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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 15, 2017 22:19:47 GMT
Not sensitive. Wrathful. You hit a trigger I received in the military. I am stating facts. When using an infiltrator, the Isharay is a very good gun. Just because you don't like that in your statements doesn't make it less true. It is one of the hardest hitting SR in the game. It is not tier 3 trash because it is still viable even if it is with an infiltrator. I also don't give a shit about the polls. I know what I believe to be true, and I am sticking with it. I am not saying it doesn't need some work, but moving it to tier 3 is a no no. No one here said tier 3 is trash besides you. Just so you know. Also, I didn't say isharay is a bad gun. It's just not as good as the other sniper rifles in tier 2 in practice. The lack of reload canceling seriously hurts. No one needed to say t3 is trash. The list of weapons in it more then speaks for it. I think it is just as good. The reload cancelling is missed by me, but they fixed the overall reload issue with it reloading again once you scope in. It has a role; you just need the right kit for it like the revenat. It requires turbocharge to be good.
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Post by killabkilledb on Apr 15, 2017 22:21:29 GMT
I think ive used the Isharay like once, is it even worth it with no reload cancelling? I think its tons of fun... I like one shotting sharpshooters...
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Post by Urizen on Apr 15, 2017 22:23:41 GMT
Wow, tooooooooooouchy~ How about you actually address the points rather than get sensitive? I care about facts right now. Not your feelings. You can keep comparing them, and the results will stay the same; the lack of reasons to use the isharay over the black widow. Do you want to make this poll, or do I have to? It's a very easy way to validate (or completely counter) your point. If BSN is at least split on it, then you'd probably be right; the isharay may belong on the same tier as the black widow. Otherwise, if the overwhelming majority of players would rather use the black widow given the choice, then it makes little sense for them to be on the same tier. Hell, I'm advocating for a damage buff, and reload speed increase to help your favorite sniper rifle. The Isharay is however clearly better than the Widow though, dealing already more damage at rank 2 than the Widow at rank 10. If anything, the BW should be moved to tier 1 and the Isharay can stay as is.
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Post by operatorm1 on Apr 15, 2017 22:36:10 GMT
Wow, tooooooooooouchy~ How about you actually address the points rather than get sensitive? I care about facts right now. Not your feelings. You can keep comparing them, and the results will stay the same; the lack of reasons to use the isharay over the black widow. Do you want to make this poll, or do I have to? It's a very easy way to validate (or completely counter) your point. If BSN is at least split on it, then you'd probably be right; the isharay may belong on the same tier as the black widow. Otherwise, if the overwhelming majority of players would rather use the black widow given the choice, then it makes little sense for them to be on the same tier. Hell, I'm advocating for a damage buff, and reload speed increase to help your favorite sniper rifle. The Isharay is however clearly better than the Widow though, dealing already more damage at rank 2 than the Widow at rank 10. If anything, the BW should be moved to tier 1 and the Isharay can stay as is. I did agree with someone who mentioned that as an alternative earlier. The black widow is fully capable of one-shotting with a headshot just like the vanquisher with less upgrades needed. Though it has higher weight, lower capacity, lower fire rate, it still is very close to the vanquisher in function, and performance. The only tricky thing after that would be valiant vs isharay. I'd still say it's unlikely the isharay would ever be a preferable choice over the valiant for the masses given the choice. Either the valiant would be promoted to tier 1, or the isharay demoted tot tier 3 as a result.
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Post by Debaser on Apr 15, 2017 22:40:35 GMT
It's weird seeing the Carnifex and Mattock at the bottom considering how well off they were in ME2 and ME3. Is the PAW that bad? In singleplayer it is really good at proccing ammo powers, so classes that detonate a lot like a Human Sentinel, Adept, or Kineticist it would probably be tier 2 for them under the Hurricane/Equalizer.
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Post by fiannawolf on Apr 15, 2017 22:46:24 GMT
The N7 Valkyrie was my favorite....its sad that it sucks wind in MP.
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Post by spacev3gan on Apr 15, 2017 23:09:50 GMT
I didn't see the Hesh on the list, and I would probably say it is Tier 2 in my book. I've easily managed to complete the 140k challenge points with that on Infiltrators quite some time ago. It powerful enough at very close range and a ton of fun. Far better than most guns in the game. I would also say that with Infiltrators and Soldiers the Piranha is Tier 1-ish.
As for the Indra being tier 3, well, some people might argue and make that gun perform wonders. I am not one of the those, but I have seen some players making it poses as a Tier 2 gun at least, if is not 'Tier 1.5'.
The Vanquisher is obviously untouchable, though I would say Melee is also Tier 1 in this game.
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 16, 2017 0:49:05 GMT
List needs more tiers. Too many guns in tier 2.
Also how dare they disrespect the great sweeper like this. They must not have it at rank x or they are using it with a bad build. The gun is godly.
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Post by penguinfetish on Apr 16, 2017 0:54:05 GMT
It's weird seeing the Carnifex and Mattock at the bottom considering how well off they were in ME2 and ME3. Is the PAW that bad? In singleplayer it is really good at proccing ammo powers, so classes that detonate a lot like a Human Sentinel, Adept, or Kineticist it would probably be tier 2 for them under the Hurricane/Equalizer. ive heard the PAW is good at priming, but with power combos being somewhat lacking in raw power, its not really a great asset to have in a gun at the moment.
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Post by ryuji2 on Apr 16, 2017 1:19:24 GMT
I don't understand... I've heard people saying that they've gotten my beloved Reegar Carbine in mp also but it's never on those list! What is going on?! Im not gonna get my weapon??? I want my weapon!!!! I want my claymoar I miss the Claymore, Raider, Acolyte, Reegar(though it tickles now it seems, at least on Insanity SP), Raider, Harrier, Javelin, Raider, PPR, Typhoon, Raider. Did I mention Raider?
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 16, 2017 1:21:01 GMT
I want my claymoar I miss the Claymore, Raider, Acolyte, Reegar(though it tickles now it seems, at least on Insanity SP), Raider, Harrier, Javelin, Raider, PPR, Typhoon, Raider. Did I mention Raider? Nope, I don't think you did.
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Post by ryuji2 on Apr 16, 2017 1:34:47 GMT
I miss the Claymore, Raider, Acolyte, Reegar(though it tickles now it seems, at least on Insanity SP), Raider, Harrier, Javelin, Raider, PPR, Typhoon, Raider. Did I mention Raider? Nope, I don't think you did. I loved that shotgun, particularly on the adrenaline rush Human Soldier. It felt like a faster-firing Claymore at times, though a well placed shot from a Claymore RIP'd everything a new one. Eagle is tier 4 imo, other than that, I think the list is fairly accurate. That gun was a pain in the ass to complete in challenge. Currently? Or in ME3? Cause after the buff to it, if you slapped it on the turian marksman soldier with AP IV, Pistol III and maybe pistol gear or headshot gear, it hit like a truck. It was no Hurricane but it still was really nice. I sped through the challenge for it with that kit. Was super fun.
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Post by Heroicmass on Apr 16, 2017 1:42:31 GMT
There definitely need to be more tiers. That being said, a survey such as this shows that some people have no clue what they are talking about with regards to certain weapons. Such is the masses though.
i.e. who in their right mind would put the charger in the same class as the hurricane?
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Post by penguinfetish on Apr 16, 2017 1:58:42 GMT
There definitely need to be more tiers. That being said, a survey such as this shows that some people have no clue what they are talking about with regards to certain weapons. Such is the masses though. i.e. who in their right mind would put the charger in the same class as the hurricane? Hurricane is hard to get. Charger is easy to get at X. At least thats all i can think of
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Post by cricketer15 on Apr 16, 2017 1:58:58 GMT
Don't know, thought the Hesh is one of the better shotguns that deserves a mentioned.
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Post by killabkilledb on Apr 16, 2017 2:46:49 GMT
forgot to mention: sidewinder > equalizer and its tons more fun to use...
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Post by grim0011 on Apr 16, 2017 3:07:40 GMT
Don't know, thought the Hesh is one of the better shotguns that deserves a mentioned. I have to agree with this. Hesh is an amazing gun that can easily out perform a lot of guns especially with say some incendiary rounds, shotgun rail, infiltrator with the +2 second remain cloaked perk. Basically make yourself the anti-armor nightmare When on gold, just cloak up behind a fiend plant some anti-armor stickies and then you open a portal to hell itself on his backside unleashing the burning hatred of Lucifer upon what may as well be his flesh at this point.
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Post by PawsPause on Apr 16, 2017 3:16:52 GMT
Nope, I don't think you did. I loved that shotgun, particularly on the adrenaline rush Human Soldier. It felt like a faster-firing Claymore at times, though a well placed shot from a Claymore RIP'd everything a new one. That gun was a pain in the ass to complete in challenge. Currently? Or in ME3? Cause after the buff to it, if you slapped it on the turian marksman soldier with AP IV, Pistol III and maybe pistol gear or headshot gear, it hit like a truck. It was no Hurricane but it still was really nice. I sped through the challenge for it with that kit. Was super fun. No sir. The embarrassing Eagle that's in Andromeda. Not even deserving of having the N7 title. Took about 35-40 games to complete 140k challenge.
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Post by ryuji2 on Apr 16, 2017 3:23:01 GMT
No sir. The embarrassing Eagle that's in Andromeda. Not even deserving of having the N7 title. Took about 35-40 games to complete 140k challenge. Ah, yeah I don't blame you. It feels extremely meh.
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Post by killabkilledb on Apr 16, 2017 3:30:28 GMT
The Sweeper X TM is un-f**king-stoppable on gold Problem there was that you weren't using the Architect. Weapon passives? Enemy damage debuffs? AR amp 3? Ammo amp 3? AR 10% gear? Barrel X? Its not great but if you have all the trimmings with it then its okay...not what the debs seem to think but not as bad as some of you make it out to be..
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Post by cosmiccricket on Apr 16, 2017 8:08:35 GMT
This tier list is actually pretty much spot-on. The only glaring issue is understandable: not many people have the Inferno at rank X yet.
Once the Inferno reaches its max shot capacity (7 shots), it rockets into tier 1, and IMO is even better than the Vanquisher. It takes the crown for highest DPS away from the Piranha, except the Inferno is also pinpoint accurate, and never runs into reloading issues on top of that.
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Post by Geitenneuker on Apr 16, 2017 8:22:14 GMT
This tier list is actually pretty much spot-on. The only glaring issue is understandable: not many people have the Inferno at rank X yet. Once the Inferno reaches its max shot capacity (7 shots), it rockets into tier 1, and IMO is even better than the Vanquisher. It takes the crown for highest DPS away from the Piranha, except the Inferno is also pinpoint accurate, and never runs into reloading issues on top of that. You have it at X?
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Post by cosmiccricket on Apr 16, 2017 8:23:19 GMT
This tier list is actually pretty much spot-on. The only glaring issue is understandable: not many people have the Inferno at rank X yet. Once the Inferno reaches its max shot capacity (7 shots), it rockets into tier 1, and IMO is even better than the Vanquisher. It takes the crown for highest DPS away from the Piranha, except the Inferno is also pinpoint accurate, and never runs into reloading issues on top of that. You have it at X? This guy does: I know his inferno is at X because I was in a match with him myself recently.
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Post by Geitenneuker on Apr 16, 2017 8:29:39 GMT
This guy does: I know his inferno is at X because I was in a match with him myself recently. I don't really see the inherent advantage it has over a Valiant X, which has quick reload and amounts to the same amount of time waiting as reloading. It seems good but not necessarily better.
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Post by operatorm1 on Apr 16, 2017 10:44:27 GMT
This guy does: I know his inferno is at X because I was in a match with him myself recently. Not bad, but still not a fan, even if I have to deal with a reload animation with a vanquisher/valiant. Just got my vanquisher to 9, and now, even my asari huntress (+15% weapon damage, no increased damage to headshots) can one shot full HP raiders with a bullet to the head. From stealth grid, sabotuers, anarchists, and agents get one-shotted from full. With one more rank, and the guerrilla upgrade, vanquisher will be perfectly capable of killing raiders with two shots to the body. I prefer killing in 1-2 shots. I'd like to see what a valiant X can do.
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