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Post by R'Shara on Apr 4, 2017 2:45:32 GMT
I think the whole genophage subplot was silly in the first place. Instead of making offspring stillborn, affecting fertility (fewer offspring created at all) would make a ton more sense and be way less heartbreaking and controversial.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 4, 2017 3:48:13 GMT
I think the whole genophage subplot was silly in the first place. Instead of making offspring stillborn, affecting fertility (fewer offspring created at all) would make a ton more sense and be way less heartbreaking and controversial. Definitely agreed. I never liked the entire subplot of how the genophage was created and I believe BioWare horribly butchered that entire issue throughout the three games. It's a large reason why I'd rather just not hear about it again because BioWare did such a poor job to start. This is just one of those call backs to the original trilogy that I do not believe was necessary. No, I'm not saying it shouldn't be mentioned at all. It just shouldn't be one of the major talking points for every single krogan in Andromeda.
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Post by Karin Davis on Apr 4, 2017 4:59:48 GMT
Anyone else irritated the Genophage is back? 6 votes yes, 85 votes no.
I don't know what you'r talking about, I barely remember any mention of the Genophage besides the little tidbit here and there, jsut like everything else.
Issues, jc. These issues are totes game-breaking and demoralising. /s
Sigh. Logging off again.
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Post by lierah on Apr 4, 2017 5:29:52 GMT
I don't remember it being talked about other than one conversation with Tann and Kesh - and I had to specifically ask them about it. I'm not saying it isn't there, I just don't remember it - which makes me think that *for me* it wasn't overly mentioned. I'd remember it if it was too much "in your face" pushed on you.
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Post by lyrim on Apr 4, 2017 6:04:37 GMT
Whether you like the Genophage subplot or not is kind of irrelevant since the Krogan that left on the arks left when the Genophage had still not been cured. I for one, don't see the big deal. The Genophage thing never bothered me like it does some people.
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Post by ravenous on Apr 4, 2017 6:06:59 GMT
Just sayin', man. Some folks might not have hit that bit of dialog yet and people new to the series wouldn't know of the ME3 plot. So let me get this straight... You are telling me a subplot from a game that released five years ago is a spoiler for MEA? Good to know. If I somehow ruined MEA for you, I apologize for mentioning the Genophage was in the game. first MEA leaves before ME3 and around the time of ME2 and secondly have you ever thought that some people might not have actually played ME 3 or even the trilogy, so it is a spoiler and should be in the spoiler section
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 4, 2017 6:12:32 GMT
So let me get this straight... You are telling me a subplot from a game that released five years ago is a spoiler for MEA? Good to know. If I somehow ruined MEA for you, I apologize for mentioning the Genophage was in the game. first MEA leaves before ME3 and around the time of ME2 and secondly have you ever thought that some people might not have actually played ME 3 or even the trilogy, so it is a spoiler and should be in the spoiler section You do not know what a spoiler is. A spoiler would be me revealing crucial plot points about the Critical Path of MEA. A subplot that was resolved five years ago in another game is not a spoiler in MEA. On the off chance someone on here never played the previous games, they will not know what the genophage is anyway and MEA will never get deep enough into the issue for it to be a spoiler. Regardless, your point is moot. The genophage is a constant thorn in the Mass Effect lore and the faster it disappears from our collective conscious, the better.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 4, 2017 6:15:34 GMT
Anyone else irritated the Genophage is back? 6 votes yes, 85 votes no. I don't know what you'r talking about, I barely remember any mention of the Genophage besides the little tidbit here and there, jsut like everything else. Issues, jc. These issues are totes game-breaking and demoralising. /s Sigh. Logging off again. A poll on a fan site that represents a fraction of the entire BioWare fan base is hardly evidence of whether most folks are irritated or not about the Genophage.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 4, 2017 6:20:53 GMT
I personally cured the genophage in my playthrough of 3 and am in favor of a cure, but once the decision was made for the Andromeda Initiative to have left prior to ME3, then that ship had sailed and these krogan were going to be afflicted by it. Which actually isn't that much of a problem in the long run; the detail everyone always forgets about the genophage is that it was only as much of a problem as it was because the bulk of the krogan population went back to Tuchunka after being afflicted with it. The point of the genophage was reducing krogan infant mortality to keep their population rates to what they were before being uplifted and Tuchunka itself kept their mortality rates at one in a thousand. In theory if they had stayed off Tuchunka after it hit, they'd have been fine. [ ]Given that the worlds in Heleus are being terraformed and will no longer be death worlds within just a few years, krogan birth rates will be sustainable, maybe a little on the overpopulated side.[ ] Besides, curing the genophage took the work of two brilliant STG scientists who were intimately familiar with the subject. Unless the initiative had another member of Mordin's team on hand who had a crisis of conscience over it, them coming up with a cure on the frontier with limited resources and over the course of a single game would push my suspension of disbelief.
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Post by neoiceman on Apr 4, 2017 7:00:58 GMT
I dont heal the genophage and i am glad that this point is still a thing in ME:A, this whiny Krogan Bitches. In my opinion they can go instinct, fucking Worlddestroying fuckheads. If the genophage is healed nobody is safe, not themself not we or any other species, they go and fuck all up, hear they speaking about it every time. We can go and let them rotting in this damn Desert.
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Post by Vicex on Apr 4, 2017 7:07:31 GMT
That's a spoiler...this should be in the spoilers discussion. It's hardly a spoiler considering that the genophage was cured in ME3... you know, when the initiative was already well underway.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 4, 2017 7:21:12 GMT
Now that this is in the spoiler discussion area for reasons that are beyond me, (Kong falls off the empire state building, the 300 spartans die, and Darth Vader is Luke's father), I'd bring up another point;
If it becomes a thing - which I don't think it will be but we'll see - I imagine that the kett will be the ones responsible for curing the genophage in Andromeda since they're specifically noted as being "lightyears ahead" of the milky way races in terms of genetic sciences and medicine and the Archon specifically muses on how the krogan would be unstoppable if it was cured.
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Post by sdzald on Apr 4, 2017 16:13:06 GMT
No what I am upset about is how much they down played it. Considering the Arks left before it was cured it should still be the number one issue with the Krogan. Instead Bioware 'waves their hands' and makes up some crap about how they genetically adapted to it while in stasis and all is well. Considering that while in stasis, your body, down to the cellular level, is in a suspended state genetic adaption would NOT be possible. But hey its Bioware they do all sorts of things with their story that make NO sense at all. Thanks again Mr. Walters.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 4, 2017 16:18:17 GMT
That's a spoiler...this should be in the spoilers discussion. It's hardly a spoiler considering that the genophage was cured in ME3... you know, when the initiative was already well underway. It's definitely not a spoiler. I guess enough people whined to the mods to get it moved to the spoiler section. Now that this is in the spoiler discussion area for reasons that are beyond me, (Kong falls off the empire state building, the 300 spartans die, and Darth Vader is Luke's father), I'd bring up another point; If it becomes a thing - which I don't think it will be but we'll see - I imagine that the kett will be the ones responsible for curing the genophage in Andromeda since they're specifically noted as being "lightyears ahead" of the milky way races in terms of genetic sciences and medicine and the Archon specifically muses on how the krogan would be unstoppable if it was cured. Yep. I just ruined the entire Critical Path of MEA by stating the most obvious information anyone who has played the previous games would know. Sorry guys. I'll wait another five years before I bring up the Genophage next time. That's quite possible and would be a workaround. However, that would mean the Andromeda Initiative would have to steal kett technology in order to provide that cure. Otherwise the only option is exaltation, and obviously that's not ideal.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 4, 2017 16:30:23 GMT
People complaining about the genophage being in Andromeda don't pay attention. The Arks left before the reapers hit the Milky Way the genophage was dealt with well after the war started. And no the shroud did not have a range that reached all the way out into dark space.
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Post by sdzald on Apr 4, 2017 16:38:16 GMT
I think the whole genophage subplot was silly in the first place. Instead of making offspring stillborn, affecting fertility (fewer offspring created at all) would make a ton more sense and be way less heartbreaking and controversial. While I agree with you it would be more sensitive and even acceptable on a moral level, in practice it would not of worked. Problems with fertility can be easily overcome by invetro. All some lab would have to do is make a large scale system that weeded out the failures while keeping the fertile ones. My understanding of the Genophage was there was no way of knowing which ones were going to be still born and which ones weren't. It always seemed like a really heartless solution to the Krogan over population problem but it did work.
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Post by Trynstark on Apr 4, 2017 18:06:34 GMT
So now...Seriously? This can't be serious... Even if you like It or not, It isn't something you can destroy for convenience and It is already polemic that they said something like it were improvements while they were "sleep" coming to andromeda. And the genophage was a good plot for the trilogy.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 4, 2017 21:45:21 GMT
Well from what it sounds like they are doing what they did before mordin and his team restarted the genophage. I think the krogan will naturally overcome it to some degree if noone "fixes it" and makes the genophage go back to full power for lack of a better word. If it is already up like it is already and using gene therapy and such to help it further they may overcome it enough to where they can't have massive amounts but a reasonable birth rate
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 4, 2017 23:06:34 GMT
People complaining about the genophage being in Andromeda don't pay attention. The Arks left before the reapers hit the Milky Way the genophage was dealt with well after the war started. And no the shroud did not have a range that reached all the way out into dark space. I'm starting to believe many missed the call of the question. I'm aware that the arks left before ME3... My issue is the fact that regardless of that reality, the genophage was resolved in that story. I'd rather focus on the new instead of retreading the old. Understand?
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 4, 2017 23:09:37 GMT
People complaining about the genophage being in Andromeda don't pay attention. The Arks left before the reapers hit the Milky Way the genophage was dealt with well after the war started. And no the shroud did not have a range that reached all the way out into dark space. I'm starting to believe many missed the call of the question. I'm aware that the arks left before ME3... My issue is the fact that regardless of that reality, the genophage was resolved in that story. I'd rather focus on the new instead of retreading the old. Understand? I don't think you do understand,it was resolved in the Milky way after they had left,it is still a very real problem for these Krogan especially as there is only about 1200 of them,breeding is a big thing here,they need numbers and this brings us back to the Genophage.
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Post by crimsonfenryr on Apr 4, 2017 23:23:29 GMT
Honestly I feel the Genophage is just ME backstory for Andromeda as well as a reason for the Krogen to be "impulsive" with the other races. I think the mutation in the Nakmor clan could be a good thing for the species as it may result in the Krogen producing less offspring (rather than a lot with some stillborns) helping to make their population growth less explosive so they don't need to colonize as many planets to meet the needs of their growing population. Also if you progress with Drack's questline far enough: You get to be the godfather of Kesh's children.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 4, 2017 23:24:43 GMT
I'm starting to believe many missed the call of the question. I'm aware that the arks left before ME3... My issue is the fact that regardless of that reality, the genophage was resolved in that story. I'd rather focus on the new instead of retreading the old. Understand? I don't think you do understand,it was resolved in the Milky way after they had left,it is still a very real problem for these Krogan especially as there is only about 1200 of them,breeding is a big thing here,they need numbers and this brings us back to the Genophage. You have no idea how much I understand... Actually, the genophage isn't even that much of an issue in MEA due to steps that were taken for sustainability for the krogan. It's why the genophage is largely a nonissue and why I don't need to hear about it 24/7! Go play MEA and learn for yourself.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 4, 2017 23:34:21 GMT
I don't think you do understand,it was resolved in the Milky way after they had left,it is still a very real problem for these Krogan especially as there is only about 1200 of them,breeding is a big thing here,they need numbers and this brings us back to the Genophage. You have no idea how much I understand... Actually, the genophage isn't even that much of an issue in MEA due to steps that were taken for sustainability for the krogan. It's why the genophage is largely a nonissue and why I don't need to hear about it 24/7! Go play MEA and learn for yourself. The Genophage wasn't much of an issue,are you kidding me,Krogan mothers were so distraught at almost constantly delivering stillbirth children they volunteered, VOLUNTEERED for the invasive treatments in ME2. The males had so little hope of fathering children they had become Nihilistic and self centred and it was a vicious cycle that was killing the species by inches. It is a non issue in your head canon,well buttercup that is not the way it works.Also if you don't want to hear about it 24/7 don't post your views on a forum,if someone doesn't agree with you they will post.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 4, 2017 23:51:57 GMT
You have no idea how much I understand... Actually, the genophage isn't even that much of an issue in MEA due to steps that were taken for sustainability for the krogan. It's why the genophage is largely a nonissue and why I don't need to hear about it 24/7! Go play MEA and learn for yourself. The Genophage wasn't much of an issue,are you kidding me,Krogan mothers were so distraught at almost constantly delivering stillbirth children they volunteered, VOLUNTEERED for the invasive treatments in ME2. The males had so little hope of fathering children they had become Nihilistic and self centred and it was a vicious cycle that was killing the species by inches. It is a non issue in your head canon,well buttercup that is not the way it works.Also if you don't want to hear about it 24/7 don't post your views on a forum,if someone doesn't agree with you they will post. Critical reading skills will take you far in life, "buttercup." Move along.
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Post by tatsumaki on Apr 5, 2017 0:03:58 GMT
I don't think you do understand,it was resolved in the Milky way after they had left,it is still a very real problem for these Krogan especially as there is only about 1200 of them,breeding is a big thing here,they need numbers and this brings us back to the Genophage. You have no idea how much I understand... Actually, the genophage isn't even that much of an issue in MEA due to steps that were taken for sustainability for the krogan. It's why the genophage is largely a nonissue and why I don't need to hear about it 24/7! Go play MEA and learn for yourself. Here is the thing, you think you understand but you don't. The first assumption you made is that everyone and anyone who plays Andromeda has already played the Trilogy. This is false. Where you might be partially true with 'a large portion of Andromeda players'. The writers do have to take that into consideration as well thats why some brief history lessons are peppered throughout the game. Think I am wrong? Theorize what kind of shit storm if Bioware didn't include same gender romance. 50 years ago it would have been fine. Today with the change in society about political correctness and inclusiveness ... you get the idea. Secondly, from the tone of your post I speculate that you haven't live in World War 2 Era. I have family members that did. I admit that it is a narrow point of view, but I can understand their deep hatred for the Japanese race for what they did to my people during World War 2. I do not expect you to begin to understand. Its like explaining color to a blind person - but know this, if/when atrocities are committed against your people its not easy to just 'shrug it off' especially if your family members were the victims. Therefore yes, there will be Krogans who will still harbor deep hatred for both Turians and Salarians.
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