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Post by gethadept on Apr 23, 2017 3:06:16 GMT
Lvl 10 Human Vanguard is clearly superior to Lvl 20 Krogan Vanguard in just about every aspect. Why did I waste so much time trying to play Krogan Vanguard first?I will never touch Krogan Vanguard again.. unless I want to give myself a small handicap. JFYI these are where Human Vanguards excel over a Krogan Vanguard - Mobility (Huge in this game)
- Survivability (Thx to better mobility & almost doubling shield)
- Melee (Faster + draining melee = less stagger = better damage = better survivability)
- Team Synergy (All 3 powers are amazing. Biotic/Tech detonator tank covering entire map)
- Crowd Control (Thx to powers. Combined with mobility these help doing objectives 10 times more than squishy baby Kroguard trying to aggro enemy attacks)
I know some people will tell me to L2P Kroguard... but I have 2959573 xp accumulated on him and usually score top 2 and dies less than once a game. Human Vanguard is just better... I feel really wasted right now.
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Post by Parachroma on Apr 23, 2017 3:15:15 GMT
I agree. The only other Charge-based character that comes close is the Asari Duelist. Both have their advantages/disadvantages. I really like the Human Vanguard though.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 23, 2017 3:26:08 GMT
L2Kroguard
But seriously, Human vanguard is my 'main'. I havent messed with the kroguard much (one match) but Im curious, what rank do you have the humie vs the kroguard? For instance, my human is X whereas my kroguard is just 3. Just wondering if that plays in to the feels you have or not?
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Post by gethadept on Apr 23, 2017 3:31:39 GMT
L2Kroguard But seriously, Human vanguard is my 'main'. I havent messed with the kroguard much (one match) but Im curious, what rank do you have the humie vs the kroguard? For instance, my human is X whereas my kroguard is just 3. Just wondering if that plays in to the feels you have or not? Both at X. Human Vanguard is simply superior for everything i do in this game at least. Even consumables r better used with human vanguards in my case haha
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 23, 2017 3:34:23 GMT
L2Kroguard But seriously, Human vanguard is my 'main'. I havent messed with the kroguard much (one match) but Im curious, what rank do you have the humie vs the kroguard? For instance, my human is X whereas my kroguard is just 3. Just wondering if that plays in to the feels you have or not? Both at X. Human Vanguard is simply superior for everything i do in this game at least. Even consumables r better used with human vanguards in my case haha I understand. I tend to be an aggressive (even little reckless) player (much like real life lol) so the huguard fits me. Not gonna lie though, I do wish that charge recharged just a hair faster. Sometimes that one or two seconds is enough to kills me. Good thing I got five rez packs. I even colored mine like superman colors cause you know, jump and charge looks very superman ish.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 23, 2017 3:40:20 GMT
Both at X. Human Vanguard is simply superior for everything i do in this game at least. Even consumables r better used with human vanguards in my case haha I understand. I tend to be an aggressive (even little reckless) player (much like real life lol) so the huguard fits me. Not gonna lie though, I do wish that charge recharged just a hair faster. Sometimes that one or two seconds is enough to kills me. Good thing I got five rez packs. I even colored mine like superman colors cause you know, jump and charge looks very superman ish. I am literally impressed with human vanguard. so good at what the kit is supposed to do. most likely because human vanguards had least change from their me3 counterparts. on top of that they have the notorious vanguard glitch removed. lol
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Post by Parachroma on Apr 23, 2017 3:43:08 GMT
Both at X. Human Vanguard is simply superior for everything i do in this game at least. Even consumables r better used with human vanguards in my case haha I understand. I tend to be an aggressive (even little reckless) player (much like real life lol) so the huguard fits me. Not gonna lie though, I do wish that charge recharged just a hair faster. Sometimes that one or two seconds is enough to kills me. Good thing I got five rez packs. I even colored mine like superman colors cause you know, jump and charge looks very superman ish. I use the Piranha with the HV. That's it. Very handy. I don't melee with him/her much. Unless I get into a situation where I'm flanked on all sides, he/she is hard to kill. Was playing the Asari Duelist tonight...a simple sidearm will do for certain situations where a gun might be handy. Melee is strong with that one, and you won't take damage from the moment you charge until after your melee completes its animation. She's pretty sweet. The downside is her other 2 powers aren't worth a dang.
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Post by PATPATPATlol on Apr 23, 2017 3:52:43 GMT
Human vanguard is probably the better choice. He/she has more mobility than the krogan. I will say though now that my krogan vanguard is leveled up a bit higher now he's starting to be more manageable. His melee damage output is still a joke though and other than his slow movement I'd say that's his biggest flaw. Kroguard in ME3 is far supiorer.
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Post by Darks1te on Apr 23, 2017 5:05:37 GMT
I know some people will tell me to L2P Kroguard... but I have 2959573 xp accumulated on him and usually score top 2 and dies less than once a game. Human Vanguard is just better... I feel really wasted right now. I usually score top 1 and never dies as kroguard. FIGHT ME!
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Post by gethadept on Apr 23, 2017 6:01:19 GMT
I know some people will tell me to L2P Kroguard... but I have 2959573 xp accumulated on him and usually score top 2 and dies less than once a game. Human Vanguard is just better... I feel really wasted right now. I usually score top 1 and never dies as kroguard. FIGHT ME! You are good.
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Post by ramsen on Apr 23, 2017 7:21:30 GMT
From my experience Piranha Kroguard is the best Vanguard, especially at boss killing. The other Vanguards cannot tank as well while having full weapon bonuses. Kroguard can also reach 35% accuracy which can help with headshots a bit. I still use melee but it's not the main source of damage. If you get mobility (4b) in fortify speed is not an issue, otherwise I'd rather be without fortify all together. I'd actually rank Human as the worst Vanguard, but they are all good.
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Post by Paynezz on Apr 23, 2017 7:23:48 GMT
whats the build with human vanguard anyway? I was thinking about levelling it up to 20 next
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Post by gethadept on Apr 23, 2017 7:29:27 GMT
From my experience Piranha Kroguard is the best Vanguard, especially at boss killing. The other Vanguards cannot tank as well while having full weapon bonuses. Kroguard can also reach 35% accuracy which can help with headshots a bit. I still use melee but it's not the main source of damage. If you get mobility (4b) in fortify speed is not an issue, otherwise I'd rather be without fortify all together. I'd actually rank Human as the worst Vanguard, but they are all good. Understandable. So u r saying Piranha is good. But the game is still in its early stage and most ppl won't get to even see a fascinating Piranha wielding Kroguard.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 23, 2017 7:31:34 GMT
whats the build with human vanguard anyway? I was thinking about levelling it up to 20 next I am gonna skip shockwave evos but for now simply enjoying 100% shield charge + barrier based evo. Eventually gonna get priming nova, but once u have 61116 done human vanguard is good to go with juggernaut shield alone. not much to think about for my play style. charge > nova > shockwave > melee and melee healing & saving barrier mostly got u covered until u can repeat the process. if u utilize the jet pack well, can aggro enemies way more effective than kroguard for the team.
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Apr 23, 2017 7:51:48 GMT
My Human Vanguard is 6/6/6/6/1 with focus on power damage. Take that, BSN!
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 23, 2017 8:40:14 GMT
Saving Barrier, Barrier Drain, and better mobility make the Human Vanguard superior. If Kroguard had access to Barrier, I'd give the nod to Kroguard because Barrier + Fortify would be Godly.
But as it stands, Human Vanguard and Asari Duelist are the best Vanguards because of access to Barrier (Saving Barrier and Barrier Drain).
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Post by physiolosopher on Apr 23, 2017 8:47:19 GMT
Saving Barrier and better mobility make the Human Vanguard superior. If Kroguard had access to Saving Barrier, I'd give the nod to Kroguard because Barrier + Fortify would be Godly. But as it stands, Human Vanguard and Asari Duelist are the best Vanguards because of access to Saving Barrier. Who knew converting barrier from an active power to a passive one would actually hurt someone? PLEASE TAKE NOVA BACK BOOWARES!
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Apr 23, 2017 9:27:54 GMT
Uhh, yeah, I mean "doh", is what I first thought when I looked at my humanguard skilltree which also started on rank X thanks to basic packs, compared to what I got on my kroguard at rank I... Mobility reduction? Wtf? And why would you not want shield restoration on melee hits? Human vanguard is so broken, all you need is just jugger shield and you can carry gold matches just with punching things. I still can't find a reason why would I want to play kroguard and be restricted with reduced mobility and rage mechanic.
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Post by neightrix on Apr 23, 2017 9:54:25 GMT
Human is very good and fun to play, easier to melee as it had been pointed out. Kroguard seems better going in with a Talon or a shotgun, and using Fortify to stun all enemies around when necessary (instead of Nova which doesn't CC any shielded or armored enemies).
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