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Post by Beerfish on Apr 22, 2017 17:54:42 GMT
There I said it. In this game enemies mob you from all sides, do they stun lock as long as me3mp? No but they cancel your animations over and over again. Recent Kett game we are trying to do the hack zone and two dogs get in the zone. (Can't kill one with one clip) Try and reload and bump! try again bump! try again bump! Other recent game 20 seconds left moving to ezone way is blocked by two krogans and a mess of others. Pull out the missile launcher, stagger! Try and bring it up again, stagger! Stagger! stagger! I know, I know, git gud, l2p, whine whine whine bitch bitch bitch.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Apr 22, 2017 17:59:14 GMT
*coughs*
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 22, 2017 18:09:48 GMT
Yeah stuff like 2 dogs chaining grabs on you and double berserkers spammning flak cannon with no cooldown is another of the fun and interactive parts of this game. Didn't they turn down geth stunlock in me3 because people hated it so much? I guess they forgot about that when designing this game.
They could have given the berserker an actual dangerous alternate shorter range fire mode, like you know having them actually shoot their shotgun that they never use between flak spam, or only flakking from far away then using the shotgun up close or something. But no, need moar flak spam.Really enjoyable especailly with the reloading in this game that takes 5 seconds and gets interrupted if an enemy looks at you funny.
It's not a huge issue but it's just kind of annoying how uncreative the berserker design is. They aren't even dangerous, the flak cannon will rarely kill you, it's just a troll attack. I'd prefer if they trolled less and actually had a chance of killing you with some sort of alt fire instead.
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Post by bacon4breakfast on Apr 22, 2017 18:14:03 GMT
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 22, 2017 18:15:46 GMT
Ah yes the trollectors. We have dismissed that claim.
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Post by IDieOnWaveBleh on Apr 22, 2017 18:20:36 GMT
I much prefer getting staggered for 5 seconds and living afterwards than receiving the Geth Hunter's elbow in my face and having to gel after.
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Post by Beerfish on Apr 22, 2017 18:21:56 GMT
Easier to deal with these big high priority targets than what we have now. Duck behind cover, pop out and eventually take them down vs, 'enemies everywhere!' from all directions knocking you out of cover with each shot.
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Post by bacon4breakfast on Apr 22, 2017 18:24:22 GMT
I like collectors for the most part, but the scion ministun is worse than everything else IIRC. Plus it hits you around corners unless you are in hard cover and even then that is not fullproof.
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Post by akots on Apr 22, 2017 18:39:15 GMT
Now, Beerfish is a very stoic guy. So, if he is complaining about something it means there is a real issue here.
Fluid gameplay according to developers means you cannot stop running. The moment you do, you get stunlocked. They still do little damage, it is just annoying in a bad sense, not really dangerous unless you are completely in the open.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Apr 22, 2017 18:42:06 GMT
Nope. Not even close.
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Post by tatsumaki on Apr 22, 2017 18:43:36 GMT
We need stagger proof kits again *hint hint* Biower pls!
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Post by physiolosopher on Apr 22, 2017 19:50:27 GMT
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Post by gethadept on Apr 22, 2017 19:51:27 GMT
Blame patch 1.05 ..and I expect future patches to make it worse.
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Post by capn233 on Apr 22, 2017 21:48:01 GMT
I actually completely agree with OP. I find it somewhat frustrating when you add it in with the fact that you can't cancel your own animations to cut down on the time.
One of my friends has just taken to nuking dual Berserkers on gold, just like the old "always nuke double primes" philosophy of the olden days. I really wish my Havoc had unlimited power cells for her flak cannon.
Also it seems like we lost a lot of ability to inflict reliable hit reactions on the enemies when compared to ME3. Sure, Sniper Rifles as a class seem to have decent hit reactions (what a shock, dev favorite like Liara apparently) but a lot of other crap is mediocre.
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Post by SalMasRac on Apr 22, 2017 21:56:26 GMT
Blame patch 1.05 ..and I expect future patches to make it worse. This here. Prior to 1.05, you could at least Melee as a last resort. Now even THAT gets interrupted.
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Post by hardcoresalmon on Apr 22, 2017 21:59:27 GMT
This is only really an issue when you are trying to reload. It's extremely annoying sometimes but it was nowhere near as bad as it was in ME3 playing as a batarian or a krogan before they patched it. Primes and hunters would completely stagger lock you even while you were running.
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Post by acicm2 on Apr 22, 2017 22:04:32 GMT
stunlock?
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Post by Upggrade on Apr 22, 2017 22:04:51 GMT
Dude, where's the trigger warning? Not cool.
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Post by 3rdpig on Apr 22, 2017 22:10:18 GMT
Rule 1. Don't take control away from the player.
Why is this so hard for developers to understand?
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Post by nucleartech76 on Apr 22, 2017 22:51:22 GMT
There I said it. In this game enemies mob you from all sides, do they stun lock as long as me3mp? No but they cancel your animations over and over again. Recent Kett game we are trying to do the hack zone and two dogs get in the zone. (Can't kill one with one clip) Try and reload and bump! try again bump! try again bump! Other recent game 20 seconds left moving to ezone way is blocked by two krogans and a mess of others. Pull out the missile launcher, stagger! Try and bring it up again, stagger! Stagger! stagger! I know, I know, git gud, l2p, whine whine whine bitch bitch bitch. Lolololololololololol. Says the man that wanted no reload cancelling. Well guess what, they've canceled your reloading entirely now. You can rejoice in your success.
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Post by christsuperstar on Apr 22, 2017 22:59:33 GMT
I'm still so very baffled, and pissed, they panicked and fucked melee (and everyone else by proxy) with auto stagger, because something actually did damage with juggs shields, compared to pre vanquisher-is-standard guns AND STILL DID NOT FIX THE FUCKING BUGS, WEAPONS, COMBOS AND POWERS! Their competence is questionable at best. The fix is even very simple;
1. Undo autostagger, fix non working mods and worst bugs. 2. Buff all ARs and shotguns. Like 100%+ in some cases. 3. Increase fire rate and/or damage on (some) pistols. 4. Increase power and combo damage. Scale combo with difficulty. 5. Spawn more red mobs mostly, and possibly a new alternative type to offset higher damage from players. 6. Now, when this is done start fixing outright broken weapons/kits and maybe be more creative with new kits/weapons instead of copy pasta mixing.... 7. Remove tech construct damage og have it run over tech power - and please, make pets do actual damage and have health scale to difficulty. 8. ??? 9. Profit
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Post by SalMasRac on Apr 22, 2017 23:28:20 GMT
I'm still so very baffled, and pissed, they panicked and fucked melee (and everyone else by proxy) with auto stagger, because something actually did damage with juggs shields, compared to pre vanquisher-is-standard guns AND STILL DID NOT FIX THE FUCKING BUGS, WEAPONS, COMBOS AND POWERS! Their competence is questionable at best. The fix is even very simple; 1. Undo autostagger, fix non working mods and worst bugs. 2. Buff all ARs and shotguns. Like 100%+ in some cases. 3. Increase fire rate and/or damage on (some) pistols. 4. Increase power and combo damage. Scale combo with difficulty. 5. Spawn more red mobs mostly, and possibly a new alternative type to offset higher damage from players. 6. Now, when this is done start fixing outright broken weapons/kits and maybe be more creative with new kits/weapons instead of copy pasta mixing.... 7. Remove tech construct damage og have it run over tech power - and please, make pets do actual damage and have health scale to difficulty. 8. ??? 9. Profit You're expecting too much from a AAA game
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Post by riotinducer on Apr 23, 2017 6:01:08 GMT
I'll be honest, half the time it feels like my own damn reload animations are interrupting me more than the enemies.
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Post by Kazu on Apr 23, 2017 9:44:34 GMT
Blame patch 1.05 ..and I expect future patches to make it worse. This here. Prior to 1.05, you could at least Melee as a last resort. Now even THAT gets interrupted. Patch 1.06 - When being staggered there is a chance you lose reserve amunition - When being staggered there is a chance your shield instantly drops - Vanquisher felt too powerful. It has been removed from everbodies Manifest and will be readded as ultra rare at a later date. - When beeing staggered there is a chance yuo lose credits. - Attempt to fix crashing issue.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 9:53:41 GMT
Dragoons, Hunters and Geth Primes are much worse. Marauders also just lump you with their legendary people elbow and gun you down the next second.
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