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Post by j42k1b8 on Apr 6, 2017 5:30:40 GMT
I'm really surprised there are only 2 new races. I think the remnants are reapers so they don't seem new.
The kett might be collectors.
Any speculation on why there are so few aliens in Andromeda compared to the Milky Way? So far I've encountered more humans on all the planets. We dominated this galaxy, next.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 5:31:27 GMT
Because it is only a single cluster out of the entire Andromeda Galaxy. Mass Effect introduced us to the entire Milky Way and the races that lived there.
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Post by legacyofmandalore on Apr 6, 2017 5:32:05 GMT
It's a single cluster...lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 5:52:00 GMT
Are the Remnant even technically a race? Also, don't forget the Angara.
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Post by Nightlife on Apr 6, 2017 5:58:43 GMT
Yeah I want more races too. We had how many with ME1? Asari, Turian, Krogan, Hanar, Volus, etc... Also I found the Angarans good looking but boring and not rich in backstory as the Milky Way races were.
More to come, I'm sure. Also - Quarians coming (and more)!
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Apr 6, 2017 6:23:44 GMT
And just how many sentient species does the Local Cluster have in the Mass Effect Trilogy?
The answer may surprise you.
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Post by ticktak77 on Apr 6, 2017 6:41:48 GMT
And just how many sentient species does the Local Cluster have in the Mass Effect Trilogy? The answer may surprise you.This. Did the "it's only one cluster" brigade play the original trilogy?
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 6, 2017 6:48:00 GMT
Are the Remnant even technically a race? Also, don't forget the Angara. They're a faction of sorts.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 6, 2017 6:48:13 GMT
There being only 2 new races is important for the story, because it deals with the Angarans' distrust in aliens after dealing with the only other race they've encountered being hostile parasites.
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Post by mastert on Apr 6, 2017 7:47:34 GMT
There being only 2 new races is important for the story, because it deals with the Angarans' distrust in aliens after dealing with the only other race they've encountered being hostile parasites. A whole game dedicated to two races ane yet the writing and story is so badz I care less for them than a single hanar In mass effect 1
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Post by phantomrachie on Apr 6, 2017 7:49:01 GMT
And just how many sentient species does the Local Cluster have in the Mass Effect Trilogy? The answer may surprise you.This. Did the "it's only one cluster" brigade play the original trilogy? Did you? The local cluster evolved one sentient species, humans. Other races were from different clusters.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 6, 2017 7:55:41 GMT
I think many seem to be forgetting that the Heleus Cluster appears to have been a dead cluster before the Jardaan arrived. What I mean by a "dead cluster" is the Jardaan allegedly went to the cluster to terraform planets and restore (or create) them. Even the Angara were created by the Jardaan, implying there were no other species in the Heleus Cluster.
It's silly to compare the Heleus Cluster to others because it has been built by artificial means, rather than natural evolution. It should also be noted that the Kett have performed exaltation on over 1000 species in the Andromeda galaxy. Even if there were other species to see, it's likely the Kett would have wiped many of them out due to their never ending quest for perfection and dominance.
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 6, 2017 7:56:34 GMT
...and "new" is stretching it.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Apr 6, 2017 8:17:56 GMT
I don't think they have Mass relays. No, there most certainly isn't any Mass relay technology in Andromeda. So travelling outside the Helios cluster might not be plausible for the species inside the cluster. The Helious is just a small part of a big galaxy. Without Mass relays it's not possible to jump across clusters for a human lifetime, even with FTL speeds. If you would for example travel at the speed of light across the length of the Milky Way, it would take over 100,000 years. So the reason you see only 2 species in what seems to be a small, local war between the two is because without having access to jump gates, it's not possible to further explore outer reaches of the Helios cluster, as there might be a lot of empty space between the nearest other cluster, making it impossible to travel back and forth within a lifetime to see what's out there. That is without a technology like Mass relay, of course, which makes it possible to jump across Milky Way instantly (works pretty much like a worm hole would). And the thing is, that even most of the Milky Way is not explored as the current Mass relays that we have don't connect to all the destinations. It took 600 years in standard FTL travel for them to reach Andromeda, which is actually extremely fast FTL, considering it would take 100,000 years to just cross the galaxy at base light speed.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 6, 2017 8:38:40 GMT
I think many seem to be forgetting that the Heleus Cluster appears to have been a dead cluster before the Jardaan arrived. What I mean by a "dead cluster" is the Jardaan allegedly went to the cluster to terraform planets and restore (or create) them. Even the Angara were created by the Jardaan, implying there were no other species in the Heleus Cluster. It's silly to compare the Heleus Cluster to others because it has been built by artificial means, rather than natural evolution. It should also be noted that the Kett have performed exaltation on over 1000 species in the Andromeda galaxy. Even if there were other species to see, it's likely the Kett would have wiped many of them out due to their never ending quest for perfection and dominance. But here's the fun thing. Does anyone still remember AI briefings? Golden Worlds were initially found with 2.5 millions years old data on which asari created prediction models, which showed they would be habitable at the time of arrival. But AI couldn't depart until they were able to confirm these models with present data. So if all these planets were supposed to become habitable naturally, what the hell they terraformed there?
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 6, 2017 8:46:22 GMT
The data wasn't that old. They had a geth built FTL telescope that cut down the lag significantly. They don't specify how much it cut the lag by but it's implied that their data was only a few hundred years out of date.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 6, 2017 8:49:28 GMT
I think many seem to be forgetting that the Heleus Cluster appears to have been a dead cluster before the Jardaan arrived. What I mean by a "dead cluster" is the Jardaan allegedly went to the cluster to terraform planets and restore (or create) them. Even the Angara were created by the Jardaan, implying there were no other species in the Heleus Cluster. It's silly to compare the Heleus Cluster to others because it has been built by artificial means, rather than natural evolution. It should also be noted that the Kett have performed exaltation on over 1000 species in the Andromeda galaxy. Even if there were other species to see, it's likely the Kett would have wiped many of them out due to their never ending quest for perfection and dominance. But here's the fun thing. Does anyone still remember AI briefings? Golden Worlds were initially found with 2.5 millions years old data on which asari created prediction models, which showed they would be habitable at the time of arrival. But AI couldn't depart until they were able to confirm these models with present data. So if all these planets were supposed to become habitable naturally, what the hell they terraformed there? It's worth pointing out that the seven "golden worlds" were apparently viable 600 years ago (at least based on the data the MW races thought was accurate). However, we know that remnant technology appeared on at least Habitat 7 around 300-400 years ago, based on Ryder's estimates. There's a 200-300 year gap in which something must have caused these planets to lose their viability. The Jardaan were allegedly repairing (or improving) these planets before the Scourge was unleashed. On every planet we are able to explore, there was never any sign of ancient civilizations beyond the Angara (perhaps really the Jardaan). Whatever the case, external threats seem to have caused the Heleus Cluster to become the mystery it has with a lack of any natural life in sight.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 6, 2017 9:24:44 GMT
actually since the kett are multiple species mixed into one you have go thousands in the archon alone. lol. Also the remnants are more like protheans given they seemed to be running from something or scared of it. Whatever they were scared of could be like the reapers I guess.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Apr 6, 2017 11:17:54 GMT
I think many seem to be forgetting that the Heleus Cluster appears to have been a dead cluster before the Jardaan arrived. What I mean by a "dead cluster" is the Jardaan allegedly went to the cluster to terraform planets and restore (or create) them. Even the Angara were created by the Jardaan, implying there were no other species in the Heleus Cluster. It's silly to compare the Heleus Cluster to others because it has been built by artificial means, rather than natural evolution. It should also be noted that the Kett have performed exaltation on over 1000 species in the Andromeda galaxy. Even if there were other species to see, it's likely the Kett would have wiped many of them out due to their never ending quest for perfection and dominance. Where did you get that number, was it in the codex?
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Post by Ianamus on Apr 6, 2017 11:20:34 GMT
I think many seem to be forgetting that the Heleus Cluster appears to have been a dead cluster before the Jardaan arrived. What I mean by a "dead cluster" is the Jardaan allegedly went to the cluster to terraform planets and restore (or create) them. Even the Angara were created by the Jardaan, implying there were no other species in the Heleus Cluster. It's silly to compare the Heleus Cluster to others because it has been built by artificial means, rather than natural evolution. It should also be noted that the Kett have performed exaltation on over 1000 species in the Andromeda galaxy. Even if there were other species to see, it's likely the Kett would have wiped many of them out due to their never ending quest for perfection and dominance. Was it? Early on it's stated that the remnant structures weren't on their scans and must have been built after they left the Milky Way. This implies that the golden world were golden before the Jardaan arrived.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 6, 2017 11:43:44 GMT
Why on earth do people not use their brains? This complaint is ridiculous. WE ARE DEALING WITH ONLY A SINGLE STAR CLUSTER. The scientific odds of finding even ONE race of intelligent life in a cluster is slim to none, but TWO? Are all of you insane? Do you not comprehend the scientific improbability of what you're asking? Tell me, how many races did we discover in the Hades Gamma Cluster? ZERO. What about the Kelper Verge Cluster? ZERO. What about the Hawking Eta Cluster? ZERO. I could go on all day with the same result. It's absolutely ridiculous that people expect an entire complex galactic society inside of a single star cluster.
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Post by shechinah on Apr 6, 2017 11:46:51 GMT
It's silly to compare the Heleus Cluster to others because it has been built by artificial means, rather than natural evolution. It should also be noted that the Kett have performed exaltation on over 1000 species in the Andromeda galaxy. Even if there were other species to see, it's likely the Kett would have wiped many of them out due to their never ending quest for perfection and dominance. Where did you get that number, was it in the codex? I think the Archon, at one point, says that he's the something, something of a thousand races, species or something. Granted, it may been boasting on his part since he says it during the final battle and so it may not be an accurate number but then we also don't know how long the Kett, in some form or another, have been around.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Apr 6, 2017 11:55:51 GMT
Why on earth do people not use their brains? This complaint is ridiculous. WE ARE DEALING WITH ONLY A SINGLE STAR CLUSTER. The scientific odds of finding even ONE race of intelligent life in a cluster is slim to none, but TWO? Are all of you insane? Do you not comprehend the scientific improbability of what you're asking? Tell me, how many races did we discover in the Hades Gamma Cluster? ZERO. What about the Kelper Verge Cluster? ZERO. What about the Hawking Eta Cluster? ZERO. I could go on all day with the same result. It's absolutely ridiculous that people expect an entire complex galactic society inside of a single star cluster. This is exactly what I was saying in my post as well. It's just one tiny cluster in a huge galaxy. Without jump gates (Mass relays) the species within Andromeda do not have the ability to further explore space beyond their cluster. People underestimate the size of the galaxies and distances between clusters within. And Milky Way itself is still mostly unexplored beyond the clusters that the Mass relays provide shortcuts for. And why did they go to Andromeda anyway if most of Milky Way is unexplored? Simple human curiosity. Besides, they have a possible safe card in case things in the Milky Way go terribly wrong (which they did) and judging by the timeline in the game the expedition happened during the conception of the Lazarus project, so it might be possible that the Initiatives were already aware of a possible doom for the Milky Way galaxy. Besides that, they were just curious what is in Andromeda, anyway. It's almost a safer bet to settle somewhere completely new if you can, outside of what's going on in your home galaxy, plus settling our species across multiple galaxies in the universe cannot be a bad idea by itself.
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Post by robwolf666 on Apr 6, 2017 12:15:02 GMT
I'm really surprised there are only 2 new races. I think the remnants are reapers so they don't seem new. The kett might be collectors. Any speculation on why there are so few aliens in Andromeda compared to the Milky Way? So far I've encountered more humans on all the planets. We dominated this galaxy, next. Actually, if I heard right, the Angarans said the Kett "arrived" in the cluster, or their boss did, so they're not from there either, so it's technically only one new sentient race. But don't forget all the new wildlife, they count right?
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 6, 2017 12:15:16 GMT
That being said the Kett apparently have some ability to travel between clusters as they aren't native to Heleus, either, and their ships are specified in the codex as being less advanced than what the Systems Alliance was fielding before the Arks left.
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