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Post by DoctorFox on Mar 28, 2017 1:24:28 GMT
Youtube's VideoGameDunkey for reference:
Pretty much everything in that review is legit and Bioware needs to rectify those issues to save this game. The only thing i didn't agree on was when he talked about the voice acting being bad. I don't think that part is especially true. Even though the voice acting cast wasn't as prestigious as say ME2, they still had some very talented actors playing roles and they did a great job - even the less known ones.
That said though, if ME:A really did have a 40 million dollar budget... where did they pool those resources into? The UI is the most cluttered out of all the Mass Effect games. Crafting THEN having to develop as well afterwards? What is the point? Craft a weapon and the weapon should be done. Sure adding ammo types to it and scopes/barrels is cool but that should be done in the loadout section. Having to research a blueprint then develop it, then mod it is simply adding an unnecessary 3rd step. ME3 had it down perfect in the multiplayer loadout UI and Bioware Montreal was in charge of that. So why regress? I have no clue.
Still wondering where those resource funds went though - they sure didn't pour any into the animation studio. And all those weird glitch-outs when talking to people or walking around hubs, is not money well spent with regards to Quality Control. You can't not notice things like that when testing a game.
I really hope Bioware fixes these issues in a patch. Most of em seem like rookie mistakes. I'm bewildered at the fact no one picked up on them.
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Post by rafflesz on Mar 28, 2017 1:49:03 GMT
Isnt this the dunkey from league? That was indeed quite the beat down...but damn that exchange between sara and that lady about the dad beind dead. That was hella bleak...
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Post by colfoley on Mar 28, 2017 2:00:13 GMT
Oh yey more armchair quarterbacking.
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Post by blastchilla on Mar 28, 2017 2:02:20 GMT
He didn't lie. Especially on how campy and teeny bop this shit is. Then you have a crew of sycophants and a wimpy paragon main char to top it all off. Im struggling to play this. As much shit as DAI took you could at least scrape together a somewhat decent douchebag play through if you wanted
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In this carebear shit though? tough luck
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Post by smilesja on Mar 28, 2017 2:03:15 GMT
I prefer TotalBiscuit's review.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 28, 2017 2:08:37 GMT
He didn't lie. Especially on how campy and teeny bop this shit is. Then you have a crew of sycophants and a wimpy paragon main char to top it all off. Im struggling to play this. As much shit as DAI took you could at least scrape together a somewhat decent douchebag play through if you wanted . In this carebear shit though? tough luck Don't know what game you've been playing but i was able to shoot someone in cold blood after they had already surrendered. As for the sychophants my crew is having plenty of issues with me and with eachother.
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Post by timebean on Mar 28, 2017 2:25:29 GMT
He didn't lie. Especially on how campy and teeny bop this shit is. Then you have a crew of sycophants and a wimpy paragon main char to top it all off. Im struggling to play this. As much shit as DAI took you could at least scrape together a somewhat decent douchebag play through if you wanted . In this carebear shit though? tough luck Aaaaaand 17 minutes later, I am ready to kick some ass and take some names! Thanks for that!
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Post by empirex on Mar 28, 2017 2:26:14 GMT
I will leave this post by SolemnDemise here:
All in all, this video was pretty unrepresentative to the point where I'm not entirely sure where the satire and honest criticism are disconnected from each other.
Let's break it down piece by piece, and for context, I have well over 60 hours in the game with ~90% completion and only played on Insanity difficulty.
0:32 Various bugs: Scream lack of polish, to which I agree. However, take a clip from the opening minutes of the original Mass Effect and not show how unpolished it was isn't exactly being honest. While the gap between the games is large, the intent and development behind both of them was similar resulting in similar problem on this front.
0:50 Default Sara Ryder being hideous: Subjective, but I agree. I use a better, more pretty version of the default Sara made by the community. It took all of 3 minutes to find and use over the default BioWare one.
1:13 On previous Mass Effect games being solid 3rd person shooters; Mass Effect 1 controls like trash. Everyone knows it. When you tell people to play through it, you tell them to play through easy and power through because it isn't fun to play but it is fun to experience. Mass Effect 2 improves on 1 drastically, but didn't have the depth that 3 had. 2 is also where we start to see various issues with the scope of the story being presented that occur further into 3's development.
1:32 Liam isn't funny in the opening mission, this I agree. His loyalty mission on the other hand is easily one of the best quests in the game, full stop. So he's a mixed bag. Fair enough. Interesting you didn't talk about the no-nonsense characters like Vetra or Cora here, and instead talked about Liam and Peebee, two of the more silly characters as an indictment of the full cast.
1:48 Ah yes, I forgot you need household names to make a good cast. What we need in more games is Troy Baker, Nolan North, Jennifer Hale, Steve Blum. They're so underrepresented /s. Further, Dragon Age: Inquisition used a great deal of lesser known voice actors to a pretty good effect. I simply can't agree that the companions don't feel authentic because they don't use well known voice actors.
2:26 On Nakmor Kesh, 1.) We know what female Krogan sound like thanks to Urdnot Bakara from ME3's genophage arc (or 1st act). 2.) Kesh is a female. 3.) Kesh doesn't sound like that (though this one I think is satire, but I just figured I'd throw that out there).
2:40 "The combat has been dumbed down"
1.)To illustrate this point, you use a clip in which you run out into the open, presumably to highlight the stuck in the air raider, without using a skill ever. this is presumably not a difficulty that requires thought as death would quickly follow this action on anything higher than normal.
2.)It's only partially true that you can only have 3 abilities at a time. If you don't use the profiles system you're absolutely right. Not using that system, however, demands a really strong primary spec or lack of knowledge because you really are hamstringing yourself unless you build correctly. Profiles work like hidden hot bars with shifting passives, and using it properly in a fight can add many layers to encounters on higher difficulties. On lower difficulites, it isn't necessary because the game is braindead easy on anything lower than hardcore.
3.) Not being able to use squadmate abilities is a non-factor to me, as I gamed the system in the past titles. Playing as biotic in ME3 throw a squaddie in with overload and you win the game. In ME2, bring overload and squad incendiary ammo and you win the game. In ME1, just do your best against the krogan.
2:55 In order to illustrate the point about quests being confusing, I feel like you missed the mark here. The real problem with quests in the game is that it takes just a crazy amount of loading screens to get from planet to ship to quest giver to next planet, which you touch on in a disconnected way later in the video (4:10). Kadara is fantastically bad in this respect in that it takes 2 loading screens (3 if you're coming from out of system) and a short walk to even get to the questing area. Actually doing the quests when you get there is easy if you've played a video game in the last 10 years and know how to use a quest log or, y'know, context clues. Unless they bug out, which is a real possibility though not super common.
3:20 The AVP system and Strike teams are both explained. In fact, in order to use strike teams, you literally had to talk to two NPCs that explain how the system works. The AVP system is also talked about, though I suppose the game presumes you played DA:I to some degree to understand how its power system works and how similar it is to the AVP system. Also, as bad as some of the menus are in this game, I don't think anyone was confused by the vendor screen (3:23).
3:26 Research, then craft. There is no straight upgrade system in the game. Research doesn't take the same resource as actually crafting the guns, so its free(ish) to research the how, and the overall amount required to craft a given thing is basically non-existent. I never had an issue not having enough mats to craft whatever I wanted. I did run out of the research points a couple of times, though. The reason they give you every gun in the game is so you can research how to make them, then make them better than you can get in the open world if you augment them right.
3:40 Disliking open world games is subjective, but I can understand why a game about exploration would be open world, can't you?
3:44 This scene from first contact with the Angara is taken so hilariously out of context it strikes as completely dishonest. You cut all the dialogue from the walk, the subtext of your arrival and the circumstances for why the scene is even taking place. If you didn't want to touch on those things, using this as an example is counterproductive.
3:55 Disliking the nomad is understandable. Not for everyone. Using it for vehicular manslaughter, coincidentally, not for anyone.
4:35 In all honesty, I find Sara Ryder (Fryda Wolff) to be uninspiring in her delivery too, Dunk. Scott (Tom Taylorson) does an excellent job and seems a more natural fit for the role, much in the same way I though Jennifer Hale did a better job in most of ME1-2 than Meer did (and fell off in 3). Now, that said, Shepard and Ryder are two different characters. In my opinion, Ryder being unproven is a great benefit to the story, as if people trusted you as you stepped off Ark Hyperion after having succeeded the previous pathfinder seemingly by right of birth, it would be very jarring. Earning that trust and respect over the course of the game is the kind of narrative progression that sold me on Ryder completely. You also didn't show what could be the best line in the game right before the interrupt. The "I'm gonna fuck your shit up" line which, when said by Scott is pretty much gold.
5:14 The context is the chamber in which you stand, not the door. Again, don't know if this is satire or an actual example you use to enhance your criticism.
If anyone's made it this far, I commend you. I'm just a pleb on the internet who no-lifed this game. I'm also a BioWare apologist (I guess) seeing as how I really enjoyed MEA, liked the original ending to ME3, and like DA2. I'm open to discussion and am simply offering a different take on Dunk's which while I stand in some pretty solid disagreement, can understand where he's coming from.
Have a nice day. I have an actual paper to write now x.x
His thoughts save me time in expressing how tiring this Andromeda circlejerk has become.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 2:30:19 GMT
I don't care when they trash the game, I just watch to laugh my ass off. This last one was hilarious as well.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Mar 28, 2017 2:34:14 GMT
I'm curious to see angry joe, I know he's got things to say just by his multiplayer impression.
"5.99 to buy audio for multiplayer" that was after his audio cut out due to a bug and other joe then took over for audio.
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Post by General Aetius on Mar 28, 2017 2:41:58 GMT
*insert Ozzy gif*
"who the fuck is VideoGameDunkey?"
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Post by empirex on Mar 28, 2017 2:42:52 GMT
I'm curious to see angry joe, I know he's got things to say just by his multiplayer impression. "5.99 to buy audio for multiplayer" that was after his audio cut out due to a bug and other joe then took over for audio. On his stream, he definitely indicated it was a slightly above average game so I am expecting a 6/10. He did say it might change based on the ending.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 3:11:29 GMT
Hmm, he uses a ME 1 vid with modded textures in comparison portraying it as if it's the original ME 1 game...
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 28, 2017 3:17:06 GMT
I couldn't stand more than a minute of it.
Generally, while I'm not too hot about the game myself i find the continued clickbait-flaming and joking about the game even from sites such as Gamespot to be downright malicious now. We get it and it was funny and shocking at first but dear lord we should be well past talking about the faces by now. Everybody knows it sucks already.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Mar 28, 2017 3:22:53 GMT
Most of his complaints for this game are because he is too stupid to understand how the game works. It might be mean, but its true. I had no problem figuring out the menus or research and development. I have no problem connecting with the characters, and no problem with the voice acting. The facial animations don't bother me because I am just reading the subtitles anyways. If you are really too dumb to understand how this game works, go play COD or God of War or some shit.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 28, 2017 3:30:44 GMT
I couldn't stand more than a minute of it. Generally, while I'm not too hot about the game myself i find the continued clickbait-flaming and joking about the game even from sites such as Gamespot to be downright malicious now. We get it and it was funny and shocking at first but dear lord we should be well past talking about the faces by now. Everybody knows it sucks already. Disagree with the last point, but yeah as I've said repeatedly the internet is trying very hard to turn ME and Bioware into the new COD.
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Post by parnashwind on Mar 28, 2017 3:44:01 GMT
This is not a review, this is a rant...
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Post by goishen on Mar 28, 2017 3:54:52 GMT
I think it's funny as hell. "What's this SAM?" "It's a door!"
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Mar 28, 2017 4:03:07 GMT
This is not a review, this is a rant... This.
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Post by jastall on Mar 28, 2017 4:03:10 GMT
I couldn't stand more than a minute of it. Generally, while I'm not too hot about the game myself i find the continued clickbait-flaming and joking about the game even from sites such as Gamespot to be downright malicious now. We get it and it was funny and shocking at first but dear lord we should be well past talking about the faces by now. Everybody knows it sucks already. It's well past the point of constructive criticism now, I find. I think this is a first for Bioware, honestly. Much as I disagreed with a lot of criticisms (and sometimes praises!) levied at their previous titles, it was just that, disagreement. I simply did not agree with what was said. Sometimes the criticisms I disagreed with made consensus around the internet (I thought DA2 had a good combat system, just bad encounter design for instance) This time around, it honestly feels like people (including Youtubers) jumping on the bandwagon for likes and clicks. Really, this is the only explanation I got as for why this gets so much attention. The game's not perfect by any means, and this lack of polish should not be ignored at all, but there are titles with worse animations, features and bugs that didn't get a quarter of the spite Andromeda had (*looks at Fallout 4*). And it's almost always either Addison or the derpiest moments of Fem!Ryder that are used as if they were representative of the entire game. So much cherry picking going on it hurts. The only comparable event I remember is the outrage over ME3's ending, which also garnered a lot of attention. But not quite as much bile from the internet at large. If someone wants a review, go watch Totalbiscuit's, he gives it about 7/10 which is hardly blind fanboyism, but he's at least fair about the whole deal. Way better than trash-talkers with clickbait titles whoring for ad revenues with cherry-picked footage.
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Post by bekyuubi on Mar 28, 2017 4:08:59 GMT
I think you're missing one of the points empirex. The UI is clunky by design, confusing and a hassle to do with. That's his major gripe.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Mar 28, 2017 5:02:51 GMT
I couldn't stand more than a minute of it. Generally, while I'm not too hot about the game myself i find the continued clickbait-flaming and joking about the game even from sites such as Gamespot to be downright malicious now. We get it and it was funny and shocking at first but dear lord we should be well past talking about the faces by now. Everybody knows it sucks already. It's well past the point of constructive criticism now, I find. I think this is a first for Bioware, honestly. Much as I disagreed with a lot of criticisms (and sometimes praises!) levied at their previous titles, it was just that, disagreement. I simply did not agree with what was said. Sometimes the criticisms I disagreed with made consensus around the internet (I thought DA2 had a good combat system, just bad encounter design for instance) This time around, it honestly feels like people (including Youtubers) jumping on the bandwagon for likes and clicks. Really, this is the only explanation I got as for why this gets so much attention. The game's not perfect by any means, and this lack of polish should not be ignored at all, but there are titles with worse animations, features and bugs that didn't get a quarter of the spite Andromeda had (*looks at Fallout 4*). And it's almost always either Addison or the derpiest moments of Fem!Ryder that are used as if they were representative of the entire game. So much cherry picking going on it hurts. The only comparable event I remember is the outrage over ME3's ending, which also garnered a lot of attention. But not quite as much bile from the internet at large. If someone wants a review, go watch Totalbiscuit's, he gives it about 7/10 which is hardly blind fanboyism, but he's at least fair about the whole deal. Way better than trash-talkers with clickbait titles whoring for ad revenues with cherry-picked footage. I agree and I will look into Totalbiscuit's review based on what you said. Did you notice the title of the video? What a joke. After day 1 patch like prolly 90% of the shit he showed in the game are no longer an issue even. I haven't seen a single floating person, backwards gun or janky animations yet. I could be the hardware I have, but I doubt it.
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Post by clips7 on Mar 28, 2017 5:34:33 GMT
I couldn't stand more than a minute of it. Generally, while I'm not too hot about the game myself i find the continued clickbait-flaming and joking about the game even from sites such as Gamespot to be downright malicious now. We get it and it was funny and shocking at first but dear lord we should be well past talking about the faces by now. Everybody knows it sucks already. It's well past the point of constructive criticism now, I find. I think this is a first for Bioware, honestly. Much as I disagreed with a lot of criticisms (and sometimes praises!) levied at their previous titles, it was just that, disagreement. I simply did not agree with what was said. Sometimes the criticisms I disagreed with made consensus around the internet (I thought DA2 had a good combat system, just bad encounter design for instance) This time around, it honestly feels like people (including Youtubers) jumping on the bandwagon for likes and clicks. Really, this is the only explanation I got as for why this gets so much attention. The game's not perfect by any means, and this lack of polish should not be ignored at all, but there are titles with worse animations, features and bugs that didn't get a quarter of the spite Andromeda had (*looks at Fallout 4*). And it's almost always either Addison or the derpiest moments of Fem!Ryder that are used as if they were representative of the entire game. So much cherry picking going on it hurts. The only comparable event I remember is the outrage over ME3's ending, which also garnered a lot of attention. But not quite as much bile from the internet at large. If someone wants a review, go watch Totalbiscuit's, he gives it about 7/10 which is hardly blind fanboyism, but he's at least fair about the whole deal. Way better than trash-talkers with clickbait titles whoring for ad revenues with cherry-picked footage. Why are people comparing this game to a franchise like Fallout which was notorious for having bugs? People expect that from those games. The ME games 1-3 may have had their fair share of bugs, but the characters and facial animations have been on point and the production values and quality has always been stellar. People are complaining because it feels like the game has been downgraded. Even with Mass Effect 3 you saw a slight improvement in the visuals over Mass Effect 2. Nobody complained about janking animations or visuals.....Shepards armor looked incredible and more refined and detailed as was the textures given in all of the characters. I can't speak for other mishaps in Andromeda (menus, side quests, crafting etc)....but some of those animation scenes just should not have made it past QA.....Sure some are using this game for quick clicks and gags, but the issues that folks are talking about are not something people have been making up. I have seen reviews that respectively criticize the interface and the side-quest issues along with the crafting issues,...not game-breaking, but the issues are apparently fully realized.
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Post by vanillah on Mar 28, 2017 5:47:07 GMT
mmm that's the stuff, Dunkey you did it again! ME:A and Bioware needs to be dissed like that. This is one of the glitchiest and the most mediocre AAA games I've played in a while.
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