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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 11, 2017 8:58:09 GMT
I got a problem, which I never EVER have with any ME game before.
I did most of the stuff in the game, all loyalty quests done, i go thru every possible conversation with anyone I've found, only some minor quests left and now I am preparing myself for a Journey to Meridian... but I just don't feel any depth in this story, no emotions, nothing ? Just another mission i need to do to. That's it. And i know, that i'am not very far from finishing.
When i replay trilogy XX times, even when i saw same moments over and over again, i always felt that WOW, emotions just been flying around... but Andromeda doesn't have any of this, there was not even one single moment when i felt same way. Very sad, really. Is it because of poor writing or so ?
I am not complaining like most the people about animations, bugs, errors and other stuff, but now i can see that probably the most important thing about trilogy was that there been SO MANY great unforgettable moments, so emotional, so full...
I got the feeling that people, who write main story for Andromeda didn't have the heart for this. They just did their job, nothing more, nothing less. Just cannot believe that they did those parts SO MUCH BETTER in the past, in every single ME game, and with Andromeda they deliver such a emotionally detached and empty story.
But maybe it's just me.
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Post by Rivercurse on Apr 11, 2017 9:13:35 GMT
Why would you think it's just you? I don't think i've read anything from anyone, reviewer or gamer, who has singled out the plot as the game's high point.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 11, 2017 9:14:34 GMT
Felt the same way when i played/finished DA:I and now ME:A, felt nothing and carried on with my life afterwards.
In comparison, after finishing DA:O, i was thinking about the game days after. Same with ME1/ME2 (and to some extent ME3).
Tbh, ME:As main story is just too spread out, being "open world" and so short doesn't help either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 9:16:38 GMT
The game is just utterly boring. I had more fun playing DA2.
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Post by Subtle on Apr 11, 2017 9:18:54 GMT
Totally agree.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 11, 2017 9:19:09 GMT
The game is just utterly boring. I had more fun playing DA2. To be absolutely honest... i agree with you. I got much more fun being a Hawke than being a Ryder. DA2 got a lot of weakness, but story wasn't one of them.
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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 11, 2017 9:22:00 GMT
That's a feeling shared by a lot of people.
Andromeda just lacks soul. They want you to believe what they are selling but it's all talk. I don't know, for example, how many times I've seen people saying "oh, this isn't the milk way", or "what, this is so alien!" when in the reality every planet you go could very well be a region of Earth. The game wants forces you to like your squadmates, even though they are the worst crew in any Bioware game and so on.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 11, 2017 9:26:35 GMT
It's not only you.
There are many reasons for it: writing, VA (usually direction more than actors), animations. Pretty much no general concept of how to implement all characters in the story. Most of your companions exist in a vacuum, they have some stories and so on, but there is no good reason for them to be traveling with you. They join you because "reasons" and then they are busy doing something completely unrelated to the plot (both Archon and planet viability).
As for NPC's- they exist only to provide excuse for the game making you go to place x and scan\shoot things.
Why would you feel any emotions? You're saving the galaxy by being nice to everyone but the very very evil Kett and mindless bots. You're not even a person.
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Post by doch on Apr 11, 2017 9:29:24 GMT
Ditto, a thousand times over.
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Post by doch on Apr 11, 2017 9:46:22 GMT
The more I think about it, SAM breaks any possibility of immersion, time and time again - with constant bugging, alerting, bossing you around. You really are like his puppet. Consistently leading you, and he does EVERYTHING important. You just shoot a gun and use powers during combat. The dialogue is entirely forgettable. The Angara are the most boring aliens ever conceived of in a video game (heck even in a movie). It's painful to have to talk to any of them. Such a chore. Engaging in conversations is a sleepfest. I noted before that I really like the banter between Peebee and Drack. I do. In fact, Peebee overall has the best lines. Still quite surface-ie though. However, that and the combat are the only (at least for me) lasting enjoyable elements of the game.
Here's to hoping Bioware's next installment dumps everything that is Andromeda and starts afresh. Starting with talented and experienced writing.
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Post by Pearl on Apr 11, 2017 9:48:43 GMT
Couldn't agree more. I'm sitting at 90% completion on my current save, and at no point can I remember actually feeling invested, or even engaged, in any of it. I'm not even sure why I bothered completing the game, probably a mix of "I don't want to talk shit about something I haven't actually finished." and "I don't have any other games to play right now."
But yeah, now that I've finished it: Andromeda is a bland, soulless experience as a whole. The only part of the game I enjoyed was interacting with Vetra. All the feel-good stuff in the epilogue was gratifying, but ultimately provided no actual closure to any of the loose ends (and included the most blatant DLC hook since the message at the end of ME3).
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Post by vonuber on Apr 11, 2017 9:56:30 GMT
Would you get the same feelings if you only played ME1, 2 or 3 in isolation without playing (or having played) any of the other two?
So a non import fresh ME3 play for example.
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Post by fraggle on Apr 11, 2017 10:15:38 GMT
Andromeda is the first game where I skipped dialogue lines, and that says everything for me.
I don't hate the game, but it's definitely tough to really get into it. It's just mediocre and the Archon is a joke of a villain.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 11, 2017 10:33:22 GMT
I got a problem, which I never EVER have with any ME game before. I did most of the stuff in the game, all loyalty quests done, i go thru every possible conversation with anyone I've found, only some minor quests left and now I am preparing myself for a Journey to Meridian... but I just don't feel any depth in this story, no emotions, nothing ? Just another mission i need to do to. That's it. And i know, that i'am not very far from finishing. When i replay trilogy XX times, even when i saw same moments over and over again, i always felt that WOW, emotions just been flying around... but Andromeda doesn't have any of this, there was not even one single moment when i felt same way. Very sad, really. Is it because of poor writing or so ? I am not complaining like most the people about animations, bugs, errors and other stuff, but now i can see that probably the most important thing about trilogy was that there been SO MANY great unforgettable moments, so emotional, so full... I got the feeling that people, who write main story for Andromeda didn't have the heart for this. They just did their job, nothing more, nothing less. Just cannot believe that they did those parts SO MUCH BETTER in the past, in every single ME game, and with Andromeda they deliver such a emotionally detached and empty story. But maybe it's just me. No, it's not just you. What you described is something what I consider a biggest letdown of Andromeda which also something that sadly can not be fixed. Just as you said - game fails to create and relate emotions to player, which I think is due to very poor and shallow, not to say immature, character and dialogue writing. To put it simply - game does not make you care about its characters, its world, and what happens with them, something that virtually all previous Bioware games did. Everything else can be easily overlooked and forgiven - animations, graphics, bugs, glitches, mediocre story, hamfisting politics in a crudest manner possible - if the game made player to relate and connect to characters, made player care, made player like to spend time in their company and eventually, when the game is over, left a bittersweet feeling of emptiness from realization that the journey is over and you are back on your own. Andromeda simply does not do that, and never will be. And this is its biggest weakness. |
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 11, 2017 10:39:00 GMT
Would you get the same feelings if you only played ME1, 2 or 3 in isolation without playing (or having played) any of the other two? So a non import fresh ME3 play for example. 2 and 3 - definitely yes. Those games are very strong on their own (in the context of discussion). ME1 is less so, but still not anywhere as empty as Andromeda is. ME1 dialogue with Urdnot Rex about line between allies and enemies getting thin, has more character and emotions in it than most Andromeda party dialogues combined. But I will say in advance - lets agree to disagree, because seeing you excusing this shallow game in virtually every thread I go, there is clearly no point in further discussion. |
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Post by bizantura on Apr 11, 2017 10:42:29 GMT
The characters in this game are simply flatliners. The glue that binds the game with interesting written characters that made your care is gone.
Hence a mediocre game, a dime a dozen. Sadly Bioware has thrown their "hallmark" in the dustbin. Seems all inspiring writers are gone....
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 11, 2017 10:46:00 GMT
You're not alone OP.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 11, 2017 10:49:20 GMT
Would you get the same feelings if you only played ME1, 2 or 3 in isolation without playing (or having played) any of the other two? So a non import fresh ME3 play for example. I played ME1 in isolation and I certainly felt more invested than while playing Andromeda. There are some similarities, but ME1 was original and new. It also had way more complex universe, was more polished, and had better, more consistent writing. |
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Post by Gileadan on Apr 11, 2017 10:58:02 GMT
It took me about 100 hours to finish the SP, and I was ready for it to end at the 50 hour mark. I did most of the side content, only avoiding real atrocities like "Naming the dead" or "Unearthed", stuff that basically expected you to scan the entire effing map.
While some characters had good moments and some banter was really fun, the overall storyline didn't do much for me, and the angarans were just kinda there.
The Archon was a godawful antagonist. Like a minimum wage Corypheus - he even babbled the same crap about the protagonist being his rival at some point. The kett are so much like Collectors that the "revelation" merely caused me to shrug and mutter "Oh, again?".
And I felt like was mostly just SAM's personal armed carrier. "Go stop the Archon, Ryder, would you kindly..."
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Post by qwib on Apr 11, 2017 10:58:06 GMT
It doesn't have a wow factor, because you are basically playing me1 again.
Which is what everyone and their grandmother wanted in the old forum. Lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 11:04:37 GMT
Andromeda gripped me at the same moments that Mass Effect 1 did, near the ending and the actual ending. The pacing is pretty bad though, which is something they need to solve when it comes to a sequel.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 11, 2017 11:13:46 GMT
It doesn't have a wow factor, because you are basically playing me1 again. Which is what everyone and their grandmother wanted in the old forum. Lol I don't recall asking for Mass Effect 1 minus all the interesting characters and locations. |
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 11, 2017 11:15:03 GMT
The problem is that you are constantly separated from the plot threads by these planetary side quests.
It's basically the Dragon Age Inquisition flaw, where they cut on main and squad story mission time by creating random NPC content to fill up their big empty maps.
Their maps have beautiful assets, but they are just empty. I can barely remember most of the NPC's let alone outpost NPC's because most of them are simply forgettable.
Bioware needs to realize that their strength lies in linear storytelling with GOOD INSTANCED mission content. The Squad Loyalty and main story missions were pretty damn good.
Some side missions are good as well, like Kett bases and doing the Angaran special ops gauntlet. But many of the side quests are just annoying fetch quests ala DAI.
DAI was a deeply mediocre game besides the main story and characters (which were, again, pretty good).
Bioware needs to cut out the meaningless fillers. Stick to narrative and squad elucidation.
I loved my Andromeda squad despite what everybody says. Liam was the least interesting, but I don't mind him either.
My problem was that there was very little to do with the squad itself besides one loyalty mission.
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Post by mmoblitz on Apr 11, 2017 11:15:33 GMT
Your not alone OP. For me, it is the worst of the series with forgettable companions and writing that is an insult to the Mass Effect name.
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Post by Estaq99 on Apr 11, 2017 11:31:43 GMT
Would you get the same feelings if you only played ME1, 2 or 3 in isolation without playing (or having played) any of the other two? So a non import fresh ME3 play for example. Absolutely, I became a fan of Mass Effect after paying ME3. Yeah, I know the original ends weren't what I would have expected and that left me a bit angry but it was MA3 that opened the door for me wanting to play the other two games in the trilogy (and I did replay the three of them, many times). I didn't even finish MEA and I couldn't replay such a boring, disenchanting, uninspiring mess even if EAwere reimbursed my purchase and sent me whatever "finish the MEA story DLC", no charge. |
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