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Post by N7Pathfinder on May 1, 2017 20:06:53 GMT
As a homework assignment for my Media Business class, I needed to write a paper covering basic information about a particular company in the entertainment industry. The company I got was Electronic Arts, specifically its subdivision EA Sports. I will have to admit, while researching this company, I found that they have created a lot of good content over the years as well as fairly recently. Battlefield 1 was the biggest Battlefield launch since forever, and Fifa 17 was the top selling console title of 2016.
So...how come whenever I'm in a forum or in the Youtube comments, all I see is hatred towards it? I mean, these guys were responsible for the distribution of the Mass Effect franchise, which I really love, so why all the negativity towards this company?
I can't speak for everyone, but in my opinion a lot of it has to do with their business strategies. I think a lot of people are annoyed that rather than creating new titles, EA seems to desperately focus on cashing in on the current successful stuff, telling their developers to just churn out rather overpriced DLC content or an even more overpriced Season Pass. This I think gave people the impression that EA seemed more focus on the money making and less on the gamers themselves.
This thinking is slightly highlighted when considering the Mass Effect games and the various complaints on ME3's storyline and to a lesser extent Andromeda's animations, with many people blaming EA's push to get the game out quickly to make profit as a reason for distracting low quality of ME3's ending or the awkwardness of Andromeda's animations.
I may be completely wrong, so what do you guys think? And could you please make your arguments in a mature, un-biased, and informative manner? I don't want this thread to turn into a slander flame war.
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Post by Beerfish on May 1, 2017 20:11:51 GMT
They have a history of buying up previously quality developers and then either dumping them the moment things get rocky or over time changing the games to the point that the game suffers. As for their highly successful sports franchises, I have bought one or two but it seems they come out with new versions each year ad a bit of content and charge as if the game has been worked on for years.
Recently they have done some things that I am sure their marketing info says is the right thing to do but which actually pisses off some of their fan base. (Getting rid of fan forums, marketing blackouts for years then a massive over load the last month.)
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 1, 2017 22:19:57 GMT
They make stupid sports games which I don't think should exist. That is why I don't like them.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 23:47:07 GMT
EA killed the Old Bioware, that's why I dislike them.
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Post by mattig89ch on May 2, 2017 1:11:57 GMT
Taking very awesome old games, and turning them into modern generic shooters. Forcing micro transactions into games that don't need them. Sending games out the door, that still need more time to work out the bugs. Day 1 DLC. DLC that splits the gaming community.
I'm not saying they haven't produced some great games. But what they've become, compared to what they started as. Thats why they get all the hate.
^That was in 2012.
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Post by House Targaryen on May 2, 2017 3:51:38 GMT
They assimilate good game companies and either destroy them (Westwood) or turn them into garbage (Bioware).
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 4:10:02 GMT
They assimilate good game companies (Maxus) and either destroy them (Westwood) or turn them into garbage (Bioware). I've fixed it for you.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 2, 2017 4:27:26 GMT
They make stupid sports games which I don't think should exist. That is why I don't like them. FIFA 14 was better than Mass Effect 3. If anyone thinks otherwise, come at me bruh.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 2, 2017 4:33:24 GMT
They make stupid sports games which I don't think should exist. That is why I don't like them. FIFA 14 was better than Mass Effect 3. If anyone thinks otherwise, come at me bruh. Borderlands 2 was better then FIFA 14, and it was made a year before it.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 2, 2017 5:26:53 GMT
FIFA 14 was better than Mass Effect 3. If anyone thinks otherwise, come at me bruh. Borderlands 2 was better then FIFA 14, and it was made a year before it.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 2, 2017 5:34:06 GMT
Borderlands 2 was better then FIFA 14, and it was made a year before it. I am on my ipad, so I am too lazy to post an image atm. Tomorrow though, the war is on!
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Post by MrR40 on May 2, 2017 5:43:12 GMT
FIFA 14 was better than Mass Effect 3. If anyone thinks otherwise, come at me bruh. Borderlands 2 was better then FIFA 14, and it was made a year before it. Pong was better than any FIFA game, and it was made it in 1972. At least in Pong you have realistic ' goalkeeping ' . But on topic, I concur with the consensus in this thread that EA buys up companies to ride on their game coattails until it unravels and tears; mangling it for it every last cent it can get them. There have been analogies to describe EA's business model including but not limited to rape, slavery and prostitution. I suppose from a business point of view the model is an acceptable one, buy up a successful company, reorganize, reduce costs and maximize profit.
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Post by LightningPoodle on May 2, 2017 6:06:55 GMT
I think it largely falls down to how the internet turns people into sheep. One person hates EA and shouts about it, and suddenly more and more people start hating EA for those reasons. Like, yes, you might share those opinions but you have also been told that opinion without really having a prior one beforehand. Think back to it. Before the hatred, what was your own opinion on EA? Gamers are an impressionable people, especially today when you have every YouTuber and their mother spouting the same opinions just to get more views and more money.
EA isn't a bad company. It has a bad business model that very loosely takes into consideration what the fans want, but it also makes them a shit-load of money which allows them to continue to make games.
As for the studios they buy and then breakdown, you must remember that those studios signed the contract. They needed more money and a publisher, they went to EA, they made the game(s) and eventually, they stopped generating money for EA. It's no different to some of the other massive companies of the world buying and breaking down smaller companies or products. Gamers think that EA is the devil because it does this, but are you aware that car companies do this. Soda and Sweet companies do this. All the big brands you know and love have or will eventually do this so don't act like EA is some kind of monster for doing this. It's just business. That's the way the business world works.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on May 2, 2017 7:17:35 GMT
Because they ruin everything they touch.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 8:14:33 GMT
The last thing already happened to poor Bioware...
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Post by ScumbagShepurd on May 2, 2017 8:52:41 GMT
EA killed my puppy thats why I dislike them.
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Post by lapdogs on May 2, 2017 10:20:11 GMT
Because they ruin everything they touch. This... They have a reputation for having too much influence over devs, stifling creativity and pushing out unfinished product *cough* Andromeda. Hurts us all. There is also an expectation (from me anyway) that once a games company becomes that large, the priorities shift from art to processes and I don't think that's healthy for good game design. I don't hate EA but I hate their servers and their code. The fact they are beholden to shareholders and investors doesn't thrill me as they won't let EA invest in better servers and infrastructure.
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Post by cribbian on May 2, 2017 10:23:43 GMT
Sure,Riccitiello is not with EA anymore but it's not like they've changed much since then.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 11:11:01 GMT
While I don't want to jump on the hate train--not everything they do is bad--there's a lot of issues with them.
- as has been mentioned, buying quality devs and either killing them or transforming them beyond recognition, that's really bad - aggressive cashing in with lots of expensive DLC (Javik being day 1 DLC instead of a central part of ME3 comes to mind) - making everything online multiplayer while failing to make it work (most notoriously, Sim City) - a tendency to make everything more like Gears of War or Call of Duty (sometimes I wonder if it was an ingenious display of self-parody to turn Plants vs. Zombies into a 3rd person shooter). They seem to put pressure on devs to aim for as big a target audience as possible. - forcing timeframes on devs that badly impact quality
They're also extremely hated by a subgroup of PC players who claim that it is unacceptable to not sell something on Steam and won't buy anything on Origin out of principle.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 13:13:08 GMT
For me its more of a publisher thing than exclusively EA.
Ubisoft - Is recreating the same game in different worlds, and expect you to pay for horrible bug ridden messes. Activision - One note on the same franchise over and over, actually have 3 studios devoted to Call of Duty and nothing else. Square Enix - Actually publish good games, but then they go and do like they did with Deus Ex Mankind Divided. Electronic Arts - Known for shutting down studios which doesn't earn them the amount of dough that investors want.
There is a disconnect between the Investors/publisher and the developers/fans. Most people that are in the AAA industry want to produce great games, but they are limited to what they can say and do.
I don't hate EA by the way, i don't have the energy to hate. However i dislike them and their practices, but it is not exclusive to them as far as the AAA industry go. The whole thing is rotten to the core.
As i've said before, a part of me wish that Bioware would shut down, and the talented devs would start their own studio and crowd fund. They could do exactly what they wanted and people would throw money at them!
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Post by ToLazy4Name on May 2, 2017 13:32:37 GMT
because they suck
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Post by cheeseandonion on May 2, 2017 13:50:07 GMT
They make stupid sports games which I don't think should exist. That is why I don't like them. Fifa 10 World cup is GOAT
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Post by o Ventus on May 2, 2017 15:07:54 GMT
They make stupid sports games which I don't think should exist. That is why I don't like them. FIFA 14 was better than Mass Effect 3. If anyone thinks otherwise, come at me bruh. That's like saying that AIDS is better than cancer, because at least you can live with AIDS.
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