didn't. The same might happening with MEA. My main concern is after playing DAI for over 100hrs, I still don't think I enjoyed it. I cannot think of any special moments and it's the first Bioware game that I've not replayed again and again (never bought DA2 after the reviews thank god) and a lot of reviews mention that it's very similar to DAI with just a space reskin. I will wait.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 22, 2017 21:22:52 GMT
It's not a question of opinion though. You can't dispute the technical issues this game has - the bugs, glitches, animation issues, performance issues, hitches, crashes etc - those aren't opinion or point of view. Those are things that are in the game. Me saying "the game is good" is opinion. Me saying "the game has bugs, glitches, performance & technical issues" isn't my opinion. That's fact. You can't argue that. I can argue that if you're going to dock points because ME;A has these issues then you damn well better dock other games for having the same issues, which many fans and critics do not do. Holding different standards for different companies is incredibly unfair especially when we are comparing two AAA companies such as Bioware and Bethesda. Even more so when in this day and age so much of a games success depends on reviews. If you were in the same class as another kid and your teacher was docking you marks on your assignment but not the other kid because the other kid always pushes out less than polished work how would you feel? First - I don't care how the teacher marks other people's assignments. I just care about my own. What kind of argument is this? Who cares, respectfully, how other games are reviewed relative to Andromeda? It doesn't matter. Clutching at straws. Second - By the standards that both Bioware, and the fans, have set for Andromeda, many people believe it failed to meet them. When discussing opinion about the game, that's subjective. You can't ignore the technical and performance issues plaguing the game at the moment though.
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Post by Eterna on Mar 22, 2017 21:28:33 GMT
I can argue that if you're going to dock points because ME;A has these issues then you damn well better dock other games for having the same issues, which many fans and critics do not do. Holding different standards for different companies is incredibly unfair especially when we are comparing two AAA companies such as Bioware and Bethesda. Even more so when in this day and age so much of a games success depends on reviews. If you were in the same class as another kid and your teacher was docking you marks on your assignment but not the other kid because the other kid always pushes out less than polished work how would you feel? First - I don't care how the teacher marks other people's assignments. I just care about my own. What kind of argument is this? Who cares, respectfully, how other games are reviewed relative to Andromeda? It doesn't matter. Clutching at straws. Second - By the standards that both Bioware, and the fans, have set for Andromeda, many people believe it failed to meet them. When discussing opinion about the game, that's subjective. You can't ignore the technical and performance issues plaguing the game at the moment though. Nobody is ignoring the technical issues despite how much you keep chiming in that we are. What people are saying is that if it is not okay here it should not be okay anywhere. Also spare me, if you discovered another student was getting a free pass for mistakes and you were not it would piss you off.
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Post by derrame on Mar 22, 2017 21:34:31 GMT
i played few hours, mostly MP
facil animations suck, ar are not syncronized to words, but it's not always and you get used to it, the omega dlc had some technical issus too and was developd by a B team, like this game, so it's ok
it's the only new ME game we have, Ilove this series, i really like what i seen so far in MEA, sin SP and MP, few bugs in MP too, but it's the same as ME3MP, nothing gamebreaking so far
i like the story and the characters, i feel the devs wanted to give veteran fans what they wanted/expected, love of the series but make a game friendly for newcomers, it's a new begin, but knowing the trilogy,
i Love the main menu, reminds me of ME1 but it's new, diferent, represents an unknown universe a new galaxy, planets, different colors of unknown unicerse in background yet simple, graceful, silent, calm, just like the space is
strike team,s are a good conection of sp and mp, it gives some more context to mp, which already has great context
the graphics, lights, particle effects are great,
i like the character models i've seen, the awkward facilal nimations seen in the videos before release are there, and i find it funny,
it seems the boring fetch quests and chores of DA:I are in this game too, that's disappointing
i love the new lines of the characters in mp, like when a team mates falls, the other characters say "i'm coming", or one second"! or something like that, the interaction in that way, talking, is better, i like it
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