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Post by annerogers on Apr 5, 2017 17:23:37 GMT
You see. this is my point. Why should there be any? Maybe if they concentrated on the game first they might have noticed to massive number of bugs? Here's an idea. Open it to the modding community. People happy and requests sorted. How about no romances for anyone? You mean actually focus on gameplay and story in a video game? That's crazy talk!
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Post by annerogers on Apr 5, 2017 17:30:43 GMT
Dream about banging the pink bunny while shaking a fist in impotent rage at homophobic Bioware? I don't dream about banging the pink bunny, I dream about equal treatment. And my rage is ANYTHING but '' impotent. '' So 50% of the 'romance' options for 5% of the population would be 'equal'? Why not make 50% of the options trans as well? I'm sure that future technology could solve the vast majority of the issues (even if transphobic Bioware only allows male and female options at character creation. Why do they assume my character's gender?) Apparently it was impotent enough that Bioware didn't anticipate the screeching and MakeJaalBi from the start.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 5, 2017 17:30:59 GMT
How about no romances for anyone? You mean actually focus on gameplay and story in a video game? That's crazy talk! Romances are suddenly not gameplay or story? Roleplaying is part of the gameplay, and roleplaying includes building a relationship with someone. Building a relationship with someone also lets you know more about the character you are romancing, which is part of the story. Don't be a complete idiot.
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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 5, 2017 17:35:47 GMT
You mean actually focus on gameplay and story in a video game? That's crazy talk! Romances are suddenly not gameplay or story? Roleplaying is part of the gameplay, and roleplaying includes building a relationship with someone. Building a relationship with someone also lets you know more about the character you are romancing, which is part of the story. Don't be a complete idiot. I have been doing my job for the last five years without romancing any one I work with. I would suggest that keep things professional with people under your command probably helps with improving overall efficiency, avoid accusation of favoritism and make life easy for the Nexus HR department.
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Post by annerogers on Apr 5, 2017 17:38:00 GMT
You mean actually focus on gameplay and story in a video game? That's crazy talk! Romances are suddenly not gameplay or story? Roleplaying is part of the gameplay, and roleplaying includes building a relationship with someone. Building a relationship with someone also lets you know more about the character you are romancing, which is part of the story. Don't be a complete idiot. A "relationship" that consists of 4-5 'flirt' options and a softcore porn scene, dribbled out over the course of 50 hours or more? And what did players learn about Kaidan or Liara that wasn't clear from general 'friendship' chats?
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Post by smilesja on Apr 5, 2017 17:39:53 GMT
Romances are suddenly not gameplay or story? Roleplaying is part of the gameplay, and roleplaying includes building a relationship with someone. Building a relationship with someone also lets you know more about the character you are romancing, which is part of the story. Don't be a complete idiot. A "relationship" that consists of 4-5 'flirt' options and a softcore porn scene, dribbled out over the course of 50 hours or more? And what did players learn about Kaidan or Liara that wasn't clear from general 'friendship' chats? [ It's part of the gameplay whether you like it or not
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 5, 2017 17:40:08 GMT
Romances are suddenly not gameplay or story? Roleplaying is part of the gameplay, and roleplaying includes building a relationship with someone. Building a relationship with someone also lets you know more about the character you are romancing, which is part of the story. Don't be a complete idiot. A "relationship" that consists of 4-5 'flirt' options and a softcore porn scene, dribbled out over the course of 50 hours or more? And what did players learn about Kaidan or Liara that wasn't clear from general 'friendship' chats? That was true of ME1, but since ME2 if a companion is romanceable for your character and you don't do their romance, you miss out on a huge amount of basically 'friendship' conversation. Once they get their way and make Jaal bi, there will be probably two non romance conversations with him total.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 5, 2017 17:43:10 GMT
Romances are suddenly not gameplay or story? Roleplaying is part of the gameplay, and roleplaying includes building a relationship with someone. Building a relationship with someone also lets you know more about the character you are romancing, which is part of the story. Don't be a complete idiot. A "relationship" that consists of 4-5 'flirt' options and a softcore porn scene, dribbled out over the course of 50 hours or more? And what did players learn about Kaidan or Liara that wasn't clear from general 'friendship' chats? Well, nothing about Kaidan. He was annoying and died.
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Post by annerogers on Apr 5, 2017 17:44:27 GMT
A "relationship" that consists of 4-5 'flirt' options and a softcore porn scene, dribbled out over the course of 50 hours or more? And what did players learn about Kaidan or Liara that wasn't clear from general 'friendship' chats? [ It's part of the gameplay whether you like it or not No, combat is part of the gameplay. Trying to get pixelated sex is an optional dialogue. Remove the gameplay and you have a poorly-written visual novel. Remove the 'romance' and nothing about the game changes (assuming the premise is still pretended to be 'colonizing another galaxy' and not 'bang someone in your squad').
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Post by smilesja on Apr 5, 2017 17:47:34 GMT
[ It's part of the gameplay whether you like it or not No, combat is part of the gameplay. Trying to get pixelated sex is an optional dialogue. Remove the gameplay and you have a poorly-written visual novel. Remove the 'romance' and nothing about the game changes (assuming the premise is still pretended to be 'colonizing another galaxy' and not 'bang someone in your squad'). Why can't the game have both as aspects of gameplay the combat and the romance? Romance is side content but still a part of the gameplay
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Post by Tekehu's booty on Apr 5, 2017 17:47:46 GMT
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 5, 2017 17:47:49 GMT
The only reality in which BG2 romances feel organic and natural is the reality in which talking to someone automatically equals romantic interest because there's no goddamn friendship routes in that game if you dare have genitals they're interested in.
So that argument really can die in a fire. I'm so tired of hearing how organic BG2 romances were compared to the latter games. It's really not it's just the flirts are pretty much every line of dialogue that's not a dick response which is garbage.
And don't get me started on Anomen's hot mess self.
BW's romances were always tacked on side quests and it makes me lmao that people pretend they were every anything deeper.
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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 5, 2017 17:48:18 GMT
A "relationship" that consists of 4-5 'flirt' options and a softcore porn scene, dribbled out over the course of 50 hours or more? And what did players learn about Kaidan or Liara that wasn't clear from general 'friendship' chats? That was true of ME1, but since ME2 if a companion is romanceable for your character and you don't do their romance, you miss out on a huge amount of basically 'friendship' conversation. Once they get their way and make Jaal bi, there will be probably two non romance conversations with him total. More evidence that romance subplot hinders the game. Honestly, some romance story adds to story and some don't. It's just BioWare has had a history of writing romance into their games doesn't mean games that don't have it automatically suck. It's NOT a good thing that player now expect romance as a feature even before they know what the game is about or whether romance is appropriate to the tone of the story or the setting. It's NOT good that that this is now an expected feature that BioWare HAS TO check off a list when they write their stories.
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Post by annerogers on Apr 5, 2017 18:01:55 GMT
The only reality in which BG2 romances feel organic and natural is the reality in which talking to someone automatically equals romantic interest because there's no goddamn friendship routes in that game if you dare have genitals they're interested in. So that argument really can die in a fire. I'm so tired of hearing how organic BG2 romances were compared to the latter games. It's really not it's just the flirts are pretty much every line of dialogue that's not a dick response which is garbage. And don't get me started on Anomen's hot mess self. BW's romances were always tacked on side quests and it makes me lmao that people pretend they were every anything deeper. Oddly enough they could end easily as well, while in this setting it's nearly impossible to keep stalker Liara away from Shepard, even if she was never pursued romantically. Of course, Baldur's Gate had the option of never picking up any of the 'bangable' NPCs, while Bioware makes sure that their 'squeeing' time isn't wasted by allowing players to miss a potential 'romance'. Too bad it had the same 'plot on rails' though- Imoen died and you never recruited Minsc in the first game? I think not, player-better check again.
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Post by annerogers on Apr 5, 2017 18:03:47 GMT
This thread So according to your signature you invalidated Alistair's orientation? Isn't that supposed to be a bad thing?
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Post by zaefkol on Apr 5, 2017 18:07:14 GMT
That was true of ME1, but since ME2 if a companion is romanceable for your character and you don't do their romance, you miss out on a huge amount of basically 'friendship' conversation. Once they get their way and make Jaal bi, there will be probably two non romance conversations with him total. More evidence that romance subplot hinders the game. Honestly, some romance story adds to story and some don't. It's just BioWare has had a history of writing romance into their games doesn't mean games that don't have it automatically suck. It's NOT a good thing that player now expect romance as a feature even before they know what the game is about or whether romance is appropriate to the tone of the story or the setting. It's NOT good that that this is now an expected feature that BioWare HAS TO check off a list when they write their stories. I disagree that romance subplots hinder the game, but I do agree that the expectation that every Bioware game will have romance subplots can be harmful to game development.
That being said, if Bioware decides to implement romances in a game, then they should make sure to treat romances the same for all orientations. And I'm not talking about giving everyone the same amount of options here. While I would prefer an even split, I'm fine with one group getting more romance options to choose from than others just so long as every orientation has at least one romance that is complete and fully developed.
The reason behind the hashtag this thread is discussing is because MEA currently does not do this. The m/m romances are very clearly underdeveloped, and one of the ideas players had to fix this was to make Jaal bisexual. I doubt it will happen though, even with the recent announcement that the m/m romances will be improved.
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Post by Tekehu's booty on Apr 5, 2017 18:11:35 GMT
This thread So according to your signature you invalidated Alistair's orientation? Isn't that supposed to be a bad thing? lel
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Post by cobalt72 on Apr 5, 2017 18:17:35 GMT
In some ways I do feel that the romance options do hinder the game. They're now expected and they can't be half-assed or horribly produced/written. So I do feel that the more time and dedication or resources devoted to making them "better" could be used for something else.
Also, maybe I'm wrong and maybe they may be the vocal minority but there are people who check the romance options before they check anything else about the game. There are also people saying they won't buy the game because of the romance options or the lack thereof. Seriously?
I'm gay myself and haven't posted in the other "romance" threads. And have noticed the "boycott Bioware" topic because of the lack of gay options. Personally, this is just me, but I don't think you should look for "representation" in a video game, book, TV show, movie, or any other form of media
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Post by Fredward on Apr 5, 2017 18:18:18 GMT
Meh? I played my game from beginning to end without any game breaking bugs, so it's functional for me. I don't particularly want Jaal bi since I don't like fucking with sexualities (heh) and, also, he's too much of a technically correct romance.
Anyway, could someone link me to Bioware's policy change where they say they only address a single thing per patch? Or where they're somehow gonna delay fixing gamebreaking bugs to change sexualities? Cuz I'm confused as to how this complaint makes sense beyond virtue signalling otherwise.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 5, 2017 18:23:49 GMT
The only reality in which BG2 romances feel organic and natural is the reality in which talking to someone automatically equals romantic interest because there's no goddamn friendship routes in that game if you dare have genitals they're interested in. So that argument really can die in a fire. I'm so tired of hearing how organic BG2 romances were compared to the latter games. It's really not it's just the flirts are pretty much every line of dialogue that's not a dick response which is garbage. And don't get me started on Anomen's hot mess self. BW's romances were always tacked on side quests and it makes me lmao that people pretend they were every anything deeper. Oddly enough they could end easily as well, while in this setting it's nearly impossible to keep stalker Liara away from Shepard, even if she was never pursued romantically. Of course, Baldur's Gate had the option of never picking up any of the 'bangable' NPCs, while Bioware makes sure that their 'squeeing' time isn't wasted by allowing players to miss a potential 'romance'. Too bad it had the same 'plot on rails' though- Imoen died and you never recruited Minsc in the first game? I think not, player-better check again. Yeah I think they thought that one time you could say no to her was enough. Except the damn thing was bugged so only the middle no worked if you renegade rejected her sucks to be you! (And that's how my anti alien renedouche super racist ended up with Liara as an LI. Amazing. I made it work but still. Amazing). Kaidan/Ashley thankfully could be Virmired and in ME2 you got very clear do not want responses (save Jack where you have to pretty much tap dance through it because apparently saying no means yes for god knows what reason). Nah Jaheria was avoidable yes but as soon as you picked her up she starts her romance track and it's absurd. I hated playing BG2 as my half elf. Everyone wanted his dick like goddamn back the fuck off. I had Aerie and Viconia apparently snapping at each other and saying which one I wanted and I was baffled that they felt we were in a relationship. And of course as soon as you reject them they stop talking to you because if you're not giving the D (or planning on it) you're worthless. Oh god don't remind me of how canon good Bhaalspawn was a thing. That pissed me off (I was with Edwin not fucking Minsc and I sure in hell didn't drag Khalid around he died like five minutes into the game!). BioWare's always been doing the same shit people just used to tolerate it more.
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Post by annerogers on Apr 5, 2017 18:24:57 GMT
So according to your signature you invalidated Alistair's orientation? Isn't that supposed to be a bad thing? lel Not surprised you don't have the fortitude to answer. Apparently making gay characters straight is bad but the reverse is fine because of 'something something repression'.
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Post by Tekehu's booty on Apr 5, 2017 18:27:00 GMT
lel Not surprised you don't have the fortitude to answer. Apparently making gay characters straight is bad but the reverse is fine because of 'something something repression'. My headcanon has nothing to do with this thread my dear, and if you wonder if I have a problem with peeps doing the straight mod with Dorian or Sera you're so wrong lol
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 5, 2017 18:30:45 GMT
Boi, the #MakeJaalBi weaklings have arrived.
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Post by lurkinglurker on Apr 5, 2017 18:33:43 GMT
This thread Don't you think that maybe, just maybe you are jumping to conclusions and taking things out of context?
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Post by Tekehu's booty on Apr 5, 2017 18:34:50 GMT
Boi, the #MakeJaalBi weaklings have arrived. you're still using the fake Joker as profile pic? #shame
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