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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 23:54:21 GMT
To wonder what the backlash is all about? Then maybe the OP needs to read and listen more and then they might know what all the backlash is about? Not sure why you don't think it's odd to say people are bitching when people are stating why they're not happy. I take it you like the game? My opinion is irrelevant, with all the things surrounding ME:A maybe the OP wanted to go to a site for Bioware games so he can discuss it?
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 23:56:27 GMT
Lol. You think what I said was aggressive? Wow. From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET.
Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't.
You accuse him of enjoying ME: A and said that he doesn't like it the fact that people don't like it. Not only that's a baseless claim but that comes as aggressive. Baseless in that I'm reading his posts and formulating my view. That's all I've got to go on as I don't know him. From reading his post, I'm sure he's quite capable of responding and doesn't need your input as you don't know him either. Equally you don't know if my conclusions are correct or not. And if you still think this is very aggressive, I suggest you visit the WOW forums.
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 23:58:19 GMT
Then maybe the OP needs to read and listen more and then they might know what all the backlash is about? Not sure why you don't think it's odd to say people are bitching when people are stating why they're not happy. I take it you like the game? My opinion is irrelevant, with all the things surrounding ME:A maybe the OP wanted to go to a site for Bioware games so he can discuss it? You got that right. And if the OP wanted to discuss it, why hasn't she or he come back? Normally when someone makes a post, they like to stick around and respond. Once again, why are you speaking for someone else? Can the OP not do it? Your starting to sound like a white knight.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 23:58:57 GMT
From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET.
Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't.
You accuse him of enjoying ME: A and said that he doesn't like it the fact that people don't like it. Not only that's a baseless claim but that comes as aggressive. Baseless in that I'm reading his posts and formulating my view. That's all I've got to go on as I don't know him. From reading his post, I'm sure he's quite capable of responding and doesn't need your input as you don't know him either. Equally you don't know if my conclusions are correct or not. And if you still think this is very aggressive, I suggest you visit the WOW forums. I know and you don't either, focus on his argument rather than accusing him. But I'm sure KaiserShep can defend himself.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 23, 2017 0:00:01 GMT
My opinion is irrelevant, with all the things surrounding ME:A maybe the OP wanted to go to a site for Bioware games so he can discuss it? You got that right. And if the OP wanted to discuss it, why hasn't she or he come back? Normally when someone makes a post, they like to stick around and respond. Once again, why are you speaking for someone else? Can the OP not do it? Your starting to sound like a white knight. You really need to stop with the accusations.......
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 23, 2017 0:06:59 GMT
I liked when Shepard was made Spectre, but I do have to ignore the silly mechanics of proving Saren's guilt, because the Council refuses to believe an eyewitness, but will just accept an audio file from a drifting space gypsy. From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET. Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't. Belief won't change how much money and time I've sunk into the franchise, but that's cool. Point is, this franchise has always been rife with problems that go back to ME1. As much as I prefer the scifi setting, this is part of the reason why I tend to gravitate more toward Dragon Age. I find that their narratives make more sense, and that's on top of generally having more flexible/dynamic character interaction. In any case, I prefer to be openly critical of everything, even things that I really like. Mass Effect is one of my favorite games of all time, but I'd be lying my ass off if I didn't admit that it had far less than airtight internal logic.
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Post by solomace on Mar 23, 2017 0:21:04 GMT
From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET. Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't. Point is, this franchise has always been rife with problems that go back to ME1. Total agree, however when ME1 came out, Kotor fans like myself were cockahoop with joy and all the issues with ME1 were either forgiven, not cared about or just plan not seen because the whole package IMO was great. ME2 took it in a different direction and it became a cover base shooter first everything else secondary. At first I wasn't happy and poo pooed ME2, but after second run through, it became one of my favorites. ME3 I loved except for the ending and it had a good blend of 1 and 2. 10 years on from ME1 and 5 years in development, I would have expected to get something either on Par with 3 but secretly hoping for a lot better. So far that hasn't happened and that's why I think all the issues that are rife with MEA aren't cutting it with a lot of fans and critics. Once again, no one bar a few reviewers are saying it's a bad game, they are saying it's an okay/good game, but after spending time with Witcher 3/ MSG 5 and I've got Horizon to play, then good isn't going to cut it when it come to an ME franchise. That's maybe why there's so much backlash.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 23, 2017 0:31:14 GMT
I liked when Shepard was made Spectre, but I do have to ignore the silly mechanics of proving Saren's guilt, because the Council refuses to believe an eyewitness, but will just accept an audio file from a drifting space gypsy. Not to mention that the timing makes no sense. How does Tali manage to beat Sheoard to the Citadel with the recording?
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 23, 2017 0:47:47 GMT
There's varying justifications for the bitching, some good, some less so. If we can avoid doing that to each other, we'll have the time to figure out this huge game...
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 23, 2017 0:56:59 GMT
I did say that the character stories was the game's saving grace. I actually like character studies, but that doesn't really change my feeling that ME2's central plot is a seriously dumb mess. Dumb mess? Stop a race from stealing colonists, recruit some of the most bad ass people in the galaxy, get enough level, resources and stuff to get through to the final stage, kill, maim destroy. What's so dumb about that? I'm sure I read a post where you didn't like Thane or was I mistaken? I think Thane was one of the best characters in the whole MET and I loved his story and back story. Loved how he helped out in ME3 and was disappointed you couldn't have him again as a squad member. We are worlds apart in our ME opinions me thinks. The dumb mess part is basically how the Collector plot contradict's Sovereign's. If I'm really paying attention to the progression of this 3-part tale, Sovereign's actions were totally pointless because the Collectors were working on a reaper anyway. It could easily have waited a few more years for it to be completed, but it seemed like one hand/tentacle in the reaper faction didn't really know what the other was doing…..not unlike how the trilogy was handled by its writing team.
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Post by Dabrikishaw on Mar 23, 2017 1:02:28 GMT
Most of the hate comes from Bioware's player created reputation and anyone overreactimg to the way the women look.
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Post by Astralify on Mar 23, 2017 1:14:56 GMT
Threads/questions like this, is literally why we can't have nice things.
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Post by finoderi on Mar 23, 2017 1:16:41 GMT
If we can avoid doing that to each other, we'll have the time to figure out this huge game... Yes, it's quite interesting. The guy loves the game, but instead of enjoying it he wastes his time creating threads about 'bitching'.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 23, 2017 1:26:13 GMT
Threads/questions like this, is literally why we can't have nice things. The crab walk gif is hilarious, but thus far the game has failed to do it for me. I don't think I'll ever get to see this glory firsthand.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 23, 2017 1:32:00 GMT
I liked when Shepard was made Spectre, but I do have to ignore the silly mechanics of proving Saren's guilt, because the Council refuses to believe an eyewitness, but will just accept an audio file from a drifting space gypsy. From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET. Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't. So you think it's alright to like dumb things if they're enjoyable but if someone thinks that parts of what they enjoy is dumb then to you, that means that said someone is not actually a fan? I love the Mass Effect series but I still consider it to have its fair share of silly and questionable moments. Remember this line from Shepard? "This isn't about strategy or tactics: this is about survival". That's a veteran of many battles and a military leader to boot saying this.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 23, 2017 1:35:23 GMT
Shepard was made spectre way too soon. How? He's was already a hero and the first words are talking about Shepard and if he's ready. The council had already sent another spectre to review Shepard so they were thinking about it. Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Put it this way, it was a damn sight longer than becoming a Pathfinder eh Not really... A. The Pathfinder was forced by circumstances to make Ryder Pathfinder before the latter was ready. A fact that can be commented on by multiple characters in the very short time I have played including the protagonist themselves. B. Nihlus was supposed to watch Shepard and evuluate them on their candidacy of being Spectre. Nihlus died before completing their mission. And the Council considered the mission on Eden Prime to be a failure. And it was still a failure despite the fact that Saren was responsible. Sure, Saren was a jerk and did horrible things...that didn't make the Eden Prime mission any less a failure, and it also meant Shepard became a Spectre without being observed by one...something we were led to believe was important. C. I also find the circumstances that prove Shepard's worth as Spectre to be dubious at best. Beating up a couple of random mercs on the Wards, just hand delivering a message proving Saren's guilt, and then convincing the Council you can do it? How does that work exactly? Especially without a Spectre recommendation. What are the rest of the Spectres so corrupt that they literally cannot trust a single one of them? Furthermore Shepard was never allowed to express their lack of qualifications to be Spectre. If i were them I would have kept Nihlus alive and ensured that he lived till nearly the end, Anderson would have still been in command of the Normandy, and then the events of the game would have demonstrated you could be a Spectre...and not have it gift wrapped to you on a silver platter. If BioWare insisted on killing of Nihlus then I would have replaced him with another Spectre.
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Post by saga on Mar 23, 2017 1:43:27 GMT
I think that one's assessment of the game largely comes down to what you value in games, and what you were hoping for in MEA. Likewise, what bothers one person varies wildly from what bothers another.
Personally, I look for games that have:
Likeable characters Freedom to design your own protagonist (personality and appearance) Quality dialogue A plot that makes sense A game world that feels fleshed-out and full of life
I don't care about:
Combat mechanics Glitches (for the most part) Challenge (I play games to relax, and difficult games stress me out) World size
The problem with MEA for me personally is that while it does many things better than the MET (namely combat and exploration/open world), those tend to be the things that I don't particularly care about. And, unfortunately, it takes steps backwards on things that are vital to me, like being able to create the character I've pictured in my mind in CC, quality of dialogue, and likeable characters. It isn't a bad game, but it isn't quite the game that I wanted and expected based on the original trilogy.
Of course, even the things that I view as disappointing are subjective. I don't like cheesy lines or awkwardness (Sara's lines and facial expressions), so I've been disappointed in some of the dialogue. However, someone who loves a fun, quirky tone probably would like it a lot. But I wanted to play a smooth, fairly serious character in a darker world. The fact that Sara has times when she is inescapably stilted, awkward, and child-like just drives me a little nuts, because it's a different type of character than I had envisioned. I love that she has more personality than, say, the DAI inquisitor (Zzz, Zzz...), but I would have preferred that her personality manifest differently. She is appealing to a lot of players, but not to me.
So, because of her dialogue in addition to her darty eyes and perma-smile that makes her look emotionally detached/insensitive, I'm having a hard time connecting with the protagonist. I don't want to look at her in cutscenes, and I find myself annoyed and actually disliking the character I'm playing. That makes it really, really hard for me to enjoy the other quality aspects of the game. Add to the fact that my Ryder looks nothing like how I wanted her to look due to the CC, and stilted dialogue not only with Ryder but also with other characters, the game has already dropped to a 7/10 at best for me.
Sometimes, it isn't that a game is "bad," per se, but rather that it isn't a good fit for a given player. It's especially disappointing when previous games in a series were a good fit, and you expected future games to gain or at least maintain the strengths that you valued.
Because everyone values different things, there are going to be wildly differing opinions - the important thing to realize is that not everyone has to enjoy the game, and not everyone has to dislike it. Opinions are individual and trying to persuade others into holding your own viewpoint is futile and serves no productive purpose. That said, we can probably all understand why some people like the game and some don't - respecting that fact is imperative if we're going to have any sort of dialogue about MEA. Saying that people who are disappointed are "bitching," or calling people who enjoy the game "blind" serves no purpose whatsoever.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 23, 2017 1:45:08 GMT
From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET. Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't. So you think it's alright to like dumb things if they're enjoyable but if someone thinks that parts of what they enjoy is dumb then to you, that means that said someone is not actually a fan? I love the Mass Effect series but I still consider it to have its fair share of silly and questionable moments. Remember this line from Shepard? "This isn't about strategy or tactics: this is about survival". That's a veteran of many battles and a military leader to boot saying this. I have never understood the problem with that line. Shepard knows that strategy and tactics won't stop them, the war is about survival period.
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Post by pdusen on Mar 23, 2017 1:51:21 GMT
Alright, I'm not caught up on all the bickering in this thread, but between the several hours I played today and yesterday, I've come to this single conclusion:
MEA is better than ME1.
Come at me, bros
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Post by colfoley on Mar 23, 2017 1:55:45 GMT
Alright, I'm not caught up on all the bickering in this thread, but between the several hours I played today and yesterday, I've come to this single conclusion: MEA is better than ME1. Come at me, bros Its off to a better start then ME 1 certainly. I'll be posting my full thoughts...later.
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Post by areskeith on Mar 23, 2017 1:55:48 GMT
If i were them I would have kept Nihlus alive and ensured that he lived till nearly the end, Anderson would have still been in command of the Normandy, and then the events of the game would have demonstrated you could be a Spectre...and not have it gift wrapped to you on a silver platter. If BioWare insisted on killing of Nihlus then I would have replaced him with another Spectre. To comment on this one of the things I was disappointed in was the lack of Spectres in the trilogy
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Post by colfoley on Mar 23, 2017 1:57:15 GMT
If i were them I would have kept Nihlus alive and ensured that he lived till nearly the end, Anderson would have still been in command of the Normandy, and then the events of the game would have demonstrated you could be a Spectre...and not have it gift wrapped to you on a silver platter. If BioWare insisted on killing of Nihlus then I would have replaced him with another Spectre. To comment on this one of the things I was disappointed in was the lack of Spectres in the trilogy And two of the three we met were muhahaha evilz.
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Post by areskeith on Mar 23, 2017 1:58:25 GMT
To comment on this one of the things I was disappointed in was the lack of Spectres in the trilogy And two of the three we met were muhahaha evilz. Well I personally didn't consider Tela Vasir evil (still wish we could've saved her) because her reasons really did make Shepard look like a hypocrite And we really should've saw more than one pop up in ME3
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Post by shechinah on Mar 23, 2017 2:05:41 GMT
I have never understood the problem with that line. Shepard knows that strategy and tactics won't stop them, the war is about survival period. Here's the thing, though, strategy and tactics are how you survive. The very moment Shepard starts thinking about how to approach this war and starts formulating a plan, Shepard is strategizing. Strategy is commonly defined as: "a careful plan or method for achieving a particular goal usually over a long period of time"Tactics are commonly defined as: "the art or science of disposing military or naval forces for battle and maneuvering them in battle."
The storyline objectives are based around the strategies formulated by the characters. Example: Primarch Victus's goal is to protect Palaven while at the same time, sparing aid for Humanity. He strategizes that by achieving an alliance with the krogan and securing them as ground forces, the turians will be able to spare aid, thereby allowing him to accomplish his goal. Example: The Crucible itself is a goal. To accomplish this goal, Shepard tries to assemble the various races into a unified alliance as a strategy that is intended to secure enough time for the Crucible to be build and readied.
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 23, 2017 2:06:17 GMT
I actually feel relieved that other people think the same way lol! I thought I was alone in this. I really enjoyed ME2 because of improvements like the Combat for example. However, the story was a hot mess and felt like a filler episode (like The Walking Dead for example). It was a story that was not required, didn't show the true weight of the decisions that you made in the 1st game and overall I never expected the game's storyline to be like that.
As you said Bioware should be praised for making it work, but I feel that this game is nothing like that and really carries over as a true predecessor of the first game.
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