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Post by whisperedn7x on Mar 24, 2017 19:25:02 GMT
First let me preface this and saying i've been gaming since Atari 5200. Anyone from the 80's 90's generation will tell you that when a videogame
was released you got what you got. Their were no forum's or twitter to complain about how much the game s**ked. Put yourself in Bioware shoe's lets say
you made a game and believed in all the hard work you did. Would you listen to some fat neckbeard or johnny living in his mom's basement tell you how to make a videogame? Now I know they are the consumer but, Bioware shouldn't have to change anything for any of us. Did they make mistakes yes however let me point something out to you. Lets say MEA and ME1 swapped places and MEA came out in 2007. I guarantee people would have said "ME1" is too short, "terrible facial animations" "not enough side quest" "boring". Lets not forget people complaining about ME2 (my personal favorite) about how their wasn't enough skill points like the first. My point is no company can make everyone happy but at least they tried.
It's absolutely amazes me how much people compare this Mass Effect to the trilogy, when Bioware said 1000 times this has nothing to do with the previous game, so why would you compare them? The trilogy holds a special place to all of us but if you dwell on a game 10 years ago how do allow yourself the ability to enjoy the new game, its kind of like talking about a girl you dated when your in high school to your wife DON"T DO IT! No offense but this generation is nothing but whiny beta cucks that act like they're at their mothers book club. If you hate Mass Effect go to school learn programming and make your own sci-fi game.
Oh and let me say this last thing people complaining about ugly women, let me ask you this. How many nerdy science girls you know are super hot? Lets think realistically If you had a bunch of woman doing space exploration and tech stuff, or are soldiers do you really think they would look like Victoria Secret models? I love this game for what it is, I told myself to completely enjoy this game I'd act as the other games never existed and many other people love this game to.
Grow up people be happy or hate the game and play something else.
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Post by havard on Mar 24, 2017 19:42:28 GMT
I work in a university research lab, and I see tons of 'nerdy science girls' who are smoking hot on a regular basis.
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Post by psychomunkay on Mar 24, 2017 20:30:57 GMT
I work in a university research lab, and I see tons of 'nerdy science girls' who are smoking hot on a regular basis. But you do understand what a generalization is right? Just like, generally speaking, guys that are in a motorcycle gang look rough/mean and wear leather. I'm sure there are numerous guys in motorcycle gangs that do not look rough/mean nor wear leather. But if I were to point such out when someone made said generalization, i'd expect to be looked at like an idiot that doesn't understand what a generalization is. |
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Post by havard on Mar 24, 2017 20:55:20 GMT
I'd say that depends on whether said gang required such a jacket.
I would say that -generally- the distribution of attractive/average/unattractive is pretty wide.
What I mean is that there are no more or less attractive girls distributed into nerdy situations than anywhere else. It seems pretty even to me, as someone who travels in and out of such circles.
Which is more my criticism. There seems to be a distinct lack of the top end of the attractiveness scale, which is equally as jarring as it would be if there was no one to represent the bottom.
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Post by jpcab on Mar 24, 2017 21:00:40 GMT
You could have told me before..I pre ordered the game cuz it had Mass Effect on the title
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Post by psychomunkay on Mar 24, 2017 21:10:21 GMT
What I mean is that there are no more or less attractive girls distributed into nerdy situations than anywhere else. I think most would disagree in general. But, I cannot refute with empirical evidence. Besides beauty being entirely subjective, I think MEA did a pretty good job of having some cute/attractive people in general, as well as some more rough/brusque and a smattering of average/run of the mill. |
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Post by Blackheart on Mar 24, 2017 21:34:24 GMT
Well, guess what grandpa, times changed, technology goes forward, hardware is getting more and more advanced, there is more competition etc. If you want me to spend 1000€ on new computer every few years and 60 bucks for your game, then you better deliver. If you decide to make your game graphic and power greedy and force me too have good computer to run it decently, you better make those faces and animations look appropriate to that.
You're acting like they are making games because they have such a sweet heart and are giving us games for free. This is their job. It's same in every business, if you want to make money and stay relevant, you have to evolve, adapt, follow the market and go along with future.
They said we shouldn't compare MEA with MET? Are you serious? How the hell would they expect anyone to not compare them? It's a same fucking universe. It's a Mass effect game. If they are not making Mass effect game, then change the title. No, instead they want to make money based of older, well established title, but they don't want you to compare them? LOL, what? I can understand not comparing story, since this is fresh start with different characters and such, but to not compare it by gameplay and design? You serious?
No one told them to make this game big as it is. I'm sure many would be happy with something like MET. No one told Bioware to go with quantity over quality. If they can't pull it off, if they don't have resources and money or are too lazy, they should just stick to what they can make good.
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Post by psychomunkay on Mar 24, 2017 21:39:40 GMT
Well, guess what grandpa, times changed, techonology goes forward, hardware is getting more and more advanced, there is more competition etc. If you want me to spend 1000€ on new computer every few years and 60 bucks for your game, then you better deliver. If you decide to make your game graphic and power greedy and force me too have good computer to run it decently, you better make those faces and animations look appropriate to that. You're acting like they are making games because they have such a sweet heart and are giving us games for free. This is their job. It's same in every business, if you want to make money and stay relevant, you have to evolve, adapt, follow the market and go along with future. They said we shouldn't compare MEA with MET? Are you serious? How the hell would they expect anyone to not compare them? It's a same fucking universe. It's a mass effect game. If they are not making Mass effect game, then change the title. No, isntead they want to make money based of older, well established title, but they don't want you to compare them? LOL, what? I can understand not comparing story, since this is fresh start with different characters and such, but to not compare it by gameplay and design? You serious? No one told them to make this game big as it is. I'm sure many would be happy with something like MET. No one told Bioware to go with quantity over quality. If they can't pull it off, if they don't have resources and money or are too lazy, they should just stick to what they can make good. But many would argue this game is in fact good and worth the $60's... I think you're struggling to deal with the difference between your opinion and fact. Even if people in general agreed that it was "factually accurate" that the game is a 7.5/10...that's still a GOOD game worth $60's. Not GoTY, not GoAT, but still a good game worth the cost. Also, i'm sure the OP knows what i'm talking about, but a lot of gamers today that weren't gaming in the 80's fail to understand that gaming is actually cheaper nowadays. This is fact. You not only get MORE from a game developer, but it costs you less and can dynamically change over time via patching/expansion. I really think what the OP is trying to convey is that people are a bit "spoiled" in this day and age, and those that have been around for the birth of home video-gaming seem to have a different appreciation for games that someone who had a playstation 2 as their first system does. |
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 24, 2017 21:44:21 GMT
Well, guess what grandpa, times changed, techonology goes forward, hardware is getting more and more advanced, there is more competition etc. If you want me to spend 1000€ on new computer every few years and 60 bucks for your game, then you better deliver. If you decide to make your game graphic and power greedy and force me too have good computer to run it decently, you better make those faces and animations look appropriate to that. You're acting like they are making games because they have such a sweet heart and are giving us games for free. This is their job. It's same in every business, if you want to make money and stay relevant, you have to evolve, adapt, follow the market and go along with future. They said we shouldn't compare MEA with MET? Are you serious? How the hell would they expect anyone to not compare them? It's a same fucking universe. It's a mass effect game. If they are not making Mass effect game, then change the title. No, isntead they want to make money based of older, well established title, but they don't want you to compare them? LOL, what? I can understand not comparing story, since this is fresh start with different characters and such, but to not compare it by gameplay and design? You serious? No one told them to make this game big as it is. I'm sure many would be happy with something like MET. No one told Bioware to go with quantity over quality. If they can't pull it off, if they don't have resources and money or are too lazy, they should just stick to what they can make good. But many would argue this game is in fact good and worth the $60's... I think you're struggling to deal with the difference between your opinion and fact. Even if people in general agreed that it was "factually accurate" that the game is a 7.5/10...that's still a GOOD game worth $60's. Not GoTY, not GoAT, but still a good game worth the cost. Also, i'm sure the OP knows what i'm talking about, but a lot of gamers today that weren't gaming in the 80's fail to understand that gaming is actually cheaper nowadays. This is fact. You not only get MORE from a game developer, but it costs you less and can dynamically change over time via patching/expansion. I really think what the OP is trying to convey is that people are a bit "spoiled" in this day and age, and those that have been around for the birth of home video-gaming seem to have a different appreciation for games that someone who had a playstation 2 as their first system does. So much this. People seem to expect a life changing game for 60 bucks nowadays. Get real. 60 bucks is nothing. That's barely a night out. This game will give you hundreds of hours of enjoyment. |
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Post by Blackheart on Mar 24, 2017 21:53:00 GMT
Well, guess what grandpa, times changed, techonology goes forward, hardware is getting more and more advanced, there is more competition etc. If you want me to spend 1000€ on new computer every few years and 60 bucks for your game, then you better deliver. If you decide to make your game graphic and power greedy and force me too have good computer to run it decently, you better make those faces and animations look appropriate to that. You're acting like they are making games because they have such a sweet heart and are giving us games for free. This is their job. It's same in every business, if you want to make money and stay relevant, you have to evolve, adapt, follow the market and go along with future. They said we shouldn't compare MEA with MET? Are you serious? How the hell would they expect anyone to not compare them? It's a same fucking universe. It's a mass effect game. If they are not making Mass effect game, then change the title. No, isntead they want to make money based of older, well established title, but they don't want you to compare them? LOL, what? I can understand not comparing story, since this is fresh start with different characters and such, but to not compare it by gameplay and design? You serious? No one told them to make this game big as it is. I'm sure many would be happy with something like MET. No one told Bioware to go with quantity over quality. If they can't pull it off, if they don't have resources and money or are too lazy, they should just stick to what they can make good. But many would argue this game is in fact good and worth the $60's... I think you're struggling to deal with the difference between your opinion and fact. Even if people in general agreed that it was "factually accurate" that the game is a 7.5/10...that's still a GOOD game worth $60's. Not GoTY, not GoAT, but still a good game worth the cost. Also, i'm sure the OP knows what i'm talking about, but a lot of gamers today that weren't gaming in the 80's fail to understand that gaming is actually cheaper nowadays. This is fact. You not only get MORE from a game developer, but it costs you less and can dynamically change over time via patching/expansion. I really think what the OP is trying to convey is that people are a bit "spoiled" in this day and age, and those that have been around for the birth of home video-gaming seem to have a different appreciation for games that someone who had a playstation 2 as their first system does. Not sure why you're talking to me about scores and if game is worth it or not. I only said comparing games, especially from same developer and same franchise is reasonable and expected and that having standards is not a crime. It's completely natural that a customer want the information before they buy and if they buy, they want good product. And only a foolish seller would ignore feedback of his customers. You'll have to open your eyes and realize the fact that there are so many games out there, that people will simply choose where they want to put their money. If you are looking to buy a game, why would you pay 60 bucks for a game that is 7/10 for you, if you can get a game that is 10/10 for you? Unless you really don't know where to put money and how to spend your time. You forgot to mention developers make more money today than what they got 20 years ago. |
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Post by zan on Mar 24, 2017 21:57:49 GMT
Expectations grow with each new installment of the franchise and with the passage of time. People expect the studio to learn from previous mistakes and to incorporate the best from other games that have been released since the previous installment came out.
So the question for a lot of gamers becomes not whether the new game is better than the previous installment but whether it meets their high expectations which are based on a number of external factors.
These are not always reasonable expectations, but like any business, gaming industry does need to come out with a product that is competitive in the niche it is aiming to occupy.
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Post by Blackheart on Mar 24, 2017 21:58:37 GMT
But many would argue this game is in fact good and worth the $60's... I think you're struggling to deal with the difference between your opinion and fact. Even if people in general agreed that it was "factually accurate" that the game is a 7.5/10...that's still a GOOD game worth $60's. Not GoTY, not GoAT, but still a good game worth the cost. Also, i'm sure the OP knows what i'm talking about, but a lot of gamers today that weren't gaming in the 80's fail to understand that gaming is actually cheaper nowadays. This is fact. You not only get MORE from a game developer, but it costs you less and can dynamically change over time via patching/expansion. I really think what the OP is trying to convey is that people are a bit "spoiled" in this day and age, and those that have been around for the birth of home video-gaming seem to have a different appreciation for games that someone who had a playstation 2 as their first system does. So much this. People seem to expect a life changing game for 60 bucks nowadays. Get real. 60 bucks is nothing. That's barely a night out. This game will give you hundreds of hours of enjoyment. Of course, unless someone doesn't share your opinion and actually doesn't like game enough to justify buying it. Also 60 bucks is 10-15% of salary in a lot of countries. for 60 bucks you can eat whole week. People like that probably choose their games carefully. A lot of people only buy on sales. So, take your advice, and get real. |
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Post by psychomunkay on Mar 24, 2017 22:04:45 GMT
But many would argue this game is in fact good and worth the $60's... I think you're struggling to deal with the difference between your opinion and fact. Even if people in general agreed that it was "factually accurate" that the game is a 7.5/10...that's still a GOOD game worth $60's. Not GoTY, not GoAT, but still a good game worth the cost. Also, i'm sure the OP knows what i'm talking about, but a lot of gamers today that weren't gaming in the 80's fail to understand that gaming is actually cheaper nowadays. This is fact. You not only get MORE from a game developer, but it costs you less and can dynamically change over time via patching/expansion. I really think what the OP is trying to convey is that people are a bit "spoiled" in this day and age, and those that have been around for the birth of home video-gaming seem to have a different appreciation for games that someone who had a playstation 2 as their first system does. Not sure why you're talking to me about scores and if game is worth it or not. I only said comparing games, especially from same developer and same franchise is reasonable and expected and that having standards is not a crime. It's completely natural that a customer want the information before they buy and if they buy, they want good product. And only a foolish seller would ignore feedback of his customers. You'll have to open your eyes and realize the fact that there are so many games out there, that people will simply choose where they want to put their money. If you are looking to buy a game, why would you pay 60 bucks for a game that is 7/10 for you, if you can get a game that is 10/10 for you? Unless you really don't know where to put money and how to spend your time. You forgot to mention developers make more money today than what they got 20 years ago. My apologies if I was unclear, it's not my intention to insult or offend either. Your last paragraph is what most of this was directed at. I used scores to illustrate how subjective "good" really is, and when you say that Bioware shouldn't make games if they're going to be lazy or don't have enough money...I figured you were implying that MEA is not good enough to have even been made...not sure how else that statement can be taken really. Also, when you say "developers make more today", that's technically not true. Development teams were smaller back then, and in the burgeoning environment of videogame development a lot of people were making money hands over fist. This is what created so much growth in the industry. Nowadays, believe it or not, many development companies are these sprawling firms of design where the budget is spread very thin over numerous "programming laborers" with a few high-ups overseeing the process. Are SOME people making more money? Sure, but the vast majority of developers are not highly paid professionals. The Directors are (Creative Director etc). |
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Mar 24, 2017 22:14:47 GMT
So much this. People seem to expect a life changing game for 60 bucks nowadays. Get real. 60 bucks is nothing. That's barely a night out. This game will give you hundreds of hours of enjoyment. Of course, unless someone doesn't share your opinion and actually doesn't like game enough to justify buying it. Also 60 bucks is 10-15% of salary in a lot of countries.for 60 bucks you can eat whole week. People like that probably choose their games carefully. A lot of people only buy on sales. So, take your advice, and get real. Hear, hear. As I mentioned somewhere earlier, in my country (and this is Europe, mind you) Andromeda's super deluxe edition costs around 20% of an average monthly salary. So, talking about "60 bucks being nothing" is kinda narrow-minded, if not downright arrogant. |
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Post by Blackheart on Mar 24, 2017 22:18:33 GMT
Not sure why you're talking to me about scores and if game is worth it or not. I only said comparing games, especially from same developer and same franchise is reasonable and expected and that having standards is not a crime. It's completely natural that a customer want the information before they buy and if they buy, they want good product. And only a foolish seller would ignore feedback of his customers. You'll have to open your eyes and realize the fact that there are so many games out there, that people will simply choose where they want to put their money. If you are looking to buy a game, why would you pay 60 bucks for a game that is 7/10 for you, if you can get a game that is 10/10 for you? Unless you really don't know where to put money and how to spend your time. You forgot to mention developers make more money today than what they got 20 years ago. My apologies if I was unclear, it's not my intention to insult or offend either. Your last paragraph is what most of this was directed at. I used scores to illustrate how subjective "good" really is, and when you say that Bioware shouldn't make games if they're going to be lazy or don't have enough money...I figured you were implying that MEA is not good enough to have even been made...not sure how else that statement can be taken really. I was talking about certain parts of the game. I think we can agree, it would be foolish to deny that game is suffering from bugs, poor animations and poor npcs faces as few examples. So, what caused this? Either lack of time, lack of money or just not putting enough effort into it. My point was, they decided to make the game couple of times bigger than ME3 and sacrifise some quality for it. It shows. Like many would say: Quality>quantity. Now, I didn't say the game is bad or doesn't deserve anyones attention. Every gamer will decide for themselves if it's worth their money. I just can't agree with OP saying we shouldn't compare games or that we shouldn't complain. That's not how any business and real life works. I am consumer, it's my money and I can do whatever I want with it. And I can say, no thios game is not worth my money. It's my opinion and my right to make a decision. |
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Post by vonuber on Mar 24, 2017 22:19:50 GMT
If you can afford to spend $60 on a game, as well as the system to play it on, then you are not poor.
And you should go back to using pounds - our new £1 is going to have 12 sides. Marvellous.
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If you can afford to spend $60 on a game, as well as the system to play it on, then you are not poor. And you should go back to using pounds - our new £1 is going to have 12 sides. Marvellous. They may not be poor compared to someone making $1 a day, but they could still have a budget to stick to, and therefore wouldn't want to spend $60 on a game that didn't deliver on its promises, when there are many other games they could buy instead. |
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 24, 2017 22:29:27 GMT
Well, guess what grandpa, times changed, technology goes forward, hardware is getting more and more advanced, there is more competition etc. If you want me to spend 1000€ on new computer every few years and 60 bucks for your game, then you better deliver. If you decide to make your game graphic and power greedy and force me too have good computer to run it decently, you better make those faces and animations look appropriate to that. You're acting like they are making games because they have such a sweet heart and are giving us games for free. This is their job. It's same in every business, if you want to make money and stay relevant, you have to evolve, adapt, follow the market and go along with future. They said we shouldn't compare MEA with MET? Are you serious? How the hell would they expect anyone to not compare them? It's a same fucking universe. It's a Mass effect game. If they are not making Mass effect game, then change the title. No, instead they want to make money based of older, well established title, but they don't want you to compare them? LOL, what? I can understand not comparing story, since this is fresh start with different characters and such, but to not compare it by gameplay and design? You serious? No one told them to make this game big as it is. I'm sure many would be happy with something like MET. No one told Bioware to go with quantity over quality. If they can't pull it off, if they don't have resources and money or are too lazy, they should just stick to what they can make good. I don't think there is a problem comparing Andromeda to the first three games, but compare them one on one instead of lumping the best parts of all three games against one. Each of the first three games had problems as well and lumping them together makes it easier to skip over those problems. |
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Post by suikoden on Mar 24, 2017 22:34:14 GMT
First let me preface this and saying i've been gaming since Atari 5200. Anyone from the 80's 90's generation will tell you that when a videogame was released you got what you got. Their were no forum's or twitter to complain about how much the game s**ked. Put yourself in Bioware shoe's lets say you made a game and believed in all the hard work you did. Would you listen to some fat neckbeard or johnny living in his mom's basement tell you how to make a videogame? Now I know they are the consumer but, Bioware shouldn't have to change anything for any of us. Did they make mistakes yes however let me point something out to you. Lets say MEA and ME1 swapped places and MEA came out in 2007. I guarantee people would have said "ME1" is too short, "terrible facial animations" "not enough side quest" "boring". Lets not forget people complaining about ME2 (my personal favorite) about how their wasn't enough skill points like the first. My point is no company can make everyone happy but at least they tried. It's absolutely amazes me how much people compare this Mass Effect to the trilogy, when Bioware said 1000 times this has nothing to do with the previous game, so why would you compare them? The trilogy holds a special place to all of us but if you dwell on a game 10 years ago how do allow yourself the ability to enjoy the new game, its kind of like talking about a girl you dated when your in high school to your wife DON"T DO IT! No offense but this generation is nothing but whiny beta cucks that act like they're at their mothers book club. If you hate Mass Effect go to school learn programming and make your own sci-fi game. Oh and let me say this last thing people complaining about ugly women, let me ask you this. How many nerdy science girls you know are super hot? Lets think realistically If you had a bunch of woman doing space exploration and tech stuff, or are soldiers do you really think they would look like Victoria Secret models? I love this game for what it is, I told myself to completely enjoy this game I'd act as the other games never existed and many other people love this game to. Grow up people be happy or hate the game and play something else. You compare them because "Mass Effect" is in the name... People buy it because of that name. Therefore, comparisons are valid. Call it something else if you don't want to deal with comparisons. Just call it Andromeda. And then watch it sink and burn because no one is buying a new IP called Andromeda that's getting a 74% on metacritic (which is currently the 30th best rating for PS4 for 2017). You also compare them because Bioware is in the name. People buy it because of that name - therefore comparisons are valid. Even more-so when you consider Bioware has a history of beloved RPGs. Heck, as a fellow old-school gamer, I'll compare it to Baldur's Gate right now. It's crap in comparison. That game, from the late 90's, does open world better than Andromeda. It also has better dialogue, writing, story, polish... People will still be playing that 20 years from now. No one will be playing Andromeda 2 years from now (although I'll admit, it's memes will live on forever). |
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Post by psychomunkay on Mar 24, 2017 22:34:15 GMT
My apologies if I was unclear, it's not my intention to insult or offend either. Your last paragraph is what most of this was directed at. I used scores to illustrate how subjective "good" really is, and when you say that Bioware shouldn't make games if they're going to be lazy or don't have enough money...I figured you were implying that MEA is not good enough to have even been made...not sure how else that statement can be taken really. I was talking about certain parts of the game. I think we can agree, it would be foolish to deny that game is suffering from bugs, poor animations and poor npcs faces as few examples. So, what caused this? Either lack of time, lack of money or just not putting enough effort into it. My point was, they decided to make the game couple of times bigger than ME3 and sacrifise some quality for it. It shows. Like many would say: Quality>quantity. Now, I didn't say the game is bad or doesn't deserve anyones attention. Every gamer will decide for themselves if it's worth their money. I just can't agree with OP saying we shouldn't compare games or that we shouldn't complain. That's not how any business and real life works. I am consumer, it's my money and I can do whatever I want with it. And I can say, no thios game is not worth my money. It's my opinion and my right to make a decision. All fair points, and thank you for remaining civil within this discussion. I could've misunderstood the OP, but I don't think it's a matter of specifically not comparing games - moreso comparing a 3 game trilogy to an initial title is pretty unfair. Especially when you consider that we don't have the whole trilogy. It's fair to just compare this game to other open world games within the genre (DA:I or TW3 or MGS) then it is to the ENTIRE ME trilogy. Let's not discuss how real life and business works, being we don't really know each other's backgrounds, and most business professionals would agree that each industry is its own animal and not easily compared. All business models with sales to end-consumers are not created equal, nor run in the same fashion. I'd never try to tell you where you can and cannot spend your money. But I think if we're being rational, I think it's moreso the "heat" of the commentary being tossed around. "Garbage, junk, should've never been made, etc" that is what some people are questioning. There's a lot of hyperbole regarding the current state of the game, which imo, is pretty unfair and disrespectful to the devs that clearly spent a lot of time and effort trying to produce this title. Simply put, I highly doubt no matter how hard/long they tried, there'd still be people trying to compare 3 fully fleshed out beloved titles to a singular reboot title and it'd NEVER live up to expectations. That's the real point. Comparing 3 of the some of the most iconic titles in videogame history with 1 reboot looking to create a new trilogy simply isn't fair and nigh impossible to live up to. |
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Post by ShiftyCow on Mar 24, 2017 22:34:59 GMT
And don't think the OP speaks for the entirety of us "olds" playing this game.
I was in my mid-30s when the original ME came out and I fell in love - for perspective.
And having been a gamer for many many years, I definitely expected better than this, especially considering they are using the franchise name and universe to drive the game (or should I say - profit?). And yes, I do have the right, if not obligation, to make my criticisms, comparisons and comments about the quality of this particular product. How do you think we managed to get a slightly less shitty ending for ME3?
The graphical/animation issues present in this game are damn near inexcusable for today's standards and technology.
And you really can tell that there was not a dedicated, vision driven, industry experienced, creative team running this production.
This is not an Indy game.
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Post by Blackheart on Mar 24, 2017 22:38:02 GMT
Well, guess what grandpa, times changed, technology goes forward, hardware is getting more and more advanced, there is more competition etc. If you want me to spend 1000€ on new computer every few years and 60 bucks for your game, then you better deliver. If you decide to make your game graphic and power greedy and force me too have good computer to run it decently, you better make those faces and animations look appropriate to that. You're acting like they are making games because they have such a sweet heart and are giving us games for free. This is their job. It's same in every business, if you want to make money and stay relevant, you have to evolve, adapt, follow the market and go along with future. They said we shouldn't compare MEA with MET? Are you serious? How the hell would they expect anyone to not compare them? It's a same fucking universe. It's a Mass effect game. If they are not making Mass effect game, then change the title. No, instead they want to make money based of older, well established title, but they don't want you to compare them? LOL, what? I can understand not comparing story, since this is fresh start with different characters and such, but to not compare it by gameplay and design? You serious? No one told them to make this game big as it is. I'm sure many would be happy with something like MET. No one told Bioware to go with quantity over quality. If they can't pull it off, if they don't have resources and money or are too lazy, they should just stick to what they can make good. I don't think there is a problem comparing Andromeda to the first three games, but compare them one on one instead of lumping the best parts of all three games against one. Each of the first three games had problems as well and lumping them together makes it easier to skip over those problems. Um... no problem. Take bugs for example. Compare to any of ME games. Andromeda wins by far (in a negative way). Take animations and compare to any ME game. Again, Andromeda wins by far. Take npc faces. Guess what? Yep, you guessed it. Did you see those Turians and Asari? The only bug I encountered in MET (in all my 7-8 trilogy playthroughs) was Shepard head spinning and that was like two times in total). In my 10 hours early access I encountered more bugs than in whole trilogy together. And these bugs were game breaking. Then I went on youtube and realised I only scratched a surface  |
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 24, 2017 22:47:29 GMT
I don't think there is a problem comparing Andromeda to the first three games, but compare them one on one instead of lumping the best parts of all three games against one. Each of the first three games had problems as well and lumping them together makes it easier to skip over those problems. Um... no problem. Take bugs for example. Compare to any of ME games. Andromeda wins by far (in a negative way). Take animations and compare to any ME game. Again, Andromeda wins by far. Take npc faces. Guess what? Yep, you guessed it. Did you see those Turians and Asari? The only bug I encountered in MET (in all my 7-8 trilogy playthroughs) was Shepard head spinning and that was like two times in total). In my 10 hours early access I encountered more bugs than in whole trilogy together. And these bugs were game breaking. Then I went on youtube and realised I only scratched a surface I don't remember the original games animations that well to compare those, but with bugs I think that becomes what you experience first hand. With Andromeda the worst bugs I have encountered was that one or two times in 20 hours of game one of my companions would be in the ground, but after taking a couple of steps it corrected itself. I remember the clipping issues in Mass Effect 3 that sent you to outerspace and you had to reload the game to fix it or the spot on the Normandy's bridge. The worst bug I ever encountered was in Mass Effect 1 when Ilos didn't unlock so I had to restart the game. So I guess it boils down to what a person experiences first hand, if I really had to complain about Andromeda was that the menus were designed for design over function for having to go two to three screens deep so it looks "pretty" gets old quick. |
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Post by Laughing_Crow on Mar 24, 2017 22:55:45 GMT
Well, I'm so old, when I was a kid, we didn't have binary stuff. Just some 1s, so we went outside to play.  As to the topic - stuff changes. Do you want to go back to your old machine and tv or prefer to game on a modern console or PC with hi-rez monitor/tv? In Canada, the Video Game industry employed over 20,000 people in more than 470 studios and contributed $3 billion to the country’s GDP. Why do you think it took 5 years to make this game? It's a lot more complicated now and it takes a lot more people and a lot more money. Addendum: my first game machine was in the late 1970s - a Telstar Pong game. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 24, 2017 23:11:54 GMT
Lulz
Been gaming since the 2600 bruh, and ColecoVision.
GOML, also, I disagree with your post entirely and am older than you, so....
This is ONE old school gamer's perspective, and his alone. YERHAW
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