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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 20, 2017 13:47:53 GMT
not sure if trolling or.... Seriously, are you fucking trolling? Holy shit No, just fed up on all the bitching. I actually like MEA-MP despite its flaws. So you are a troll. A scrub troll who can't handle Gold difficulty, so talks shit about it to make himself feel better. You are that transparent. Good for you if you like the game, fuck off about your preferred difficulty bias.
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Post by PillarBiter on Apr 20, 2017 13:53:28 GMT
Guise I second all your emotions here, all the frustration and rage. But honestly - how many of you are still playing this mess of a game? I'm guessing a lot less than on the launch day but also a lot more than the game deserves. I quit two weeks ago not bc I hate Bioware and want them dead. But bc the only way to make them pull their heads out of their asses is for the playerbase to quit in huge numbers as a form of protest. Not for good, just for the time being. As long as people play the game Bioware can say "We need not rush, people are still playing, this is fine". The problem is: uBSN is not the playerbase at all. We're the top 10% of players most game developers never give any shit about. I'd bet 80% of all MEAMP-Players are still playing mostly bronze with the occasional silver. BW see their figures and gives them new content first. Not gonna change. I am that 80%, and do you know why? Because the 10% bawl so loud, it makes me afraid to start gold and to come out looking like a 'silly noob who tries gold'. I don't think the toxic gold players realise they themselves contribute to the overall bad gold community.
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Post by Urizen on Apr 20, 2017 13:59:23 GMT
I didn´t know I´m toxic. Thank you for that observation.
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Post by Ajax on Apr 20, 2017 14:00:04 GMT
OR, they could be working on a whole heap of balance changes and holding out on releasing them until they're sure it's ready. And personally, I would rather put up with the current shitfest for a couple more weeks and then get an actually superior version, than push BioWare into releasing fixes now and end up with an even buggier mess. Yes, we may be overreacting but this is not 2007, in another month most people could be just about fresh out of fucks to give.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 20, 2017 14:09:08 GMT
At least they are acknowledging the fact that balance need to be updated.
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Post by niroz on Apr 20, 2017 14:10:49 GMT
The problem is: uBSN is not the playerbase at all. We're the top 10% of players most game developers never give any shit about. I'd bet 80% of all MEAMP-Players are still playing mostly bronze with the occasional silver. BW see their figures and gives them new content first. Not gonna change. I am that 80%, and do you know why? Because the 10% bawl so loud, it makes me afraid to start gold and to come out looking like a 'silly noob who tries gold'. I don't think the toxic gold players realise they themselves contribute to the overall bad gold community. Huh? Who gives a f**k what others think of you - just play gold if you want to play gold. If you meet some lone life loser(s) who have to go out of their way to all out antagonize you because you were human and made a justified f**k up, gratz - take comfort in knowing that the individual(s) probably get dumped on 24/7 IRL. I play 95% gold, and I rarely see toxic behavior from mid to high APEX ratings when there are low APEX rating players in the lobby/game. The most toxic behavior I see is from the f**king game's netcode causing consistent crashing. This is from my experiences on PC, so the console community experience may vary.
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Post by kalil on Apr 20, 2017 14:36:12 GMT
The problem is: uBSN is not the playerbase at all. We're the top 10% of players most game developers never give any shit about. I'd bet 80% of all MEAMP-Players are still playing mostly bronze with the occasional silver. BW see their figures and gives them new content first. Not gonna change. I am that 80%, and do you know why? Because the 10% bawl so loud, it makes me afraid to start gold and to come out looking like a 'silly noob who tries gold'. I don't think the toxic gold players realise they themselves contribute to the overall bad gold community. No one ever says a word on comms. Ever. How are they/we toxic again?
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Post by hieroglyph on Apr 20, 2017 14:42:27 GMT
Yes, BioWare could be sitting on their asses doing nothing, because people are playing the game regardless and who gives a shit about the integrity of their product when they don't have to, amirite? OR, they could be working on a whole heap of balance changes and holding out on releasing them until they're sure it's ready. And personally, I would rather put up with the current shitfest for a couple more weeks and then get an actually superior version, than push BioWare into releasing fixes now and end up with an even buggier mess. Now please continue with your inane circlejerk about how BioVer is teh worsest companie evur. While this is a valiant white knight attempt, the issue is that ME3 had weekly balance changes and even those took months to make most things balanced. Now we have less than half that amount of support and you think that changing everything at once will actually fix more than it breaks? I'm curious but what evidence do you have to support such logic? Blind faith? A Bioware fanboy card? At some point you need to realize that the problems exist because Bioware didn't do the right things, like having a MP beta before release, or slowly releasing content so that such changes could be managed more easily.
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Post by physiolosopher on Apr 20, 2017 14:45:55 GMT
The problem is: uBSN is not the playerbase at all. We're the top 10% of players most game developers never give any shit about. I'd bet 80% of all MEAMP-Players are still playing mostly bronze with the occasional silver. BW see their figures and gives them new content first. Not gonna change. I am that 80%, and do you know why? Because the 10% bawl so loud, it makes me afraid to start gold and to come out looking like a 'silly noob who tries gold'. I don't think the toxic gold players realise they themselves contribute to the overall bad gold community. Toxicity? Of our city? What do you own the board? How do you own disorder?
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Post by someN7orother on Apr 20, 2017 14:47:06 GMT
And personally, I would rather put up with the current shitfest for a couple more weeks and then get an actually superior version, than push BioWare into releasing fixes now and end up with an even buggier mess. Yeah... or you could, you know, think for a fucking second and realize that you don't have to put up with this shitfest *at all*, because despite all this talk of the game being in beta state, this is a release version.See, it's this slave mentality that pushes you to meekly ask service providers "sir, can I please have some more?" after they've ripped you off, that allows businesses in general to adopt extreme anti-consumer measures and policies and generally shit all over their customer base. Because there's no shortage of useful idiots willing to turn the other cheek, or talk down to fellow customers who, perish the thought, demand that whoever's responsible for this mess unfuck themselves posthaste, fix the problems and most importantly, stop giving us the corporate-speak line du jour. But hey, don't let me get in the way of your corporate idol worship -- go enjoy the shitfest you've paid for.
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Post by dustin1280 on Apr 20, 2017 14:53:47 GMT
I have a been a BNS lurker for some time, but I finally made an account.
At this point I have 5 million credits saved up and everything but N7 items maxed.
Right now the ONLY thing keeping me going is leveling the remaining classes to 20.
I am hoping by the time I finish leveling all classes to 20 (i have maybe 10 left or so) that someone will have happened in this game to fix the balance.
Right now Vanquisher (or inferno if you have it high) is the god king of weapons and nothing else really compares.
Sure we have some GOOD weapons like equalizer, hurricane, raptor, piranha, falcon, etc... But the balance is out the window and powers are (mostly) useless when compared to specific guns/melee.
I am HOPING that bioware finally get's off it's ass and starts fixing MP so it can be like the glory days of ME3 MP.
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Post by FluffyCannibal on Apr 20, 2017 14:54:41 GMT
Yes, BioWare could be sitting on their asses doing nothing, because people are playing the game regardless and who gives a shit about the integrity of their product when they don't have to, amirite? OR, they could be working on a whole heap of balance changes and holding out on releasing them until they're sure it's ready. And personally, I would rather put up with the current shitfest for a couple more weeks and then get an actually superior version, than push BioWare into releasing fixes now and end up with an even buggier mess. Now please continue with your inane circlejerk about how BioVer is teh worsest companie evur. While this is a valiant white knight attempt, the issue is that ME3 had weekly balance changes and even those took months to make most things balanced. Now we have less than half that amount of support and you think that changing everything at once will actually fix more than it breaks? I'm curious but what evidence do you have to support such logic? Blind faith? A Bioware fanboy card? At some point you need to realize that the problems exist because Bioware didn't do the right things, like having a MP beta before release, or slowly releasing content so that such changes could be managed more easily. None whatsoever, as evidenced by the word could. I know that BioWare fucked up (well, I actually blame EA mostly). I know that we shouldn't be going through this. But I'm choosing to be calmly optimistic, instead of stressing myself out, ranting at other players about how a group of people who aren't even here have fucked us over.
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Post by FluffyCannibal on Apr 20, 2017 14:57:36 GMT
And personally, I would rather put up with the current shitfest for a couple more weeks and then get an actually superior version, than push BioWare into releasing fixes now and end up with an even buggier mess. Yeah... or you could, you know, think for a fucking second and realize that you don't have to put up with this shitfest *at all*, because despite all this talk of the game being in beta state, this is a release version.See, it's this slave mentality that pushes you to meekly ask service providers "sir, can I please have some more?" after they've ripped you off, that allows businesses in general to adopt extreme anti-consumer measures and policies and generally shit all over their customer base. Because there's no shortage of useful idiots willing to turn the other cheek, or talk down to fellow customers who, perish the thought, demand that whoever's responsible for this mess unfuck themselves posthaste, fix the problems and most importantly, stop giving us the corporate-speak line du jour. But hey, don't let me get in the way of your corporate idol worship -- go enjoy the shitfest you've paid for. Lol. I know that we shouldn't have to put up this. Shit, have you even seen my signature? I never said that we did. I'm just choosing optimism over raging on the internet. So you can take your "slave" insult and fuck off.
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Post by Kazu on Apr 20, 2017 15:00:14 GMT
While this is a valiant white knight attempt, the issue is that ME3 had weekly balance changes and even those took months to make most things balanced. Now we have less than half that amount of support and you think that changing everything at once will actually fix more than it breaks? I'm curious but what evidence do you have to support such logic? Blind faith? A Bioware fanboy card? At some point you need to realize that the problems exist because Bioware didn't do the right things, like having a MP beta before release, or slowly releasing content so that such changes could be managed more easily. None whatsoever, as evidenced by the word could. I know that BioWare fucked up (well, I actually blame EA mostly). I know that we shouldn't be going through this. But I'm choosing to be calmly optimistic, instead of stressing myself out, ranting at other players about how a group of people who aren't even here have fucked us over. You should try it sometime, it's fun. Even more with a tinfoil hat.
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Post by Debaser on Apr 20, 2017 15:00:29 GMT
Disappointing they will not at least discuss balance changes they have planned, but I wasn't expecting a patch until May anyways (when the additional deluxe edition rewards are planned to be added). Also isn't a kit/weapon coming out today? Data miners hinted at Reegar/Turian right? I hope the Reegar doesn't suffer the same fate as the Carnifex/Mattock did if that is the case.
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Post by someN7orother on Apr 20, 2017 15:11:33 GMT
Lol. I know that we shouldn't have to put up this. Shit, have you even seen my signature? I never said that we did. I'm just choosing optimism over raging on the internet. So you can take your "slave" insult and fuck off. Oh, you're not raging? Could have fooled me, because I could have sworn that you were raging pretty hard -- only against the wrong people. And you didn't say that we have to put up with this shit... but you're making a conscious choice to do so nonetheless, because optimism, unicorns, and the candy house at the end of Gingerbread Street. Gotcha. I'll take my slave insult and fuck off when you take your lame ass holier-than-thou act and do the same, shit for brains. And look up Stockholm Syndrome and the sunk cost fallacy while you are at it.
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Post by FluffyCannibal on Apr 20, 2017 15:20:45 GMT
Lol. I know that we shouldn't have to put up this. Shit, have you even seen my signature? I never said that we did. I'm just choosing optimism over raging on the internet. So you can take your "slave" insult and fuck off. Oh, you're not raging? Could have fooled me, because I could have sworn that you were raging pretty hard -- only against the wrong people. And you didn't say that we have to put up with this shit... but you're making a conscious choice to do so nonetheless, because optimism, unicorns, and the candy house at the end of Gingerbread Street. Gotcha. I'll take my slave insult and fuck off when you take your lame ass holier-than-thou act and do the same, shit for brains. And look up Stockholm Syndrome and the sunk cost fallacy while you are at it. Holier than thou? Get a fucking grip love, I'm not the one telling other people that they're a weak-minded idiot whose opinions are wrong. And, yeah, I am making a conscious decision to chill out for a couple more weeks. If BioWare and their corporate overlords start making future announcements that don't include a balancing forecast, then I'm going to start raging at every poor fucker who has both social media and a connection to BioWare...or anywhere in Canada for that matter. But in the meantime? What good is shit-slinging on uBSN gonna do, exactly?
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Post by JRandall0308 on Apr 20, 2017 15:22:57 GMT
Calm down everyone.
Go shoot some Kett or something.
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Post by nucleartech76 on Apr 20, 2017 15:28:08 GMT
I'm not trying to pick a fight but if you're pissed off at all the negativity from fans and you came into this thread then you're a fucking idiot or you're looking to troll.
It's just annoying when someone says "I'm tired of all the bitching" and then goes into a thread that's obviously a shitstorm. If you don't want to hear the negativity or complaining log the fuck off BSN BC people actually care about this franchise a hell of a lot more than the incompetent developers they are in charge of this shitshow now. Maybe you'll save yourself from a MI or TIA in the process.
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Post by megabeast37215 on Apr 20, 2017 15:34:29 GMT
I'm not trying to pick a fight but if you're pissed off at all the negativity from fans and you came into this thread then you're a fucking idiot or you're looking to troll. It's just annoying when someone says "I'm tired of all the bitching" and then goes into a thread that's obviously a shitstorm. If you don't want to hear the negativity or complaining log the fuck off BSN BC people actually care about this franchise a hell of a lot more than the incompetent developers they are in charge of this shitshow now. Maybe you'll save yourself from a MI or TIA in the process. Preach it brother!
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 20, 2017 15:36:23 GMT
The problem is: uBSN is not the playerbase at all. We're the top 10% of players most game developers never give any shit about. I'd bet 80% of all MEAMP-Players are still playing mostly bronze with the occasional silver. BW see their figures and gives them new content first. Not gonna change. I am that 80%, and do you know why? Because the 10% bawl so loud, it makes me afraid to start gold and to come out looking like a 'silly noob who tries gold'. I don't think the toxic gold players realise they themselves contribute to the overall bad gold community. I didn't get bitten when I tried gold - I'm pretty sure you'll be safe to try, too.
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Post by kpeter on Apr 20, 2017 15:41:43 GMT
So how many hours until this stream starts?
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Post by Matterthief on Apr 20, 2017 15:45:17 GMT
So how many hours until this stream starts? An hour and 15 minutes.
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Post by SalMasRac on Apr 20, 2017 15:46:57 GMT
Agreed but sadly, there's a lot of blame to go around here. We, players, are guilty too. Including myself. I knew the only way to stop publishers to churn out broken, unfinished, unbalanced turds is to never preorder and always wait for reviews from trusted sources. But I did preorder MEA bc I thought Bioware is a guarantee of quality. Bottom line is the lessons are being learned, the question is if we're ever gonna run out of lessons. Oh, of course . And I'm possibly guiltier than you, because not only did I preorder, I preordered the Ultra Plus Mega Deluxe version With Bells And Whistles, and I'm old enough to remember. I remember SWTOR, but I also remember Bullfrog, Origin Systems, Maxis, and especially Westwood. And I still caved in and convinced myself that "this time it would be different". So forgive me if I'm not completely convinced that lessons are being learned. They certainly aren't if I look at my purchasing history... sigh.
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Post by derrame on Apr 20, 2017 15:54:35 GMT
fix? there is nothing to fix
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