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Post by ticktak77 on Apr 6, 2017 19:55:59 GMT
Why on earth do people not use their brains? This complaint is ridiculous. WE ARE DEALING WITH ONLY A SINGLE STAR CLUSTER. T he scientific odds of .... scientific improbability of ....LMFAO hahah!! Anyway, with that out of my system. The kett also weren't from the Heleus cluster, but they arrived via some means, so the "one cluster brigade" doesn't really have a leg to stand on here. I don't know why people are so afraid to call a spade a spade here. Want to know why there aren't many new aliens in Andromeda? Because Bioware were lazy and tried to cut costs everywhere they could. There.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 20:01:05 GMT
Eh, I think it is less is more case. I like Angara, and I like that we have brought some MW diversity with us. It would have been overwhelming to run into Tattoine like situation AND bring along the full menagerie as well.
What I did not get so far was a longer conversation with Angara to understand how much they have explored and what other (if any) alien species they are aware of. Unless Kett already, you know, exalted them...
Anyway, looks fine to me, has continuity with the first ME and something new. Plus, tbh, Remanant is more like Gre so far, and only similar to Reapers in that they are synthetic. So, more like Geth that do not communicate....
But I have not finished the game yet, so I dunno.
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There is a planet that had primitive sapient life on it (they had built small villages), that got wiped out by the Scourge.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 6, 2017 20:05:19 GMT
No one really cares about that... This is a situation where video game logic trumps lore and they need to write something in. It's a new game and we want to see lots of new things. If it was a scientific impossibility that we'd meet any new species at all do you really think that would fly here? No it wouldn't. There would be complaints all over the place regardless. That's why we have sound in space. And besides If we could get a magic ray gun in ME3 this should be no problem. So basically, your entire argument is, you want the dumbest, most illogical story possible because it's more "fun"? I'm sorry, but I care about it, and so do many other people, just because you don't want this setting to follow any rules or logical consistency does not mean you speak for everyone. I'll just be blunt, and pray Bioware utterly ignores complaints of this nature, because it's the most asinine arguments I've ever seen. "Fuck any believe ability, logic or sense of immersion, who cares about consistency or trying to fix the magical nonsense ME3 created, just embrace the very thing everyone universally hated, that's what ppl want!" No. It is not the dumb or illogical because you think it is so let's just calm that down. If you want to go that route then we need to remove sound in space because this is a scientific impossibility. "Fuck hearing things in space you just can't do that!" e.t.c; Frankly if you think that it is too much for the suspension of disbelief because your doctorate in science allows you to disprove it well I don't know what to tell you. FTL, biotics and a lot of things are easily disproved as well and yet there they are. There's a line that you can push in works of fiction and I don't think this is so unreasonable unless you're Stephen Hawking or something. Immigration or any number of theories could be used to explain a large number of species where they normally wouldn't be. And no I obviously don't want more deus ex machinas in ME.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 6, 2017 20:13:14 GMT
No sound in space has been done, you know.
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So basically, your entire argument is, you want the dumbest, most illogical story possible because it's more "fun"? I'm sorry, but I care about it, and so do many other people, just because you don't want this setting to follow any rules or logical consistency does not mean you speak for everyone. I'll just be blunt, and pray Bioware utterly ignores complaints of this nature, because it's the most asinine arguments I've ever seen. "Fuck any believe ability, logic or sense of immersion, who cares about consistency or trying to fix the magical nonsense ME3 created, just embrace the very thing everyone universally hated, that's what ppl want!" No. It is not the dumb or illogical because you think it is so let's just calm that down. If you want to go that route then we need to remove sound in space because this is a scientific impossibility. "Fuck hearing things in space you just can't do that!" e.t.c; Frankly if you think that it is too much for the suspension of disbelief because your doctorate in science allows you to disprove it well I don't know what to tell you. FTL, biotics and a lot of things are easily disproved as well and yet there they are. There's a line that you can push in works of fiction and I don't think this is so unreasonable unless you're Stephen Hawking or something. Immigration or any number of theories could be used to explain a large number of species where they normally wouldn't be. And no I obviously don't want more deus ex machinas in ME. You can only push ridiculous ideas so far, you can only push an audiences suspension of belief so far before you lose them. That's how ME3 happend, they pushed it way too far. Yes, Biotics are ridiculous, but most people will accept something like that so we can have Space Wizards. FTL is actually not all that impossible anymore from a science standpoint. NASA firmly believes they could do it if they had the backing to make it happen. Weather or not they are correct, is a different story. As for no sound in Space? I have no problems with that personally, and it has been done before. Regardless of these things, ME was originally constructed as a setting with rules, logic and consistency about many of it's aspects. Many people were not pleased with the new direction from ME2 onwards of "Forget the science crap, Rule of Cool is King". With Andromeda Bioware has taken ME back to where it began, a setting where Rule of Cool is tempered a bit with science and logic. I fail to see why this is a problem.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 6, 2017 20:33:48 GMT
Why on earth do people not use their brains? This complaint is ridiculous. WE ARE DEALING WITH ONLY A SINGLE STAR CLUSTER. T he scientific odds of .... scientific improbability of ....LMFAO hahah!! Anyway, with that out of my system. The kett also weren't from the Heleus cluster, but they arrived via some means, so the "one cluster brigade" doesn't really have a leg to stand on here. I don't know why people are so afraid to call a spade a spade here. Want to know why there aren't many new aliens in Andromeda? Because Bioware were lazy and tried to cut costs everywhere they could. There. Thing is, other aliens in the cluster would undermine the whole distrust in a new species thing the angara have going on, unless of course the other new alien species is also totally hostile, but then that would just make things more awkward for the story. I guess the angarans could be written to be a more insular, isolationist society that doesn't care about any other species living in the cluster, but benevolent native species still gets in the way of the Roekaar anti-alien agenda. I know Biower-be-lazy is a popular go-to response to why something isn't in the game, and often that may be right, but I don't think that's the case here.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 6, 2017 20:37:13 GMT
No. It is not the dumb or illogical because you think it is so let's just calm that down. If you want to go that route then we need to remove sound in space because this is a scientific impossibility. "Fuck hearing things in space you just can't do that!" e.t.c; Frankly if you think that it is too much for the suspension of disbelief because your doctorate in science allows you to disprove it well I don't know what to tell you. FTL, biotics and a lot of things are easily disproved as well and yet there they are. There's a line that you can push in works of fiction and I don't think this is so unreasonable unless you're Stephen Hawking or something. Immigration or any number of theories could be used to explain a large number of species where they normally wouldn't be. And no I obviously don't want more deus ex machinas in ME. You can only push ridiculous ideas so far, you can only push an audiences suspension of belief so far before you lose them. That's how ME3 happend, they pushed it way too far. Yes, Biotics are ridiculous, but most people will accept something like that so we can have Space Wizards. FTL is actually not all that impossible anymore from a science standpoint. NASA firmly believes they could do it if they had the backing to make it happen. Weather or not they are correct, is a different story. As for no sound in Space? I have no problems with that personally, and it has been done before. Regardless of these things, ME was originally constructed as a setting with rules, logic and consistency about many of it's aspects. Many people were not pleased with the new direction from ME2 onwards of "Forget the science crap, Rule of Cool is King". With Andromeda Bioware has taken ME back to where it began, a setting where Rule of Cool is tempered a bit with science and logic. I fail to see why this is a problem. Well yeah I definitely think ME strayed too far from it's roots. There were plans at one point to make ME3 in first person... However I want lots of different races just like I want space wizards... Why not just move into a big ass place and give us new races? Ugh...
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 6, 2017 20:56:49 GMT
You can only push ridiculous ideas so far, you can only push an audiences suspension of belief so far before you lose them. That's how ME3 happend, they pushed it way too far. Yes, Biotics are ridiculous, but most people will accept something like that so we can have Space Wizards. FTL is actually not all that impossible anymore from a science standpoint. NASA firmly believes they could do it if they had the backing to make it happen. Weather or not they are correct, is a different story. As for no sound in Space? I have no problems with that personally, and it has been done before. Regardless of these things, ME was originally constructed as a setting with rules, logic and consistency about many of it's aspects. Many people were not pleased with the new direction from ME2 onwards of "Forget the science crap, Rule of Cool is King". With Andromeda Bioware has taken ME back to where it began, a setting where Rule of Cool is tempered a bit with science and logic. I fail to see why this is a problem. Well yeah I definitely think ME strayed too far from it's roots. There were plans at one point to make ME3 in first person... However I want lots of different races just like I want space wizards... Why not just move into a big ass place and give us new races? Ugh... you sure you're not just mixing ME3 and bioware wanting to try a mass effect multiplayer being a fps? Cuz they'd never get away with a mainline game going fps style, especially so far into a franchises life span as it straight up alienates your fanbase.
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Post by Cyonan on Apr 6, 2017 20:58:23 GMT
So basically, your entire argument is, you want the dumbest, most illogical story possible because it's more "fun"? I'm sorry, but I care about it, and so do many other people, just because you don't want this setting to follow any rules or logical consistency does not mean you speak for everyone. I'll just be blunt, and pray Bioware utterly ignores complaints of this nature, because it's the most asinine arguments I've ever seen. "Fuck any believe ability, logic or sense of immersion, who cares about consistency or trying to fix the magical nonsense ME3 created, just embrace the very thing everyone universally hated, that's what ppl want!" No. It is not the dumb or illogical because you think it is so let's just calm that down. If you want to go that route then we need to remove sound in space because this is a scientific impossibility. "Fuck hearing things in space you just can't do that!" e.t.c; Frankly if you think that it is too much for the suspension of disbelief because your doctorate in science allows you to disprove it well I don't know what to tell you. FTL, biotics and a lot of things are easily disproved as well and yet there they are. There's a line that you can push in works of fiction and I don't think this is so unreasonable unless you're Stephen Hawking or something. Immigration or any number of theories could be used to explain a large number of species where they normally wouldn't be. And no I obviously don't want more deus ex machinas in ME. It's worth pointing out that suspension of disbelief has a lot to do with the earlier games in the series establishing how the setting works and the things that it has. For example we all accept that magic is real in the Dragon Age universe because they established that's how that setting works. However if somebody showed up with a machine gun we would obviously be going "wait a minute, that's not how this setting works" despite the fact that such weaponry exists in real life. With Mass Effect the first game established the idea of element zero and how it works to allow things like biotics and FTL travel(which isn't easily disproven IRL I might add). The sound in space is such a minor thing that most people just shrug it off as it being done so you can still hear the game beyond radio chatter. The game has also established that generally a single cluster doesn't have tons of species native to that cluster, which means if ME:A did it then it's a big enough thing that people would be going "Wait a minute, why are there so many species in this one cluster? What's the lore reason behind this?" which means it wouldn't be impossible for them to have other species but they would have to explained both why there are so many in the cluster and if they used something like "other species just showed up" you'd have to now explain how they got there and why aren't we using that technology to explore the rest of Andromeda. Which again isn't impossible(and arguably the game even offers a potential explanation that would be easy to adapt), but it is something that would need to be done.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 6, 2017 21:15:21 GMT
You can only push ridiculous ideas so far, you can only push an audiences suspension of belief so far before you lose them. That's how ME3 happend, they pushed it way too far. Yes, Biotics are ridiculous, but most people will accept something like that so we can have Space Wizards. Well yeah I definitely think ME strayed too far from it's roots. There were plans at one point to make ME3 in first person... However I want lots of different races just like I want space wizards... Why not just move into a big ass place and give us new races? Ugh... So, we've established that you like ridiculous, so arguing about science and believability won't work with you?
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Post by empirex on Apr 6, 2017 21:26:13 GMT
Why on earth do people not use their brains? This complaint is ridiculous. WE ARE DEALING WITH ONLY A SINGLE STAR CLUSTER. T he scientific odds of .... scientific improbability of ....Want to know why there aren't many new aliens in Andromeda? Because Bioware were lazy and tried to cut costs everywhere they could. There. I agree with the second but not the first thought. Maybe they wanted to focus on two races and flesh them out. Before you jump on my case, I dislike the new races we have seen so far. Bioware Montreal missed the opportunity to make the races truly unique. However, I can understand how Bioware choose to focus on two races when the game is based on a single cluster. I understand the logic behind sticking with two races business-wise as well. I just find the whole "they were just lazy" to be the lazy man excuse. "They're just a bunch of lazy cucks", "They're just stupid" that I hear people keep tossing around are just nonconstructive and honestly a lie. A lazy game would be Krog Wars, Hatred, and actual lazy cashgrabs that you find on Steam. Bioware Montreal was simply incompetent and mismanaged their resources. Also I thought you liked the game?
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Post by Warrior DM on Apr 6, 2017 21:27:53 GMT
The benefit of only a few new races meant more of a focus and narrative devoted towards the Ankara, Nett, and Remnant. In the first Mass Effect we had a ton of races, but the only real story went towards the Council races. (Humans, Asari, Salarians, and Turians)
Every other race had the benefit of more background through two more games.
I honestly didn't mind the lack of races, simply because anything more would have just been filler.
With that being said, there's no reason for more races to appear in DLC or the sequel. Remember how the Batarians first appeared in Bring Down the Sky?
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 6, 2017 22:00:32 GMT
Well yeah I definitely think ME strayed too far from it's roots. There were plans at one point to make ME3 in first person... However I want lots of different races just like I want space wizards... Why not just move into a big ass place and give us new races? Ugh... So, we've established that you like ridiculous, so arguing about science and believability won't work with you? I understand what you're saying but if you need to write a thesis paper to show how ridiculous it is idunno if it's a legitimate problem. At any rate someone pointed out that it's actually more to do with lore than science so I can see why they wouldn't add more species. However from a gaming perspective I want to see new things and not the same old same old.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 6, 2017 22:03:48 GMT
Well yeah I definitely think ME strayed too far from it's roots. There were plans at one point to make ME3 in first person... However I want lots of different races just like I want space wizards... Why not just move into a big ass place and give us new races? Ugh... you sure you're not just mixing ME3 and bioware wanting to try a mass effect multiplayer being a fps? Cuz they'd never get away with a mainline game going fps style, especially so far into a franchises life span as it straight up alienates your fanbase. Yeah my bad.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 6, 2017 23:17:01 GMT
So, we've established that you like ridiculous, so arguing about science and believability won't work with you? I understand what you're saying but if you need to write a thesis paper to show how ridiculous it is idunno if it's a legitimate problem. At any rate someone pointed out that it's actually more to do with lore than science so I can see why they wouldn't add more species. However from a gaming perspective I want to see new things and not the same old same old. Well, I just wanted us to get past the part where we're making arguments that will just sail right by each other. FWIW, I'm with you to the extent that I don't think Bio really cares about the science, and this isn't a series where they should. I just don't think that more races would have been a sensible priority for this game, particularly nonhumanoid races. Bio had trouble implementing the design they had, let alone a more ambitious design. Though I can certainly conceive of alternate designs with more races and less other stuff.
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Post by ticktak77 on Apr 7, 2017 2:37:13 GMT
Want to know why there aren't many new aliens in Andromeda? Because Bioware were lazy and tried to cut costs everywhere they could. There. I agree with the second but not the first thought. Maybe they wanted to focus on two races and flesh them out. Before you jump on my case, I dislike the new races we have seen so far. Bioware Montreal missed the opportunity to make the races truly unique. However, I can understand how Bioware choose to focus on two races when the game is based on a single cluster. I understand the logic behind sticking with two races business-wise as well. I just find the whole "they were just lazy" to be the lazy man excuse. "They're just a bunch of lazy cucks", "They're just stupid" that I hear people keep tossing around are just nonconstructive and honestly a lie. A lazy game would be Krog Wars, Hatred, and actual lazy cashgrabs that you find on Steam. Bioware Montreal was simply incompetent and mismanaged their resources. Also I thought you liked the game? I think the game is fun. I don't think it's a great game though. Good, average. Extremely flawed. And I agree with you. They missed the opportunity. It's going to feel incredibly contrived when, in the next Mass Effect game, even newer aliens just pop out of the woodwork. Would have been cool to have had them introduced, even quietly, in this game.
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Post by SKAR on Apr 7, 2017 3:06:21 GMT
The kett aren't collectors. They have a homeworld, culture,etc. We don't know much about remnant other than the creation of the Angara. Remember that we're in a tiny piece of Andromeda. Who knows how many more races are out there that have been exulted by the kett.
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Post by duckley on Apr 7, 2017 4:00:35 GMT
Two races so far....
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 7, 2017 4:13:07 GMT
It's going to feel incredibly contrived when, in the next Mass Effect game, even newer aliens just pop out of the woodwork. You mean the way the drell showed up in ME2?
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Post by ticktak77 on Apr 7, 2017 4:24:53 GMT
It's going to feel incredibly contrived when, in the next Mass Effect game, even newer aliens just pop out of the woodwork. You mean the way the drell showed up in ME2? Yep, though it doesn't feel nearly as contrived with the drell because they are "packaged" in with a race that we did see a lot of in ME1, the Hanar. Oh and there's plenty of other races that we know are present, despite not really interacting or learning about them, in ME1 as well - The Volus, Elcor, Batarians, etc
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 7, 2017 4:54:36 GMT
That's still more contrived than what's going to happen in the next ME game. New races will show up either through us going to their space, or them coming to ours.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 5:15:46 GMT
It's going to feel incredibly contrived when, in the next Mass Effect game, even newer aliens just pop out of the woodwork. You mean the way the drell showed up in ME2? And vorcha. And yahg. And let's not forget that it wasn't until ME3 that we saw a female krogan or salarian, and we needed DLC to see a female turian.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 12:52:12 GMT
I have just had a conversation about the Angaran history with Aliens on Nexus that addressed the question mark I had earlier. So, at the moment I have zero problems with how Helus cluster is presented in terms of sentient beings. I actually quite like it.
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