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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 3, 2017 22:33:42 GMT
The Genophage was one of the major subplots of the original trilogy that was mentioned ad nauseam in every single game. I thought the Tuchanka arc in ME3 did a great job of wrapping up that subplot and putting it to rest definitively (whether you cured the Genophage or not). Unfortunately, the Genophage as an issue is back yet again due to the initiative leaving before the events of ME3 occurred.
Honestly, I think I would have preferred the initiative creating a cure for the disease immediately and ending the issue. After three games, I really don't want to hear about the Genophage anymore or how it absolutely devastates the krogan population and why they hate the salarians and the turians for the hundredth time. This might be fine for a newcomer to the Mass Effect franchise. But, it's just beating a dead horse for someone who has been here since Mass Effect 1 released almost ten years ago.
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Post by alihou on Apr 3, 2017 22:36:51 GMT
That's a spoiler...this should be in the spoilers discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 22:39:29 GMT
I'm fairly pleased with the way this is going. A moderate increase to krogan fertility while at the same time they seem to be re-forming their culture toward family units.
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Post by Nightman on Apr 3, 2017 22:42:11 GMT
Well, if we are being honest here.....Mordin most likely cured the genophage after the Arks left for Andromeda so until or if these scientists can figure out how to cure it, it most likely is going to stay in this new series for awhile.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 3, 2017 22:48:42 GMT
That's a spoiler...this should be in the spoilers discussion. I don't think you know what a spoiler is. We knew before the game even released that the arks left before ME3 started. Of course the krogan who left the Milky Way still have the genophage... My issue is the fact that they are still talking about it nonstop in MEA. The problem with curing the Genophage is that the Krogan have an explosive birth rate, and their natural tendencies make yet another war it all but inevitable. The ME:A solution is actually more realistic, returning birth rates into something that will make their population sustainable. That's all well and good, but we are still retreading ground that we already trampled over several times in three previous games. I'm personally sick of the genophage story at this point. Well, if we are being honest here.....Mordin most likely cured the genophage after the Arks left for Andromeda so until or if these scientists can figure out how to cure it, it most likely is going to stay in this new series for awhile. I expected it would still be around. I'd just rather not hear about it constantly because it really shouldn't be a focus at this point. That's old Milky Way news. Lets focus on issues in Andromeda and new problems. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 23:12:18 GMT
That's a spoiler...this should be in the spoilers discussion. I don't think you know what a spoiler is. We knew before the game even released that the arks left before ME3 started. Of course the krogan who left the Milky Way still have the genophage... My issue is the fact that they are still talking about it nonstop in MEA. The problem with curing the Genophage is that the Krogan have an explosive birth rate, and their natural tendencies make yet another war it all but inevitable. The ME:A solution is actually more realistic, returning birth rates into something that will make their population sustainable. That's all well and good, but we are still retreading ground that we already trampled over several times in three previous games. I'm personally sick of the genophage story at this point. Well, if we are being honest here.....Mordin most likely cured the genophage after the Arks left for Andromeda so until or if these scientists can figure out how to cure it, it most likely is going to stay in this new series for awhile. I expected it would still be around. I'd just rather not hear about it constantly because it really shouldn't be a focus at this point. That's old Milky Way news. Lets focus on issues in Andromeda and new problems. IMO, MEA tries too hard to explain what it's doing to the player and the mentions of the genophage within the game are part of that overall tendency. I'm sure that, if the game goes to more instalments, the genophage references will fade... especially since they chose a solution that gives the Krogan a reasonably sustainable birth rate and not a solution that presents the overpopulation issues that were the focus of MET. |
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 3, 2017 23:18:40 GMT
I don't think you know what a spoiler is. We knew before the game even released that the arks left before ME3 started. Of course the krogan who left the Milky Way still have the genophage... My issue is the fact that they are still talking about it nonstop in MEA. That's all well and good, but we are still retreading ground that we already trampled over several times in three previous games. I'm personally sick of the genophage story at this point. I expected it would still be around. I'd just rather not hear about it constantly because it really shouldn't be a focus at this point. That's old Milky Way news. Lets focus on issues in Andromeda and new problems. IMO, MEA tries too hard to explain what it's doing to the player and the mentions of the genophage within the game are part of that overall tendency. I'm sure that, if the game goes to more instalments, the genophage references will fade... especially since they chose a solution that gives the Krogan a reasonably sustainable birth rate and not a solution that presents the overpopulation issues that were the focus of MET. This goes back to a lot of the exposition being intended for newcomers not familiar with Mass Effect. That's all well and good if that stuff is hidden in the codex or is optional dialogue. But, it shouldn't be the forefront of what we are doing in Andromeda. I already know all of this, and as far as I'm concerned, my Shepard solved the Genophage problem indefinitely. I can only hope that the Genophage references fade into obscurity. I'd just rather focus on the new rather than the old. |
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Post by n7vakarian on Apr 3, 2017 23:37:24 GMT
No as that got fixed in the Milky Way and the cure should stay there, to be honest. It was a Trilogy plot point I don't think Andromeda needs to have its own version of a "cure"
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Post by acehilator on Apr 3, 2017 23:53:31 GMT
It just serves as a reminder that "new beginnings" and leaving all the baggage behind are really hard to do, and that both sides are guilty of it. I actually prefer it this way, all sunshine and roses between the Krogan and the other races would be weird.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 4, 2017 0:03:12 GMT
It just serves as a reminder that "new beginnings" and leaving all the baggage behind are really hard to do, and that both sides are guilty of it. I actually prefer it this way, all sunshine and roses between the Krogan and the other races would be weird. I find the genophage with this approach to be unnecessary baggage. It could have been handled differently in-game, such as exclusively in the codex or only as optional dialogue in isolated instances (Drack, New Tuchanka, etc.). I never said I wanted krogan, salarians, and turians to join hands in harmony. I just don't want to hear about the genophage every other sentence and why the krogan were wronged. I would have preferred to hear more about the Rachni War and get Drack's perspective on that. That was at least something that was never elaborated on in depth. |
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Post by acehilator on Apr 4, 2017 0:12:40 GMT
Well it is pretty unavoidable that as soon Salarians/Turians talk about Krogan, or Krogan talk about Salarians/Turians, the Genophage will come up, especially in the latter case, and especially when discussing politics or survival (which make up a large part). Everything else would be weird. And not to forget that by the time the Initiative left the Milky Way, nobody even thought of curing the Krogan. And that for the characters ingame just one year (or less) have passed sinced they left the Milky Way. It is not that they are still stuck in their ways after being in Adromeda for a long time... it wasn't a long time. So exhibiting Milky Way behaviour should be the expected norm.
Agree on the Rachni Wars and Drack, that was kind of a wasted opportunity.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 4, 2017 0:34:21 GMT
Nah, but I'm kinda indifferent. I'm indifferent about the whole thing baby. Mass Effect didn't pan out when it could've after ME2 and now it's just this wildly deranged offspring.
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Post by jastall on Apr 4, 2017 0:45:03 GMT
It's barely a plot point, however. Not like they made another full story arc about the Genophage.
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Post by kino on Apr 4, 2017 1:16:35 GMT
They didn't have a cure for the genophage before leaving for Andromeda. The arks left before ME3.
Also, you should redo the title and add a spoiler tag for those who haven't got that far in the game.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 4, 2017 1:24:10 GMT
They actually handled it right this time, outright curing it would have been absurd.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 4, 2017 1:26:36 GMT
They didn't have a cure for the genophage before leaving for Andromeda. The arks left before ME3. Also, you should redo the title and add a spoiler tag for those who haven't got that far in the game. What spoiler? There is no spoiler. Anybody who ever played a Mass Effect game knew the genophage would be in MEA. What we didn't know is to what degree it would be referenced. Unfortunately, more than I would have liked. |
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Post by kino on Apr 4, 2017 1:30:11 GMT
They didn't have a cure for the genophage before leaving for Andromeda. The arks left before ME3. Also, you should redo the title and add a spoiler tag for those who haven't got that far in the game. What spoiler? There is no spoiler. Anybody who ever played a Mass Effect game knew the genophage would be in MEA. What we didn't know is to what degree it would be referenced. Unfortunately, more than I would have liked. Just sayin', man. Some folks might not have hit that bit of dialog yet and people new to the series wouldn't know of the ME3 plot. |
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 4, 2017 1:34:27 GMT
What spoiler? There is no spoiler. Anybody who ever played a Mass Effect game knew the genophage would be in MEA. What we didn't know is to what degree it would be referenced. Unfortunately, more than I would have liked. Just sayin', man. Some folks might not have hit that bit of dialog yet and people new to the series wouldn't know of the ME3 plot. So let me get this straight... You are telling me a subplot from a game that released five years ago is a spoiler for MEA? Good to know. If I somehow ruined MEA for you, I apologize for mentioning the Genophage was in the game. |
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Post by Puberty on Apr 4, 2017 1:35:47 GMT
I don't feel like the Genophage is mentioned enough for me to be irritated of it. Granted, I haven't finished the game yet. But I think if Bioware didn't mention the Genophage at all, they would've got more flack for that rather than not mentioning it at all.
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Post by kino on Apr 4, 2017 1:41:52 GMT
Just sayin', man. Some folks might not have hit that bit of dialog yet and people new to the series wouldn't know of the ME3 plot. So let me get this straight... You are telling me a subplot from a game that released five years ago is a spoiler for MEA? Good to know. If I somehow ruined MEA for you, I apologize for mentioning the Genophage was in the game. hah. Obtuseness. Cute. Like I said, for those new to the series, and there are actually such people though I'm not one of 'em, this would spoil some of the dialog in the game. But go ahead, be that guy. |
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Post by NUM13ER on Apr 4, 2017 1:48:08 GMT
The problem with curing the Genophage is that the Krogan have an explosive birth rate, and their natural tendencies make yet another war it all but inevitable. The ME:A solution is actually more realistic, returning birth rates into something that will make their population sustainable. Yeah. If I had one nitpick with the cure is that it didn't just give the Krogan a more productive birthrate to keep their population from extinction rather than back to the level were they're able to overpopulate their system and any neighbouring systems within a generation. But you don't have to cure the genophage all said and done. |
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Post by vanbar on Apr 4, 2017 1:50:24 GMT
The Genophaged was never cured all the way. The only ones that got the cure where on there home planet. Unless the cure was released into space as well and effected all the ones that where not there. Witch I don't think that could have been done and if it could travel in space the cure that is then the ones here would have been cured as well. So in my mind only the few clans living on the planet at that time got the cure all rest are still effected by it.
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Post by Otter on Apr 4, 2017 2:01:31 GMT
So, a game about settling the frontier and making a new home makes a few mentions of something already established in the setting that would make it more difficult to settle the frontier and make a new home?
Weird.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 4, 2017 2:11:19 GMT
Eh, I think it's fine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 2:22:22 GMT
Would be funny if Krogans found a way to sterilize Salarians. So now we'd have twice as much genophage-s!  |
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